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...will this be the greatest episode ever a reveal the meaning of Bad Wolf of be a bit of a damp squid? time will tell, in the mean time, oooouuuuwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!...

Can't tell you have much I'm looking forward to this... I trust Mr. T. Davies not to screw it up... But there's still that damn niggling doubt...

Yeah, but even if he 'screws it up' its still the best thing on TV by miles.

I am excited. Even though I have been disappointed with the majority of episodes, especially the Slitheen ones. They were still good telly, just not as good as I demand!

Personally I'm not so worried. Explosions, satires and daleks are pretty much sorted here, I'm actually concerned about the second series they've commisioned and if David Tennant (sp?) will be any good.

Finnigan Sinister

I reckon Tennant will be good. I don't know why, as I've never actually seen him in anything... I just have a feeling. My main concern for next series is the assisstant they lumber him with on Rose's departure...

Well, so far Bad Wolf consists of two words, appearing in the background of the series, I think I've been more looking forward to the last episodes for what they might bring rather than the Bad Wolf theme.  However I have my theory, one of the few real clues in the series I think (unless I've missed a lot - possible).

Anyway, bring on the Daleks.

I think Tennant will be even better to be honest.

Doctor Who meets Anne Robinson, Trinny & Suzannah and Davina MaCall robots and ends up in the Big Brother House.

IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH IT'S RUBBISH

I haven't seen it yet.

ADE

as usual i'll be giving it a miss. but from what ade has said here i don't think i'll be missing much. ann robinson!!? daviv bloody mccall!??

i ask you, has it really come to this.

I'm not going to write this off intill I see it,as I was surprised at how good last weeks was.You never know,perhaps the reality show bits wont take up the whole episode.I do hope it doesn't turn out that the Doctor was in some kind of vr prison,that would ruin it.

Russel T. Davies has actually written off the VR prison rumours saying something like 'I'd never do that to the fans, it would be such a disappointment'...

Or at least I think I saw that. If I turn out to be wrong, you all have permission to beat me within an inch of my life...

Thank you very much - it's always nice to have someone's permission before you throw them a beating.

Fucking ace!

Best episode yet! Fan-bloody-tastic! I think my jaw had dislocated by the end...

heh, well, that was good.  A lot of TV nonsense for the non-spods and the greatest dalek show on Earth for the rest of us.

A nice balance of the ridiculous and the sublime, moving from the camp future versions of Big Brother et al to the horror of the Controller and the Dalek control of Earth.

It's still a bit unclear what Bad Wolf refers to, though - it definitely seems to be a hint to the continued existence of the Daleks, but why does it keep appearing through the Doctor's adventures?

...that must be the longest intense build up to a cliffhanger EVER!!!...

Looks like Charlie Brooker was right:

Best. BBC. Family. Drama. Series. Ever.

;-)

Now, THAT, my disciples, was how you write a fuckin' episode of Doctor Who.

Shame Rose didn't really die, though. I cheered like a monkey when she got zapped.

...and just to make me sound even more appallingly spoddy:

-- I spent all of today waiting for tonight's episode

-- I grinned like a fool through all of it, got shivers when the Controller spoke to the Doctor during the solar flare and got stupidly happy over the reveal of the Daleks at the end

-- I leapt to turn off the telly at the end so as not to spoil any of the final episode from this series

-- I'm now online straight away nattering about how ace it was

;-)

'Shame Rose didn't really die, though. I cheered like a monkey when she got zapped.'

But even that is easily forgiven when you look at the scenes that it spawned...

Just means she can go out with a bigger bang next time 'round!

I'm still grinning like a loon after seeing the ending.I think thats got to be the best episode yet.
I think that the game show bit worked well,particularly the Captain Jack section.Hopefully they wont kill him off as he is such a good character.

was it just me or did I hear the words

"grexnix" and "ghafflebette"

if not they were two words hellish like them.

