Curiouser and curiouser.
Still, nothing we didn't know or speculate already...
If what I heard about what Bad Wolf is is right, it's fucking shit.
Dont mince your words Wil (s) :)
Slips
"If what I heard about what Bad Wolf is is right, it's fucking shit"
Well, if you're referring to the...
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...news that episode 12, "Bad Wolf", will be about a set of TV shows, including a Big Brother-style program called "Bad Wolf", then I think it all depends on how it's handled. Done right, there's no reason why it shouldn't be very good.
I don't think the "Bad Wolf" references throughout New Who actually refer to this fictional program, and I suspect that the program title is itself just another instance of "Bad Wolf" being dropped into the show.
Where did you hear it from though Wils?
From what I can tell, the makers have been very secretive on the subject.
there's some hidden text on the first page that is shown when highlighted.
that is all.
thinky
Can't see any on the first page, but it's there in Disclaimers.
Well that's me intrigued. Thanks guys, another endless pointless trip down the windy lane of conspiracy. Ah well, at least it'll stop us watching or speaking about "that show".
Fiction rocks, reality TV isn't.
I think it's a newer funkier K-9 from the future (or at least an fx department with a bigger budget and something called a computer). Maybe an electronically mutated K-9 that's turned "Bad".
Mmmm, thinking Toby(yeah, that one). Nah, it'll never be that good :o(
still think its a misdirection of some sort
I choose to interpret the hidden stuff on the disclaimer page as undeniable evidence for the "Ecclestone is really the Master/Monk/Rani after a sex change" theory. 'Cos it's the most amusing.
Hurrah! for the return of Lobster Doug though, not heard from you in a while.
Spoiler?
'Could the Bad Wolf in fact be Adam? When he left the Doctor he took with him the knowledge of all of human history for the next 200,000 years.'
I thought those machines in the Long Game wiped all the information gathered from your memory so your brain doesn't overload. Thus Adam wouldn't have 200,000 years of knowledge as not only has his brain been wiped, but if I remember correctly, the recording he made was blown to pieces.
Other than that though..... Very curious indeed!
My theory on Bad Wolf is that the whole of the Who Episodes have been a giant reality TV show and have have/not been real as such, and it is maybe a prison/test for the Dr.?
So it's been a twelve-week long VR prison story?
Somehow....I doubt it.
That would be a very bad move...
Hence my "fucking shit" comment earlier. ;)
Although, in one way, it would explain the Bad Wolf references in every episode - they're like subliminal digital onscreen graphics, or copyright notices, to let the VR prison story viewer know they're watching a Bad Wolf production.
But, naaagh, it's an uterlly shit idea, and I can't believe that's what's going to happen in the last episode.
Sounds more like sneaky production team disinformation to get everyone uptight.
Did not the VCs have that whole VR prison thing going off with a full scale war throughout space, show for the polity?
If it is the case,with Dr Who itll mean it stretches right bak to the pilot episode then.
Which Braniac can tell me the date it s opening titles first hit the Tellys please?
November 23rd, 1963, the day after Kennedy was shot.
--Grant
As far as I can tell New Who has an entirely seperate existance from Old Who, sort of like an Ultimate Dr Who.
"As far as I can tell New Who has an entirely seperate existance from Old Who, sort of like an Ultimate Dr Who"
Huh? Where are you getting that from?
Well, mainly from the differences in look and feel, and the "last of the timelords" "last of the daleks" stuff, and the fact that they;d have to be crazy to want to be tied to the continuity nightmare that was Old Who (much though we love it).
And it gets them out of having wasted a bunch of regenerations on a crap TV movie, Rowan Atkinson, Sylvester McCoy etc...
Maintaining continuity between seperate shows just isn't something that really happens with TV very often either.
(Of course I've only watched 2 and a half episodes of it...)
no, it is proper continuity- he is refered to as the ninth doctor everywhere- and besides the bit where the doctor was played by rowan et all was a comedy spoof type thing
Well, it's not descended into fanwank and obscure references to old Who, but I think it's safe to say that the team working on it view it as a continuation of the previous series.
There's also pretty solid preview info that suggests episode 6 wasn't the last we'll see of the Daleks...
"...he is refered to as the ninth doctor everywhere..."
Wll that stuffs that theory. Is that actually in the show? Could cause some problems for them later on, what with the regeneration limit and all...
Of course it could be a different Ninth Doctor...
I heard on radio 2 today,that Anne Robinson was going to be in an episode.The Doctor lands on a planet,called I think something like Game planet,where she's an android.
Thats the Bad Wolf episode.
The hidden text bit is a very interesting twist though. Knowing that everyone would find out what the episode Bad Wolf is about means that they couldn't have kept it a secret. My guess (and hope) is that it's part of something bigger.
Anyone see any Bad Wolf bits in the leaked version of the pilot maybe? ;)
Also look at the theories page, where is the picture of Rose from?
>Wll that stuffs that theory. Is that actually in the show? Could cause some problems for them later on, what with the regeneration limit and all...
Of course it could be a different Ninth Doctor...
