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: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Tiplodocus 02 October, 2008, 10:21:19 PM
Firstly, thanks to Proudhuff who send me a little bundle of Ennis shaped goodness in the post.

First two issues of THE BOYS was great fun (even though it was mostly talking heads) and I'm really looking forward to reading more.  Simon Pegg used as a character reference was a bit strange though.

Similarly, I liked the World War I flyings strip (WAR IS HELL).  It had that great feel of "5 Sopwith PUPs disappear into a cloud and never come out" about it; that war is a bit crazy and strange and unfathomable and you really don't want to be there. "Have I offered you a drink?"  And Chaykin's art is fantastic (I even liked the strange whizzy effect he used on the props).

I've not read all of the KEV stuff yet but at a glance it looks fun and it's really odd seeing Carols' art with a normal (not computer) coulouring job.  Would it be sacrilege to say I prefer it so?

So thanks, Huff, I owe you one.
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: Trout 02 October, 2008, 11:39:00 PM
The Boys is probably my favourite comic right now. You should definitely get more of it!

- Trout
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: Art 03 October, 2008, 08:10:45 AM
A little on the end of The Punisher, pretty much my fave recent Ennis thing, maybe even replacing Hitman in my heart.
http://http://www.metafilter.com/74081/I-dont-kill-them-because-theyre-bad-people-I-kill-them-because-I-hate-them
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: Keef Monkey 03 October, 2008, 10:39:23 AM
A mate loaned me the first collection of The Boys (first 6 issues I think) and it was very very funny. Read it twice now, can't wait for book two (wish my mate would get the finger out and go buy it).
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: Proudhuff 03 October, 2008, 10:51:28 AM
Spread the word -pass it forward and all that, mind you a pint at Hi Ex wouldn't go amiss  :D
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: Buddy 03 October, 2008, 11:28:01 AM
I think The Boys is getting some Hollywood interest, no doubt Mr Pegg will be getting the call to play the lead.

I don't read a lot of Garths stuff but when browsing his new releases in FP I play the game 'what controversial item will this book start with'.. it's usually something like a Bishop getting a blow job from a nun (or several nuns).. and I'm rarely disappointed.
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: Proudhuff 03 October, 2008, 11:45:23 AM
yeah there seems to be a fair bit o that, There is a classic example of this in the Boys, its never anything to do with the plot, just a gratuitous sex scene, not sure why: to shock? to show its a big boys comic? a wnak fest for the writer? he doesn't need it as he's proven elsewhere but he always slips it in (ooer Matron!)
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: TheEdge 03 October, 2008, 05:14:02 PM
: "King Trout"
The Boys is probably my favourite comic right now. You should definitely get more of it!

- Trout


Agreed ( Terror Rocks )
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: Dandontdare 03 October, 2008, 07:05:55 PM
Okay, Garth can be  wee bit gratuitous at times, but that's his style and we all like it really! He makes no bones about it that's for sure - when the only dialogue on issue one, page one is "I'll fucking have you. You cunt" you know what you're in for.

Vol 2 has some priceless moments - Love Sausage  or "I can't stop fucking things" - top class stuff.

Anyone know when vol 3 is likely to come out?
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: Tiplodocus 13 October, 2008, 06:42:42 PM
Ordered THE BOYS Volume 1 from Forbidden Planet.  

Along with a SUPER MARIO GALAXY poster for Tiny Tips.

I hope the two don't get mixed up...
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: Proudhuff 13 October, 2008, 11:19:25 PM
LOL!

'Mummy Tips why is Mario doing that to the lady dog?'
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: Trout 13 October, 2008, 11:46:17 PM
I just got issue 23 through the post today - the first part of We Gotta Go Now.

SPOILER

That last page's fucking hilarious!

- Trout
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: Tweak72 14 October, 2008, 11:35:06 AM
: "dandontdare"
Okay, Garth can be  wee bit gratuitous at times, but that's his style and we all like it really! He makes no bones about it that's for sure - when the only dialogue on issue one, page one is "I'll fucking have you. You cunt" you know what you're in for.

Vol 2 has some priceless moments - Love Sausage  or "I can't stop fucking things" - top class stuff.

Anyone know when vol 3 is likely to come out?

I totally agree. when I saw The first words spoken in the Boys "I'll fucking have you. You cunt" I knew exactly what I was in for.

Its out now and I have a copy.
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: gurnard 14 October, 2008, 11:41:57 AM
Trout, I am with you on that the last page was a laugh out loud moment.  Always get one of those with this comic.
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: Dandontdare 14 October, 2008, 07:09:49 PM
: "Tweak72"
Its out now and I have a copy.

'scuse me, I have an urgent appointment with Amazon.....  :)
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: Dandontdare 14 October, 2008, 07:19:09 PM
Done and dusted. :D Cheers for the tip Tweak.

Also begun my JD casefile collection with vol1- never considered these really, cos I have all the progs, but they're piled up in a loft miles away, so not a lot of use! If I get one or two a month (and maybe a few at Crimble), shouldn't take me long to build up a formidable Dredd-library
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: I, Cosh 16 October, 2008, 10:44:01 PM
: "Art"
A little on the end of The Punisher, pretty much my fave recent Ennis thing, maybe even replacing Hitman in my heart.
I'm slowly working my way through the hardback Punisher Max collections and enjoying it quite a bit more than The Boys because of the more serious edge to it. It can be a bit jarring though. I've just finished the 3rd one which contains The Slavers, one of the grimmest things I've ever read (not meant as a criticism), immediately followed by Barracuda which is one of those really tedious "I've dreamed up what I belive is a really, really nasty character and can't think of anything better to do with him" stories.

Got Welcome Back Frank recently too. The bit with the polar bear is genius.
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: Richmond Clements 17 October, 2008, 12:10:56 PM
Got Welcome Back Frank recently too.

Alright for some!


http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/6520 ... chsource=0 (http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/652048/-/Product.html?searchstring=welcome+back+frank&searchsource=0)
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: TheEdge 17 October, 2008, 02:00:52 PM
: "His Lordship rac"
Got Welcome Back Frank recently too.

Alright for some!


http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/6520 ... chsource=0 (http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/652048/-/Product.html?searchstring=welcome+back+frank&searchsource=0)

only $5 a shot at amazon .com
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: Proudhuff 04 November, 2008, 03:27:14 PM
Just finished the 1st issue of Battlefields: Night Witches. Great stuff, this is the reprint stuff that could finally fill the pages of the Meg. Young Soviet air wimmin against the Thousand Year Reich! heart wrenching really, the loss of young lifes.

(http://http://media.comicmix.com/media/2008/08/22/bf-nightwitches01-cov-00.jpg)
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: Proudhuff 04 November, 2008, 03:31:12 PM
oh and this...
(http://http://www.readaboutcomics.com/images/2008/100308_backtobrooklyn01.jpg)

which is a kinda Sopranos/Wire type tale...
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: Goaty 11 November, 2008, 11:55:45 AM
that final image, don't you means The G-Men??? lol
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: I, Cosh 11 November, 2008, 09:37:42 PM
Wish I'd held off on that Welcome Back Frank book now as it would've helped justify splashing out on this come Christmas time...

http://http://www.amazon.co.uk/Punisher-Garth-Ennis-Omnibus-HC/dp/0785133836/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226440342&sr=8-33
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: Dandontdare 19 November, 2008, 08:34:59 PM
: "dandontdare"
: "Tweak72"
Its out now and I have a copy.

'scuse me, I have an urgent appointment with Amazon.....  :)

That was over 5 weeks ago and my Boys Vol.3 still ain't arrived. Amazon just keep putting the ETA back - currently at 3rd Dec. Anyone else have trouble getting hold of this?
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: Goaty 19 November, 2008, 08:36:53 PM
try www.play.com (http://www.play.com) as many graphic novels got 25% off on it, and it free post!
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: Tiplodocus 21 November, 2008, 07:20:46 PM
Oh blimey!

That nice Proudhuff has only gone and sent me Nightwitches and Back to Brooklyn.

Both of which were very good.

