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Title: Scott Nestle
Post by: Emperor on 22 June, 2006, 10:28:02 PM
One ScottNestle seems to be enacting a Night of the Long Knives on the small press entries over on Wikipedia (I've tracked down his proposing for deletion the entries: FutureQuake, Arthur Wyatt, Edward Berridge, Adrian Bamforth, Matt Timson, Commercial Suicide, Kieron Gillen, Pony School and Action Stations).

Over there someone has said:

On a completely unrelated note, it should also be noted that 'Scott Nestle' is a notorious serial troll who has been banned from the 2 main official and unofficial 2000ad fansites on the internet (the creators of the book this article describes are contributors to the same websites), and has been banned repeatedly, under several usernames, from both. Going to either website (2000adonline and 2000adreview) and typing the name Scott Nestle (or his original username on both websites - 'Scojo') should easily verify this. This has the faint whiff of the slightly stalker-esque behaviour where he made a nuisance of himself to professional writers and artists on the forums where he was banned.

The individual claims they are a different person (which would be an interesting coincidence) but I'd be grateful if someone could give me a brief overview (mild swearing optional) so I can try and work what is actually going on (as I seemed to have missed all the fun).

Link: Wikipedia deletion votes

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 22 June, 2006, 10:35:58 PM
Just when you thought the socially fucktarded twat had reached the deepest depths of bitter patheticness, he proves us wrong yet again.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Funt Solo on 22 June, 2006, 10:38:53 PM
If this isn't the same psychopath that has long-running arguments with himself, falsely accuses people of hideous crimes in public forums,  believes himself to be a greater creator than any published creator he talks to and holds a ridiculous grudge against people that have given him a lot more chances than he really deserves, then I will eat my hat, without seasoning.

He is, I understand, solely responsible for the death of the 2000AD Yahoo forum, where he still holds court, usually alone.

He's earned himself a permanent ban from this message board, which is otherwise completely self-regulating.  In the year and more I've been posting here nobody has even been warned by the single administrator, let alone banned.  I know of only two threads that have been deleted, and those were at the behest of the original poster.  For him to be permanently banned is some achievement.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: scutfink on 22 June, 2006, 10:43:55 PM
Occasionally I think to myself, 'Oh my god, I have no life', then I come on here and someone mentions Socojo...

And I breath a huge sigh of relief...
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: I, Cosh on 22 June, 2006, 10:55:19 PM
This is really creepy. I've just logged on to Urban Dead to be confronted with the message "Scott Nestel destroyed the generator."

Link: Should I kill him?

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 22 June, 2006, 11:00:32 PM
"I'd be grateful if someone could give me a brief overview (mild swearing optional)"

The chances of there being two Scott Nestle/Nestels who feels strongly enough about the work of the likes of Arthur Wyatt and Matt Timson, to want them deleting from Wiki are so large as to be unfeasible.

(From memory, Matt, in particular, already has grounds to hunt down the little rectal polyp and do him serious harm. At this point, I'd like to volunteer to help ...)

It's the same smelly, drooling, socially crippled, mentally deficient little cockmonkey ... there's absolutely no doubt in my mind.

Cheers!

Jim
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Bad Andy on 22 June, 2006, 11:01:59 PM
If you look at 'real name' you will see it's Arthur Wyatt having a bit of fun in the Zombie Street Team.

Wicked!
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 22 June, 2006, 11:01:59 PM
He is, I understand, solely responsible for the death of the 2000AD Yahoo forum

He is also responsible for completely destroying the old Wednesday night chat sessions that we used to have on IRC* and for damaging alt.comics.2000ad beyond repair.

He really is an online cancer.







*Chatters used to include: Gordon Rennie, Si Spurrier, Frazer Irving, Si Fraser, Colin Wilson, Greg Staples, Dylan Teague, Dom Reardon and Jock (IIRC, but correct me if I'm wrong on some of these). Mongo really fucked up a cracking night (lunchbox/bunny costume combination aside).
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 22 June, 2006, 11:09:59 PM
(lunchbox/bunny costume combination aside).

