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According to today's Sun ... which conspicuously managed to NOT make any jokes about Daleks and stairs ...

Glad the Cybermen are back though, they're my favourites and I can't wait to see what they come up with for the new 'look' ...

Yeah, it's been confirmed for a wee while, I think. Good to see them back - I just hope the redesign is close to what they did with the Daleks: a couple of tweaks, some work to make it look more "real", but no real substantial change made to the design (keeping the "teardrop", the rough shape of the helmet, the chest unit etc...)

Someone at another forum said they should look "like impassive silver giants", and I reckon that's the feel to aim for.

...oh, and they've got to keep the strange vocal effects and the "you will be like us"... :-)

Yep, already knew this. The Sun is definatly slow on the uptake.

Nice to see they actually displayed a degree of good taste and cut the stair jokes though...

Are the Sun still claiming it was them wot brought back the Daleks?

I'm amazed that no-one has yet went:

clenches fist Excellent!

Cybermen are my favourite baddies too, it'll be cool to see them back again.

Aren't Cybermen a cheap Borg rip-off?

Dan

[Walks away whistling...]

"Are the Sun still claiming it was them wot brought back the Daleks?"

Yes. I just read it, and they are. The swines...

"Aren't Cybermen a cheap Borg rip-off?
Dan
[Walks away whistling...] "

cybermen were there first !

"Aren't Cybermen a cheap Borg rip-off?"

Heh! You raise a good point, though - *we* know the Cybermen came first, and appreciate the difference between the two, but is this perhaps going to be a problem for the Who team to overcome with the general public?

The Borg usually ignore everybody then end up finding their inner child, don't they?

More bothered about this namby-pamby lonely Dalek nonsense. So long as we get a Cyberman pausing in the act of flamethrowering a kitten, then shrugging and just going for it, I'll be happy.

I think Cybermen are my favourites as well.Shame though that there wont be anymore Daleks next year,I'd love to see the Daleks and Cybermen team up.

Season seventeen of the new Doctor Who and Russel T Davies tries to spark interest with a return of the Krotons.

What else is there that would spark any interest in the general public?  The Master?  

Sontarans/Silurians/Sea Devils/Ice Warriors must be way down there.

Good to see the Cyberdudes back [Do not call us cyberdudes, human] personally I can see them keeping elemnts of the head and just coming up with something really new and cool.  All they need to be is silver cyberblokes [You were warned].

Aiiieee!!!

They could try boring everyone to death with their libertarian anti-tax rants, like real "transhumanists".

For Season 17 What about this thing from 'The Awakening'? I remember it scaring the absolute crap out of me watching it as a seven year old.

It was just this huge face behind a wall in a church.

He's so scary he's never been on again. Either that or he was crap.

But out of all the Doctor's enemies he has stayed with me the longest. Scarred young kid I was.

Come on Russell T!

I wouldn't mind seeing the Sontarans again...

Maybe they shouldn't just be looking at the bad guys though, I'd love to see more of a UNIT presence in a couple of stories, with a Brigadier-type recurring character.

- Steve

I always thought that the Cybermen were scarier than the Daleks with the added bonus that you did't have to listen really carefully, or get them to repeat themselves, to understand what they're saying.

I doubt the Borg thing is a problem for the general public in the UK. I suspect the Borg are either not known, or are known to people who already remember the Cybermen came first

I actually suspect the general feeling is 'Borg? You mean that chick from that star trek series? Yeah... She was hot!"

As reported in the latest D.W.M., which is a better read than ever these days, the Cybermen will be back but they're coming back because they are so good and so well remembered. And if they're that good they don't need a huge redesign. I suspect there'll be Dalek like tinkerings but they'll still be the same Silver Giants we know and love.

I remember the Malus really well, Bad Andy. I have earlier memories of Who but this is the first story that really sticks out to me. Loved the Malus and even though the story has several flaws it's one of the last really good stories for a while. And it has Dennis Lill in it. That's never a bad thing.

The Malus was in the Llangollen exhibition and I believe it's in the Blackpool one.

Sontarans should come back. Colin Baker now looks like a Sontaran, so he could get a fan pleasing guest spot. Or not.

I went to the Llangollen exhibition after visiting Portmeirion. It was quite good fun (even for the girlf who had never seen Dr Who at the time).

It seemed to be run by one eccentric geezer who did not act entirely unlike Tom Baker. Wild eyed, wandering around randomly, he wore Colin Baker's Dr Who suit I think.

But walking through the museum where all the bad guy costumes were was exceedingly creepy, especially as we were the only ones in there. Some of them even moved when you pressed a button.

