As I buy Boxes of Alien last weekend, I watch Special Edition of Alien3, and was so shocked the Cinema version got very lots of cuts, and this SE version is very way better! and of course very darker!
I've got this and never actually wathced it. Is it very different?
Is there a version of Alien Ressurection that is good?
well, it is very very different, the cinema version cut off half hour!
it got lots of longer scenes that cut into shorters! and there is one more plot in middle of film that is cut off. and there no annoyed dog...
I'd like to see it but really don't want to get the whole quad boxed set to see special edition of 3, as I've seen all the versions of Alien, I have no interest in any version of Aliens and I could care less about Alien 4.
Only £17 in HMV though. No interest in Aliens? It's the best Nam film ever made!
The alternate cut of Alien 3 is brilliant and very very different. There's a whole 20 minute sub plot in the middle that was cut out entirely and the whole set up at the start is pretty different(the dog thing doesn't happen) and sets the scene a lot better I reckon. Interesting too when you watch the normal one back, as there's a couple of conversations which are spliced together from exchanges which were initially about something else, in order to patch up the missing mid-section(although it's a while since I watched it so can't think of an example). A much better film in my opinion and the most different of the special editions so well worth a purchase.
I am interested in seeing this .also i havent seen the Directors cut of Alien either.I dont know if that is in the box set or as a seperate dvd.
"i havent seen the Directors cut of Alien"
It's pretty much poo, as is (more or less) the Director's cut of Aliens (but the latter at least has some mildly interesting 'backstory' scenes, even if they do make for one looong movie), and I'm a big fan of both originals.
The Alien 3 extended version is fascinating, and the only one with the potential to be better than the cinema release. I can't imagine what you could do to make Alien Resurrection watchable, despite its strong cast - once was enough, I never even took that disc out of the 'Quadrology' set.
I liked the Aliens Directors cut very much and liked the backstory scenes. I am not going to argue with James Cameron on that score.I will take your word on the directors cut of the original as i think i trust your judgement.Not interested in seeing a directors cut of Alien resurrection . This leaves trying to find a copy of the directors cut of Alien 3 without having to buy the box set.
Thanks for potentially saving me 10 quid on Alien !
Peter.
The original assembly cut of Alien 3 is good for the first half hour or so but after that it basically unravels to a suprisingly dull thud. It isn't much, if any, better than the theatrical version and is really only interesting for the extended beginning with the bulls dragging the ship out of the sea and a couple of extra scenes. It contains many unfinished alien effects.
The real Alien 3 was never made, namely Vince Ward's vision, which at least had a completed script, even the sets were built; the released film is actually a filleted version of this.
The Alien 3 original cut DVD is worth getting though for the plethora of documentaries that includes a lengthy discussion of Vince Ward's version and plenty of concept art.
I like the dirctors cut of ALIEN, not alot different to the version released but for the coccoon scene with Dallas which makes ALIENS pretty much redundant. A good thing as far as I'm concerned.
I like Alien3 and must track down a copy of the extended cut.
and the extended cut got very very little different to the ending before the Hollywood take over...
I reember reading thius par from the novelisation of Alien Three. One of the inmates, ( Forget his name.) suffering some delireium in the presence of the fully grown xenomorph.
Starts worhsipping it and stuff. ( I'm not telling lies, it's in the book!)
Before it kills him.
There's also bit where there looking all looking for it so they can kill and they find it's shedded skin/out shell. It looking like it's just standing there, frozen until investigate further.
I can't remember anything else of any significance except that I always wanted to find out more about the Space Jockies.
Actor Ralph Brown who played one of the characters in Alien 3 lives in Brighton.I see around often and he had a very nice leather jacket that had Alien 3 on the back of it.Its the sort that cast and principle crew members get given as freebies by the film company.I bet there arent many of those around now.
His character was the last to survive in the film and one of his lines was "dont call me stupid !".
you means 85. that his nickname... well Prisoners's nickname to him.
The extended version of Alien 3 is by far the better version I think. It's not perfect as it is rather messy since they pretty much just put all the footage together rather than going for a specific 'cut' as it were. (As example, there are a couple of scenes where a point is repeated.)