So a very public thank you.
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: Dandontdare 26 November, 2008, 06:00:29 PM
Woohoo! My Boys vol 3 FINALLY arrived yesterday - good stuff! I did like Ennis' take on comic fans:

(http://http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/anaconda888/ennis-fanboys001.jpg)

One odd thing though - this volume is published by Dynamite Entertainment, rather than Titan Books, with a glossy, less robust binding (flattening it for that scan won't have done it any good!). Annoyingly, the yellow logo ruins that spine-cosnsistency that us fanboys love to see on our shelves (like my Sandman collection - 10 perfectly matched volumes with one that is taller and wider than almost every other GN on my shelves. Petty I know, but... :angry: ). Anyone know if Dynamite has bought out Titan, or what the reason for this is?
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: gurnard 27 November, 2008, 11:58:03 AM
Dynamite are the publishers of The Boys, I know DC/Wildstorm had it up to issue 7 when they wiped their hands of it, but I thought Dynamite did all the GNs.

http://www.dynamiteentertainment.com/ht ... s_TPB.html (http://www.dynamiteentertainment.com/htmlfiles/c-The_Boys_TPB.html)
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: Dandontdare 27 November, 2008, 07:51:03 PM
: "gurnard"
Dynamite are the publishers of The Boys, I know DC/Wildstorm had it up to issue 7 when they wiped their hands of it, but I thought Dynamite did all the GNs.

http://www.dynamiteentertainment.com/ht ... s_TPB.html (http://www.dynamiteentertainment.com/htmlfiles/c-The_Boys_TPB.html)

vol 1 (1-6) and vol 2 (7-14) were both collected by Titan Books, with a lovely matt-black cover and spine, but weirdly both contain adverts for the ongoing comic by Dynamite, and for Preacher and other Darick Roberston titles by Vertigo/DC!

I also notice that Dynamite are now offering a bumper 'definitive' volume that covers 1-14. Frankly, I don't really care which company owns, or has deals with, which, I just don't like the bright yellow dynamite logo on the top of the spine!

I know, I know, get a life..... :D
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: Proudhuff 28 November, 2008, 12:51:33 PM
Seconds of NightWitches in store now! :D
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: Tiplodocus 01 December, 2008, 11:13:34 PM
nIGHTWITCHES - I think I shall pop in and purchase it.

Finished Volume 1 of The Boys.  Very good stuff. Some of it definitely gratuitous bt overall not.  I did particularly like:

Starlighter: But... but you're the Seven

Yes, and we'd like our dicks sucked.
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: Goaty 02 December, 2008, 03:24:24 PM
Sorry but always like this cover :)
(http://http://www.fantomcomics.com/Boys-Vol1-TPB-Cover.jpg)
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: TordelBack 12 January, 2009, 08:04:35 PM
Just read issues 1-26 of The Boys over the weekend.  Holy crap, it is brilliant.  I'm not Ennis' biggest fan (didn't like Preacher, dislike all but a significant handful of his Dredds etc.), but this is a masterpiece - Powers meets Brat Pack meets Troubled Souls meets Shaun of the Dead.  The cover to issue 18 may just be the greatest thing I have seen in the world of comics in years, and the 9-11 story was terrific.  I can't believe I now have to wait weeks on end for the next issue...

I also had occasion to read 0-3 of Crossed, which I thought were equally fantastic, although obviously a long way to go to see if it can be sustained beyond this appropriately sickening opening.  

What's happening to me, I used to hate all that pervy ultra-violence crap Ennis churns out.  I blame Obama.
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: satchmo 12 January, 2009, 09:03:08 PM
A chance re-read of Welcome Back, Frank last week has got me hoovering up Punisher Max issues on eBay like there's no tomorrow. The Boys is next.
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: Trout 12 January, 2009, 11:01:00 PM
I got the first Punisher MAX hardback for Christmas and it's fucking tremendous, in a Marvelesque Saint of Killers sort of way.

- Trout
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: Proudhuff 13 January, 2009, 02:22:18 PM
After just saying elsewhere I'm down to one US comic now I go in and pick up War is Hell, enjoyable but can't help thinking of Time Squared with that artwork.
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: Tiplodocus 04 February, 2009, 11:02:49 PM
Well, King Trout leant me THE BOYS up to issue 26 and I've just finished reading them in 3 or 4 installments on my daily commute.

A Therapist would have a field day with Mister Ennis I'm sure.  

There are so many brilliant ideas in the stories that it's hrd to list my favourites.  Some of it seems to be playing to the "gross out" movie crowd though, and some just seems to be there to see how much outrage can be caused.  There's plenty for conspiracy theory nuts to get a handle on and also plenty for your just to sit back and think "Yes - that's spot on" e.g. "then comes the peice of footage they love showing you and that no New Yorker ever wants to see again".

Some clunky plot holes - possibly resolved in later issues. Given VAs ability to manipulate the media, I'd have thought HOMELANDER would have just killed Frank first opportunity he got and trust any psothumously released blackmail material to be covered up.

But I love the, I'm not going to say SUBTEXT because it's so in your face, whole "I hate superhero comics, me" feel to it.  (especially as I quite like some of them).

And me. I must admit, the experience of some 26 issues of THE BOYS back to back can be likened somewhat to sex

I found it funny, gross, full of cocks, dirty, exciting, bouncing with breasts, kinky, touching, full of the exchange of bodily fluids and all sorts of things were done in all sorts of positions and at the end of it, I felt slightly ashamed.
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: Pete Wells 04 February, 2009, 11:36:19 PM
Yeah, The Boys is great but sometimes I wish I knew more about American comics so I could get all the references in there, I'm sure I'f like it even more! I was re-reading my TPB of volume 2 just last night and wondered if anyone can shed some light on this little rant; It's when Hughie meets 'The Legend' under the comicshop for the first time. The Legend says (I'm quoting here so apologies for the offensive language used):

"I hate all that comic book crap! Reminds me of those cocksuckers I outlived... Did I ever tell you about those fucks? That faggot they named the awards after... and that godamned ingrate had the balls to sue me -- what's the matter, Buddy, little dark in there...? Someone had to be in charge goddamnit!"

I assume the first half of the sentence is some kind of pop at Will Eisner, but who or what is the second half all about? Does anyone know the gossip?
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: Ignatzmonster 05 February, 2009, 01:30:19 AM
: "Pete Wells"
Yeah, The Boys is great but sometimes I wish I knew more about American comics so I could get all the references in there, I'm sure I'f like it even more! I was re-reading my TPB of volume 2 just last night and wondered if anyone can shed some light on this little rant; It's when Hughie meets 'The Legend' under the comicshop for the first time. The Legend says (I'm quoting here so apologies for the offensive language used):

"I hate all that comic book crap! Reminds me of those cocksuckers I outlived... Did I ever tell you about those fucks? That faggot they named the awards after... and that godamned ingrate had the balls to sue me -- what's the matter, Buddy, little dark in there...? Someone had to be in charge goddamnit!"

I assume the first half of the sentence is some kind of pop at Will Eisner, but who or what is the second half all about? Does anyone know the gossip?

Haven't read The Boys yet. I was afraid it was Ennis being shrill again. (The comments on this thread give me hope.) So I'm not sure who Legend is.  If he's sort of a Superman stand-in (like we needed more) my guess is that it refers to Jerry Siegel's suing of DC over the right's (or was it royalties) to superman.
 
And there's more where that came from come to think of it. Stan Lee also sued Marvel over money due for Spiderman profits. Kirby sued Marvel to get his original artwork back (reasonable enough). Marv Wolfman sued Marvel over the character Blade to which he said he had the right's. Joel Simon is suing Marvel over the right's to Captain America which he co-created with Kirby in the forties. There is a massive Bleak House like sue-all over the rights to Miracleman going on as we speak. Americans: we breath, we litigate.

I think Alan Moore said it best when answering a question as to why he wouldn't work for the big two:"I don't see the characters, I just see a long line of dying old men who never got the money they were due."
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: Trout 05 February, 2009, 09:45:56 PM
Hee hee!

Glad you liked them!

- Trout
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: Dandontdare 05 February, 2009, 09:58:51 PM
: "Ignatzmonster"
I'm not sure who Legend is. If he's sort of a Superman stand-in
Only if the last son of Krypton was a bitter foul-mouthed midget comic chop owner!
(http://http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/anaconda888/theLegend001.jpg)
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: TordelBack 05 February, 2009, 10:03:13 PM
Having had time to reflect on my recent The Boys marathon, I'm more convinced than ever that it's Ennis' masterpiece.  I just wish the bastards would make more faster.
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: Pete Wells 05 February, 2009, 11:21:55 PM
I really love The Boys and I think the characters within it are great but I loved Jessie and Tulip, I really loved 'em. I've never rooted for a relationship between fictional characters like I did for them, it was metal! Where many baulked at the last episode of Preacher I was just so happy, anything less than the sickly sweet ending would have been a travesty in my humble opinion.

So, I think The Boys is a masterpiece, but Preacher was the masterpiece.
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: Ignatzmonster 06 February, 2009, 06:05:05 AM
: "dandontdare"
: "Ignatzmonster"
I'm not sure who Legend is. If he's sort of a Superman stand-in
Only if the last son of Krypton was a bitter foul-mouthed midget comic chop owner!
(http://http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/anaconda888/theLegend001.jpg)

Robertson looks alot like Rick Veitch in this panel.
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: Radbacker 06 February, 2009, 09:07:56 AM
Boy's is Fn brilliant, I hear its a limited series too so definate start middle and end which is always good to hear.
just started book 3 the other day interesting to see Lil hughie relationship with Godgirl(Starlight).  