If it was during the bit with the creature from the previous episode ("The Long Game"), then it was probably that beasty's title:

The Mighty Jagrafess of the Holy Hadrojassic Maxarodenfoe

(phew!)

Was it during the weakest link bit,If so I think I may of heard it too.

during the weakest link section - glad I didnt imagine it.

Ah, must have missed that. I'm not watching the repeats, so I'll have to wait for the DVD to see that again.

BTW - best subtle moment of the show (as opposed to the grand reveal etc.) must go to the Doctor's conversation about the gameshows. It was a nice piece of writing, building up a slightly self-righteous speech about the human race being sheep, fed a diet of trash TV, then puncturing this with "oh, yeah - but I quite liked *that* one".

:-)

Yeah, the dialouge seemed spot on in this episode. When he was talking to the Big Brother contestant, I couldn't help thinking how many times he'd used that speech on other potential companions...

Although, the 'Do you think being sweet wins votes?' line was a really great way of punctuating her situation. And his conversing with the Dalek? Classic! I really thought he was serious for a moment there...

I think you're not the only one with those syptoms Amstor... Or maybe I'm just happen nobody is going to beat the hell out of me for providing misinformation...

IMO, character writing is Davies' strong point. He's not as great as other writers on "what if?" setups or plotting, but he consistently writes interesting and entertaining characters.

I thought a lot of the Reality TV spoofing just felt like padding, couldn't they have just shown a couple of questions from Weakest Link rather than an entire round?

But the Dalek stuff rocked monumental ASS.


Do you, the board reckon it's Davros or the Master in charge, or someone else? I have a terrifying feeling Russell will go all "political" and stuff and have Paul Wolfowitz or someone like that...

Best theory I've heard about the next episode - and this is pure SPECULATION but may include SPOILERS - really, look away now if you don't want it accidentally spoiling...










The Daleks survived the Time War cause they were helped by someone who 'would make a good Dalek', he escaped too but is going to end his life at the hands of Eccelestonm which would explain why we didn't see this character at the start of the series, what with next week partially setting up 'Rose'. Is that oblique enough.

Um... possibly a little *too* oblique ;-)

BTW - anyone catch the nice parallel between Lynda and Rose? Both have the Doctor storm into their lives, and both take the chance to go with him. Very similar characters, and I suspect that Lynda will be used to good dramatic effect next week.

As for Bad Wolf...

Would I be entirely wrong in thinking that the repeated appearances of "Bad Wolf" throughout the series are due to the Controller? Is she supposed to have been seeding these references through time to make the Doctor aware of what's been going on?

I thought it was the 'controler' too...

Pah. You heathens. Did you notice the background hum on board the Dalek space ship was the same sound effect used in the 1960's Dalek episodes?

Yep, Bad Wolf and controller was the feeling I got from the episode as well. And I'm actually rather content with that... So subtle...

Was I the only one who thought the Controller looked like that woman who killed the Editor at first?

Mm. Unless I missed something, the Controller was responsible for pulling the Doctor, Rose and Jack out of the TARDIS and hiding them in the Game Station. She knew that her "masters fear the Doctor" so she brought him back to the Station where he could discover what had been happening, but still remain hidden from the Dalek fleet.

It wasn't spelt out whether she was responsible for the repeated Bad Wolf references, but it would certainly seem possible - the biggest problem I can see is how she could have placed the references throughout time.

"Did you notice the background hum on board the Dalek space ship was the same sound effect used in the 1960's Dalek episodes?"

Heh, yep. I also loved the design of the saucers - straight from the CGI inserts in the Dalek Invasion of Earth DVD, unless I'm much mistaken.

the biggest problem I can see is how she could have placed the references throughout time

well she did manage to pull the tardis through time

Ah, right enough - but it begs the question:

If she can do that, why just plant subtle references? Why not grab the TARDIS crew at the first opportunity?