I wish people would stop reminding me about that...
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 22 June, 2006, 11:16:19 PM
Hehe. Other than me, Gordon and Si, I forget who else was there that night. Scarily, there was someone else there that night that actually liked what he saw. [shudder]
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: W. R. Logan on 22 June, 2006, 11:32:10 PM
wasn't me, I mean it wasn't me who liked it
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Dudley on 22 June, 2006, 11:53:21 PM
Just to counsel calm, there's no reason to suppose it's the usual Scott.  The tone of voice is quite different, he's using Wikipedia lingo, and *our* Scott tends to hide behind pseudonyms wherever possible.  
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 23 June, 2006, 12:03:18 AM
Also, I've now noticed they've spelt his surname wrong. Using Mongo as a pseudonym gives us weight enough to get the deletion proposals ignored, though.

Possibly Cairns making a reappearance?
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: GordonR on 23 June, 2006, 12:24:20 AM
It's nothing like scojo, and he's pretty much net-illiterate for stuff like this.

Also, to be fair, it's not like posterity's going to miss any of the stuff proposed for deletion.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 23 June, 2006, 12:36:34 AM
Yeah, don't sound like the true Scojo to me (they seem reasonably competant for a start) and the targets are not really his usual obsessions (Timson aside perhaps)
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Funt Solo on 23 June, 2006, 12:48:12 AM
This *hronch* hat doesn't taste too *gulp* bad, y'know.

(This still seems to defy total coincidence - but then, the universe does that sometimes.)
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 23 June, 2006, 12:48:19 AM
"It's nothing like scojo"

Hell of a fucking coincidence, then!

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Dudley on 23 June, 2006, 12:49:23 AM
Not that who it is really matters, but it seems to be someone with a reasonable familiarity with the way that Wikipedia works, so probably someone who's been editing there already.  They're
probably a long-standing member of the 2000AD fan community (hence the name), and have an interest in Aeon Flux and Octavia Butler, among other things.  Probably they have some connection with the small press, and maybe a reason to be irritated with Futurequake and related publications (otherwise surely The End Is Nigh and Solar Wind would also be up).  Maybe it's someone who's been very vocal on the subject of small press spamming on this board?  Someone who's recently used the pseudonym "Scott Nestel" in another context?

But who could that be?
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 23 June, 2006, 01:54:18 AM
Scojo used to get a tad irate if you misspellled his surname as the Milky Bar confectioners.

Well, one of him did, at least.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: longmanshort on 23 June, 2006, 05:33:15 PM
I dunno who it is (and not that I give a shit, because I didn't create it in the first place) but they've removed the page about me and just linked it through to the The End is Nigh! page.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Emperor on 23 June, 2006, 07:34:18 PM
~sigh~

He has also done the same with Paul Scott's - the sum total of their Wikipedia edits these days must invovle sticking it to the small press.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: House of Usher on 23 June, 2006, 07:42:22 PM
Isn't it a relatively simple matter to 'revert' articles to previous versions? Users and their IP addresses can be temporarily banned for vandalism.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Funt Solo on 23 June, 2006, 08:15:20 PM
+WARNING+OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE+

Whilst having a nosy at Nestel 2.0's shenanigans (aka personal vendetta due to long thick cooked slice of largest potato in the world on shoulder), I found this little gem:

If some cunt's (and a cunt in his TWENTIES at that) entry about "Transformer Fest 2004" makes the cut I REALLY don't see what you're moaning about. I'll bet good old English pounds to your vicously devalued American dollar that twenty years down the line (assuming the inevitableresource/race-wars haven't destroyed the internet/western society by then) that there will be more Awaggers than "Botcon" attendees, if only because a significant proportion of our lot have had sex with something other than our own hands and are likely to actually have some progeny. "Botcon" is a ridiculoous word, for fuck's sake - it sounds like a festival of anal adventure. AWAG is at least as "real" at least as "meaningful" and a milion times more significant than some bleach-faced Finnish Nazi sympathisers getting together with like-minded potential serial killers to spray their salty jizz over who has Galvatron in the most original original packaging. Get a grip you suppurating CUNTSTACKS!.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Emperor on 23 June, 2006, 08:16:07 PM
Yep I've reverted the redirects and dropped notes in the talk pages. Getting them banned is trickier - it does border on vanadalism now (or at least some carrying on their own personal grievances on Wikipedia - they stated on the deletion page that they don't think any small press publication is notable enough for inclusion) but they have largely worked within the rules so it might be tricky making a case against them. At least before they have removed most of the mentions over there (including collateral damage like Adrian Bamforth).