CU Radbacker
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: Proudhuff 17 February, 2009, 07:54:50 PM
Got this TPB off Greenmetropolis.com for a fabby £3.75!

(http://http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pHFOwElFL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

all books are that cost there and you can sell yer old paperbooks too.
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: I, Cosh 21 February, 2009, 02:06:18 PM
Anyone else read the first part of the new Battlefields story, Dear Billy?

The opening page is extraordinarily unpleasant even by Ennis' standards. Good stuff though. With the amount of research he must have to do, Garth should probably be approached to teach some sort of Open University history module on the second world war.
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: Proudhuff 21 February, 2009, 03:04:19 PM
I've had a look in it the FP but had to put it back til payday  :(  It appeared to start as a sort of TENKO story, this the end of the previous Eastern Front story and a double whammy of DMZ are also awaiting payday, the bairns shoes will have to wait!
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: Dandontdare 25 April, 2009, 03:50:20 PM
Just got my pre-order in for Boys vol.4.

Amazon, as it does, flagged up another Ennis title: The Pro - anyone read this? Opinions?
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: Sefton Disney 25 April, 2009, 04:44:09 PM
Dear Dan - I've got a copy of The Pro - about a New York hooker given superpowers by a bunch of meddling aliens - knocking around somewhere. If you like The Boys, it's well worth checking out. It's parctically a dress rehearsal, full of bodily fluids, swearing, savagely transparent parodies of all our "favourite" superheroes and pure malice. You'll laugh till your ribs ache and then the ending will put a lump in your throat. Great stuff.

Anyone who likes The Boys should probably give Ennis's Kev books a go, too. He's a little bit hampered by the constraints of working on an ongoing book - i.e. he isn't allowed to kill the Spandex bastards off - but the humour is still pretty savage and spot-on.

I'm totally down with Pete Wells about Preacher. I don't think I've ever cared about a fictional couple as much as I did for Jesse and Tulip (sorry, Nikolai and Jena). Anyone who complains about the ending has completely missed the point of the bloody comic. (Has anyone heard any more about the projected HBO TV version, BTW?)

I also thought War Stories was an exceptional piece of work that deserved a lot more praise and attention than it seemed to get. In particular, Condors, the Spanish Civil War story, is one of the best comics I've ever read, and is even more powerful and disturbing for having Carlos Ezquerra handling the art. The Guernica sequence will haunt your nightmares.

I haven't read that much of Garth Ennis's stuff for a while, but reading this thread has really re-kindled my interest in his work. I think I could well be adding The Boys and Battlefields to my shopping list.

A-one, a-two, a-one, two, three, four - Ooh, bears!  :lol:
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: Dandontdare 25 April, 2009, 06:47:37 PM
: "Sefton Disney"
Anyone who likes The Boys should probably give Ennis's Kev books a go, too.
I agree - I borrowed "a Man called Kev" from the library a few weeks ago. At the same time, I borrowed Guy Ritchie's "The Gamekeeper" (yes that's right, the hack formerly known as Mr Madonna  is branching into comics). Now on the surface you might think these are similar books - tales of revenge starring lone heroes armed with shotguns and a taste for violence fighting against the odds - but there was absolutely no comparison. One was witty, moving and tense, the other a cliched nonsensical storyboard for a movie that we can only pray never gets made.
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: Sefton Disney 25 April, 2009, 07:38:38 PM
Bloody hell - Guy Ritchie at the pictures was bad enough. Now he's going to stench up comics as well?

Interesting comparison, Dan. I don't know if Ritchie knows Garth Ennis from a hole in the ground, but Ennis has certainly had a big influence on contemporary comics. Your comparison put me in mind of an oft-repeated comment about Watchmen: that all comics took from Watchmen was the sex and violence, but none of Moore's heart, wit and intelligence. I think something similar is true of Ennis. I think a lot of his imitators have simply lifted his extremity without noticing the storytelling, humanity and emotion that underpins even his darkest and most comedic work. And I think the hack-copyists have had a kind of blowback effect on Ennis, so that he's been lumped in with his imitators. (I think a very similar thing happened to Quentin Tarantino, one of Ennis's admitted influences.) Ennis's work can be extreme - and sometimes I think he does like to go for a gratuitous shock - but I think there's so much more to his best work than profanity, explicit violence and perverse sex. Although I dig all that stuff, too.

A random example: the bit in one of the Kev books where Kev's mate has become a celebrity SAS author. It starts of as a gag about "Breville Two-Zero" and then transforms into a serious, interesting and actually rather touching dissection of the public's fascination with warfare. To pull off a shift in tone like that takes a lot of intelligence and a lot of skill as a writer, especially in a book as overtly comedic as Kev.

BTW, I think the Legend is probably a broad satire on various disgruntled comics writers of a certain age, stitched
together from various sources. But I do see a lot of Eisner, Siegel and Lee in there! I'm amazed Ennis has a career Stateside at all, especially when you consider what Marshall Law did for Pat Mills' career in the USA!

Noncemancer, Reverend Swear and Busydick - priceless!  :lol:

Quality Alan Moore quote, too. But then they usually are, aren't they?
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: I, Cosh 25 April, 2009, 09:04:23 PM
Isn't it just Guy Ritchie's name slapped on the front in a weird, misguided attempt to get people to buy it? It's actually written by Andy Diggle.

The Mighty Kev books are hilarious.
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: Roger Godpleton 25 April, 2009, 09:14:59 PM
The thing I find with Ennis is that he goes from being a genius to a opportunistic hack every five minutes (this is in my mind BTW). I actually find though that he's often most offensive when he's being sentimental.
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: Sefton Disney 26 April, 2009, 10:00:37 AM
Fair comment, Godpleton.

I think that's probably why I drifted away from his stuff around the time Preacher ended - there was a hell of a lot of it and it was hard to tell which books were done for love rather than money.

That's why I've found this thread so useful and enjoyable, too!
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: Colin YNWA 03 May, 2009, 04:08:07 PM
...and tanks.

Has anybody picked up the first issue of Tankies with Carlos Ezquerra? Absolute class. Great characters and typical Ennis no holds barred war story. All draw by typical Ezquerra goodness. Not sure about Ezquerra inked by his son yet BUT I think thats as much to do with my need to get used to it as being so used to his own inking style as opposed there being anything wrong with Hector's inking itself.

Anyway Tankies is brillant.
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: I, Cosh 03 May, 2009, 04:52:10 PM
Thought it was okay, but a step back to a more generic Ennis story after Dear Billy, which I thought was superb.

Did somebody mention War Stories earlier? I've only just read the first collection and the stand-out there was the one about the Italian front: The D-Day Dodgers. Really powerful ending to that one and the book itself was enhanced by the bibliography and Ennis' afterword which sees him venting his not inconsiderable spleen on a target rather more deserving of his attentions than the idiocies of superhero comics.

The Battlefields series certainly seems to be a direct continuation of the War Stories idea. What War Stories seemed to be to me (and I mean this in a good way) was an updating both in terms of content and of attitude of the old Commando comics. I think I've only ever seen him write about WW1. Has he ever strayed outwith this era?
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: Ignatzmonster 03 May, 2009, 05:14:41 PM
: "The Cosh"
Thought it was okay, but a step back to a more generic Ennis story after Dear Billy, which I thought was superb.

Did somebody mention War Stories earlier? I've only just read the first collection and the stand-out there was the one about the Italian front: The D-Day Dodgers. Really powerful ending to that one and the book itself was enhanced by the bibliography and Ennis' afterword which sees him venting his not inconsiderable spleen on a target rather more deserving of his attentions than the idiocies of superhero comics.

The Battlefields series certainly seems to be a direct continuation of the War Stories idea. What War Stories seemed to be to me (and I mean this in a good way) was an updating both in terms of content and of attitude of the old Commando comics. I think I've only ever seen him write about WW1. Has he ever strayed outwith this era?

Go get War Stories #2. Ennis' entire reputation could stand on those two volumes IMO. Punisher for me only started to become readible when Ennis decided to make it a war comic in Born. I'm curious about the Battlefield series but I get the impression he could have squeezed each series into 64 pages like he did for war stories. Damned decompressed comics!

I would like to see Ennis take on a war story that takes place prior to WW1. That and I wish he would take on something like Charlie's War: a war story with recurring characters that would tke place over several volumes.
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: Colin YNWA 03 May, 2009, 06:37:45 PM
: "Ignatzmonster"

I would like to see Ennis take on a war story that takes place prior to WW1. That and I wish he would take on something like Charlie's War: a war story with recurring characters that would tke place over several volumes.