I suspect that whatever the answers are, they will be fairly simple and clear. For example, much as some fans have gone nuts about Bad Wolf being Fenric, RTD has been quite clear that he wants the series to be appreciated by new and old viewers and for it to remain relatively straightforward - introducing a (crap) obscure villain from a 16 year-old series is the precise opposite of that.  

beware of the big bad wolf, obvious init ?

ere, dr who rocks :)

"Who's afraid of the Big Bad Wolf", surely?

"Fucking ace!"

At last, something I do want to see.

ADE

Heh :-)

' "Fucking ace!" ...something I do want to see.'

Why do you want to observe Sylvester's last companion having sex, you some sort of Dogger? ;)

Now, not that i've seen it or nowt but someone said on a prewious post that the young bloke from emerdale became davros (something to do with his cyclops eye thing).

Did this become reality?

Really must see these some day.

they was doing one of them there violent jabbings, at one of those times when it ain't very sunny and the lights are not on.

I mean really Ump why the fook aint you watching?

By the look of the next episode trailer, the TARDIS is going to be a central element in the last episode.

That is all I can saywithout feeding any plot to you Amstor,

...im not sure but i think the Dalek control room theme has been updated a little, but not much. I must admit it was the moment in the story i turned to my girlfriend and said it was the control room , even before we saw the little pepper pots several minutes later...

...sad eh?..

...and just where did Jack pull that gun from???..

...as if i didnt know, but the shape of it!!?!...

POSS SPOILER








After that episode, PVS' scorn aside, I am even more convinved Adam (or whatever Corrie bloke's name was) is Davros. He knows about the Daleks. He knows about Satellite 5. He has the hole in his head. Not sure about the paradox elements, but then neither is RTD, but if Adam becomes Davros after the Time War then he can make Daleks.










Honest, it must be him! Burn him! Now!

'I suspect that Lynda will be used to good dramatic effect next week.'

You mean she's going to buy the farm.

I have some problems with this episode actaully and I'm surprised I haven't seen more criticism here the way there is always some dissesnion about tooth/meg.

Is nobody else sick of 'the tardis working it out'? It's a lazy bit of writing and for it to happen in two episdoes on the run is a bit rich for me.

Plus, and I bloody hope that this is resolved in the next episode, why are all the disintegrated contestants transmitted to Dalek central?

And where did the controller's clothes come from?
Liked the face-off line, but Dr's companion's pulling guns out of their arse? Family viewing!

Thankfully these are really just niggles. Bring on next week.

Bad Andy/Wolf

why are all the disintegrated contestants transmitted to Dalek central?

To be mutated into those thousands of Daleks? And by that kid with the third eye gizmo they abandoned it seems.

Enjoyable hokum but bloody cringeworthy in spots.

wolf stuff

Link: bad wolf stuff from the bbc

I think the tardis working out what had happened to it, as it had basically been attacked -succesfully (a rare thing indeed) made sense.  If there was someone being turned into an egg every week, you might have a point.  But what russel is starting to do is tell the audience that the Tardis is alive.


DR X's SPOILER THEORIES.


"PVS' scorn aside"

My scorn is not so puny as to be lightly brushed aside.  We might see Adric II, we might see Dave Ross, but we won't see Adric II is Dave.  That would be a terrible idea.


SPOILERS OFF



I suspect it might be best to have a seperate theories thread.

"Is nobody else sick of 'the tardis working it out'?"

No. As it's not like the Tardis ALWAYS acts as some kind of Deux Ex Machina that storms in and saves the day every episode. To moan about it working a solution out twice would be like moaning about the Doctor/Rose/Captain Jack/etc working something out more than once.

I disagree. At least Dr/Rose/Jack are active components to the storyline.

Last ep the 'heart of the tardis' thing was such complete bollocks and this time it's just sat in a locked room and comes up the 'answer'.

I do like the idea that the Tardis was seeding the Dr's adventures with Bad Wolf appearances in order to warn him. I like the subtle touches the tardis does, just not the autonomous problem solving. That should be done actively by our heroes.

Oh yeah, I agree that the heart of the Tardis tripe in Boom Town was a load of old nonsense... But then, it's better than a lot of other painful co-incidances in other shows.

