Yep, it's that time again!
With the Rebellion guys currently deciding on a schedule for next years' Trade Paperbacks, I thought it would be cool to start a new and definitive requests thread.
So, to start, here's mine:
Dredd:
More Case Files Please!
The Art of Jock Collection (Dredd/Lenny Zero)
The Complete Taxidermist
Blood Trails
Mandroid
The Complete Necropolis (and i mean COMPLETE - everything from Bloodline right up to Return of the king)
The Complete Doomsday (everything from Bad Frendz to The Cal Legacy)
The Complete Mechanismo
Dead Ringer (arc)
Anthology titles collecting the best of recent dredd (Mad City, Simple Domestic, Fast Food, La Placa Rifa, First Of The Many, Bury my knee at wounded heart, Howler, Awayday, Death Of A Legend, In The Year 2120, No More Jimmy Deans, Termination With Extreme Prejudice, Slow Crime Day, Lawcon, Citizen Sump, Out Of The Undercity etc
Dante: Book Five
The Simping Detective
Mazeworld
Mercy Heights/Tor Cyan
Savage
The Ten Seconders
Button Man: Books 1-4
Zenith: Phases 1-4 (yeah yeah, i know it's not likely)
Stronts: Case Files style complete B+W stronts.
The Kreelman Conspiracy
Atavar: Book 3
Lobster Random: Books 2-3
Shakara: Book 2
The VCs: BW series to present
Cabalistics Inc.: Book 2
Slaine: Case Files style BW Slaine up to Horned God
And For EEs:
I Was a teenage tax consultant
Purgatory/Inferno
Time Flies
Strontium Dogs (for which i expect a kicking)
Not asking too much is it?
More requests please!!!
The Complete Necropolis (and i mean COMPLETE - everything from Bloodline right up to Return of the king)
Damn where do i place my order
'Damn where do i place my order'
In the future shop in about a years time, fingers crossed!
I'm talkin':
Bloodline
The Dead Man
A Letter To Judge Dredd
Tale of The Dead Man
By Lethal Injection
Rights Of Ascension
Dear Annie
Necropolis
Theatre Of Death
Nightmares
Return Of the King
Perhaps spread over two/three books
Now that's good eatin'
But doesn't Bloodline follow on directly from Oz? Which itself relies on The Midnight Surfer. Which, etc...
Case Files 10 through 15 should just about sort you out.
Would be nice especially if it was split to be read like John planned.
1) ?Bloodline? - 583 to 584.
2) 'The Shooting Match' - Prog 650
3) 'A Letter To Judge Dredd' - Prog 661
4) 'Tale Of The Dead Man' - Prog 662 ? 668
5) 'Countdown To Necropolis' - Prog 669 ? 673
(By Lethal Injection ? Prog 669 ? 670. Rights of Succession ? Prog 671. Dear Annie ? Prog 672 ? 673)
6) 'Necropolis' - Prog 674 - 684
7) 'The Dead Man' - Prog 650 - 662
8) 'Necropolis' - Prog 685 - 699
I make it sould like one big plan but the Necropolis & Dead Man threads make more sense when split.
I like the fact that this was the way that John (can I call him John? Calling him Wagner makes him sound a tad too Teutonic) originally planned the Necropolis sequence.
I would deffo like to see this reprinted in this manner.
Saying that and going out on a tangent I'm glad that it published in the sequence it was originally.
My all time favourite 2000ad moment was the fact that Dredd was you know who. This led to me quickly reread the whole Dead Man story and I picked up on details like the Dead Man's eyes being not right, not natural. Kudos to John Ridgeway for the square looking eyes he drew.
Which reminds me Whatever happened to Dredd when he brought law to the Cursed Earth for those one hundred days before the Sisters of Death arrived?
I'd like to see the following as TPs...
