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General Chat => Classifieds => Topic started by: The Amstor Computer on 05 July, 2006, 01:05:46 AM

Title: Buy a piece of history! Miller Dredd on eBay...
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 05 July, 2006, 01:05:46 AM
I'm not sure whether any boarder would even be interested in this piece, but Frank Miller's unused & unloved cover for the Megazine's tenth anniversary is up on eBay. The seller gets a few key facts wrong (commissioned for the 2000th issue of 2000AD?) but it looks like this is actually the original piece.

Any got a couple of thousand, a bottle of Tippex & a black marker? ;-)

Link: Miller does Dredd. Badly.

Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 July, 2006, 01:12:16 AM
I guess this piece is something of a hot potato, because this certainly isn't the first time it's been on eBay. Of course, the fact that it's just not that good doesn't help matters. Frankly, I think you'd have to be an oddball to splash out more than $1,500 on it.
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 05 July, 2006, 02:02:27 AM
I wouldn't pay tuppence for it.
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: Dudley on 05 July, 2006, 02:44:49 AM
"Done in 2003"??????
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: The Amstor Computer on 05 July, 2006, 02:56:24 AM
Told you the details were sketchy. AFAIK:

This one is from 2003, done while Frank Miller was working on Sin City - Bollocks. The piece was supposed to adorn the cover of the 10th anniversary issue of the Meg, in 2000.

This cover was made for the 2000th issue of the magazine '2000 AD' - Heh. Or not.

This piece was sold by the publisher from the magazine - As I understand it, the Meg never bought the piece and it was auctioned off by Miller for a comic fund of some sort.

I think it's genuine enough, but it sounds like the seller just doesn't have a clue about the origin of the piece.
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: +rufus+ on 05 July, 2006, 04:03:33 AM
This unused cover was donated by Miller to the Comic Book Defense Fund, who then flogged it on Ebay, end of 2000.
I wrote to the seller with details... but do they listen?
R
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: W. R. Logan on 05 July, 2006, 05:42:45 AM
I've had the image on the '79 site for years and at least because of it we got Lenny Zero.

This replaced it as the cover IIRC



Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 05 July, 2006, 05:48:26 AM
I'm still hoping that one day I'll get to draw the Dredd strip where I can have him standing in front of a shop with the enormous boot shaped sign. The sign reads: "Frank Miller's Cobblers"

If you're an artist and get the chance first go ahead and go it.

ADE
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 05 July, 2006, 07:21:32 AM
I quite like it. I wouldn't spend anything on it because I never spend money on comic art, but that looks okay to me
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: IndigoPrime on 05 July, 2006, 02:59:41 PM
Horses for courses, I guess. To me, it looks like those prints you could buy from Quality Comics in the 1980s, clearly painted by people who didn't have the first clue about Dredd.

Miller's image does have some things going for it: the O'Neill-like perp, the semi-amusing pin-cushion-Dredd thing, some of the details. However, the stubble is totally not Dredd?a stickler for shaved faces?and the legs/boot are appalling. It might have worked cropped, but it looks unfinished to me. Frankly, what it was replaced with was more effective?at least as far as a cover goes.
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: Floyd-the-k on 05 July, 2006, 05:51:48 PM
It is as you say, horses for courses.  I think there have been other stubbly Dredds - doesn't Cam Kennedy do one?

Gee I like this board. I mean it. On some boards I could name, I'd be savaged for being 'wrong' about that picture

yours gratefully
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: longmanshort on 05 July, 2006, 06:34:51 PM
From David Bishop's blog on the matter:

"Hmph. He saw you coming!"

The Judge Dredd Megazine celebrated its tenth anniversary in the year 2000 AD. To mark the occasion, then editor Andy Diggle saved up his editorial pennies and commissioned US comcis legend Frank Miller to do the cover art for the birthday issue. Andy had already moved on to editing 2000 AD by the time the picture arrived and I was back in charge of the Megazine as freelance editor. By chance, Dredd's co-creator John Wagner happened to be in the office when the Frank Miller cover image arrived. I opened the package up in John's presence - his response was the comment used as the headline for this blog posting.