From what you say above it would have been easier if it had been your Scott Nestel - they don't smart enough to work the system to their own ends and it is easy enough to stop people from scrawling "poopy head" on pages.

Link: Questions questions questions

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: I, Cosh on 23 June, 2006, 08:31:29 PM
Now that's funny.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Dudley on 23 June, 2006, 09:59:26 PM
Not as funny as it just got.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Art on 23 June, 2006, 10:07:23 PM
Yup, I fubbed that up.
Yes I am ScottNestle, yes I nominated a bunch of your those pages for deletion.

Why not use my regular id? Because I wanted too make lewss fuss, rather than more TBH. Though I beleive those page have no place in Wikipedia I new there wasn't a hope in hell their creators wouldn't take it personally, and quite frasnkly I didn't want to linked back to that. On reflection the user name was probably a poor choice.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Bolt-01 on 23 June, 2006, 10:17:41 PM
Art: You are just showing yourself up as a bit of a tit there. To the best of my knowledge the folks who did the comic didn't do the wiki pages. I'm not even signed up for them and had to ask my wife what it was all about.

If you want to delete your own stuff, then fine go ahead, but trying to get other folks work removed, when it is all well meaning and positive just makes you look really bad.

I was tempted to just post telling you to 'F' off, but you always seemed like a decent sort to me.

Bolt-01- dissappointed.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Banners on 23 June, 2006, 10:45:51 PM
Art - a few unnecessary bytes on a server somewhere is surely far preferable than the risk of annoying your peers? I don't understand your motivation.

M@

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Emperor on 23 June, 2006, 10:50:25 PM
I new there wasn't a hope in hell their creators wouldn't take it personally

As a creator/contributor to most of those entries I can sa I'm not taking it personally (and you are possibly right about some of them) but I think the whole thing is awfully odd. We've talked on Wikipedia about various entries (and to be honest, with hindsight, I feel a little silly for not connecting Artw with your good self) and sometimes we've agreed and sometimes we've disagreed but we work out a way to move things forward. Signing up a sock puppet to put in place half a dozen deletion proposals and a couple of redirects to take out a good portion of the British small press articles just strikes me as a very odd waying of going about things.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Tom of Finland on 24 June, 2006, 12:52:19 AM
hahahaha  priceless
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: paulvonscott on 24 June, 2006, 01:04:37 AM
There probably is an argument for these things not being on wikipedia, but then there's probably an argument for them being on as well.

I was grateful to the person who put the Solar Wind entry up for me (apologies I can't remember the name), whether I'd take it personally if it was taken down probably would depend on who did it and why.  I'd be willing to defend it's inclusion, though I'd find it hard to defend it taking up too much space on the site.

I would have been surprised if Mr Nestel was involved in removing Solar Wind, I was never part of the World vs Scojo battle and have recieved about as much negativity as I dished out, almost none.  Plus I don't believe I've had any contact with him since starting Solar Wind, at least.

As it's the internet there is always the potential for a lot of fuss about something fairly minor.  And while I've often found myself at odds with Art's opinions on the internet I can't say I've had a problem with him in the real world.  I'd be very surprised if it was a personal attack in any way, just because simply there are more direct ways to go about it.

However, using Mr Nestel's name was wrong for several reasons, and it was never going to result in 'less fuss'.

Anyway, that's all I hopefully have to say, I have to mentally prepare myself to watch the Directors Cut of Ridicules of Chronic, a movie which almost had me trying to tear my brain out at the cinema.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Tom of Finland on 24 June, 2006, 01:49:36 AM
Perhaps a few of the earlier posters on this thread may now want to take the opportunity to express their regret to Scott Nestel over some of the obscene comments wrongly directed at him, I wonder if their remarks will now be applied to Art?

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Bolt-01 on 24 June, 2006, 03:35:59 AM
Big spoon for Tom?