Yeah both things I'd like to see Ennis do. I wonder what the market for an ongoing WWII series by Ennis would be like? Kinda thing you'd think DC might one day like to give a whirl as they have a far more diversity in they're comics these days.

I thought all the Battlefield's stories were 3 issue minis making them around and about 64 pages each anyway?
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: Ignatzmonster 03 May, 2009, 06:50:04 PM
: "Colin_YNWA"

I thought all the Battlefield's stories were 3 issue minis making them around and about 64 pages each anyway?

Crap, that's even more irritating. Why not just put each story in one package rather than milk the readers? Waiting for the trade for sure then.

I think a long series would sell well, if not better, than these self contained stories. He should revamp Johnny Red. I love that comic but there are so many possibilities it could not touch. I was reading it online at the same time I was reading Grossman's Life and Fate and it drove me nuts from the sense of potential story left untapped.
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: Trout 04 May, 2009, 08:44:31 AM
I loved D Day Dodgers. Heart-breaking stuff.

- Trout
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: Tiplodocus 06 May, 2009, 12:09:13 PM
I did enjoy WAR STORIES very much but thought that it did wear it's influences a little too proudly on it's sleeves. (The HMS ULYSEES "homage" in particular).

Anyway, Huff, Cosh has just leant me DEAR BILLY and absolutely corking it is too.  So if you still need it, drop me a line and I'll post it over to you for your delictation and delight. We can work out how to get it back to him later.
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: Proudhuff 06 May, 2009, 01:38:32 PM
Thanks, I will check Deedheed Comics first as I've only missed the 3rd one of 'Billy', mind you that Pimp Bolt 01 has cleaned oot the bairns piggy bank again with all his fancy city ways and comics, swine!
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: Trout 06 May, 2009, 01:45:15 PM
I liked Dear Billy. It's powerful stuff.
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: I, Cosh 31 May, 2009, 09:36:42 PM
According to the editorial in the latest issue, Tankies is the last of the Battlefields stories, but there's going to be a bumper collection of all three. Wonder if it just wasn't selling enough or what the reason is.

In other news, the last issue of The Boys was a bit of a surprise. Every character got a quiet little moment that revealed something about them, there was a funny bit and an unpleasant bit. More of this please Garth.
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: Tiplodocus 31 May, 2009, 11:18:06 PM
Just caught up with Parts 1 and 2 of THE TANKIES and I must say I'm a bit disappointed with it.  The story and tone are all over the place; a seemingly unconnected series of alternately violent and funny and tragic vignettes that seem to work against each other.  All a big step back from the sublime DEAR BILLY.

The comedy Geordie is funny though and I do love seeing Ezquerra drawing Panthers and Tigers and Churchills.  He always makes the German equipment and uniforms look a thousand times cooler than the British and Yank stuff (probably because it was).  However, some of the layouts are confusing (especially the soldiers firing upon soldiers) and I think the art is a little too muscular and, dare I say it, cartoony at times.  And I'm very disappointed with the colours - they just do not seem right for any of the stories being told.

But fuck me, that turn the page big picture of you staring down a Tiger's 88 was brilliant.
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: Emperor 31 May, 2009, 11:29:12 PM
: "The Cosh"
According to the editorial in the latest issue, Tankies is the last of the Battlefields stories, but there's going to be a bumper collection of all three.

Just in time for Xmas too:

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefields_(comics)#Collected_editions

: "The Cosh"
Wonder if it just wasn't selling enough or what the reason is.

I was under the impression this was the plan all along:

This October, as part of what Dynamite Entertainment is calling Garth Ennis Month, the fan-favorite writer dives into the real life backdrop that winds his clocks with the first issue of a three-story, nine-part limited series titled “Garth Ennis’ Battlefields.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=17795 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17795)

They must known Ennis would sell well enough, sales might impact on whether he gets to do it again in the near future.
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: Proudhuff 01 June, 2009, 12:28:35 PM
just caught up on these...

Read the 3rd part of Billy in FP... NO READING indeed!   :D   (Thanks for the offer above by the way, FP kindly helped out in that Dept)

Missed the first part of Tankies but went straight onto the second, great stuff, the 'fog of War' confusion well portrayed, the guys with the Brens was well handled too, if a little off on the colouring, but young Hector doing a great job otherwise  

Also got the final part of Back to Brooklyn....EEEEK! what a great finale, good twist at the end and real radge bastard violence and almost as many Fwords as the Big Lewbowski! if this is collected I'd advise anyone to get it but keep it away from the sprogs!

The news of a hardback Battlefields collection in time for the Xmas market is great, hopefuly added extras in that too.

Cosh did you say your D-day Dodgers has a Bibliography at the end? If so, does Ennis give credit to Hamish Henderson for the orginal song in it?
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: Tiplodocus 02 June, 2009, 10:25:53 PM
Back to Brooklyn
Thanks your Huffness. I keep forgetting to say how much I'm enjoying this. It's a farily slight tale but there's some spot on characterisation and dialogue, some lovely art and typical (for Ennis) in your face violence.  Only slightly dodgy part so far has been [spoiler:3v61bcje]throwing momma from the bridge[/spoiler:3v61bcje]but then again part of me thinks he imagined all of that. The bit with [spoiler:3v61bcje]the dogs[/spoiler:3v61bcje]was a cool (if slightly unbelievable) set piece.  

Not quite as good as the utterly sublime CRIMINAL by Brubaker and Phillips that His Highness leant me but still a jolly good read.
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: Proudhuff 03 June, 2009, 10:49:53 AM
I'll pop part five in the post tomoroow, if you like the dogs and the ultra violence wait till you see issue 5 and its use of utensils!
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: Tiplodocus 08 June, 2009, 12:57:03 PM
BACK TO BROOKLYN did indeed end with some style.

There was some clever changing of sympathies in the last few issues as our hero goes [spoiler:28t4kfwm]from being a stand up guy to being, quite frankly, just as bad as the rest of them (throwing his Mom in front of a truck).[/spoiler:28t4kfwm]

The reveal about [spoiler:28t4kfwm]his wife was rather spoilt by the fact she's had so little character development[/spoiler:28t4kfwm]. It left me with a kind of  "so what?".

But the end fight was refreshingly low on gimmicks and cool and full of straight on beat the crap out of each other with whatever is to hand.

"Look after Mom!"
"Done."
Heh heh.
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: Pete Wells 08 June, 2009, 08:45:04 PM
Just a heads up that Team Ezquerra are on art duties for the next few issues of The Boys, and verrry nice it is too!
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: Dandontdare 08 June, 2009, 09:32:50 PM
: "Pete Wells"
Just a heads up that Team Ezquerra are on art duties for the next few issues of The Boys, and verrry nice it is too!
Seriously? Ohboyoboyoboyoboy! :D
I've got vol 4 & 5 (Herogasm)  on pre-order with Amazon!
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: I, Cosh 09 June, 2009, 12:05:37 AM
: "Proudhuff"
Cosh did you say your D-day Dodgers has a Bibliography at the end? If so, does Ennis give credit to Hamish Henderson for the orginal song in it?
No. I think he says the writer isn't known.
: "Pete Wells"
Just a heads up that Team Ezquerra are on art duties for the next few issues of The Boys, and verrry nice it is too!
Funny. I was just going to say I thought it was pretty ropey. I think maybe I'm just used to Robertson take on the characters so it's strange to see them look almost the same but not quite.
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: Proudhuff 09 June, 2009, 10:15:56 AM
: "The Cosh"
: "Proudhuff"
Cosh did you say your D-day Dodgers has a Bibliography at the end? If so, does Ennis give credit to Hamish Henderson for the orginal song in it?
No. I think he says the writer isn't known.
 

that's a pity, there seems to be a general agreement that he had a hand in writing it, but offically couldn't say this as he was an Officer and the man who accepted the Italian surrender from Marshall Graziani.
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: Colin YNWA 04 August, 2009, 12:57:58 PM
Well the last issue of Tankies was great. I've really enjoyed the series and I'm very much looking forward to the sequel, although it will keep Carlos away from 2000ad for a while, he seems to be getting a lot of work in America these days.

Anyway Ennis will be returning with a sequel to Tankies and a couple of other 3 issue Battlefields mini next year apparently. Something to look forward to.
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: Tiplodocus 04 August, 2009, 01:04:37 PM
I must say I've got the opposite opinion of teh final issue of THE TANKIES.  There are some individual moments that are very good but overall, it was just too disjointed and lacked any form of narrative drive for me.  It really did seem like a random collection of events.  Whether that was the point (i.e. war can seem random and you never see the big picture) I just don't know.

I'll read all thre parts again in one sitting just to see if it holds up better.

I've seen Carlos do tanks much better as well.