I like the look of the Cybermen in the latest DR Who comics(in D.W.M.), Kind of like a modern version of the old ones cant remember who the artist is though!!
I always thought the Daleks and Cybermen were at constant war but they hit a stalemate where neither side was able to destroy ther other(I may be wrong just working off 20 year old memories here)

CU Krestel

lets not forget a few special appearances by old doctors eh eh eh or even a 'oops, wait here a moment' as someone in a big hat and huge scarf walks past eh eh eh

Surely an Invasion of The Dinosaurs episode is a must.  The Beeb have got all of the technology to do it now as seen in Walking with Dinosaurs and The Lost World they showed a couple of Christmases back (the allosaurus attack on the village was great stuff).  

I reckon that Daleks, Cybermen, The Master, Zygons and the Giant Robot are the only villains the general public will remember (and they won't remember the name of the Zygons, just the great design).

Still got a soft spot for Giant Spiders though...

Kretrel,

The Daleks and the Movellans were at constant war but equally constant stalemate. Both were too robotic and logical, meaning they predicted the other's moves.

The Daleks therefore tried to ressurect Davros, who they bumped off as surplus to requirements previously, so he could introduce random organic thought into them.

As told in the splediferous "Destiny of the Daleks" (starring The Quarry in a reprise of its role as "The Alien Planet").

The Movellans looked human and wore Buck Rogers cast off uniforms and dreadlocks, yet were all robot. Oddly, the fact that the Dalkes looking like robots but were organic inside was never considered.

The Daleks and Cybermen have never met in the programme. Dunno about comics or books. I expect the reason for this was more budgetary than anything else.

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The Movellans looked human and wore Buck Rogers cast off uniforms and dreadlocks, yet were all robot. Oddly, the fact that the Dalkes looking like robots but were organic inside was never considered.


Yes it was. See "Destiny of the Daleks" when the Movellans introduced a deadly virus into the war, nearly killing all yer Daleks.

Giant Robot? Hmm, don't remember that one. I remember giant plant monsters. Damn, now I have an urge to watch all the old ones. Well, maybe a few choice ones. Certainly all the Dalek ones.

What was that "man in a shiny suit" thing that managed to kill some Cybermen before disappearing in a non-convincing way? Anyone remember that? Must have been a relatively new one, Colin Baker most likely.

That be the Raston Robot. Peter Davison, actually, although Jon Pertwee that encountered it during The Five Doctors.

For the record, I'd hate to a see a Dalek/Cyberman face off. Ain't enough tissues on the whole of Gallifrey to wipe up that kind of fan wank.

Ahhh, yes indeed. Must be the 5 Doctors I'm remembering, or both. Um well, yeah, there weren't 5 until Peter Davison. But reading back I see that's exactly what you meant.

Don't look at the Bad wolf episode thread , some twat's gone and spoilerised the next episode like a cunt- did the twat use spoiler tags, did he hell!- unless you onn't mind the ep mbeing spoilerised

Conexus - Am I missing something?  Can't see any spoilers there, certainly nothing to deserve the c word...

Yeah, saw that.  I was expecting this 'twist'- but still annoying to have it confirmed...

>:(

If you don't want it spoiled don't read the BBC site either. At least it has a spoiler warning though :o) But they're still c...

Aaaargh, also The Sun today, which someone just told me about. Oh, the Sun's got a picture of...

Bah!

NO - I was thinking of a big silver stompy robot from a Tom Baker episode I think. It grew to be gigantic for some reason.


Blimey - it's going to be hard enough to avoid who spoilers before transmission but I'm away to Amsterdam for the weekend and have a gig on Sunday night so I've got to avoid them for two days after the broadcast as well - until I can watch the video.  Aaargh - I feel like Rodney Bewes and James Bolam all combined...

ah, well I guess the rumours of the new spoilers (which Ive managed to avoid so far)have given weight to the finale guesses that have been bandied about the net for the last few weeks.  is nowhere safe?

but please, BRING BACK THE DRACONIANS!  

The Draconians were a criminally underused race of 'villians'.
Though Terrance Dicks did write a novel with them in it a few years ago.

I say bring back the Kandyman.The ones with him in may have been the first Doctor Who I ever saw.

I have to say... He looks like some depraved cross between Bertie Basset and the monopoly man...

I love him! :D

He's a formidable adversary as well... that episode was the one which pretty much killed off Old Who for good...

Tarenteno does 'Who...
dum-dum-de-dum-diddly-dum!

Link: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v109/Thepreacher667/cybermenletsgotowork.bmp

try again...

Or what about this?
Bit to "grungy" for the Cybermen in my opinion.

Cyberbloke "we will make you like us"
Me "wot I get to have a funt off big gun as my left hand???"
Cyberbloke "um..well yes"
me "sign me up!"

Woah, too far cyberdudes!