Those problems have already been caused, they've just been steadfastly ignored. I can't remember the story, but I think it was either during the Tom Baker or Peter Davidson eras when a baddie uses some machine to view the Doctor's various regenerations, during which there's about eight incarnations before William Hartnell (who, incidentally, were played by members of the crew). So the whole regeneration limit's been up the spout for a long time. The only thing to do is ignore it and nobody ever refer to a limit ever again.
*fan mode*
Fegbarr, that was "The Brain of Morbius" starring Tom Baker, in a scene where the Doctor and Morbius go head-to-head in some mind game thing. The theory is that the other faces were Morbius' previous regenerations.
The new series is doing what the old one did - when decade-old continuity gets in the way of a good story, ignore it. Thats why there are something like three destructions of Atlantis.
Hmmm? Really?
That's not what my nerdish copy of 'a brief history of the universe' or whatever says.
But onto more important matters.
Anyone listened to the sound played during the opening little movie wotsit? There's some kind of singing on there, but my limit talent with audio manipulation means I can't quite work out what.
IIRC, it's the Blake poem "The Sick Rose":
O Rose thou art sick!
The invisible worm
That flies in the night
In the howling storm,
Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy:
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.
Very creepy & suggestive...
Like Roses life as she was planning it to be is destroy.
By the worm of time heralding the Doctor?
And here was me thinking it was 'Who's afraid of the big bad wolf'.... Tsk.
"And here was me thinking it was 'Who's afraid of the big bad wolf'.... Tsk."
Heh. Well, I think the two are mixed together, along with some other SFX.
It certainly is "Who's afraid of the Big Bad Wolf". This bit, to be exact:
Who's afraid of the big bad wolf
Big bad wolf, big bad wolf?
Who's afraid of the big bad wolf?
Tra la la la la
Came the day when fate did frown
And the wolf blew into town
With a gruff "puff-puff" he puffed just enough
And the hay house fell right down
Where did you get the Blake from?
"Where did you get the Blake from?"
The song on the Revelations page - "Big Bad Wolf - French Chansons". Sorry, I was getting mixed up with the bit you were talking about!
Do you know, the first time I heard that I thought it was ging-gang-goolie mixed with it!
I love what they are doing with the websites though.
I dunno, I can easily imagine the 'free-thinking' session that produced the phrase 'Who's afraid of the big bad wolf' very easily. Of course it doesn't make sense in the context of the show!
Who was it that said Micky becomes Davros? I dunno, I think that might work.
I think the theory is that Adam (the bloke from Corrie) becomes Darvos. Although I hope not, as I never want to see him in the show again personally...
(The Corrie bloke, not Darvos!)
Heh, that was it, that's the worst theory I've ever heard.
The Micky one is gold though.
'But bad means good doesn't it?'
Well, if you look at the guest star list on IMDB for the final episode...
Link: Major accidental spoiler!
Of course!
Anne Robinson is the Bad Wolf!
"Well, if you look at the guest star list on IMDB for the final episode.."
As someone over at Outpost Gallifrey pointed out, IMDB is great for info on films/programmes that have already been released, but pretty crap for ones that haven't been.
Also: Holly playing Davros? Sounds pretty bloody unlikely to me. I'm hoping for the return of the Emperor Dalek, myself...
The Watcher...
Its going to be hellish waiting for the christmas special isn't it?
Will
Did anyone else think the 'But bad means good' line (said my Cap Jack in reply to Mikey) might have some meaning? The conversation seemed crow-barred in otherwise.
Greetings Odders, been dropping in now and again lately. Still have to catch up on progs so trying not to see too many spoilers.
On topic though, return of Daleks, yay! I still fancy the Master to turn up at some point. Or did he die. Does dying really matter when you're dealing with time travel? BB/WL stuff looks a bit strange, but who knows, they might pull it off. Hopefully it's not just a Matrix type thing. The wotsername robot looks less annoying than the real thing at least!
I think the Master too. He's big enough (along with the Daleks and Cybermen) to be able to 'come back' in to the new series without too much explanation for new viewers.
Look, it's blatantly Davros, he ties into the the Daleks.
Plus if he's played by Holly, then it'll be pure comedy gold!
+++ I HAVE AN IQ ++++ OF TEN MILLION +++ DAVE+++
Look here Mr C, It may well be Davros, but somewhere, in the deep, dark, background, the Master is behind it all!!!!!!!!
By the way, did you know that The Fonze was almost certainly having it off with Richie's mum?
Really? I heard that he was knocking off Tom Bosley. You learn something new every day...
Wasn't it Chachi?
The Doctor Who page at the Beeb has now been updated with a new page for the "Bad Wolf" episode, all done in the style of the Big Brother website. Some very funny bits tucked away there, along with a couple of interesting teasers for any Bad Wolf Watchers...
Actually I'd like for Captain Jack to be revealed as the new 'master'. Think that would work nicely. Then Mickey can join in as an anti-side-kick.
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The Daleks are not "Bad Wolf", creator says...
Link: Bad Wolf 'not solved yet'