Bolt-01
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 24 June, 2006, 03:49:39 AM
Why would we do that? Although he had nothing to do with the Wiki stuff, we still told the truth, so you can stop taking the fucking moral high ground with us.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 24 June, 2006, 03:53:25 AM
On a related note, Art earns himself this:



Joking aside, you *have* shown yourself up here quite a bit, Art. I'm a bit shocked at all of this, tbh.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Tom of Finland on 24 June, 2006, 04:16:09 AM
'Just when you thought the socially fucktarded twat had reached the deepest depths of bitter patheticness, he proves us wrong yet again'

'we still told the truth'

hmm Wils you seem to have a perverted sense of the word truth here, since he never proved anyone wrong and indeed YOU were proved wrong your petty insults just seem pathetic. By the way I'm taking no ground here at all just reading the thread on it's merits. Too many were all to quick to jump on the Nestel hating bandwagon, not knowing the guy's history I'm not really in a position to judge him. Damning him anyway even if he proved not guilty just doesn't sit right.

The gang mentality that was touched upon in another recent thread was all too evident here, no wonder many potential Squaxx are put off from joining in by these bullying displays.

Just a thought
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Buttonman on 24 June, 2006, 04:31:49 AM
How bizarre! Why would anyone give a toss what is or is not on Wikipedia? Do they have bandwith issues or something?

You'd like to hope preference is given to retention rather deletion as, apart from malicious intent, there can be little to be gained from deleting correct information of any kind.

I'm sure Art has his reasons but I doubt if the sanctity of the Wikipedia is among them. Clear the air Art! Although you owe me nothing by way of an explanation, I'm sure that there are plenty who think they are. Don 't let it fester, I can sense an atmosphere already!
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Art on 24 June, 2006, 04:38:20 AM
I'm sure Art has his reasons but I doubt if the sanctity of the Wikipedia is among them.

Well, tough, it is.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 24 June, 2006, 04:58:46 AM
I'm not getting into an argument with a lardy, pin-headed twat that I've already killfiled once, so you can pack that in.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 24 June, 2006, 05:02:53 AM
Though to be fair you're not prejudiced against all lardy pin heads or you'd have killfiled me years ago.

See, that's introducing levity to lighten the mood of the thread.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Tom of Finland on 24 June, 2006, 05:03:16 AM
You really are a snide little cockstain aren't you. your killfiled!
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 24 June, 2006, 05:06:11 AM
Of course, that should've actually been:

You really are a snide little cockstain, aren't you? You're killfiled!

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 24 June, 2006, 05:11:16 AM
Should cockstain be hyphenated if used in that context?
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 24 June, 2006, 05:14:33 AM
I did think about that, actually. I'd say that it would be pretty interchangeable between space, no space or hyphen in this case.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 24 June, 2006, 05:17:26 AM
"Yes I am ScottNestle, yes I nominated a bunch of your those pages for deletion. "

And I am thus in the position of:

1) Being forced to issue a public apology to Mongo. Sorry, Mongo. I was wrong. It wasn't you.

2) Having to revise my opinion of you from 'chap-who-I-believe-I-met-once-briefly-and-thought-was-pretty-decent' to 'dickhead'

Admittedly, 1) has a large bearing on 2), but 2) on its own would stand because your action seems petty and vindictive and your justification for using a pseudonym -- particularly such an incendiary one -- is nothing short of pathetic.

Congratulations on squandering not only any goodwill I might have felt towards you, but that of quite a few other people, too, I would imagine.

I hope you are not on the receiving end of such a cheap shot yourself.

Please be assured that I will not be giving you financial support by purchasing copies of any project with which you are involved. Ever.

Jim
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 24 June, 2006, 05:24:29 AM
Well cockstain isn't actually a word so at the very least a hyphen should be in order.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 24 June, 2006, 05:28:33 AM
True, but it *could've* been an invented insult along the lines of 'arsegike', so I left it as is.

I notice Tom's gone very quite now. He must be off hiding his gay pr0n from his Mrs or indulging in a very manly team sport.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 24 June, 2006, 05:32:19 AM
Or he's killfiled me too and isn't aware of this conversation. Or he's doing something else. Watching Jonathon Ross perhaps.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Rob Spalding on 24 June, 2006, 05:37:09 AM
Ah, ya can't beat Wossy asking David Cameron if he's had a wank over Thatcher.

Several times.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Bolt-01 on 24 June, 2006, 06:09:08 AM
He asked the question several times, it wasn't Camerons answer.

btw Jim: Art has nothing to do with FutureQuake anymore apart from sending us scripts. Feel free to support Small press with the FQP badge.

Bolt-01
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 24 June, 2006, 06:57:36 AM
"Jim: Art has nothing to do with FutureQuake anymore apart from sending us scripts. Feel free to support Small press with the FQP badge."