Overall, a bit of a disappointment after the sublime DEAR BILLY.
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: I, Cosh 04 August, 2009, 09:32:14 PM
While entertaining, The Tankies was the weakest of the three stories for me. It did read better in one go where it became clear what parts of the confusion were deliberately part of the story and which were down to my forgetfulness.

While it's the most obvious candidate, it didn't explicitly say that Tankies 2 was coming, did it? I can easily handle another Night Witches story.
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: Colin YNWA 05 August, 2009, 08:34:20 AM
While it's the most obvious candidate, it didn't explicitly say that Tankies 2 was coming, did it? I can easily handle another Night Witches story.

Oh yeah sorry not in the book itself I've read it elsewhere... hold on... can't for the life of me find it but it has been announced that Tankies sequel will be one of the three. If I find the report I'll post.
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: Paul faplad Finch 09 August, 2009, 06:59:35 PM
Read The Pro and Back To Brooklyn yesterday. Was a bit surprised by the ending of The Pro. What had been a quite light hearted read ending in the way it did could have been a wrench but they pull it off. Have to admit, her giving the villain a golden shower at the end of the fight made me piss myself laughing (no pun intended), on the bus home. Got some funny looks I can tell you.

Gotta say though, have to agree that the bit in Back To Brooklyn with his wife being a bad 'un did kind of come out of nowhere, as Tiplodocus noted, but I'm not sure he ended up looking as bad as the rest of them though. I'd have thought that killing your own mother cos she turned out to be a psychotic bitch probably takes a certain strength of character. Yeah, he's done really bad stuff but just the fact that he's willing to make any kind of stand, against everything he's ever believed in, makes him something of a hero, regardless of his methods. It woud have been very easy to turn a blind eye.

Have to say, as differet as they both were I loved both of these books. Maybe I have a little bit of hero worship going on but I can't think of whwen Garth Ennis last let me down.
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: I, Cosh 09 August, 2009, 09:21:44 PM
I was a bit surprised to see John McRea filling in for Carlos on the latest issue of The Boys. Hopefully it's because Ezquerra's busy drawing hundreds of pages of Stront & Dredd.
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: Dandontdare 26 August, 2009, 02:00:26 PM
Picked up Battler Britton from the library the other day, mainly because I couldn't find anything that appealed to me that I hadn't already read (which is rare). I really didn't think I'd like it as I've never been a fan of straight war comics, but The Mighty Garth's name was enough to sway me - I was curious to see how he'd manage to fit all the blasphemy and sexual deviancy into a WWII story.

I was pleasantly surprised and totally gripped! A brilliant, action packed, character-driven story in which nobody needs to get tortured or fuck a chicken!

As for the Boys vol 4, I thought the cover was absolutely awful, but the story is trundling along nicely in the same vein. Is the novelty wearing off? A bit - I'd like to see the plot threads - Hughie and his girl, Butcher's backstory, the showdown with the Seven - start to get wrapped up now as it's beginning to feel a wee bit stretched out.

And I'm having second thoughts about Carlos Ezquerra. Has his run stared in the comics yet? Although he's one of my favourite artists, I'm not sure if his style would fit this strip. Well, I've had vol 5 on pre-order since before vol 4 came out, so I'll just have to wait and see!
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: pauljholden 12 September, 2009, 09:32:10 PM
http://titanbooks.com/chat/uk/garth-ennis/

I'm drawing a three part strip for Garth's Battlefields series "Happy Valley" - I'm just over the halfway mark - and I'll let you all know when you can pick it up - it's some good stuff (even ignoring the artwork, scripts are excellent!)

-pj
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: Colin YNWA 12 September, 2009, 09:36:42 PM
http://titanbooks.com/chat/uk/garth-ennis/

I'm drawing a three part strip for Garth's Battlefields series "Happy Valley" - I'm just over the halfway mark - and I'll let you all know when you can pick it up - it's some good stuff (even ignoring the artwork, scripts are excellent!)

-pj

That'll be worth checking out looking forward to it but really Tharg needs to be reining you driods in and getting you to concentration on the Galaxy's Greatest. I mean you'd think he was advocating artist freedom rather than cracking the whip (or threatening the Mekquake however its phrased?)
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: House of Usher 13 September, 2009, 06:34:13 PM
I did a bit of a stock-take on Friday and found that I'd missed 5 issues of The Boys between issues 25 and 31. I picked up all the missing back issues on Saturday and read them this morning. I'm sure it's an expensive way to do it, and the trade paperbacks would probably have been cheaper. Hmm. Why do I even buy monthly comics any more? Anyway, I was surprised at how the G-Men story ended. The story of the G-men was sad, and the ending made me think "is that it?" I was expecting something more like a fight, with survivors! But I did like how the story grabbed the X-Men G-Men and really rubbed their noses in it. I've always been more of a fan of the Avengers myself, but I don't care about them much any more either. Which is probably why I'm enjoying seeing the punishment being handed out to Payback in The Boys at the moment.
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: Trout 19 September, 2009, 01:58:31 AM
The latest issue of The Boys had me laughing aloud at the return of Love Sausage!

Also, reading Herogasm, I only just got that the vice-president and president are called Vic and Bob. :-[

- Trout
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: Proudhuff 24 September, 2009, 01:37:59 PM
there seems to be a bit of a derth of GE in the comic shops just now, the next issues of couple of other things i picked up over the summer seem to have disappeared too, can't be arse chasing them down either...

Still PJ on Happy Valley is something to look forward to
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: Paul faplad Finch 04 October, 2009, 03:25:09 PM
I picked up Streets of Glory and Chronicles of Wormwood from The Travelling Man the other day. Not read Wormwood yet but as for Streets... What 's up with the art?

Anyone else read this? At first I thought the guy was maybe just struggling with the excessive gore in the fight scenes but on closer inspection the book is chock full of niggling little flaws. The guys anatomy is well off in a load of places. One panel of the hero holding a shotgun in the crook of his arm is so stiff and awkward it actually looks like the guy has a prosphetic hand.

It's a shame because on first glance in the shop it looked like nice stuff.

Mike Wolfer is the name of the artist. Has he done much else do we know? Maybe he's just starting out.

As for the story, while not Garths best work it was still a very enjoyable read. It covered a lot of his favourite ground, with a vicious basterd for a hero who is condemned by the townsfolk for the things he's done but continues to do them anyway because he knows there is worse than him out there.

Wormwood is on hold cos I got Flesh from FP on the same day so thats next.
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: Dandontdare 04 October, 2009, 04:57:44 PM
let me know what you make of Wormwood as I've been considering this.
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: Tiplodocus 07 October, 2009, 10:55:51 PM
Reread THE TANKIES in one sitting last night and I still stand by my opinion that it was the weakest of teh three. Too muddled, no central narrative and Ezquerra's art was, and this may get me burnt at the stake, a bit too muscular for the story. 

DEAR BILLY is still superb and I really liked NIGHT WITCHES though so, as Meatloaf says...
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: Proudhuff 13 October, 2009, 03:57:54 PM
Anyone else been following Crossed?

Up to now I've read it in the shop but the latest issue was intriguing enough to be added to my wee bundle (two Sherlock Holmes, a Do andriods dream and an old Omivistascope)   

Its a highly enjoyable zombie helltrek but with GE sweary bits and gore.
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: Paul faplad Finch 13 October, 2009, 04:10:11 PM
Anyone else been following Crossed?

Up to now I've read it in the shop but the latest issue was intriguing enough to be added to my wee bundle (two Sherlock Holmes, a Do andriods dream and an old Omivistascope)   

Its a highly enjoyable zombie helltrek but with GE sweary bits and gore.

I'm waiting for the trades on this, as I do with all my comics. Other than 2000ad of course. This is one I'm waiting particularly impatiently for I have to admit.

Am I allowed to say that I only buy trades. I overheard a conversation in the shop the other day between a staffmember and a customer with a big pile of comics.  The customer was bemoaning the fact that his mate had gotten angry with him for giving him spoilers. The staff guy's reply?

"Fuck him.  I fucking hate tradewaiters, set of pricks."

Is this some stigma I have been blissfully unaware of. I felt a little nervous as I sidled gingerly past with my pile of trades.  I consoled myself that perhaps this is why the gorgeous girl in the comic shop won't give me the time of day. It's nowt to do with my crushingly dull personality or pitiful looks. She just hates people who wait for trades.
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: Richmond Clements 13 October, 2009, 04:29:33 PM
"Fuck him.  I fucking hate tradewaiters, set of pricks."

Is this some stigma I have been blissfully unaware of. I felt a little nervous as I sidled gingerly past with my pile of trades.

Wereas I would have asked to see the manager and complained about him. Swearing in front of customers? That's a no-no.
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: Satanist 13 October, 2009, 04:42:13 PM
"Fuck him.  I fucking hate tradewaiters, set of pricks."