The whole sub-plot in the middle is well worth it though as it provides a whole twist that wasn't in the original film. In my opinion that twist also gives Alien 3 that extra something which sets it apart from being too much like the first film. Not that I dislike the first film, (it's a favorite in fact) but we don't want them to be the same, otherwise what's the point?
From a visual point of view I think it's also the better version. I'm thinking particularly of the outside shots at the start of the film when the Doctor is strolling along the beach with his billowing long cloak, and the prisoners oxen dragging the ship out of the sea. Those particular bits don't add anything to the plot but they definitely help in setting the scene of the inmates lives etc.
As for the other films... I think I prefer Alien the Director's cut as a stand-alone film as it resolves a couple of little plot holes left behind due to the editing of the theatrical release. However the theatrical release is better when taking the other films into account.
I also prefer the extended version of Aliens over the original... although there's something said for leaving out the part where we see the citizens of the outpost leading up to the first alien attack. It leaves us viewers in suspense that little bit longer (well ok, not that much as it's hardly likely the marines are going to arrive only to find everything is hunky-dory and the only reason they hadn't called in a while was cos their transmitter was broken down due to all that choppy wind... that'd make a rubbish movie.)
It was a fascinating add-on for those of us who have seen the film already though.
Alien Resurrection... the extra bits don't really add much one way or another. Except by providing a few bonding moments between characters.
It was a fascinating add-on for those of us who have seen the film already though.
That's very true, but if it had been the theatrical release, that terrific sense of strangeness, of the unknown, as the marines enter the colony would have been badly compromised.
Similarly, do we learn anything that actually helps the film in the scenes about Ripley's daughter, and Hicks' first name? It's all interesting stuff for nerds to know, but it really did belong as Extras on a DVDs, had such things been around. It just slows down what is a (at the risk of wilding up the haters) a fast-moving shoot-em-up,
"Similarly, do we learn anything that actually helps the film in the scenes about Ripley's daughter, and Hicks' first name? It's all interesting stuff for nerds to know, but it really did belong as Extras on a DVDs, had such things been around. It just slows down what is a (at the risk of wilding up the haters) a fast-moving shoot-em-up,
I think the Ripley's daughter thing could perhaps add extra impact to the relationship she has with Nute later. A kind of surrogate replacement for both of them if that makes sense. (Although I felt like cringing when Nute shouts "Mommmy!" and jumps into Ripley's arms at the end of the film but never mind...) To be fair though, even if Ripley hadn't had a daughter I think the bond would have still taken place just due to the sympathetic and empathic nature of her Ripley's character and Nute needing her.
Even taking Nute out of it I think the Ripley's daughter scene helped establish the emotional impact that Ripley had to go through in waking in a new time where she had no more links in a more personal way.
I agree that for a first viewing of the film, the theatrical release is probably better though. I wouldn't want those scenes moved to an extras section on the Director's cut though as that would make their canonity subjective (and there wouldn't be much point as both versions of the film are available. In the Quadrilogy boxset anyway). This way you can still view those extra scenes as 'having happened' when viewing the theatrical release... just off-screen. If that makes sense...
The theatrical Aliens doesn't have the scene with the remote-control machineguns which blast hundreds of aliens in the corridoors, while the marines breathlessly watch the ammunition countdown. I can't understand why they left that bit out.
If that makes sense...
It certainly does... to a fellow saddo, at any rate.
"The theatrical Aliens doesn't have the scene with the remote-control machineguns which blast hundreds of aliens in the corridoors, while the marines breathlessly watch the ammunition countdown. I can't understand why they left that bit out."
I think it's a great scene too. Seem to recall Cameron saying having such powerful weapons belittled the aliens too much and it diminished their power to see so many of them mowed down so easily. I disagree though, think it makes for brilliantly tense stuff.
It does rather open up the question of exactly how many aliens there can be, given the limited number of colonists.
(I seem to remember an explantion along the lines of the aliens using some livestock to incubate in as well - this was obviously before all the twaddle about hybrid aliens.)
