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Well it seems whoever decided to vote for legend of the overfiend just to get the talking heads in the show to explain what they like about it may have won because while reading Stephs copy of heat it mentions in the preview for the show that said demon porn classic is in the list!

Thank you, members of the board, for stuffing the ballot.  Really.
Thank you all.

Now that might actually be watchable.

Suddenly, I'm looking forward to this show.

I don't know what Demon Porn Classic is.

However, I'm hoping The Cat Came Back might somehow be on the list.

ADE

i really like legend of the overfiend but i'm surprised it got in. i thought they would have been more likely to put something like akira in.

Is this the list that includes...wait for it...Shark Tale?

Watching this last night, I was quite struck by how hostile those interviewed were towards the people who voted Legend of the Overfiend into it.

They were hazarding guesses as to who may have voted:

"Someone who's overweight and spotty and works in a comic shops."

Oh dear.

Has there been some sort of Net campaign to get it onto the list? I have to wonder if the producers were in some way pissed off.

BTW: I've never seen LOTO.

- Trout

Ah, legend of the overfiend. One of those famous films that noones ever seen.

I think it hold the record for "most giant knob monsters in an animated film".

Ive only ever seen about 3 bits of Manga and Legend is actually one of them.  Terribly its romeo and juliet, with demons and humans.  That and Guyver put me off Manga.  The plot was hackneyed and terrible.....

Slips

Badmovies.org (see my links thread) seems to have the best handle on these things...

Review

Actually, those interviewed were completely clueless about anime in general, even Johnathan Clements - who writes the anime column for JD Megazine.  There was some bloke who was quoted on just about everything shown who didn't even know the plots.

As for Overfiend - this was back when Akira first broke the western market for anime.  Manga Entertainment were buying up any old crap and producing terrible english-language versions that played-up the swearing and completely changed the context and content of what characters were saying, leaving animated stories with a bit of potential as nothing more than childish and immature wank-fests that insulted the intelligence.  This practice persists to this day, sadly, and Manga Entertainment aren't the only culprits.
And don't get me started on how shite the translations of Japanese manga comics are - dire beyond belief, in some cases.

Any programme about 'cartoons' (WTF does that mean anyway?) that has interview subjects like Ziggy Marley (?!?!) clearly has no worth or intelligence behind it. Saw about 15 minutes of this, had no idea how it was voted for it (apparently it was in Time Out), and even less idea what the criteria was. Apparently it was film and television, but was dominated by American rubbish, as per usual.

I've seen LOTOF (am I the only one?) after I mistakenly won it from a film magazine. My friend, who saw it on some scud NTSC copy at uni said that we had to watch it, so a few of us gathered to watch it, and it was just off the wall. I had absolutely no idea what was going on, it was completly baffling, and just seemed to be about lesbian school-mistress multi-dick monsters attacking underage girls (the Japanese do seem to have a cultural obsession with schoolgirls, don't they?).

After 45 minutes we had to make him turn it off, since none of us could understand what in the name of Cliff Richard was going on, and it was also pretty repetitive and boring to boot.

Overfiend is a strange one.
I like it for the total assault it makes on the senses, but the storyline, what there is of it, is rubbish.

I couldn't watch that show last night, I ended up shouting at the 'experts' and had to switch it off. I mean, give me the money, and I'll sit and describe what happened in the clips of the cartoon I was sent before recording my links.
And as for the 'comedians' interviewed. They must have good agents, because they were as funny as your mum dying.

"They must have good agents, because they were as funny as your mum dying."

With Jimmy Carr (who could have guessed?) presenting they almost seemed good by comparison.

That said some of the comments were incredibly annoying "Oh, they must all have been on drugs", "They were definitely on drugs", "That character was on drugs". Towards the end I was wishing for bad things to happen to them.

Shit program...the lack of time given to some of the entiries was criminal. I mean you have Jungle Book and yet what do we get? Some twats singing the songs when we could have oh, lets a dicussion on the fact that a) it was Walt Disney's last film and b) how Walt saved it from disaster by lightening the tone and adding more songs.

And that's just one example...I also would be more annoyed at the fact that Disney didn't dominate the top 10 (sorry I love the Simpsons but nothing will beat the likes of Snow White, Jungle Book, Beauty and The Beast and Robin Hood) if I hadn't rationalised on the grounds of there being sooo many AAA disney films that they were splitting the voting too much.

P.S. The Carr bloke is a fucking wanker who I wouldn't tire of seeing him fed to live sharks.

Will

"The Carr bloke is a fucking wanker who I wouldn't tire of seeing him fed to live sharks".

Apparently he's popular in the US. Fingers crossed...

I saw Jimmy Carr's stand-up show a couple of years back.
It was pretty good, but I *did* assume the condescending snob was a character he was playing rather then his actual personality...

"how Walt saved it from disaster by lightening the tone"

I liked the way they steered clear of controversy by deciding to cast all black actors as the monkeys, led by a Malcom X figure who threatened to burn the jungle down.

ADE

Replying to my own post for a minute here I wonder why does noone EVER mention the huge political connotations of Disney's The Jungle Book: I mean the whole thing is a huge alagory for the politics of the late 60s.

The elephants are the reminants of the old order - the dying British Empire, old soldiers marching round uselessly.

The monkeys are the black community with their infectious jazz music, living in what looks like a ghetto, led by their Malcom X figure seeking civil rights ("I wanna be like you"/"Walk right into town/And be just like the other men" etc), threatening to burn the whole jungle down if they don't get what they want.