Is this some stigma I have been blissfully unaware of. I felt a little nervous as I sidled gingerly past with my pile of trades.

Wereas I would have asked to see the manager and complained about him. Swearing in front of customers? That's a no-no.

To be fair he was swearing in front of a scummy tradewaiter :) even worse above that huffster admits to treating other peoples future purchases like hes in a fucking library >:(

Its a strange one as I imagine if we all waited on the collected edition then there would be no comics to collect?

Anyhoo just picked up the latest issue of Crossed and it is indeed great stuff. It has a man weilding a horses cock in it and thats just the first page.
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: Buddy 13 October, 2009, 06:16:57 PM

"Fuck him.  I fucking hate tradewaiters, set of pricks."

Is this some stigma I have been blissfully unaware of. I felt a little nervous as I sidled gingerly past with my pile of trades.

I think I would have dumped all the trades you were carrying onto the counter top, looked him in the eye and said "I'M a prick tradewaiter, but I guess I'll wait on my trades and spend my money elsewhere"

Or something like that.
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: TordelBack 13 October, 2009, 06:55:48 PM
F****ng Tradewaiters!  Better to be a Librarywaiter like me, we're really killing comics.

Thought latest issue of Crossed (7) was disappointingly mild, and managed to wring not an iota of pathos out of the most significant story development yet.  I hope Walking Dead handles this better When the Time Comes.  

For the really good stuff you need to go back to the first issue, and what is still the most horrific, explicit and frankly disturbing comics double splash I've ever laid eyes on.  I actually despise myself a little (more) for thinking it's bloody brilliant.
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: Dandontdare 13 October, 2009, 07:06:13 PM
I'd have done the same: "If you think I'm a prick, I'll take my business elsewhere". You didn't mention which shop it was - c'mon NAME AND SHAME!

Forbidden Planet seem have a rep for rude condescending staff, though I've never had any bother personally, but I've recently discovered Travelling Man in Manchester which is even nicer - really friendly and helpful staff and just as much stock in a space a quarter of the size (more comics and less cash-in merchandising - though I was tempted by the big plastic Thor hammer the other day!)
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: Paul faplad Finch 13 October, 2009, 07:29:15 PM
Well, I was in a FP branch but I'll not say which as I've never had any kind of pproblem in there in the past. Either this guy is alone in his feelings or the rest of them just swallow the hate when they're dealing with me.  As for the swearing, I got the feeling that they were old mates (the conversation I heard was certainly very casual) but yeah, he did say it loud enough for me to hear so possibly I could have complained. Never really occured to me though as if I'm honest I swear like a trooper in casual conversation so it just sounds normal when I hear it.

As for Travelling Man, I absolutely prefer it to FP. Make occasional trips to FP, like the one above, if I know I want something merchandise wise and will pick up some books while I'm there. Otherwise it's Travelling Man all the way. My local one is also much smaller than the nearby FP but does seem to have a much better range and yes, very friendly staff. Maybe they pay more than FP.
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: Proudhuff 15 October, 2009, 03:17:06 PM
"Fuck him.  I fucking hate tradewaiters, set of pricks."

Is this some stigma I have been blissfully unaware of. I felt a little nervous as I sidled gingerly past with my pile of trades.

Wereas I would have asked to see the manager and complained about him. Swearing in front of customers? That's a no-no.

To be fair he was swearing in front of a scummy tradewaiter :) even worse above that huffster admits to treating other peoples future purchases like hes in a fucking library >:(

Its a strange one as I imagine if we all waited on the collected edition then there would be no comics to collect?

Anyhoo just picked up the latest issue of Crossed and it is indeed great stuff. It has a man weilding a horses cock in it and thats just the first page.

I am in a library, but that's me job.  ;D

I don't have a problem reading comics in the shop especally if there is a sign telling me not to. I can't afford to splash out £3 very time something might catch my eye and given I'm handing over a good whack most times I'm in I'm entitled to look. Having browsed the previous ones I've bought the recent one and will probably now buy the Trade. Now if I could look thro em I would have just left it same goes for everything I've mentioned above, so its an investment for the shop allowing the likes of me to browse.

More importantly can't they ever surprise us with the music in FP? It seems designed to drive people out with sheer volume and its boringness.
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: Colin YNWA 27 October, 2009, 06:25:51 PM
Over at Newsarama ennis has confirmed the other 2 stories in the current run of Battlefields after 'Happy Valley'. The sequel to 'Tankies' I'd already heard about but also a sequel to 'Night witches'

"The second is The Firefly And His Majesty, the sequel to series one's The Tankies, in which Sergeant Stiles finally gets a better tank- unfortunately, so do the Germans. The last one is Motherland, sequel to The Night Witches, wherein pilot Anna Kharkova gets posted to single-seat fighters in time for the battle of Kursk- one of the biggest and most terrible slaughtering matches of the entire war."

more here about the possiblity of future stories too...

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/091027-Ennis-Battlefields.html (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/091027-Ennis-Battlefields.html)
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: Proudhuff 07 November, 2009, 10:55:31 PM
Latest Crossed anyone? that was not expected.I'm surprised its not been up  there with the boysin popularity ... first six now collected Hardback and on sale at 19 Quid!!!
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: Colin YNWA 27 November, 2009, 03:33:25 PM
Finally got around reading 'Battler Briton' which has been workig its way up my to read pile for an age now. What a romp, its brillant.

Ok so it can open to criticism that its just a well told but unoriginal war action story, but it wears its colours on it sleaves with pride and given what it is it's brillant. Ennis just has a blast with it all. Once you've read his introduction you have a pretty clear idea of where the story is going to go and what's going happen but he has such fun with its a blast to read.

All this and Colin Wilson art who is one of my favourites anyhoo.

Ripping yarn.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Mike Gloady 28 November, 2009, 09:47:24 AM
Wilson is brilliant at that type of thing.  On paper, I think I'm agnostic about Ennis in many ways, but when I've actually got something he's written in front of me I invariably enjoy it. 

Damn it. 

THAT'S ANOTHER COMIC I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK AT.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: strontium_dog_90 28 November, 2009, 12:46:44 PM
To any fans of The Boys living in good old Tyne & Wear, upon the first of several dreaded Christmas shopping "adventures" yesterday, I found that both FP and Travelling Man have copies of book five, the collected mini-series "Herogasm," which surprised me; Amazon is still listing it as not being out until the 19th of December. Not sure if they're imported copies or not, but it's well worth a read, and I've already demanded the collected edition for Christmas. But I'll probably have to keep it well away from the increasingly comic-curious kids . . .
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dandontdare 12 December, 2009, 05:08:19 PM
Pleasant surprise to find The Boys: Herogasm on the doormat this morning - been so long since I pre-ordered it I'd almost forgotten about it. If you liked the earlier volumes, the quality is maintained. Packed full of hilarious moments - a four way featuring the "Fantasticos", Vic the Veep's "dickie hat", Uncle Dream's acceptance speech at The Supies awards to name just a few.

The only thing I can't work out is why Hughie hasn't recognised his girlfriend as one of the Seven yet. Surely he'd have at least seen pictures of the new line-up by now, given his job?
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: TordelBack 12 December, 2009, 05:12:29 PM
The only thing I can't work out is why Hughie hasn't recognised his girlfriend as one of the Seven yet. Surely he'd have at least seen pictures of the new line-up by now, given his job?

I'd been thinking that seemed a bit contrived too, but then remembered that this is a comic taking the piss out of superheroes, and one of the core conceits of most superhero books is...
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: pauljholden 23 December, 2009, 10:28:19 PM
Been asked to pass this on:

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Garth Ennis is answering letters in this series of Battlefields/send to "letters@dynamiteentertainment.com"

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(That's also the email address if you want to tell them how awesome I am, too...!)

-pj
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 24 December, 2009, 02:38:50 PM
I'm sure there are a few here who'll be glad to get out the green ink once matron's away.  ;)
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 02 February, 2010, 12:04:15 PM
Waahay! A trip to Weegietoon reveals what it's like in a real comic shoppe:
Back issues, knowledgeable staff and a decent stock, I doff my hat to FP in Glasgae.
Even the music wasn't the 'I can piss off everyone with getting more mentalmetal than anyone'... if only they would move the Dr Who and Twilight figures away from the comics it would be truely wonderful.

The Battlefields: Happy Valley was a real treat, a lot of talking but PJ work carries the day!

Crossed is getting interesting, found issue one and thought that might help understand WTF going on...nope!