The Red Seas - I stand by the opinon that reprinting the first arc of The Red Seas as a Euro Trade was a major mistake. There was more then enough material for a TP at the time of it's publication, and it would have sold like hot cakes. But as it's an over priced, clunky HC....meh. So, please Rebellion, as much as it's going to suck for those who got the HC, just put out a TP for it's next release.
The V.C.s - Probibly split into two volumes. With the original and the first book of Abbnet's run in the first volume (both Black and White, so it keeps the cost down), and the rest in the second. As I love the V.C.s, having a complete collection would rock.
Lobster Random - Is in a similar situation as with The Red Seas, but it's original HC release was much much longer ago. So it wouldn't sting as much to just make the jump to a TP collection.
Shakara - I'm beginning to see a pattern here. Am I the only one who just hates Euro Trades, period? Anyway, whith Shakara, wait for Book 3 (there's going to be a book 3 sometime, right?) then put it all together.
Besides that...odds and ends, but for the most part Rebellion has been serving us some damn fine TP collections. Keep it up Rebellion, I need more.
MORE!
I don't like hardbacks, and find them very expensive. Doesn't stop me buying them mind *tsk* idiot!
:: Am I the only one who just hates Euro Trades, period?
I think it depends on the story and the page count (and perhaps the art, to some extent). I agree that printing the three stories you mentioned as Euro hard-backs was a major error?I'm sure The Red Seas would have done far better as a chunky softback. However, there are some stories that work well in the hard-back format: the new Sl?ine stuff, for example. Also, one-shots with pretty much no chance of a follow-up, and with art that really, really works better at full size are good hard-back fodder (such as the excellent Leviathan).
That said, with the sole exception of the new Sl?ine stuff, I wouldn't give a monkey's?flying or otherwise?if the hard-backs were retired entirely, in favour of a combination of soft-backs and chunky b/w editions. It's notable that the new Durham Red volume is now in soft-back, though.
I don't buy hard backs, cost too much and too easy to damage(either the book or your self) when reading, ever woken up with a hard cover novel embedded in your face!!
CU Radbacker
Does anybody know whether the Dredd Case Files are going to cover the full colour Dredd stories, or will they stop at the end of the black and white material?
I don't think this issue has been addressed yet.
I'd guess a years worth of colour stories in a graphic novel would cost a bit more than black and white, not that I'd mind.
Hi-Ex
Does anybody know whether the Dredd Case Files are going to cover the colour Dredd stories, or will they stop at the end of the black and white material?
I don't think this issue has been addressed yet.
I'd guess a years worth of colour stories in a graphic novel would cost a bit more than black and white, not that I'd mind.
Hi-Ex
Personaly, I wouldn't mind it continuing in Black and White. Like the DC/Marvel Essentials/Showcase books. The Case Files should worry about collecting the content for easy reading, putting the color strips into black and white doesn't really hurt that goal. If any stories are of serious note that should be printed in color, put out a color TP collecting that particular story.
Haven't the Case Files already printed stories have color spreads in B&W? I'm not sure, I have no originals to compare, but I'm pretty sure I've seen colored double pages from The Cursed Earth somewhere....
Nah, I'd want them in colour as the artist intended. I don't care what the price is.
Pete.
I'm afraid the problem with continuing in black and white is that unlike the Essentials/Showcase series, or the centerspreads in 2000 AD which we've already seen printed in B/W (Cursed Earth), much of Dredd's color art in the 1990s is painted and it just won't reproduce well at all, especially on the paper. The paper used for the original printing was bad enough - Charlie Adlard's art on the second Armitage series comes to mind, I mean you have to examine it directly under a hundred-watt bulb to make anything out - and it leaves an image that can't be successfully scanned from, unless it's one of those rare artists like Siku who used lots of very bright colors.
If you've got Essential Moon Knight, have a look at the bad reproduction on the Hulk Magazine strips, and imagine that problem magnified by about a power of ten.
A... YEAR??! There is NO God.
Could someone perhaps make a poll on the issue of the Dredd Case Files/colour issue? I don't know how.
In the meantime, any more suggestions for reprints, anyone? C'mon!