I didn't mind it in this episode though, as it really helped to keep up the pace of the episode and kept everything guilding along smoothly.

Shallow, derivative low-camp nonsense. Again, everything '80s Who is accused of being. Russell's dialogue and characters are as wonderful as ever but his stories are by far the weakest in the series. Mind you, this week's episode did have a nice homage to Terry Nation. Shock! It's the Daleks! Although, admittedly, it was last week's teaser rather than this week's episode title that gave the game away . . .

"Plus, and I bloody hope that this is resolved in the next episode, why are all the disintegrated contestants transmitted to Dalek central?"

Slave labour? Genetic material for creating new Daleks? I'm sure this will be resolved next episode.

"And where did the controller's clothes come from?"

Wasn't she wearing them throughout? I certainly thought so, and it was only when you saw her properly illuminated that you could see them clearly.

"Dr's companion's pulling guns out of their arse? Family viewing!"

...and a line which went right over the heads of most of the children I know. "Family viewing" doesn't mean neutering the show of things like this, or Jack's incessant flirting. IMO, the writers have done a cracking job of creating a show that has something to offer for young and old, fans and non-fans.

"Last ep the 'heart of the tardis' thing was such complete bollocks and this time it's just sat in a locked room and comes up the 'answer'"

Well, I thought the "heart of the TARDIS" was quite nifty, myself.

I don't necessarily think the TARDIS came up with the "answer" in this episode, either. My reading of that scene was that Jack checked the TARDIS instruments and discovered that it had detected what the other signals beaming from the Game Station were, and the Dalek fleet. However, by this time the Doctor and co. have already figured out that the station is doing something other than just broadcasting TV signals, and that it has been put in place by the Controller's "masters". The information from the TARDIS was just the final piece in the puzzle.

'I don't necessarily think the TARDIS came up with the "answer" in this episode'

I agree - it was just my shorthand for the debate. It was Jack's phrase 'The Tardis came up with the answer' that riles me.

It's like Red Dwarf when it started going bad when 'Kryten' would come up with the answer - usually off-screen.

If Jack had come out and said 'It's been recorded on the Tardis sensors' then fine. If it hadn't come stright after 'heart of tardis' baloney I doubt it would have bothered me.

BTW I did say that I enjoyed the episode, there were just one or two little niggles that I thought I'd share on the review thread.



'Well, I thought the "heart of the TARDIS" was quite nifty, myself.'

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Am I completely alone in thinking that these Daleks are going to be the products of the Daleks that Rose stopped the Doctor from killing?  Thus the way future Earth's fucked up will be his fault, and the things doing it will be her fault.

Making for a nice, subtle commentary on the wisdom of just barging around the Middle Eas- sorry, the Universe, doing "good"...

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Yeah...A combo of that Dalek and the hole-in-the-head bloke...creating a new dalek empire...

but the dalek self destructed, yea, now we now what those little ball type things are for eh, though we was called wolf

oh come on

its gotta be davros !

> its gotta be davros !

I am now convinced it is, and I think we saw him in this episode.

In the sccene where the doctor has just remebered what happend, he faces into a two way mirror and says "I'm coming to get you"

At that point you can just make out a reflection of someone watching the doctor.  To me it looks like Davros.  Couple it with the line, and I'm sure...

Anyone Screencap?

Dan

/was it just me or did I hear the words

"grexnix" and "ghafflebette"[backslash]

Definatly heard 'ghafflebette', it was a famous way of serving food on some planet. Can't recall Grexnix though...

Nope, but someone's posted it across at Outpost Gallifrey. For what it's worth, I don't think it's Davros reflected - more likely an anonymous staff member from the Game Station, a camera or even a Dalek - and I will be *really* disappointed if it turns out that he is in it. Not only would it be introducing an old, relatively obscure character to a new audience - something RTD and co. have shied away from - but it would be introducing him at the last minute with no hints as to his involvement. Bollocks to that.

