Title: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Marbles on 25 May, 2006, 08:08:42 PM
Post by: Marbles on 25 May, 2006, 08:08:42 PM
I know there are a few fellow WW2 groupies/saddoes out there, so thought I'd pass on this website I found recently.
Nothing to do with comics btw, everything to do with Krupp-steel monsters smashing their way through the untermensch on the Soviet Steppe :)
Nothing to do with comics btw, everything to do with Krupp-steel monsters smashing their way through the untermensch on the Soviet Steppe :)
Link: Achtung Panzer
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: +rufus+ on 25 May, 2006, 08:55:16 PM
Post by: +rufus+ on 25 May, 2006, 08:55:16 PM
Cooool.
I love Panzers...
I want a King Tiger Panzer when I grow up..
:-) Rufus
I love Panzers...
I want a King Tiger Panzer when I grow up..
:-) Rufus
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: johnnystress on 25 May, 2006, 09:13:48 PM
Post by: johnnystress on 25 May, 2006, 09:13:48 PM
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 25 May, 2006, 09:44:52 PM
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 25 May, 2006, 09:44:52 PM
I maintain that everyone is a WW2 groupie/saddo, even if they don't know it yet/refuse to accept it/brutally supress it deep within them each and every day.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Art on 25 May, 2006, 10:05:47 PM
Post by: Art on 25 May, 2006, 10:05:47 PM
The Tank musuem in Munster, Germany, is pretty ace.
German war museums in general are pretty good, obviously they have a lot of AXIS vehicles, but even more interestingly they inherited tons of stuff from the soviets after reunification so their Cold-War sections are really good too.
German war museums in general are pretty good, obviously they have a lot of AXIS vehicles, but even more interestingly they inherited tons of stuff from the soviets after reunification so their Cold-War sections are really good too.
Link: http://www.munster.de/pzm/content/kontakt/english.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Art on 25 May, 2006, 10:07:29 PM
Post by: Art on 25 May, 2006, 10:07:29 PM
Russian Tank Museums are a little scary, and they will quite probably shoot you for infringing the rules. However they'd probably let you drive one home if you bribed them with enough vodka.
Link: The rules
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Funt Solo on 25 May, 2006, 10:14:45 PM
Post by: Funt Solo on 25 May, 2006, 10:14:45 PM
Classic quote from Art's link there:
"Please, read carefully this information for the model makers and journalists:
The Russian military officials DO NOT LIKE the model makers."
"Please, read carefully this information for the model makers and journalists:
The Russian military officials DO NOT LIKE the model makers."
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Art on 25 May, 2006, 10:27:31 PM
Post by: Art on 25 May, 2006, 10:27:31 PM
Any attempts of the citizens of NO Russian Federation (including former-USSR) to visit museum with the Russian visitors could be qualified as the UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS. The violator could be accused in the ESPIONAGE. In all halls there're the video-camera control and the FSB (former KGB) officials. Any attempts to leave your travel agent representative and to visit the next military instantiation area could be qualified as the unauthorized access too.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: scutfink on 25 May, 2006, 10:53:17 PM
Post by: scutfink on 25 May, 2006, 10:53:17 PM
The officer, your visit curator, could translate you into English (small tips 5-10 $, the drink etc. are welcome).
That Vodka's no bribe, it's an accepted form of currency...
That Vodka's no bribe, it's an accepted form of currency...
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Tanky on 26 May, 2006, 03:57:36 PM
Post by: Tanky on 26 May, 2006, 03:57:36 PM
Ooh! Look at all the shiny artillery! Lovely lovely lovely!
slightly off topic, but as good a place to ask as any...
I have this pipe dream of doing the Gumball rally in a tank. If anyone's able to answer any of the following questions, I'll be that little bit closer. So:
1. Is it possible to obtain a tank driving license without joining the army?
2. Does 'road legal' involve anything more than rubber tracks and decommissioning (sp) the guns?
3. What tank? (Best fictional consumer mag ever!) A Challenger 2 is the vehicle of choice, but with a 6ltr engine and a top speed of 60ish, that's a long, expensive trip.
Over to you, tank afficionados. Charge!