Be delighted to. On the subject of small press (since it seems appropriate here), I'd like to just pass on a comment I made in an e-mail to Violent's Jay Eales and Mike Sivier, since it's appropriate in a wider context:

"I dunno what the American comics scene is like, but the work that's coming out of the small press on this side of the Atlantic is phenomenal, both in production values, and in the quality of the material. I genuinely wish that I had more time to contribute and assist ..."

I'm genuinely hopeful that my personal circumstances will finally stabilize to the point where I can pitch in with the UK small press in the way I'd like.

You chaps are doing sterling work and my hat is off to you.

Cheers!

Jim
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Max Kon on 24 June, 2006, 07:19:23 AM
I can kinda see why Art did it, are these really worthy of such articles? do they really have sufficient notoriety to deserve one? i think pretending Scott was probably a mistake, but if no one had been bored enough to post a thread about it no one would have ever ousted art, and just remained mad at Scojo.

Bolt-01- disappointed.
as was i after reading the latest Future Quake in only 15 min, the only one that made me laugh or felt worth while was Art's. Definitely not worth the ?3.50 i paid. I much preferred FQ under Art's hands


Max
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Dudley on 24 June, 2006, 08:23:51 AM
That may be so, Max, absolutely your opinion to arrive at.

On the other hand:

Arthur Wyatt: fuck off you giant-sized cockspur.




God that felt good.  Have been holding that in for about 18 months now.


You utter twatfaced cockmuncher.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Dudley on 24 June, 2006, 08:27:30 AM
Oh, I'm sorry, was that not direct enough for you?

I believe that your theory, Arthur, is that "not enough people here have been told to fuck off"?

Well, fuck off.


Twat.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Tom of Finland on 24 June, 2006, 04:38:27 PM
spoken like a true gent Jim.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Bolt-01 on 24 June, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
Max: Shame you felt that way.

You should have started a thread on the FQ board, except that you seem to be avoiding that place since Barny had to lock it up after you let it get hacked...

Bolt-01 Not in the mood
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: WoD on 24 June, 2006, 07:54:20 PM
Wow...how do I miss these beauties...

I didn't know that FQ had a Wiki page, but I have used wiki before to search for other UK small press titles (especially if I'm away from my usual PC and I want to track down a link, etc.).

I quite like the wiki page that's been done for FQ, don't see what right Art had to get it deleted, or try to get it deleted.  It is simply not a nice thing to do, and has got me really pissed off...which is going some for me and this board and it's members.

Granted, I might not understand the concept of what wiki is about, but I don't see how an individual's page carries more merit than for one for a book/comic/small press publisher, that is just trying to give people the opportunity to get their work published so they can get better at what they do...for fuck sake, the editors don't always contribute scripts and art, it is not a vehicle for their (our) output, but aa book where people can get work published - to a fairly high standard that hopefully sells a bit to keep it going.

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: House of Usher on 24 June, 2006, 08:51:32 PM
I'm not a wikipedia user myself; more an uncyclopedia contributor. However, my take on it is not that only worthy subjects warrant inclusion in wikipedia, but anything that can be defined, accurately described, or quantified. To attach greater importance to one object over another is characteristic of a modernist enterprise, and wikipedia is inherently postmodern. It's an anarchic and democratic trivia mountain. The only criterion for quality in wikipedia should be accuracy.

Anyway, here's a link to Uncyclopedia.

Link: Content free, stupid and double-plus untrue.

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Bico on 24 June, 2006, 09:05:50 PM
Uncyclopedia is great fun, if a little hit and miss - a consequence of the format, I suppose.  I suspect 50 Cent's entry is more accurate than his actual biography, though.

All that passive-agressive Wiki sniping seems very petty to me.  I'll stick to my jokes about bumming and try not taking the internet quite as seriously as some, thanks.

Words.  On. A screen.
CTFO.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Bico on 24 June, 2006, 09:08:04 PM

Link: Of interest to some boarders

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Tom of Finland on 26 June, 2006, 01:53:15 AM
'Arthur Wyatt is a filthy traitor who now resides in America'

from the creators profiles page on this site


uncanny
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 26 June, 2006, 02:17:14 AM
Tom --

I think you've made your point now.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 26 June, 2006, 04:27:25 AM
I think you've made your point now.