I'd also be pissed off if Adam gets involved in the final episode. He's not - as others have said - a loose thread. He was introduced and served his purpose (to point up what the Doctor likes about Rose, and to show the Doctor refusing to take someone like Adam - greedy and devious - with him on his adventures) and there's no need - or simple, clean way - to bring him back.

The voice at the end of the trailer for next week (yes, I relented ;-) ) sounds just like the Emperor Dalek from the Evil of the Daleks / the Big Finish audios. Is it him/it? Perhaps - and it would make more sense than Davros or Adam.

The question was "Who went out with the Grexnixx in the Holo-Drama..."

Dan

It was my post over on Gallifrey ;-)

Dan

Heh - good man. I took another look just now, and I'd agree with one of the other posters there: it's a reflection of one of the spherical cameras-on-tracks that are used in the BB house.

...of course, if Davros does turn up next week (what, as a head-in-a-jar again? ;-) ) I shall be eating my words...

I mostly agree with Deafndumb - I think the thing that lifts this version above the 80s is the fact its mostly well acted and less glittery - and its intentionally funny/low camp.  

RTDs dialogue and characters are great, but I wonder if he can actually write something that isnt "modern" - that is, dialogue full of modern slang and pop culture references, even from humans 200,000 years in the future, aliens and Timelords. Even at the very end of the world, almost all the references are late 20th/early 21st C - Jack from the 51st century does a mean "W" symbol - It will be interesting to see if he can break the mould next series.

You can certainly see why RTD farmed out the historicals - Dickens would have probably started making references to Coronation Street...:)

The egg thing was a terrible get out - sure as an ending it was a nice nod to the themes of the episode.  It was also a huge cop out in terms of the Doctor avoiding making a tricky decision, and came from absolutely nowhere (Dont quote old series examples to explain this - RTD has been very clear that you shouldnt have to refer back to the old series to get anything).  Generally the plot resolutions have been pretty terrible, but theyve been bouyed up by the general quality of the rest of the show.  That said, I think theyre going to have to get some more satisfying plots in there to keep the series credible.

1: Antiplastic - OK, intro story - its all secondary.

2: Big switch

3: OK, that one works.. though if they are creatures living in gas pipes, why would it adversely affect them? probably have to watch it again to see...

5: A big missile.

6: Dalek finds love -  Blukh!

7: OK, this kind of worked in a dull way - heat.

8:  Didnt make sense, but the emotional stuff was the core of this, so forgivable

10:  Doesnt make much sense either if you pick at it, though still one of the best.

11:  Egg

 

THEORY:  I think the voice will start to wheeze and splutter, there'll be a noise like thunder, and a sort of hollow echoing will reverberate around the room before the dread voice will say... 'can you tell what I am yet?'

That's right, it was all a cunning Typo.

Bad Rolf.

I was a lot less depressed when I watched the repeat and it's an okay episode. I think it needs to be judged in the context of part two though. And part two should be great fun. It's all set up and, how utterly brilliant is this, we don't know how it's going to end.

The production team have put a huge amount of effort into saving some secrets till broadcast and I'm delighted that I have no idea how this resolves itself. When did a popular telly series last pull this off?

Overall this series has been a huge sucess for me. There have been some episodes that didn't work as well for me as I'd hoped (Aliens of London and The Long Game) and some that rank amongst my favourite Who ever (The Doctor Dances and The Unquiet Dead) but there were none that were iredeemably bad and I'm glad to have been able to see them.

Also chuffed by the general reaction. Colleagues and others have said they really like it, that includes complete sci-fi allergists, and the fact that kids are enjoying it is a wonderful thing.

The Heart of T.A.R.D.I.S. thing chimes with the ending of the Paul McGann Pilot, to me at least.

OI! No referring to past stories! :)

Dr Who Page is up, turn your volume up a decent amount first as it's atmospheric and spooky but a bit quiet.

Link: Woo-oooo--oooooh!

