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Title: Hellboy Review
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 09 September, 2004, 01:33:42 PM
 In the Spectator of 4 September, Mark Steyn does quite a good review of Hellboy. You can read the whole thing on the link below.
  He says
  When popular culture gets more arty, it often gets more self-referential: that's what happened in musicals and westerns, and my sense is that it's happened in comic books, too. The folks who created Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Captain America just got on with it. Sixty years later, it all seems to have a hard time crawling out under the weight of everything that's gone before. On the page, you can get away with it. But once you put it up on the big screen it can easily seem tired and formulaic
   I think he has a point here. However, he likes the movie because Perlman is perfect and
- way it understands that you can have energy in the stillest moments – like Hellboy and some nine-year old kid he's bumped into on the roof of a building, just sitting yakking about stuff,
  here again he has a point - I liked that scene. He also likes the female lead and the movie`s pace. I loathe Steyn`s politics but when he`s in good form, his movie reviews are terrific

Link: A pretty funny read

Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Art on 09 September, 2004, 03:49:10 PM
I read a reviewin, I think, The Times that basicly went the lines of "This is genre shit, I actyually found it suprisingly enjoyable but still genre shit, so one star out of five".
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Generally Contrary on 09 September, 2004, 03:55:01 PM
Gahh!  I wish you hadn't pointed me in the direction of Mark Steyn.  I'm now so angry...
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: GordonR on 09 September, 2004, 03:55:50 PM
I saw it last night.  Liked it, with the following exceptions -

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- blimey, you didn't half get sick of those demon hound things.  By the time they came on for their third fight with Hellboy, it was "haven't we done all this already?"

- Liz was a bit crap, wasn't she?

- the end was pretty anti-climactic.  And Men In Black already did the 'getting swallowed by the monster and blowing it up from inside' thing.  Oh yeah, and why didn't the bad guys kill Mayers instead of chaining him up so he could help Hellboy at the vital moment?

Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Woolly on 09 September, 2004, 05:01:18 PM
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...that scene fairly near the end when Hellboy and that government bloke who doesnt like Hellboy are both stuck on the bridge thats falling to bits. The editing is absolutely dire, (see how long it takes for the sliding door to close), and then suddenly the government bloke thinks Hellboy is great and calls him 'son', or something like that. Incredibly poor film-making and character sub-plot.

Thats not the only scene that pissed me off, but its the one i hate the most!

Essentially though, the film is still great fun, so please dont let a miserable whiner like me put you off seeing it!

Wul
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Mr D on 09 September, 2004, 05:55:14 PM
That scene stank with Hellboy's floating over the collapsing bridge and the stupid amount of time it took the door to close.
I thought that the guy seeing Hellboy actually DO SOMETHING and save him directly changerd his mind, at least in the short term, because he's basically a selfish fella. It has to affect him for him to give a shit.

And I liked the 'What the hell are you doing to that thing?' cigar sequence actually!
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Art on 09 September, 2004, 05:56:14 PM
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Rasputins may have really cool looking mates and have the abiolity to mysteriously appear out of nowhere in a really creepy way, but his plan is totally unfocused.

"I will open the gates of hell! No I won?t, I'll unlease a plague of frog creatures, No, hang on, I'll open the gates of hell again! No, acually I'll die! Again!"

why didn't the bad guys kill Mayers instead of chaining him up so he could help Hellboy at the vital moment?

It's a Villain thing, we wouldn't understand.
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Art on 09 September, 2004, 06:00:31 PM
The good news: It did well enough in the states that there will be a Hellboy 2

The bad news: That means no Mountains of Madness

Also they've done occult nazis, cthulhu beasts and rasputin, so can't really use those elements agin till at lewast the 3rd film if they have any level of decency, so it'll have to be about a big mine full of cultists and child workers under an indian castle or something...
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Art on 09 September, 2004, 06:01:38 PM
Heh. Bloke from larry Sanders was total "Characterisation by casting".
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: GordonR on 09 September, 2004, 06:06:06 PM
Rasputin was really crap, wasn't he?  And what was the Nazis' original 1944 plan?  Unleash the Seven Gods of Chaos to destroy the world?