Remember, though, that this is someone who's started a new account to get past killfiles that his old username had incurred...
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 27 June, 2006, 12:13:50 PM
[Massimo gathers up the kids and drops them back into their "playstation"or or playcot, whateverr oh and btw i watched x-men today and in no way did I find it confusing. It followed graphic-lore very well so was not that hard to identify wiff.As a film.]
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 27 June, 2006, 07:41:48 PM
In light of recent events I do hope that my story ( which is co-wrote with Mark Woodland) will be still published in the next Futurequake.Assuming there is one.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: WoD on 27 June, 2006, 08:00:41 PM
The next FQ will be out this year, and I think that (y)our story is in it.  The next MQ (#3) will also be out later this year, and Something Wicked #2 will be out next year.

All is good, all is cool...
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Carlsborg Expert on 27 June, 2006, 08:12:06 PM
cheers
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Bolt-01 on 27 June, 2006, 08:18:04 PM
Smokes- I've got the files maan!

Don't sweat.

Bolt-01
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Matt Timson on 07 July, 2006, 04:39:35 PM
Tsk...

The things you miss when you go on holiday.  Very small, Arthur- bad show, old chap.

:(
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 07 July, 2006, 04:52:30 PM
54 Jones in passive aggressive shocker! ;)
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Bico on 07 July, 2006, 05:00:44 PM
Is that a smiley?





No-one likes a rocket scientist.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Matt Timson on 07 July, 2006, 05:34:50 PM
Yeah, I didn't even go ape when a certain snidey boarder didn't *quite* have the bottle to call me a cunt the other day.

It's the new me.

:)
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Satanist on 07 July, 2006, 05:58:52 PM
Now now Jones you cant really consider John Byrne as a boarder. He's more of a host.  :-D




And by host I obviously mean complete and utter Fud.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: WoD on 07 July, 2006, 06:16:54 PM
It looks like the FQ delete didn't 'take', so no harm in the end (other than in some opinions of other people taking a knocking).

Also glad than Art didn't try and get The End Is Nigh or Omnivistascope entries deleted, as I have used these in the past to find their homepages in a hurry from PC's that are not mine.  Although why Art decided to go for FQ and not these...who knows?

Also, kind of funny that Art didn't get himself deleted, but did manage to get a few others deleted though...'nice one'!
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Emperor on 07 July, 2006, 06:59:12 PM
Although this was all done in a rather odd (even underhand?) way and the road would have been less bumpy with a bit of discussion things being put up for deletion needn't be a malicious action. In some ways its part of the process required to keep an encyclopedia that can be written by anyone from being vandalised by random crazy folk (and lets be honest the Internet is full of them).

The final outcome was:

Kept:

Arthur Wyatt
FutureQuake
Adrian Bamforth
Edward Berridge
Kieron Gillen
Matt Timson - it got three votes for a "speedy keep" due to a "bad faith nomination" which was a new one on me.

Deleted:

Commercial Suicide
Pony School
Action Stations!

Which is not an unreasonable outcome - I just feel we could have reached the same state of affairs via an easier route.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Matt Timson on 07 July, 2006, 08:02:24 PM
"Matt Timson - it got three votes for a "speedy keep" due to a "bad faith nomination" which was a new one on me"

Really?  I couldn't even find where I'd been put up for deletion- never mind the arguments for being kept in...
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: longmanshort on 07 July, 2006, 08:12:29 PM

Link: Skin of his teeth ;P

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Matt Timson on 07 July, 2006, 09:09:33 PM
Cheers- I still don't understand why I couldn't find it myself though!

Arthur- would you mind removing my work from your site, please?  What with my not being a notable artist, I'm sure you won't miss it.  It must be nice to reach the dizzying heights of three whole Future Shocks and then piss on the people that were happy to help you on your way.

To be honest, I'm having difficulty in deciding which I think is sadder- that you'd go to the trouble in the first place, or that you'd try and set up a mentally deficient cretin like Mongo for the fall.  It's beyond pathetic!  Where's your pride?  I can't believe you haven't even offered an apology for the deception.

Really, *really* small.  I'm a bit gutted to be honest.