Song of the sky surfer...
On many occasions my curiosity has been aroused by the pictures of the Metalzoic covers that i've seen in the old annuals. Was this series any good, and if so is it long enough to make an EE?
"On many occasions my curiosity has been aroused by the pictures of the Metalzoic covers"
Metalzoic is owned by DC I think, either way, if it was reprinted then a glorious colour euro hardback would be the only way to do it justice. A lovely one off book.
I've had an idea for something called the 2000AD Files, we could reprint all of the comic in weekly chunks, say five stories an installment and let it run for 30 years. Actually we could even drop the 'Files' bit. A sure fire winner!
A big "fuck, no" to greyscale reprints of colour art. It's acceptable for reprints of early B&W stories with colour centrespreads as there really is no economic way around that problem - printing a mixed colour & B&W collection would be a nightmare, I'm sure, and it would likely be reflected in the cover price. However, once you hit the full-colour strips you should be able to switch to shorter colour collections and still maintain a decent page count & price point.
If Rebellion keep up the reprint rate, we should run into this problem sometime toward the end of 2007 which gives them plenty of time to consider what options there are. I'd certainly be happy to carry on buying the series if it halved the page count but reprinted those Dredd tales in full colour, but I'm not prepared to pay for greyscale reprints of these stories just for the convenience of having them on my bookshelf in semi-readable form.
Picked up the Metalzoic book just recently. Great story & art but the colouring is just awful, much better in black & white.
When did Dredd go to full colour? Was it 650?
Full color from 589-625, BW for 10 weeks, then color again from 636.
The first DC printing of Metalzoic was a stand alone novel and it is beautiful, glad I have it.
Link: metally
Now there's nothing wrong with Kevin O'Neill, but just imagine if Bill Sienkiewicz could have drawn it all.
No way can I prefer Bill to Kev, Kev's robots are way more mental and sinister lookin'. Think Nemesis.
If you want mental and sinister looking robots, try Stray Toasters. Well, I think they're meant to be robots.
Ah, yes?that's the one I have, nabbed off of eBay a while back. The book's not in perfect condition, but it's still decent enough, and it's a great tale, too.
Stray Toasters, a book I've been trying to track down since hearing the Creaming Jesus tune of the same name...
Maybe an ebay search is in order, next week when I'm a bit less overdrawn...
Logan, can you explain why Necropolis reads better that way? Can't see it myself...
I always assumed 'Dead Man' was meant to be read directly before 'Tale of the dead man', not halfway through 'Necropolis'.
Would they be easier done in b/w then?
Once you've read it once and you know that Dredd is the dead man then I presume that splitting the stories means that its more of a linear timeline instead of keep jumping from story to story. Will have to dig out the Progs to refresh my memory on where the splis happen.
Changing the whole Necropolis / Dead Man arc so that it follows a strict chronological order makes about as much sense as re-editing Pulp Fiction so that it does the same: in other words, no sense at all.
I'm probably wrong, but it sounds like you're claiming insider knowledge of John Wagner's mind that suggests that 2000AD's biggest and best leftfield moment was an editorial decision that went against the plans of the writer.
Shurely not.
No, I make it sound like it would be collected one day and the shock of the dead man identity wouldn?t be an issue. No longer a spoiler moment the story can run chronologically.
Plus it just repeats what was written in an feature in one of the Dredd yearbooks and not just me grabbing something out of thin air.
Not read it for a while, but as I remember the Dead Man's identity was blatantly obvious from the first or second episode. The big question was how he'd ended up in that situation in the first place.
I didn't get his identity till the clue about the eyes - and even then it was only a hunch. No idea what episode that was in, though.
Canon fodder even as an e.e I still cannot believe this little gem hasen't been reprinted ever.
Also Zenith but I don't think that'll ever happen now sadly
For what it's worth, I think it would be great to have all those stories in one book in an order that makes for a good complete read of the saga.