I quite liked both the Alien and Aliens Director's cuts. The added scenes in Aliens mentioned earlier, like learning Hicks' first name, might not be totally essential to the plot, but they add more character to it. And as for the sentry guns, well they're just plain cool.... :)
One thing I noticed about the Alien 3 special ed though, a lot of the "new" dialogue was kinda dodgy in terms of sound quality. When someone's talking, you can hear a lot more background noise than when they're saying lines from the original. It seems as if it was put together kinda patchier.
Still, I really liked both versions of Alien3. I seem to be in a minority there.
I start to like ALien3. More people got killed by Alien, and Love the scene when the boss speak to the prisoners then Alien grab him and all was shocked! that very classic!
More to the point, without the machine-gun scene, Aliens simply doesn't make any sense. The idea is that there's one alien for each colonist, but in the theatrical release, there are scant few aliens left at the end. From an overall continuity standpoint, that's because most of them were mown down by machine-gun fire, but in the original release, that doesn't happen.
Perhaps, but we don't know *what* happened during the colonists' defence. We don't know how many were killed, how many may have killed themselves, or how many aliens were killed either.
I seem to remember the figure of 158 colonists, so a maximum of 157 aliens then, though likely less than that.
I think there is livestocks, pets etc...
With respect, that's an idea which doesn't really work. On a world like LV246 there's no easy economical way to feed livestock, so there is unlikely to be many, if any, actual animals there. Certainly no sign or mention of them in screenplay or film as far as I know.
I just remembered that at least one colonist died when they removed a facehugger, so 156 aliens at most.
well, there is guinea pig there... and still alive when it on the radar! :)
Heh! So there is. Little bit small for impregnation - unless you're Richard Gere.
Aliens vs Predator - Requiem trailer.
The cynic in me is meh.
The fanboy in me is coooool.
Link: Christmas?
On Earth.
In the present day.
In small town America.
Load of bollocks!
I thought that looked bloody amazing . It looks like the idea is finally living up to its potential.There seems to be a female lead character who looks and sounds like a young Sigourney Weaver.Coincidence ? I cant comment on a film i have yet to see but i thought it looked very good.
I'm surprised to say it, but that looks pretty damn good. Granted, it still looks like they're throwing some pretty teenagers into the mix, but it finally seems as if it's gonna be an all-out melee, which is what an AVP film needs to be.
That looks total garbage.
The Predator tracking cursor is pretty cool though.
I for one will watch it on pirate.
Action all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That looks pretty cool & very bloody for a trailer with the face melting and the heads exploding.
Think I'll go for this at crimbo.
How many aliens are there in aliens?
There is no exact number in the film, rather Ripley asks how many people are on the planet and is told something like "20 or so families".
You could take that as family units of 2.4 to 4, or as extended families.
ALso, as an aside, in the novelization of the book there is a class line jsut after the first attack as follows:-
HICKS: So what do we do now? We have to re-arm and kick ass.
HUDSON: Kick ass? In case it escaped your notice, we tried to kick ass and got our legs bitten off!
(That's not verbatim, apart from the last line)
Ripley says -
'But they will know about it, Burke. From me. Just like they'll know how you were responsible for the deaths of one hundred and fifty-seven colonists here --'
towards the end of the film.
And in the meeting with the company she asks
'How many colonists?'
and is told
'Sixty, maybe seventy families.'
And watching that trailer again there appears to be a fully grown Predator/Alien hybrid running around.
"in the meeting with the company she asks
'How many colonists?'
and is told
'Sixty, maybe seventy families.' "
Exactly; and in the special edition there's a sign saying Hadley's Hope pop 157. 60 or 70 mainly young colonist families would fit that figure perfectly.
That was implied at the end of the previous film in the very final scene.
In that trailer the two heads that rather than explode seem to be vaporised as they seem to almost instantly disappear.Never seen anything like it.Extraordinary.
I like the fact that this film is coming out at Christmas as you usually just get a load of old tripe at christmas.I cannot remember the last time i went to the cinema at Christmas time.