Link: admittedly non-notable art I'd like removing pleas

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Art on 07 July, 2006, 09:35:20 PM
Matt - read this for a description of what notability means in wikipedia terms as it applies to people. Then feel free to get offended about the listing, or not.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Art on 07 July, 2006, 09:38:06 PM
Oh, and if you want anything taken down email me about it.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Funt Solo on 07 July, 2006, 09:44:25 PM
"...you may wish to explain your position to the user, before nominating it for deletion ... a personal and specific message, about your concerns ... is more helpful ..."

From Wikipedia:Notability (people)
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: WoD on 07 July, 2006, 09:54:23 PM
The person made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field.

If the field is (and I know it is a narrow field) UK Indie Press/Comics then I would say someone who has done a fair share of work for such publications is worthy of an historic record.  FFS...if a person goes on to become even more notable, then isn't it nice to have a bit of background on them, and if they don't then they can still be noteable in that field.

Published authors, editors and photographers who received multiple independent reviews of or awards for their work

This sounds like it could be applied to inviduals who draw, and individual publications...

And I still don't get it why Art stopped with the deletions he put forward.  Why not have a go at some of the other UK small press on wiki.

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Matt Timson on 07 July, 2006, 09:59:23 PM
I'm not offended and never said that I was.

I'm surprised and a little bit disappointed that you'd act like such a nob, but that's about it.  I know you've been particularly pissy about the whole small press thing for quite some time- but why do something like that?  And if you're going to do it, why not put your own name to it?  I can't imagine that using Mongo's name would cause less fuss for anybody except you.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Matt Timson on 07 July, 2006, 10:04:15 PM
Oh, and I'll email you about taking my stuff down if I really have to, Arthur- but I already asked you nicely enough in a public place and I won't ask you nicely again.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Art on 07 July, 2006, 10:12:39 PM
If the field is (and I know it is a narrow field) UK Indie Press/Comics then I would say someone who has done a fair share of work for such publications is worthy of an historic record

And I'd argue that small press comics are not inherently notable, and I have concerns that the britiwsh small press comics area of wikipedia is becoming a cruft-magnet.

Please note that I have nothing personal against the subjects of the articles, I just think it's questionable that they should have wikipedia articles.

Likewise I have nothing personal against myself, but I've come to the opinion that it's a bit silly that a wikipedia article for me exists.

And I still don't get it why Art stopped with the deletions he put forward. Why not have a go at some of the other UK small press on wiki.

IIRC Solar Wind and The End Is Nigh both have won reasonably substantial awards - though in the case of tEiN I'm fairly hazy on that.

As a counter question why aren't you screaming that theres no entry for Bulldog Adventure Magazine, an unquestionable notable small press comic?

None of which I should really have to say, since all of this should be dealt with in the context of the wikipedia afd process.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Matt Timson on 07 July, 2006, 10:22:11 PM
"Please note that I have nothing personal against the subjects of the articles, I just think it's questionable that they should have wikipedia articles"

So you'll be hounding the rest of Wikipedia for entries that you think shouldn't be there then?  You're so full of it, Arthur- you've had it in for that particular bunch of small press lot for ages- I'm just surprised to find myself included.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Art on 07 July, 2006, 10:28:01 PM
So you'll be hounding the rest of Wikipedia for entries that you think shouldn't be there then?

Um yes, I do. Check here:
User contributions.

Pay particular attention to anything marked "(top)" and followed by a correspomding "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion" article.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Bolt-01 on 07 July, 2006, 10:36:16 PM
Art: Had a look at the list of activity on Wiki you posted.

You not working at the moment? That is a heck of a lot of stuff.

Bolt-01
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Matt Timson on 07 July, 2006, 10:43:55 PM
If Mongo (or indeed anyone else) had posted that list, you'd be citing 'mentalism' by now.  To be honest, I'm not 100% sure of exactly what it is I'm looking at for the most part- so I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

In any case, the way you went about your crusade in this instance was just... weird.  I'm sorry if you can't acknowledge that.

Thanks for taking my stuff down.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Buttonman on 07 July, 2006, 10:45:57 PM
How can they merge 'household rubber gloves' with 'rubber gloves'. The bastards, don't they know there are a lot of differences, especially on the household front.

I'm wasting my time with Wimbledon, the World cup and patting the cat - Wikipedia patrol is where it's at!

Link: Join the fight against assimilation!

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Woolly on 07 July, 2006, 10:47:42 PM
I dont want to get involved in this, but ive just gotta say this:

Ive never used Wikipedia before, and if this is how its content is treated then i probably never will.