I don't claim to entirely understand it, but amazon have just sent me an offer where if I place an order for ?20+ I get a voucher for ?5 of another order, with various time limits. Could be handy for getting some of these books, but I'm still trying to get my head round it, and I haven't read the small print.
The terms are that if you spend more than ?20 on the site before P&P, between May 23 and June 5, you'll get a five-quid promotional code emailed to you. You can then redeem this against any ?20+ purchase made before June 26. Multiple ?20 purchases prior to June 5 seem to get a voucher each. It seems that a ?40+ order still only gets one voucher, not two.
Because I'm bored at the moment, I decided to put together my "dream" 2007 line-up, based partly on my own wishes (hence the first volume of Luke Kirby and rebooting some series as soft-backs), likely forthcoming titles (the Irving collection), existing series by the end of 2006 (Shakara, Nemesis, etc.), and trying to balance Dredd (which I reduced to bi-monthly releases, alternating between Case Files and colour collections) with everything else. It has to be said, it's a tricky task trying to balance everything, and I don't envy Jon's having to second-guess what people think they want and what they'll actually buy (which aren't the same thing). Anyway, here's my effort (which largely sums up all my wants/suggestions for next year, too, so it is relevant to the thread!):
Jan: Sam Slade: The Slaying of Slade; Jugde Dredd: The Complete Mechanismo
Feb: Caballistics, Inc. vol. 2; Sl?ine: Books of Invasions: vol. 3 /HB
Mar: Judge Dredd: The Complete case files 07; Durham Red: The Empty Suns
Apr: Strontium Dog: vol. 3; The Frazer Irving Collection (ALLB, etc.)
May: Judge Dredd: Mandroid; The Complete Nemesis the Warlock: Volume 2
Jun: The Red Seas (soft-back - series reboot); Lobster Random, book 2 /HB
Jul: The Journal of Luke Kirby, vol. 1; Judge Dredd: The Complete Case Files 08
Aug: Strontium Dog: vol. 4; Cursed Earth Koburn
Sep: Judge Dredd: the Art of Jock (includes Lenny Zero); The Complete Nemesis the Warlock: Volume 3
Oct: Shakara: book 2 /HB; The Judge Anderson Case Files: volume 1 (series reboot)
Nov: Judge Dredd: The Complete Case Files 09; The Complete Button Man
Dec: The Simping Detective; Ace Trucking, vol 1
Not bad...
Jan - Yep, I'd go with that. Ties up Robo-Hunter perfectly and offers up a classic Dredd tale in complete form.
Feb - A second volume of Cabs would be good, hopefully seeing in a new series. IIRC, the third Slaine volume would also complete the Books of Invasion and leave Rebellion free to look at other Slaine stories (the early B&W is still in need of a complete reprint)
Mar - More Dredd & the end of the Durham Red reprints (although a fourth volume would cover the early Harrison strips quite nicely)
Apr - No complaints there
May - Throw Warzone into that Dredd reprint and I'd go for it. A second Nemesis volume would cover pretty much all of the earlier stuff and bring us up to Hickleton's work on The Two Torquemada's, wouldn't it?
Jun - Depends what you mean by reboot... If you mean Euro paperback, that's cool, but I really would prefer it not to shift to the US format. Price it down to ?7, collect the second & third stories & you've got a reasonable collection. More Lob in hardback would be OK, but it's another strip I feel could be shifted to Euro paperback & lose a couple of quid on the cover price.
Jul - Definitely up for that. Luke Kirby is something I'd love to revisit in collected form.
Aug - Koburn would be excellent, and there should be enough material by then for a decent-sized US format collection. I hope Stront becomes that regular, especially as it's languished for so long - it would only take half-a-dozen books to reprint pretty much all of the prog material, anyway.
Sep - The Art of Jock is probably the simplest way to get Zero out there, along with a couple of other great little tales, so I'd go for that. The third volume of Nemesis should wrap the series up by my count.