Oh, but er, not if you are at work!

no matter what issues you might have with the series, go to the BBC site, look at the teaser trail and grin like a fool... yes, even you Uncle Ump!

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Why did they have to have the holes in their heads at all in the previous episode?  It seemed to me like effects for effects sake (beaming direct to the brain), and it would make a nice tie-up if he was a 'new' Davros.

The teaser trailer is really good.  

It stops at the very precipice of spoiler, you might think you've even swalked off the edge, but you're quite safe.  I think.  

Amazing stuff.

I'm grinning like an idiot after viewing that new BBC front page!

'I'm grinning like an idiot after viewing that new BBC front page!'

What's so great about Cardiff singer of the world 2005 being on radio and tv this week? ;)

"What's so great about Cardiff singer of the world 2005 being on radio and tv this week? ;)"

I'm hoping the rift will open up and swallow them all...

"Liked the face-off line, but Dr's companion's pulling guns out of their arse? Family viewing!"

I actually quite liked that bit even though the line was a bit obvious.  As for whether it was fit for family viewing - an earlier draft of the script by Brannon Braga actually went like this:

TRANNY:  THAT'S A COMPACT LASER BLASTER. WHERE DID YOU GET THAT?

CAPTAIN JACK:  MY RIGHT THUMBNAIL IS ACTUALLY MADE OF SYNTHETIC POLYCARBIDE AND CONCEALS A TRANSGRAVIMETRIC CHRONITON HOMING DEVICE.  WHEN I ACTIVATED, A GRAVITON PULSE WAS EMITTED AND DETECTED BY THE NEBULATORS ON THE TARDIS' SECURITY GRID.  THIS TRIGGERED A TRANS DIMENSIONAL PHASE INDUCTOR CREATED A SUB SPACE WARP SCANNER TO DETECT MY LOCATION AND THEN THE SELF AWARENESS BIOCIRCUITRY TRANSPORTED THE GUN THROUGH SPACE AND TIME TO MY EXACT LOCATION.

... but Russell edited it slightly.  I know which I prefer.

I thought it was a simple, funny line that a kid could find funny as well as an adult (kids do stick things everywhere*)

Still enjoying the show but I'm also slightly annoyed that I keep having to say "I'll let them off with that bit of terrible stuff because it's a kid's show/mainstream audience pleaser.

Finally got to see it today.

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ADE

You didn't like it then, Ade?

;)

If you dont want to be spoilered, avoid the papers for the next few days... Apparently, there may well be piccys of .. things... you dont want to see just yet...

I am heeding the BBC warning and giving up on the net as of now, and the Metro too. (Are there other papers?)

Be back after Sat to either flame PVS or eat humble pie.

Thanks for the warning watcher.  I've almost seen too much - but not quite, so I'm going to avod what I can.

As I said, I have my theory, which is possibly  a bit tenuous having scene the last episode.

And in other news, DR X'S Theorum has been debunked by Dalek scientists...

A + STALK = D

DOES NOT COMPUTE! - ERROR! ERROR! DO NOT WORSHIP HIM, HE IS A FOOL!

If you want to know...

Link: http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493

Larf - is that today's Grauniad? If so, which page/section should I avoid if I don't want to ruin the final episode for myself?

Media section, talks about a third series then launches straight into a spoiler - of sorts...

Well a lot of it washed past me while I was thinking about how bad it was.

The Doctor seemed to react to Big Brother as if he watched the show regularly and knew how it all worked.

The 'satire' was AWFUL since he didn't actually change anything about the reality shows except putting the word 'droid' after the presenters name and making them robots that kill people. Even the BB music was the same! The other contestants all seemed to be excited to be on the show even though it meant they would probably die. And did Davies really think this line was good: "She's been evicted...from life!"

One of the characters flippantly explains how when the news channel went down all the economies collapsed, governments fell and civilisation just grinded to a halt - obviously (though it didn't seem to stop every civilisation until the 20th Century). The whole thing seemed to be suggesting that having failed to colonise Earth dozens of times before they finally do it by using reality TV.