Cheers

Paul

I'll be interested to see what they make of the Cybermen this time round. Design-wise, it seems more open than the daleks, in that they've been fairly substantially tinkered with throughout their history. I saw a clip from "Tenth Planet" the other day, and I was impressed at how effective that original design was, it's so bizarre compared to their later incarnations, and the sing-song voice adds to that. I'd be quite happy if they were taken back to something closer to their origins. In a way I guess they're a product of extreme plastic surgery gone wrong, which strikes me as perfect RTD material :)

the Movellans stuck in my memory partly because of the tights and dreadlocks, partly because they demonstrated the limitations of robot thinking by playing 'scissors-paper-stone' with each other and choosing 'stone' each time. This was supposed to illustrate the reason why they had a stalemate with the Daleks; both too cautious and logical. Both choosing 'scissors' would have been just as logical; there is no safe move in that game.
(nitpicking mode off) Cybermen back- good! Daleks not back - bah! Movellans back, alrighty!

Didn't they use some waffle about "Battle computers" to get around Daleks not being robots? And then they did up Davros, who's advice is presumably "attack attack ATTACK ATTACK!"

If the Movellans are coming back, then there's hope for a new Boney M album.

I remember that bit very well.  I was often out playing on Summer days, but I remember seeing that one, and the paper cuts stone thing, which still doesn't make much sense to me 20 years later.

partly because they demonstrated the limitations of robot thinking by playing 'scissors-paper-stone' with each other and choosing 'stone' each time.

I don't see how they've ended up with a stalemate against the Daleks if they're playing rock-paper-scissors, either - I mean, it's not like a Dalek can put its arm behind its back anyway, AND it'd always end up in an arguement about what exactly a plunger would beat.

Of course, that's why they needed Davros back - his one functioning hand could do paper easily, thus easily defeating the fiending Movellans and their rock-choosing antics. Hurrah for Davros!

Lobo that is the funniest post I've read in ages!
...Mind you I have been in hospital recently.
Lol.

Hmm.... I don't remember the Movellans coming up with 'stone' every time. I thought that, bizarrely, they made identical choices in every round of 'scissors, paper, stone' they played; which illustrated why they and the Daleks were unable to outwit one another strategically. Neither side in the war took chances that could gain them an advantage. That's why the Daleks needed Davros.

Cybermen are cool. Maybe the reason they and the Daleks have never gone for all-out war is that the Cybermen don't represent much of a threat to Dalek plans for universal conquest. I'm not sure the Cybermen's expansionist plans are on the same scale as the Daleks', the Sontarans', the Movellans' or even Humanity's.

Any thoughts, Dr who fans? Are the cybermen mostly concerned with increasing their numbers to create an army approaching formidable proportions, while trying to evade total existinction?

I do believe you're right. They're a nasty bunch, but they tended to be only ever after getting Earth back from that mob of upstart apes.

Actually what would be good I think, is a Silurians/sea devils episode set in the prehsitoric past (wot where they came from don't ya know) and have loads of dinosaurs in.  Possibly too ambitious even today, but the technology is there for TV work.

They were about before the cyberman, and really have a problem with apes taking over their world.

The Cybermen's military campaigns have always seemed a bit desperate. When their home world, Mondas, was destroyed they tried to take over the Earth, but were stopped more than once. They retreated to a giant deep freeze chamber on the planet Telos (hoping for a better day for it?). Then they had a few more goes at Earth, pausing to try and destroy the asteroid Vega which was full of gold; and eventually ended up having a go at another deep freeze planet populated by crystalline amphibians played by Sarah Greene and Faith Brown. And then had another couple of goes at Earth again.

What I mean is, I don't think the Cybermen could afford to take on the Daleks.

Never really understood the Cybermen's need to freeze themselves. Yeah, they're partly organic, but surely there are better ways for a predominantly cybernetic life form to get some shut eye?

Were Cybermats once their faithful pets?

Note, I'm not accusing Cyber-Matt of being in collusion with Cyberman.

Cybermats seemed to exist as espionage agents for the Cybermen to carry out surveillance and sabotage without revealing their hand too quickly. Chiefly useful for administering poison by injection.

Yeah, but wot I'm saying is, were they once creatures too, who had been cyberised.   I wonder what pet they were?  Gerbils?

Were Cybermats once their faithful pets?

Oh, I'm with you now: like the ancient Egyptians mumifying cats, ibises and scarabs to take with them?

Funny! But I think the cybermats were, um, just robots.

I think they started out as cotton reels with a pencil stuck through them, and a cardboard shell over the top, pulled along by a thread. Clearly this simple childs diversion was so appealing to the Cyber men that they felt the need to cyber it up.

I think there was a book that revealed the Cybermats as rats or something.