Luv tanky x
slightly off topic, but as good a place to ask as any...
I have this pipe dream of doing the Gumball rally in a tank. If anyone's able to answer any of the following questions, I'll be that little bit closer. So:
1. Is it possible to obtain a tank driving license without joining the army?
2. Does 'road legal' involve anything more than rubber tracks and decommissioning (sp) the guns?
3. What tank? (Best fictional consumer mag ever!) A Challenger 2 is the vehicle of choice, but with a 6ltr engine and a top speed of 60ish, that's a long, expensive trip.
Over to you, tank afficionados. Charge!
Luv tanky x
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: +rufus+ on 26 May, 2006, 05:11:47 PM
Post by: +rufus+ on 26 May, 2006, 05:11:47 PM
Scorpion light tank would be just the Ticket Ma'am. And they trundle along happily on roads, with their rubberized tracks.
I've seen ads were you can drive them about in the country for the day...so I'm sure you could hijack one.
Me, I want a Soviet T72.
Big jobs...
:-) Rufus
I've seen ads were you can drive them about in the country for the day...so I'm sure you could hijack one.
Me, I want a Soviet T72.
Big jobs...
:-) Rufus
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: longmanshort on 26 May, 2006, 05:21:12 PM
Post by: longmanshort on 26 May, 2006, 05:21:12 PM
For me, I'd always go for the Swedish Stridsvagn 10 "S-Tank" which has the best suspension of any tank, it's light, can go backwards as fast as it can go forwards, and has a decent range.
Link: There's no turret!
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 May, 2006, 07:40:10 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 May, 2006, 07:40:10 PM
I'm qualified to crew a tank so put me down for one of the places. Even a rickety ol Chieftain has a 1000L fuel tank and a range of around 500KM's, go for the challenger and it huge turbos and your really going to have a big fuel bill.
To drive one you just need a track license.
To drive one you just need a track license.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Funt Solo on 26 May, 2006, 08:05:48 PM
Post by: Funt Solo on 26 May, 2006, 08:05:48 PM
I hope that over-zealous border guards don't blow you up.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 May, 2006, 11:06:05 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 May, 2006, 11:06:05 PM
I'd still go for Challenger with its 6 forward & 4 reverse gears, computer controlled so any idiot can drive one.
If its luxury you want then it'd have to be between the Leopard II or the Abrahams and I'd go for the Leopard II.
If its luxury you want then it'd have to be between the Leopard II or the Abrahams and I'd go for the Leopard II.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Art on 26 May, 2006, 11:31:58 PM
Post by: Art on 26 May, 2006, 11:31:58 PM
I always thought these looked kind of cool...
Link: http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/ta
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 27 May, 2006, 12:23:47 AM
Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 27 May, 2006, 12:23:47 AM
This was a popular one in the eighties...used in the Last Crusade.
A brief history of the tank down there too.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: W. R. Logan on 27 May, 2006, 01:00:18 AM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 27 May, 2006, 01:00:18 AM
To be really boring thats a great hull for getting a low profile to engage the enemy.
Having lived in tanks and having 1st hand experience of how little room you have I'm always amazed that the Merkava can also carry 8 infantrymen.
The revolving 10 round mag also sounds like being the loader is a cushy job.
Having lived in tanks and having 1st hand experience of how little room you have I'm always amazed that the Merkava can also carry 8 infantrymen.
The revolving 10 round mag also sounds like being the loader is a cushy job.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Dounreay on 27 May, 2006, 01:07:39 AM
Post by: Dounreay on 27 May, 2006, 01:07:39 AM
Achtung panzer is indeed a great site, panzers and tanks in general being endlessly fascinating, closely followed by early Cold War US aircraft.
But you can keep your modern tanks, nothing beats the Panther for sheer coolness.
Dunno if its still there but there used to be a Jagdpanther in the Imperial War Museum. One side was cut away so you could get a keek inside. The other side had a neat 3 inch hole that looked as if it had been melted through the armour. I still wonder if that was the one that got it...
Anyway, how come we invented the bloody things yet all the ones we made in WWII look a bit half arsed?