Oct - More Shakara is good, and as it's so infrequent and such gorgeous art, a high-quality hardback collection is something I could go for. The Anderson Case Files is an interesting idea, and even though the series has been started I'd be happy to see it rebooted to go that route instead. Nice one.
Nov - Nah, can't agree with the Complete Button Man idea (I'm assuming you mean put it out in US format). I think it's one of the few strips that deserves a Euro reprint, especially having seen the results with the first book. Also, wouldn't the fact that it's creator-owned mean the cover price of a chunky great collection could be quite steep? The first book was ?18, IIRC.
Dec - No complaints (well, just that I've been waiting for an Ace Trucking collection for ages, and if it was next December before I saw one I'd be a bit miffed ;-) )
Not a bad dream lineup, though, and if the 2007 schedule did look something like that I'd be pretty chuffed.
What I'd like to see is a Dreddworld book in three of four months. So leading off from your idea, I'd put my list together like this:
Jan 07: Dredd: Complete Mechanismo / Robo-Hunter v4: Slaying of Slade
Feb 07: Dredd: Complete Case Files 07 / Caballistics Inc v2
Mar 07: Anderson v2 / Slaine Books of Invasion v3
Apr 07: Complete Stainless Steel Rat / Durham Red v3: Empty Suns
May 07: Dredd: Mandroid / Strontium Dog v3
Jun 07: Dredd: Complete Case Files 08 / Frazer Irving Collection
Jul 07: Devlin Waugh v2 corrected reissue / Complete Nemesis v2
Aug 07: Red Seas v1 / Lobster Random v1 (both in Rainbow Spine format)
Sep 07: Dredd: Art of Jock / Complete Al's Baby
Oct 07: Dredd: Complete Case Files 09 / Nikolai Dante v5
Nov 07: Cursed Earth Koburn / Sinister Dexter v4
Dec 07: Complete Nemesis v3 / Button Man v2 HB
Where do we stand with Sin/Dex and Dante collections in 2007?
Well, Tsar Wars is out this year, and that should tie up Dante for the moment. IIRC, there's enough for a fifth volume of the series right now, but I think it can safely sit on the back burner while other strips get the reprint treatment (and it gives Robbie Morrison another year to find something worthwhile for Dante to be doing...)
There have been no new announcements about Sin/Dex, but I hope Rebellion have a fourth volume planned. It would bring the series up to the conclusion of Eurocrash and that would be a rather neat place to leave it. If there was demand for further collections, then it could pick up fro that point, but if not then that story is a reasonably satisfying conclusion to the reprints (just as stopping Rogue Trooper at To the Ends of Nu Earth would have been pretty satisfying, even if it wasn't a total reprint)
From what was said it seems Sin Dex weren't big sellers. I wonder if reaching the already becomming legendary Euro Crash would boost sales?
I'd by Eurocrash in a heart beat.
I love Sinister Dexter so would be a little upset if they didn't run the books to the end, just for completions sake! My memory is shot but I am I right in thinking they could wrap it up in another book, two tops?
Nope. One more book would wrap up the strip to the conclusion of Eurocrash, but if you wanted to reprint everything since then I'd guess it would take at least another two collections (I might check later...)
That leaves aside the fact that the books as they are aren't complete anyway, as all three are missing stories...
Well, I would buy them, but I know they've never been the most popular characters. Which is strange considering they've been in roughly 3000000 issues. I may have miscounted that too though.
Sin/Dex is odd because there seems to be two kinds.
Filler Sin/Dex goes from Mediocier to Bad.
Where as Meta-Plot Sin/Dex is pretty much steller.
It' a Love/Hate thing. I want more trades because I want to know the plot between Slay Per View and Bullet Train.
Since they already cut some of the "repeat filler" stuff from the previous volumes, why not cut the next trades down to absolute nessisarly plot episodes, and keep the filler to a min.
Maybe the quality of Sin/Dex depends on the Abnett clone scribing the strip at any given moment...
I mean, they can't *all* be good... Can they?!
