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I knows it been feature in other topic, but I am make it clear for other people here to check it out!

It is way better than first AVP! those bull***t film for young people!!!

love the way Predator "Wolf" grab two Aliens!

And the Alien Warriors from Aliens is back!!! my fave look of Alien.....

Link: Aliens Vs Predator 2

Love the cursor!

no, not the guy who says "fuck you"..potential comedians

oh yeah! hope the site got downloads of that cursor???

I think this might be it?

Link: http://aliensvspredator2.filefront.com/file/Predator_cursor;45739

Cool!

Is the Predator in new film is better than AVP? cos this one got human size, not like AVP got hulk sizes!

Wow, my favorite aliens are back.

Both kinds.

Any sign of Riply or Dutch.

Unless it's one of those trailers that shows all of the movies best bits, this could at least reaffirm my faith in this series.

At least they're going for a bit more graphic violence.

OOOOH,liking it. acid melting faces,exploding heads! more people to kill than a scientific team or whatever the hell the first one was.
This ain't a paul s anderson "production" is it?

yep I'm pretty sure MR Anderson is behind this, supprisingly I didn't mind the first one, sure it could of been better but it still had a couple of pretty good throw downs between the two title characters.  Still cant see why they cant translate the original comic though, recon it would make a pretty damn cool movie(would probably need huge budget, guess thats why trhey set these two on earth).

CU Radbacker

That's a good trailer indeed, and refreshingly continuity-free.  I like a trailer that makes me think "well that's that then, we're all dead".

well, i prefer "oh we're all f***!"

  I have never looked forward to christmas so much for a long time.If a film is exceptionally good i back to the cinema two or three times to see it and take it all in.

mine would be 'GAme over man, its fucken game over'

CU Radbacker

  Form a perimeter in a clear area and find as many RoboSentrys as you can with plenty of ammo and try and team up with the Predators as in the last film .I presume this film is already or about to be released in America.I might have to buy a DVD from another region.On this computer you can reset the region of the DVD to make it playable here.[region 2]

 Which reminds me that the DVD that i bought recently from Dweezil was region one not two .By the way Dweezil i am still waiting for an address to post payment to.Its getting silly now.As you have posted elsewhere hopefully you will read this.I am not happy about posessing it having not paid you yet.

Found this image on a random search enjoy

Just watched the trailer, finally a film to fit the two xenobes, yes the first was good but could have been alot better.
Lets just hope the film lives up to the trailer.

I must have been watching a different movie-the first AvP movie was trash of the highest order!

when I play the clips I get a blank screen with just sound.

 this one works :

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvVwRKHIkeA

I'm cautiously optimistic about this film. The first one was cack, but the trailer for this looks cool, the way a battle between aliens and predators should look, dammit! (And the double head shot from the predator is just deadly!)

Also, Silent Night? Strangely perfect choice.....

this one works :

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvVwRKHIkeA



Cheers Peterwolf.

Definitely looks good.

Would have been nice if they could have brought back that girl from the previous film maybe. Assuming she survived the antarctic in her thin top (how daft was that? I didn't hate the original like many seem to, but that running around the antarctic in a thin top was ridiculous.)

On second thoughts maybe it's best they make a clean break, keeps it more realistic though. I wonder if the Predalien will be the one from the end of the first film or if it'll be a whole other beasty as a result of incubation within this film? It's good they're keeping to Predator tradition of hot days though in this film.

Link: erm...

 God what a miserable lot the film bloggers are.Unless i am wrong none of them have even seen it yet.

 They all seem pissed off that its not set in space yet i thought the idea of it being set here was a good one.

 They all just need to loosen up a bit. pay their money and see it [which they undoubtedly will] ,dont have high expectations and just enjoy what they get to see.

 Its not going to be rubbish.You can tell by the trailer it looks good.My only fear is it may have too much going on in too short a time.

 You need 2 hrs plus for a film like this


 I just find all that lot a total bore as they are so negative and critical about everything.

Link: erm...


I don't think they'd actually have the head tails though, the ones that come out of humans don't have hair or beard do they?
Not sure about the term 'hybrid' either. It's established that they take on certain charcteristics of their host (hence the creature in Alien 3 being a quadruped) so I suppose they must absorb some of the DNA of their host but then  the entire species would effectively be hybrid by it's very nature wouldn't it?