I met a bloke once who had a working Sherman, he told me that he wasn't allowed to take it on the motorway but he did have one of those big WWII American half-tracks that he was allowed to, so that kind of made up for it. Lucky git.
But you can keep your modern tanks, nothing beats the Panther for sheer coolness.
Dunno if its still there but there used to be a Jagdpanther in the Imperial War Museum. One side was cut away so you could get a keek inside. The other side had a neat 3 inch hole that looked as if it had been melted through the armour. I still wonder if that was the one that got it...
Anyway, how come we invented the bloody things yet all the ones we made in WWII look a bit half arsed?
I met a bloke once who had a working Sherman, he told me that he wasn't allowed to take it on the motorway but he did have one of those big WWII American half-tracks that he was allowed to, so that kind of made up for it. Lucky git.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Art on 27 May, 2006, 01:50:48 AM
Post by: Art on 27 May, 2006, 01:50:48 AM
Anyway, how come we invented the bloody things yet all the ones we made in WWII look a bit half arsed?
becuase the British military establishment never really liked or understood tank warfare, despite guys like JFC Fuller pretty much outlining the concepts of Blitzkrieg in advance of WWII. It wasn't dashing like cavalry and they kept trying to fit it into an infantry support role, never really giving them full guns or armour - Prior to WWII British tanks were basically just a big armoured lump with a machinegun which was just about good enough to put down an unarmed rebellion by the natives in fuzzy-wuzzy land.
The Germans, on the other hand, paid a lot of attention to Fuller.
becuase the British military establishment never really liked or understood tank warfare, despite guys like JFC Fuller pretty much outlining the concepts of Blitzkrieg in advance of WWII. It wasn't dashing like cavalry and they kept trying to fit it into an infantry support role, never really giving them full guns or armour - Prior to WWII British tanks were basically just a big armoured lump with a machinegun which was just about good enough to put down an unarmed rebellion by the natives in fuzzy-wuzzy land.
The Germans, on the other hand, paid a lot of attention to Fuller.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Funt Solo on 27 May, 2006, 03:25:31 AM
Post by: Funt Solo on 27 May, 2006, 03:25:31 AM
There's only one real choice:
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 27 May, 2006, 03:30:10 AM
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 27 May, 2006, 03:30:10 AM
>Prior to WWII British tanks were basically just a big armoured lump with a machinegun
Otherwise know as 'Tommy-cookers'
Tom Clancy's got a tank in his garden... touch of class that.
Otherwise know as 'Tommy-cookers'
Tom Clancy's got a tank in his garden... touch of class that.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Art on 27 May, 2006, 03:55:11 AM
Post by: Art on 27 May, 2006, 03:55:11 AM
Oh, and of course the various experiments in ridiculous multi-turret design...
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 27 May, 2006, 04:02:25 AM
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 27 May, 2006, 04:02:25 AM
They were probably complete death traps but I always thought it had a certain style to go to war in a Rolls Royce...
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: W. R. Logan on 27 May, 2006, 04:08:11 AM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 27 May, 2006, 04:08:11 AM
Link: Adventure 2000
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 27 May, 2006, 09:28:36 AM
Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 27 May, 2006, 09:28:36 AM
Fecking hall thats gone far beyond the line of simple cannon luv.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Proudhuff on 28 May, 2006, 02:22:05 AM
Post by: Proudhuff on 28 May, 2006, 02:22:05 AM
Jings, no a word about the T34?
Thats how we beat it Nazi scum wasn't it?
Huff
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: W. R. Logan on 28 May, 2006, 05:06:57 AM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 28 May, 2006, 05:06:57 AM
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Art on 28 May, 2006, 07:23:12 AM
Post by: Art on 28 May, 2006, 07:23:12 AM
I like how the electrical system of the entire tank can be neatly summed up in one page and a single not too complex diagram.
Title: Re: Achtung Panzer!
Post by: Tanky on 28 May, 2006, 07:53:48 PM
Post by: Tanky on 28 May, 2006, 07:53:48 PM
Cool! Logan, you're more than welcome as I have no idea how to fix one of these babies when it breaks down. It could be quite a while before any of this happens though. Thanks guys, I'll keep ya posted. xTGx