Tips will I send BF to you?
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: Tiplodocus 02 February, 2010, 12:29:11 PM
Thanks but no, Proudhuff. I shall be purchasing it myself.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 03 February, 2010, 11:45:42 AM
ooops sent it of already  :-[, you can keep em, or sell em if that would help get you to Hi-Ex!
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: TordelBack 03 February, 2010, 07:19:36 PM
Crossed is getting interesting, found issue one and thought that might help understand WTF going on...nope!

Unfortunately it's actually Issue 0 that sets out the stall and introduces the four main characters.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dog Deever 03 February, 2010, 09:13:09 PM
I'm a tradewaiter for The Boys as I'm no-where near a comics shop and have no idea til after series starts that they exist.Got my Herogasm too- it was great! Just have to wait ages for the next collection now...
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dandontdare 03 February, 2010, 10:06:23 PM
I'm a tradewaiter for The Boys as I'm no-where near a comics shop and have no idea til after series starts that they exist.Got my Herogasm too- it was great! Just have to wait ages for the next collection now...

Ditto for me. Anyone know if the next collection will contain the Ezquerra issues?
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dog Deever 03 February, 2010, 10:17:58 PM
Ezquerra on The Boys?



I've just wet myself!
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dandontdare 03 February, 2010, 10:25:13 PM
Ezquerra on The Boys?

Yup, sharing duties with John McCrea - though this review (http://andrenavarro.wordpress.com/2009/09/05/comic-review-the-boys-30-and-dark-entries-a-john-constantine-novel/) doesn't rate it. Haven't seen any of it, but I have wondered if his style would suit.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: I, Cosh 03 February, 2010, 11:26:57 PM
That review's a bit harsh but it wasn't a good fit.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: I, Cosh 03 February, 2010, 11:46:00 PM
Back issues, knowledgeable staff and a decent stock, I doff my hat to FP in Glasgae.
I'm always keen to slag FP off for being full of goths and toys but a few comments on here recently have made me see it in a new light. I can be certain that they will have virtually any comic I might want coming out on a given week (this stuff about folk getting Previews so they can order things months in advance is mental.) If I read something and like it, I can be pretty confident they'll have the last three or four issues available. They have a whole big 2000AD section, although I'm never sure if that's ghettoisation or not. Since the big, obnoxious guy left a while ago all the staff are pleasant.

I've been in the Edinburgh one a couple of times and it's astonishing how different they are.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: I, Cosh 04 February, 2010, 12:02:11 AM
And while I'm here, let's go for a triple post.

Just read the new issue of The Boys and there's a lovely little treat for us boarders. Un a cinq-un-neuf indeed!
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 04 February, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
I'm a tradewaiter for The Boys

Howled when I saw that!  :lol: mind you a t-shirt with TRADEWAITER on it would geat!
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dog Deever 04 February, 2010, 07:14:33 PM
Heh, with "SUE ME, FUCKO" on the back.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Kerrin 04 February, 2010, 08:46:15 PM
Ezquerra in the next trade? Fuckin' A!

: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: strontium_dog_90 05 February, 2010, 12:45:27 PM
oh man, why did someone have to post that the new issue of The Boys was out?? Was looking forward to a nice, peaceful few days in - now going to HAVE to go and pick it up from my local FP  :) man, it's an addictive title!
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 05 February, 2010, 01:45:42 PM
Crossed is getting interesting, found issue one and thought that might help understand WTF going on...nope!

Unfortunately it's actually Issue 0 that sets out the stall and introduces the four main characters.

ggggrrrrrrr! what's THAT about? issue 0, that and fourty different cover for each issue could confuse a simple man 
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Mike Gloady 05 February, 2010, 01:47:54 PM
I flat out HATE the idea of having an issue 0.  Annoying for PRECISELY that reason.  Needlessly confusing. 
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: pauljholden 05 February, 2010, 07:35:28 PM
You know, Garth's answering questions in the letter column of Battlefields - why not fire him off an email at letters@dynamiteentertainment.com - you might make it in time for Battlefields #3 ...

-pj
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Mike Gloady 05 February, 2010, 08:07:50 PM
You shameless plugger, Peej!
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Tiplodocus 27 May, 2010, 01:49:49 PM
OK, it's actually TANKS and BOYS but, despite not liking the last BATTLEFIELDS: THE TANKIES much, I still picked up the first two issues of THE FIREFLY AND HIS MAJESTY.

Mainly because the thought of Carlos drawing Waffen SS and King Tiger's was just too much to miss out on.

Happy to report that this is a much more focused tale and, in my opinion, much better for it.  The art is still delightful and the dialogue as clever and funny (and as chilling) as you'd expect from Ennis.  The characters still remain rough sketches but again, that's fine for me, they are filled out enough to make you care but not enough that you get bored with a list of "motivations".

The swings from comedy to tragedy are extreme and very quick so it's not always an easy read.

But yeah, very good stuff. Looking forward to part 3.

: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin YNWA 27 May, 2010, 01:54:23 PM
Yeah I've been getting this (I think the last part is out either today or next week?) and I've been really enjoying it, then I really enjoyed 'Tankies' which seems, at least judging from the response here, to have not been as well recieved as the other 'Battlefield' stories.

'Firefly and his majesty' has really cranked up the tension and there's a thrilling climax in issue 3 I suspect.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Marbles 27 May, 2010, 03:29:25 PM
yes the end of 'Firefly' was pretty intense, amother cracking 3 parter.

ennis + 2000ad artist + world war 2 = comic heaven for me
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dandontdare 27 May, 2010, 03:37:37 PM
Ennis does seem to be concentrating his best creative energies on WWII these days - I got Boys Vol 6 last week and it's definitely gone off the boil. They did clear up my niggling plot-point though, with a throwaway line to Hughie that "you haven't even got up to date with who's in the Seven" (ie his girlfriend!). Still fun, but going through the motions a bit.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: I, Cosh 27 May, 2010, 03:42:38 PM
Yeah I've been getting this (I think the last part is out either today or next week?) and I've been really enjoying it
Last part was out last week. The Tankies was the weakest of the first lot and I really didn't think much of the individual issues of this as I read them. I was pleasantly surprised when I sat down to reread the whole story at how well it worked: I think I must've read the second part when I was drunk, if at all, as I had no memory of any of the dramatic momemts from it.

I think the War Stories one-shot is a better format for these stories.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 27 May, 2010, 04:01:45 PM
Cracking finale of firefly read it this week.

And the collected Happy Valley is out too, thought PJ would have shamelessly pimped that!  :D but the publishers missed a trick by not having the writer (and Artist!) name on the front of it. as I think the illustration is similar at a glace on the bookshelf as to old Battler Britton GN. 
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin YNWA 28 May, 2010, 04:00:49 PM
While its not Garth Ennis this seems like an appropriate thread to mention DC is doing a set of one-shots of some of its classic war comics with some pretty decent looking creative teams.

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/05/28/dc-brings-back-key-war-titles-in-september/ (http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/05/28/dc-brings-back-key-war-titles-in-september/)
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin YNWA 04 June, 2010, 12:20:48 PM
Yike double post!

Anyway worth it as I've just read the last part of 'Firefly and His Majesty' and its chuffing superb. The thing that struck me the most was the end, the last page is a great example of why comics are a unique and powerful medium in their own right and not a lesser form of literature or a template for movies (ahem Mr Millar). I doubt any other medium would have had an ending quite like that, and certainly not one that was delievered with quite the same power.

This was a brillant series.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Paul faplad Finch 05 June, 2010, 02:14:32 AM
I have just discovered that Hitman is being reprinted. My funds are severely depleted and I haven't bought a non Rebellion GN in 6 months. I once read a comment that described this series as 'Preacher lite, but not in a bad way.' Or words to that effect. I loved Preacher, so my question is, should I take a chance on this? Is it well thought of by the bods on here? 
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Jared Katooie 05 June, 2010, 03:42:23 AM
Hitman is one of the best comics I've ever read. The characters are great, the action scenes are brilliant, and the jokes are hilarious. Ennis' best work to date, in my opinion.

Highly reccomended.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 24 June, 2010, 04:21:58 PM
Battlefields : Motherlands out now with a Gary Leach cover,

Anna from the Nightwitches returns:  great stuff, lots of planes for you spotters...


picked up the lastest Crossed too and felt sulled by the end of it, only afterwards noticed the change of writer
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin YNWA 25 June, 2010, 08:43:50 AM
Battlefields : Motherlands out now with a Gary Leach cover,

Anna from the Nightwitches returns:  great stuff, lots of planes for you spotters...