Looks cool though.

"......but then the entire species would effectively be hybrid by it's very nature wouldn't it?"

Well I think that's essentially the case. Up until now we've only seen Aliens which have been born from humans, so they were bi-pedal, or the dog-alien, which had its own characteristics, but the Aliens always seems to match up to their host.(There was the Newborn in Alien Resurrection, but that was a diffrent kettle of fish) We don't know what they'd look like coming out of a totally different species.

It makes sense to me that an Alien-Predator would have the "dreadlocks", as opposed to human-like hair, since the dreadlocks appear to be an actual fleshy part of the body, almost like tentacles. So if the Alien is a hybrid, it's gonna copy them, but they don't grow hair anyway.

Alien ressurection. The aliens werent modelled from the H R Geiger designs they seemed to be a bit flat to me and the monstrosity at the end, what was that all about. IMO anyway.




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It makes sense to me that an Alien-Predator would have the "dreadlocks", as opposed to human-like hair, since the dreadlocks appear to be an actual fleshy part of the body, almost like tentacles. So if the Alien is a hybrid, it's gonna copy them, but they don't grow hair anyway.

Actually what you've said makes sense.

I also remember a small scene at the start of Alien (or it could be Aliens... but I think not) when they are flying into the atmosphere of the planet, before  the fateful encounter. As their ship is being buffeted they hear a screeching sound and one says "what's that?"..

That was never completely answered. Considering the aliens we meet throughout the films are ground based and they were in a case of severe turbulence at the time it seems unlikely it was one of them they heard. So a flying variety maybe?

Seems unlikely since that planet seems pretty much dead otherwise and unlikely to have indigenous life (remember the Aliens are not indiginous to LV... whatever it's called.) but it's something I've wondered about.

In Alien we know nothing of the dead alien in the seat with his stomach ripped open. What happened to that alien????



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In Alien we know nothing of the dead alien in the seat with his stomach ripped open. What happened to that alien????

I think that alien was always referred to as 'the navagator' and was clearly a victim of a chestbuster.

The Navagator was also so old it was fossilized, so had been there for many thousands of years, god knows what the chestbuster that came from that ended up looking like, but it would have been big!

I also assume that the eggs John Hurt discovered had also been there for quite some time (not sure about thousands of years) not sure where these eggs came from though.
The original concept had no dopey queen alien, so no queen here to lay the eggs, the aliens are self replicating and do not need to breed to reproduce, they just need a host to cocoon, that cocoon transforms into an egg with facehugger inside, see the Directors cut for the Dallas cocoon scene, it explanes it all there and practically makes a mockery of Camerons crappy queen laying eggs idea.

To be honest I preferred the idea of the Queen laying eggs to the turning-into-an-egg system. I can buy that an Facehugger can lay something in your stomach which will then grow and burst out, but I just don't see how they can make you turn into an egg with a facehugger inside.

Having said that, one of the many original scripts for Alien3 is online here: http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/alien3_gibson.html

And it's pretty interesting reading, including the Alien's method of breeding this time around; spreading through spores, and totally converting their host. Would have made a better film, methinks.

To be honest I preferred the idea of the Queen laying eggs to the turning-into-an-egg system. I can buy that an Facehugger can lay something in your stomach which will then grow and burst out, but I just don't see how they can make you turn into an egg with a facehugger inside.

Having said that, one of the many original scripts for Alien3 is online here: http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/alien3_gibson.html

And it's pretty interesting reading, including the Alien's method of breeding this time around; spreading through spores, and totally converting their host. Would have made a better film, methinks.

A pox on double posts! Why does this site have no edit button?

I think I prefer the queen idea too. When I saw that extra scene in the director's cut, I didn't even pick up on the idea that Brett had been turned into an egg. I just figured he and Dallas were cocooned. (Although in hindsight I see where the egg idea came from particularly looking at Brett.)

 It wasn't until looking through the web that I came across the Brett-egg thing, so I'm curious if that is just fan theory or what was originally intended.

It's an interesting idea, but I prefer the alien queen one too I think. I guess the original makes it even more alien in some ways but it just seems overly complicated.