Sorry, but bringing back daleks for the finale is just not an achievement. Davies - stop writing your gay scripts and come up with something original.

ADE

Whooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

get you!

*shrugs*

I'm not convinced that RTD would see "gay scripts" as an insult.

You're forgetting though, BB contestants are INSANE. And would probably like being killed on international TV...

And you're forgetting that the news in question wasn't you're average journalism, it was controlling everybody on Earth. only subtly mind, but I imagine that once that kind of control suddenly vanishes... Well, once you get used to something it's hard to adjust when it's gone.

Although, one thing I did notice, going by the descriptions of the other various game shows and the way the make-over droids would casually lop sombodies head off, is it safe to say that people actually do die in these things? And they're not all just transporter platforms to the Dalek fleet...

Maybe they only need the heads...

Ew.

"is it safe to say that people actually do die in these things? And they're not all just transporter platforms to the Dalek fleet..."

Well, it makes no sense either way.

There's no explaination why people on Earth would want to watch people having a make-over then strip off before being killed by a robot ("It's to die for": see what he did there?).

On the other hand, why would the Daleks want to transport lots of game-show contestants onto their fleet?

I thought the reason Doctor Who was unpopular towards the end on the 80s was because they were doing things like having guest appearances by Ken Dodd?

ADE

The music was especially annoying, or was it just me?

I thought that the reason Who became unpopular was because it had descended into rubbish fanwank, with dull, pretentious stories that appealed to no-one but hardcore fans, and some frankly awful performances from the leads.

Naff guest appearances were the least of the problems, IMO...

What's the difference between the reaction to the BB/Weakest link/etc stuff in this episode and the simillar reaction in simillar stories in 2000ad??

It struck me that the Earth in 2,000,100 and MC 1 are almost the same.  A populous with nowhere to go, and nothing to do, grabbing every chance to climb the ladder, even if the odds, once selected might only be 1 in 10.

Dan

The music was especially annoying, or was it just me?

No, I've been annoyed with the music the entire season, and this week was especially irritating, regularly drowning out the dialogue and intruding into several scenes - particularly Rose's 'death' scene and the confrontation with the Daleks.

It also drowned out almost everything Simon Pegg said in 'The Long Game', which made the story particularly confusing.

Eh? I haven't noticed the music drowning out anything...

It's Mozart! And he would've gotten away with it if it hadn't been for those meddling sheep!

It appears to depend on your TV, judging by comments over at Outpost Gallifrey. Some people have never had a problem with the music, others have noticed every week.

There was some speculation that it was a problem with resampling the audio from a 5.1 mix to a 2.0 for transmission. Not sure how plausible that is, as I've no idea about sound mixing!

check this site out for all you need to know about the daleks:
http://www.answers.com/topic/dalek-variants
i particularly like the bit about:
"These Daleks were not descended from the original Kaled mutants, being instead made from the modified heads of human corpses infused with the Dalek factor."
why were the game show contestants getting teleported to the dalek ship again?????

just gotta love your masterful use of spoliler tags there...

Mm. Does kind of knacker "Revelation...", doesn't it?

hey, there was no spoilers in that statement (not unless you've been waiting 20 years on a cliff hanger episode from the 80's).  if you read the website this is not related to daleks from the new season, it's all what has happened in the past.  i was just speculating a bit, but it does sound plausible, well more than most written on this thread!

Kind of spoils it for anyone who hasn't seen Revelation of the Daleks, though!

I hope it's not anything like the humans-become-Daleks idea, as I prefer my kill-crazy war machines inhabited by proper squirmy mutants and not human off-cuts :-)

...mind you, the kaleds were a humanoid shaped race to start with that was deliberatly mutated by Davros with certain factors removed, like emotion and pity, subverting earth human DNA to there own ends doesnt seem to be a problem, as long as the end product has the attitude of a Dalek...

...debate, debate, debate....