I'd like to see a book of either ALL the Skizz stories or just a book of Skizz III, which I really liked
I want "the collected Helltrekkers".
Hey can someone clear this up...
Am i right in thinking that vol 1 and 2 of the complete case files are Cursed Earth and Judge Cal sagas'
Thanks
:: Am i right in thinking that vol 1 and 2 of the complete case
:: files are Cursed Earth and Judge Cal sagas'
Nope. Both of those epics are in Case Files 2. Case Files 1 has pre-Cursed Earth stories (including Robot Wars).
Nope. Volume 1 collects all of the stories up to The Cursed Earth, including the Dredd proto-epic, Robot Wars. Volume 2 collects The Cursed Earth, The Day the Law Died and a host of other stories.
Forgot to mention:
How many Dredd Case Files are they planning on doing? Will Apocalypse War and Oz, Necropolis etc. be printed in this format?
No-one outside of Rebellion knows how long they intend to carry on with the series. Volume 6 has been announced for November this year, and that would reprint a year's worth of stories post-Apocalypse War.
I'd say it's a relatively safe bet that all of the B&W Dredd stories from the prog will appear in this format, but I'm not sure what will happen once they hit the colour stories. Hopefully they'll continue with slimmer, full-colour reprints, but I'd imagine that depends on the cost of reprinting those stories & the sales of the books by that point.
Plus, y'know, Inferno.
(Fate, Voice of Negativity)
I said it last week and I'll say it again! I will buy Inferno in collected form! Just make sure Purgatory is in the same book.
Script - Dodgy
Art - Carlos (Nothing more to be said...)
Bloody Hell, just saw the ad for case Files 04 in the new Meg (246). Looks like Rebellion are recycling the Dredd image from the cover of Case Files 01 for the cover of Case Files 04.
With nearly 29 years of Dredd history, there's not exactly a shortage of art they could have choosen for the cover. Grrrr...!
While the Gibson(?) Dredd from the cover of case Files 01 is representative of the Dredd in those first stories, it's not really representative of the Dredd in the Judge Child Quest and other stories published in case Files 04.
It's my feeling, that each volume of Case Files should have a Dredd image on the cover representative of that period of Dredd history.
For those who have not seen the ad yet, the color of the cover of Case Files 04 is blue.
I just think it is very cheeky of Rebellion to recycle the cover image so soon.
Hi-Ex
Uh, I'm fairly sure it's just a place holder. I assume this, as Vol.5 and 6 also have that image on the 2000AD TP Website (see below)
I'm pretty sure only the color is acurate.
Link: 2000AD TP Coming Soon Section
Ah, that's good then.
Hi-Ex
Yeah - both Case files 2 and 3 had the casefiles 1 Gibson Dredd on them as a mockup until nearer their release
Case files 4:
Bolland?
Smith?
Think it should really be one of those gents, preferably Bolland, as we are approaching his last work on the strip.
Bolt-01
Although it's probably unnecessary, I can confirm that's the case. All of the Case Files books initially have the exact same front covers, with only the colours changing. I've been told a new CF4 cover's soon to be on its way to be, whereupon I'll update the TPB site accordingly (moving the June books to their own pages).
A closer look at the "coming soon" page should enable everyone to discover a bunch of other placeholders, too. The most obvious of these is Portrait of a Mutant, which still sports the 2000 AD logo used during the DC/Rebellion deal. Apparently, the Nemesis cover may change, too, integrating O'Neill-like border designs.
Presumably, the combination of EE's and Reprints will mean that eventually Rebellion will have a COMPLETE digital archive of everything 2000ad that has ever seen print.
(although they prioritise the stories that are more easily reprinted/sellable)
This can only be a good thing, at the end of the day.
The archive is completely digital from Prog 1200 and as the rest of the archive gets digitised my archive will become a thing of he past and consumed by the galactic black hole waste bin in the corner of the Nerve Centre.
Don't throw anything out, just send them to me.