After some back and forth via email, Miller withdrew permission for us to publish his work - but we didn't have to pay him, so that was the end of that. [We never actually had the art in our possession, only a full size print of it.] Some time later Miller put his original art up for auction, with all proceeds going to an extremely worthy cause, the Comic Book Legal Defence Fund. I think it sold for at least a thousand US dollars, so some good emerged from the whole episode. I figured I'd never seen the thing again.

I was wrong.

Link: David Bishop speaks!

Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: Matt Timson on 06 July, 2006, 12:53:40 AM
I must admit, I kind of like it for what it is- but it's not really 'Dredd'.
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: shane05 on 06 July, 2006, 01:18:38 PM
I still can't figure out what that's supposed to be angling down from his left hand down to the right corner of the page. Is that his other leg?
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: LARF on 06 July, 2006, 02:30:56 PM
Style's nice. But it's a bit shit really.
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: +rufus+ on 06 July, 2006, 03:01:20 PM
"I still can't figure out what that's supposed to be angling down from his left hand down to the right corner of the page. Is that his other leg?"

Apparently it is....

for me, it is the legs that make it.... so bizarre...


Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: WoD on 06 July, 2006, 04:14:27 PM
iT CREEPS ME OUT...sorry CAPS off...

The legs look like they belong to another artist...
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: El Spurioso on 06 July, 2006, 04:59:50 PM
Eight links on the chain!  Eight links!  There should be seven!  Burn it!  Buuuuurn it!

...

I also rather like it, in a caricaturish sort of way.  I'd expect to find it in a newspaper accompanying an indignant article about police recruits using steroids, or about the Erosion Of Human Rights, or blah blah blah.

But as an iconic cover-image showcasing a recognisable character, it just doesn't do the job.  As has been implied, it looks a little as though Mighty Miller drew the top half then gave the remains to his McMahon-obsessive midget sidekick JOHANN*, who blatted-on a fuckload of stubble, some jaunty flicknives, and some novelty Plastic-Man legs.

An oddity.  And probably worth every penny, as such.






*May Not Actually Exist.
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 06 July, 2006, 05:59:18 PM
When you look at a close-up of the chin it looks like Miller got board and just started scribbling in lines at random
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 06 July, 2006, 08:26:48 PM
Another competition - New Legs for Dredd. I like that image, kind of, from the waist up. Anyone want to improve it from the waist down? Or come up with something weirder?
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: WoD on 06 July, 2006, 08:51:58 PM
Half law machine - half flying spaghetti manster would be nice.
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 06 July, 2006, 09:00:25 PM
And the stick/leg always makes me think Dredd looks like a Mr Punch puppet.
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: Woolly on 06 July, 2006, 09:59:11 PM
Am i the only one who thinks the perp looks strangely like Frank Miller himself? And that Dredd's about to kiss him?

If so, what does that say about Frank Miller?!?
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 06 July, 2006, 10:24:35 PM
In many ways it's a shame Freud isn't alive and reading 2000A.D.
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: Wils on 06 July, 2006, 11:21:58 PM
The thing is, it's not as if it would've taken Miller much to alter it so it was passable, as demonstrated by this mega-rushed bodge job...

Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: mechanix81 on 07 July, 2006, 03:11:30 AM
worst. art. ever.

except maybe for DK2, obviously...
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: Buddy on 07 July, 2006, 03:39:11 AM
That rush job cover works for me....

I've never really been bothered by the Miller Dredd cover, if nothing else it would have raised the profile of Dredd and 2000ad worldwide, surely no bad thing.

I'm a big Miller fan (DK2 was let down by the colouring, not the art), The Dark Knight Returns is for me the single best comic story I've read. I had never seen anything like it before. The square bound format, the paper stock, the print quality, the art, the colouring... all fantastic, and to my 18 year old brain, mind blowing.

Miller my be travelling up his own arse (his next 'Batman V Osama' tale could well be his shark jumping moment), but for now he amongst the best.

Watchmen may be a better crafted story, and Gibbons art is spectacular, but for pure comic book storytelling The Dark Knight just edges it for me.
Title: Re: Buy a piece of history! Miller...
Post by: Emperor on 07 July, 2006, 06:37:42 AM
In many ways it's a shame Freud isn't alive and reading 2000A.D.

The question would be where would he start??

Link: Get to grips with that!!