So much for the 1000 Year Reich idea...

I liked the cigar bit.  And Hellboy's line just before he dropped that huge cog on Nazi Clockwork Zombie.

"All for you, buddy."
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Mr D on 09 September, 2004, 06:09:01 PM
I thought that most of Hellboy's oneliners and gags were delivered perfectly. It really made me laugh!
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Art on 09 September, 2004, 06:11:02 PM
Ron Perlmans great. He deserves more than Beauty And The Beast, Alien 3 and a Stella Artois ad.
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Mr D on 09 September, 2004, 06:13:52 PM
He's got more hasn't he? He's done loads of work with the Batman cartoon series and was in Blade 2... Video and cartoon voices a plenty, Alien Resurrection...
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Art on 09 September, 2004, 06:17:29 PM
heh. Those don't really come to mind as career highlights either. He was great in City Of Lost Children, and his small but brilliant role in The Last Supper, and as the retard in The Naming Of The Rose.

Other lowlights: The Magnificent Seven TV series.
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Dunk! on 09 September, 2004, 06:18:00 PM
A Silent Satanic S&M Clockwork Contortionist Zombie Ninja Nazi Assassin.
 
Ticks all the boxes on my 'Qualities needed in a good bad guy' list.
 
It would be hard to push bad further.
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Mr D on 09 September, 2004, 06:22:44 PM
I agree, good that he's finally got a really appropriate role that's getting praise. Though I liked his Blade 2 role!

Del Toro again
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Art on 09 September, 2004, 06:28:15 PM
I recently saw The Devils Backbone again and it jumped up several notches  in my estimation (I think I was in a bad mood when I first say it). Chronos was  great, I?d completely forgotten Mimic existed until I IMDBed him just now... that one had some pretty cool moments despite ending up as a generic hollywood monster movie.
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Mr D on 09 September, 2004, 06:29:26 PM
The man is a blurry genius - I seriously rate him. Looking forward to Hellboy 2 just as much, as he's doing that as well!
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Keef Monkey on 09 September, 2004, 08:57:17 PM
Read somewhere recently that Del Toro put Perlman in Blade 2 to try and prove to the studios that he could look kick ass in an action movie. Paid off, I think he was fantastic as Hellboy. In fact there wasn't really much about the movie I didn't like. It had the best slide-based scene I've seen since the eighties when every film had to have one. Took me back to The Goonies so it did.
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: ESCUBRIA on 10 September, 2004, 01:17:06 AM
Del Toro still plans to make At the Mountains of Madness after the anticlimax of Hellboy 2.
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: chopper666 on 10 September, 2004, 05:48:12 AM
Rons performance in Hellboy was a mile better than playing Viceroy in Star Trek Nemesis. Hes an excellent actor who can really show his craft as in Name of the Rose, and I agree he needs a really big break, its about damn time.

RON FOR DREDD I TELLS YA RON FOR DREDD

Marc
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: chopper666 on 10 September, 2004, 05:49:35 AM
Saw the movie back in early June on a preview DVD sent by a friend and loved it, but its far better on the big screen and I for one think its one of the best comic to film movies since The Crow.

Marc
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Woolly on 10 September, 2004, 05:34:19 PM
DELTORO & PERLMAN FOR DREDD!!!!!
Title: Re: Hellboy Review
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 10 September, 2004, 09:36:07 PM
GC - I too get furious with Steyn`s non film stuff.

I too liked the bit where the Larry Sanders guy tells Hellboy how to light a cigar
 I did like the line about the Nazis having decided that the Seven Gods of Chaos would be more reliable allies than the Italians

yours about to finish watching the LOEG movie - how bad can it be?