Baloo is a Kerouac-esque beatnik, laid back with no real worries but tantilised by the apes' funky jazz beats.

The vultures are (obviously) the Beatles with their mop hair, collars and harmony vocals and drol banter (not really that political but they fit in with the whole 1967 snapshot).

With the various political forces in the 'jungle', Disney reassures us it's good old family values and love that triumph and help us find out place in the world (when Mowgli joins the girl in the man-village), and the film ends on the theme of where people belong. Once you get over the thing about blacks being portrayed as apes you can actually appreciate how brilliantly it's concieved and executed. Though when you see how much people read into some movies and kid's shows, it's amazing to me that I can't seem to find a single thing on the internet about the political aspects of the film, all people ever find to say is that it's got great songs. Am I just going mad here? Or is it perhaps too obvious for people to bother mentioning?

Incidentally, my friend's 7-year old prefers Jungle Book II.

ADE

"Actually, those interviewed were completely clueless about anime in general, even Johnathan Clements - who writes the anime column for JD Megazine. There was some bloke who was quoted on just about everything shown who didn't even know the plots."

That guy apparently works for Toonami. He managed to get the plots to Watership Down and Princess Mononoke wrong("it's about a boy with a terminal disease who has to find Princess Monokoke to cure it." Eh?), which is rather embarrassing considering he works for channel devoted to cartoons.

I don't think Clements came off too badly, considering he only popped up a couple of times, and one of those was to correct the thick bloke from Toonami.

'I don't think Clements came off too badly, considering he only popped up a couple of times, and one of those was to correct the thick bloke from Toonami.'

Actually, having seen Clements on a few tv shows now (anyone else remember Saiko?), the producers of the show probably just spliced in an affectation of Clement's presenting style, rather than a specific rebuke to anything said by one of the other interviewees.  Although it surprises me not one jot that that fellow was a representative of Toonami.  In Britain at least, Toonami is seemingly run by managers in their own little bubble who don't have a clue how to market several cult shows that just seem to be shoved in anywhere on their schedule, rather than actively pushed to audiences outside the conventional cartoon fan and kiddie demographic (Samurai Jack being the most glaring example).
Mind you, most tv companies are just following the lead of american programmers, without realising that the UK is a seperate market not backed up by the same level of media saturation that sells these shows/franchise properties in the USA.

Incidentally, my friend's 7-year old prefers Jungle Book II.

Saw that at the cinema with my neice & nephew...

It was reasonably entertaining, but the new songs were lame and it relied heavily on the reprise of songs from the first film.

Although now I want to re-watch it, to see if it covers any political topics for the '00s!

No offence but I think people are too busy enjoying the damn thing to care about any subtexts. And I say that as someone whose I right bugger for reading too much into pop culture.

Will

Personally I don't really care for these Disney films - sure, the Sorcerer's Apprentice was good, but what else is there? Maybe it's just that I had these rammed down my throat since I was a kid, but I'm really not interested in them, and I really object to their Americanised dominance (now alongside Pixar and bloody Dreamworks).

For me it's just Miyazaki and the Studio Ghibli stuff and nothing else.

Really liked this Disney film, not that it was in the "top 100". Far better then that Snow White sh*te.

I'd be weary of anything with the word "Groove" in the title, but I'll take it under consideration.

Ade's right.

And the snake is symbolic of sexual liberation and the permissive society. Probably.

Disney do make the occassional stab at doing other world based stuff.  The last few years we've had:

Beauty and The Beast - Europe
Little Mermaid - Europe
Lion KIng - Africa
Mulan - Japan
Aladdin - Middle East
Hunch Back of Notre Dame - Europe

I must be alone in thinking that nearly most of the anime I've seen has been vastly over-rated.  Sure bits of it are cool and clever but overall, it doesn't yank my chain in the way that most of the Pixar output does.

The Emperor's New Groove was a colaboration with Gerald Scarfe, haven't seen it but it looks good. Disney have been quite varied in style in recent years, particularly like Lilo and Stitch which was created by one of their own animators who also did the Stitch voice.

For me a vary underrated film is The Prince Of Egypt, I haven't seen animation much better than that, and benefits from having a very dark theme (God killing all the first borns etc)and subsequently refrains from slapstick or crazy characters. The parting of the Red Sea is particulary good, especially when you see a whale swim by through the wall of water.

ADE

Yes, I'd put in a vote for Prince of Egypt too.

I thought it was Hercules with Scarfe.  Atlantis was certainly with Mike Mignola...

Dan

"I must be alone in thinking that nearly most of the anime I've seen has been vastly over-rated"

"Nearly most"? So some of it, then...?

;)

"I thought it was Hercules with Scarfe"

Oh yeah, right you are.

I'll put in another vote for Lilo and Stitch.
Funny and cool, with some kick ass spaceships.

Well spotted Noisy. NEARLY ALL is what I mostly meant.

I'ld vote just for the trailers for lilo and stitch that was some funny stuff

Was Watership Down in there?. I was in the bath for most of the 70-60 stuff.

And where-oh-where was Charlotte's Web?

And Shrek is shit. Better than Pixar my arse.

Yes, Watership Down was there, towards the beginning.

I'd forgotten how vicious it was, and will probably watch it again sometime.

Also, as a child I had NO IDEA AT ALL that the seagull swore!

- Trout

Y'know all i can remember of the film was that song!

And that's the greatest shame of all, as people laugh at it as a result. (This isn't a personal attack on you David BTW)

Well i think its a nice song