Is this what you wanted Art?
Somehow i doubt it.
Why dont you just apologise to those youve offended, intentionally or not?

Apologies if im missing the point here.
-Wul
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Art on 07 July, 2006, 10:53:10 PM
Yes, the "scott nestle" thing was wrong of me, if only for the use of that particular username. I apologise for any damage to the good name of Scott Nestle that has occured.

However I find a lot of the outrage a bit manufactured, and a lot of responses in this thread completely disproportional. Theres also an awful lot of people going off half cocked without really knowing what the hell they're talking about.

To be honest I think I'm far form the only person who's made themselves look a bit of a twat.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Queen Firey-Bou on 07 July, 2006, 10:56:30 PM

now everyones gotta have a hobby right ? what with modern life & leisure time and that, but have you considered taking up voluntry work for a local charity as a more useful way of killing time & saving the universe Arthur?
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Buttonman on 07 July, 2006, 10:56:54 PM
"To be honest I think I'm far form the only person who's made themselves look a bit of a twat."

There's a comment ripe for deletion!

Tee-hee couldn't resist!
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: test 4 echo on 07 July, 2006, 11:10:43 PM
"There's a comment ripe for deletion! "

or a poll.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Richmond Clements on 07 July, 2006, 11:27:02 PM
What a fucking cock you are Wyatt.
You don't actually see that what you have done is insulted and offended people who had, obviously wrongly, assumed you were their friend?

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Wils on 08 July, 2006, 12:29:49 AM
So rather than try and dispel the bad atmosphere this episode has caused, you add to it by making snide, sarky comments? I'm actually saddened more than anything that you're behaving so twatish. Is the sanctity of Wikipedia really worth losing mates over?
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Queen Firey-Bou on 08 July, 2006, 01:05:48 AM
waaait a fucking minute !  action stations been deleted ?
but thats where WILD WEST WENDY made her debut ! dear god, does that mean that this work was of no worth ?!?  anyone want to say this to my face ?
years of snide remarks wether directly or with stupid fake user-names is one thing, but deleteing a comic with my art in from wikiwotsit ? i shall away and slash my wrists with a blunt object forthwith.

meanwhile, to keep the fans happy i think a quick pimp is required, i look forward to the cliquey in-jokes & apoplectic troll fury following shortly ;

Link: further adventures of Wendy still available.

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Bico on 08 July, 2006, 01:19:00 AM
Writers have no friends - only stepping-stones on their way to glory.  I have it on good authority that the bloke who writes Scooby Doo murdered his own mother to get the gig.
Alright, that's not true, but he did delete her Wikipedia page(1), which is a pretty lousy thing to do for the woman who brought you into the world, regardless of whether or not she actually was notable.
He writes Dexter's Lab now.  I think there's a lesson for us all in that.




(1) Okay, that's not true either.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Matt Timson on 08 July, 2006, 01:34:25 AM
He would've gotten away with it too- if not for those darn kids...

In other news- missed this the first time round:

"I'm not getting into an argument with a lardy, pin-headed twat that I've already killfiled once, so you can pack that in."

Naturally, I all but pissed myself laughing...

Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: +rufus+ on 08 July, 2006, 01:57:43 AM
Some bedtime reading for Mr Wyatt... I believe you can get it cheap on Amazon...
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: thrillpowerseeker on 08 July, 2006, 03:03:09 AM
'they were only playing leapfrog, they were only playing leapfrog, when One small presser jumped right over another small pressers back'...

this thread rules rocks whatever..
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 08 July, 2006, 03:04:48 AM
Well, I'm glad it's entertaining someone.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Matt Timson on 08 July, 2006, 03:06:09 AM
Only that one bit.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: WoD on 08 July, 2006, 03:12:54 AM
maybe time to let it die now...
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Matt Timson on 08 July, 2006, 03:21:42 AM
Tsk- nobody ever reads things properly anymore- that quote had nothing to do with Arthur...
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: WoD on 08 July, 2006, 03:43:22 AM
I know it wasn't Art's mate...just felt it was maybe time to draw this one to a close.
Title: Re: Scott Nestle
Post by: Max Kon on 08 July, 2006, 05:30:39 AM
Well, I'm glad it's entertaining someone.

make that 2