That scene is good in other ways though, particularly in establishing a small plot hole in the original story. Particularly the scene just after Dallas was taken when the big guy says"There's no Dallas, no blood, nothing."

Knowing how aliens kill it struck me as odd that they'd find no blood, but the extra scene in Alien at least explains this.

Overally I like the new scenes in Alien, but I think they work better when viewing ALien as a stand alone film, if that makes sense. The original release works better with the sequels. After all, even if Dallas and Brettt weren't being turned into eggs, why were they then cocooned? A larder maybe, something to eat later?

fan theory or what was originally intended

Originally intended.

It's supposed to be the perfect organism - self replicating means that with only one alive it can reproduce as long as it finds hosts.

I'm not convinced I'm remembering this correctly, but the Alien novelisation had Dallas in a cocoon and (I think) said something about how each drone can directly implant one host, without having an egg/facehugger around - no mention of turning the victim into an egg.  

I think it also said that a host implanted by a drone will produce a queen, but I wouldn't swear to it - it's been about ten years since I read it and could be entirely wrong (but hey, these here's the intarwebs; being correct is an optional extra).  

I'm remembering the novelization  similar to you Thursday except I seem to remember the Alien could produce One Egg at a time(take a while to produce the egg) and would keep doing this untill a queen was spawned.  But like you I read it quite a while ago.

CU Radbacker

I didn't realize there was a novel adaption.
Was the original film based on a novel or vice/versa?



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They are novelisations of the films, written by Alan Dean foster. The first one is great, but the subsequent one's are largely by the numbers retellings of the plot.

Bolt-01

Haven't read the Alien novel for many years- but there's an awesome scene in it where one of the crew (Dallas?) traps the alien in an airlock or something, and it loses an arm.

Nerd moment!

That is a partially filmed scene in the first film. Think one of the mags from the time had a shot of the ALIEN in the Airlock, minus an arm on the cover (I've got that so I could poss get a scan if needed) Think the reason it wasn't used is that it gives a bloody good look at the monster too early on for Scott's liking.

Bolt-01

I love you, man!

What's not to love?

Bolt-01

True... true...

The Navigator alien driver of the crashed ship turned up in the comic books, and if I remember correctly, they were expecting it to their saviour, but it turned out to be something quite nasty too.  In a more calculated way than the Alien though.

Get a room!

Alan Dean Foster. the same guy responsible for Splinter of a minds eye. I think I will steer clear of that.



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'Splinter of Minds Eye' Wasn;t that Stawars Novelistaon occurring inbetween 'ESB' and 'ROTJ'

YES

A pox on double posts! Why does this site have no edit button?

Ask not for extra features on the site, lest Smilies are thrust upon us!  Purity of function is the watchword.  But I know what you mean.

"Ask not for extra features on the site, lest Smilies are thrust upon us! Purity of function is the watchword. But I know what you mean."

Hmmmm, true. 'Tis a fine line indeed......

'Splinter of The Mind's Eye' Wasn't that Stawars Novelisation occurring in between 'ESB' and 'ROTJ'


(Spelling and punctuation corrected for free)


No. It was a direct sequel to the original 'Star Wars' (not referred to as 'A New Hope' till it was re-released some time in the early '80s) written before ESB was plotted out, and according to my early edition copy, it's from 'The Adventures of Luke Skywalker'.


Stick that in your nerd-pipe and smoke it.

But that novel was utter drivel SPOILERS








Luke incapacitated, Leia severing Vaders arm then knocking him down a pit, force sensitive woman giving no mention of Clone Wars or link with the Skywalker name. Utter tosh.

To be treated like Millar Dredd, does not compute.



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I think not. Millar Dredd had an established continuity to piss over. Dean Foster had nothing but the original novel/film to go off. Sure, based on what's sprung up since it comes off badly, but judged in original context it holds out ok.

Don't Luke and Leia get "giggy with it" in that novel?

Yes, I remember that bit.

Lucas already had his basic back history and forthcoming films prepared, I think read somewhere or was told that foster just went ahead and wrote it ignoring provided literature. It was such a long time ago, and yes Luke was definately ogling Leia's curves and having a few knob twitches.



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