Read this on the train on the way into work this morning and have to say its really rather good. Again does what Ennis so often does so well with these stories it dances with cliche but always makes that dance so very exciting and different.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: TordelBack 25 June, 2010, 04:23:08 PM
picked up the lastest Crossed too and felt sulled by the end of it, only afterwards noticed the change of writer

Seriously, what is it with that new series of Crossed?  Ennis' run was sick to the core, but with some sort of desperate morality underlying it when the (literally) gut-wrenching antics of the Crossed were compared with the surviors, and was somehow compelling (and who could resist Horsecock? ;)).  This Lapham stuff barely features the Crossed, and instead we're treated to graphic and repeated incest and child abuse amongst the survivors.  Won't be reading any further.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 25 June, 2010, 04:32:06 PM
Won't be reading any further.

Same
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Trout 25 June, 2010, 08:34:14 PM
Anyone seen the adverts for the new Boys spin-off? It's called Highland Laddie and it seems to be the origin of Wee Hughie.

I love the ad, which has Hughie sitting on a bucket. I can't wait.

JINGS!

- Trout
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin YNWA 25 June, 2010, 09:12:36 PM
Funnily enough the September solicitations for Dynamite have just popped up over at Newsarama and there's ya fella.

THE BOYS: HIGHLAND LADDIE #2 (of 6)
32 pages FC  •  $3.99  •  Mature
Written by GARTH ENNIS 
Art by JOHN McCREA
Cover by DARICK ROBERTSON
“Black & White” retailer incentive cover by DARICK ROBERTSON
Hughie delves into his past, but finds that the halcyon days of childhood are not all they're cracked up to be. The successes of his junior detective operation with Big Bobby and Det were few and far between- but is there a connection between their oldest case and the shadowy outfit now moving narcotics through the idyllic town of Auchterladle? A certain Russian connection brings up a name from the Boys' past, in part two of the six-part Highland Laddie.

Retailers, check order form for ordering incentives.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Dynamite-september-2010-solicitations-100625.html (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Dynamite-september-2010-solicitations-100625.html)

Alas still no Wagner Zorro return but that's not really a topic for this thread I'll go sulk elsewhere!
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Pete Wells 03 July, 2010, 02:32:59 PM
Just want to agree with the views on Crossed Family Values which I had the misfortune to (half) read this week.

I'd be embarrassed turning scripts like that in, appalling. I felt uneasy reading them and for the first time ever with a comic, gave up reading out of shame.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Tiplodocus 09 July, 2010, 12:37:53 PM
That final issue of FIREFLY AND HIS MAJESTY was absolutely brillinat. Simple but very tense cat and mouse game with a superb climax.  I particulaly liked the "game" line as it stands very well on it's own but, if you've read "Dear Billy", riffs off that and you can extrapolate a little bit of insight into the King Tiger commander.

Fantastic expressive art as well.

Happy dinosaur - glad I took the risk as I really dind't like the first TANKIES.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 09 July, 2010, 02:04:44 PM
Ennis does have a thing about finales in churches along Crucifixions and Crucifixs, isn't there one on the cover of the latest Boys? and there was a nailed up holyman in Crossed too
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: TordelBack 09 July, 2010, 02:08:43 PM
Having finally lined up a complete run of Hellblazer (my own handful of trades and scattered floppies, a heap of library trades and a dozen or so sneaky downloads to fill gaps), I'm well into a long overdue re-read.  

I was really looking forward to it, and I hate to say it, but Ennis' run is not doing much for me.  Even scattered sequences which I remembered as great (down-and-out Constantine versus the King of the Vampires) just don't seem to hang together when read in order.  Even the Dillon art work now seems bland.  And the resolution of the down-and-out storyline is pitifully disappointing.  So far there is one great issue in his run, the David Lloyd one about a guy haunted by his diary.  The rest... just way too much of the same pubchat-and-bessie-mates-and-perfect-girlfriends stuff, and a woefully stupid (and stupid-looking) Satan.

Worst bit was an inane sequence where John stands on Westminster Bridge and thinks bad thoughts at the the occupants of the Houses of Parliament, who have always been the real enemy he's fighting. And then there's the daft Caligula Club...

 Still, I've a fair way to go yet, and it's better than the possessed bulldog buisness.  Maybe it'll pick up.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: TordelBack 10 July, 2010, 07:50:27 PM
The Boys 44.  Finally.  Can we move on now please?
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 25 August, 2010, 05:39:40 PM
Highland laddie: anyone else read it?

Lots of salutes to the broons and Oor Willie from the cover in, nice set up hopefully full on boys nonsense kicks off next issue
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 02 September, 2010, 12:37:58 PM
That will be a no then?  ;)

I noticed that THE FIREFLY AND HIS MAJESTY trade is out now looks loverly almost tempted...
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin YNWA 02 September, 2010, 01:23:47 PM
Don't be tempted - DO IT! Its chuffing great. I really enjoyed this particularly story better than 'Tankies' which I also enjoyed and probably the best 'Battlefields' yet.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: TordelBack 02 September, 2010, 02:22:14 PM
Don't be tempted - DO IT! Its chuffing great.

Yeah, seconded, it's great stuff.  Battlefields as a whole is amazing, probably Ennis' best work, with 'Happy Valley' being the highlight so far.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 03 September, 2010, 12:26:43 PM
noitced that Happy Valley was collected too, I have them all in individual comics so the collect ones would simply be a luxury hmmmm
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Tiplodocus 03 September, 2010, 12:56:28 PM
It's DEAR BILLY that does it for me. Possibly my favourite Ennis thing ever (so far).

: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin Zeal 03 September, 2010, 02:11:12 PM
I've just started reading The Boys and I think it's been excellent. You can add my name to the list of tradwaiters as well.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 07 September, 2010, 02:04:37 PM
Anyone seen issues 8 or 9 of Motherland?

I've seen images on-line but nothing in the shops

my last issue was this one:

[Emp edit: Image removed as it is generating security warnings. Please don't hotlink to other sites that aren't specifically image hosting sites]

: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin YNWA 07 September, 2010, 03:02:19 PM
Yeah I got them on in my bag in my LCS. Both are on eBay for £3.29 inc postage if you can't get um elsewhere?

http://books.shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=motherland&_sacat=63&_odkw=&_osacat=63&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313 (http://books.shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=motherland&_sacat=63&_odkw=&_osacat=63&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313)
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 07 September, 2010, 03:26:38 PM
cheers madear, if the comic shop don't have em I'll order from there.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: I, Cosh 07 September, 2010, 09:03:38 PM
Anyone seen issues 8 or 9 of Motherland?
Yep. You'll certainly get them if you ever venture to Weegieland.

Got to say I've found the second run of Battlefields a lot weaker than the first. No story really stood out like Dear Billy or D-Day Dodgers and, although I understand the thinking about following the same characters through a campaign, I think having two follow ups together was a mistake. I'd still be happy to see another run, but I'd probably buy the collections rather than single issues as they're written and work better that way.


On an extremely nerdy note, I quite like the way Ennis has managed to synch the current issues of The Boys and the Highland Laddie mini so that we already know why Hughie's ended up back home without it spoiling the next couple of issues. Good stuff.

: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 08 September, 2010, 11:11:11 AM
Anyone seen issues 8 or 9 of Motherland?
Yep. You'll certainly get them if you ever venture to Weegieland.

Cheers Cosh, The Memsab now works near the weegee FP, I'll ask her to pick them up.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Trout 08 September, 2010, 01:56:56 PM
On an extremely nerdy note, I quite like the way Ennis has managed to synch the current issues of The Boys and the Highland Laddie mini so that we already know why Hughie's ended up back home without it spoiling the next couple of issues. Good stuff.

That's not nerdy at all - in fact, it anticipates a question I have.

I just read The Boys #46, in which Hughie discovers what Annie had to do to get into The Seven. The cover has Queen Maeve on it.

Can you confirm I can read Highland Laddie #1 without it spoiling The Boys? Because I get my comics in a monthly bundle by post, sometimes I accidentally read them out of sequence.

- Trout
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: zombemybabynow 08 September, 2010, 01:58:29 PM
Yup no probs reading hughie - it takes place post the issue you've read
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Trout 08 September, 2010, 02:00:16 PM
Thanks!

HOOTS, CRIVVENS, etc etc etc.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 09 September, 2010, 04:56:59 PM
you can all stand easy, I've picked em up a Deedheed Comic today.Along with the Northlanders collected TPB No3 Blood in the snow.

TPB of all the Battlefield were in too, I wonder if they will be collected into a Hardback? PJ any idea?
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: pauljholden 09 September, 2010, 05:05:43 PM
Hardback? Hope so. Think so.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 05 November, 2010, 02:46:35 PM
Anyone know if there are more Battlefields in the offing? needing a fix of WWII action...
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: pauljholden 05 November, 2010, 03:43:43 PM
Not soon, afaik.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: House of Usher 05 November, 2010, 03:54:44 PM
I haven't been enjoying The Boys lately, in particular Hughie's storyline with Starlight of The Seven. As I mentioned in the chat room the other night, Garth Ennis seems to be working at turning Hughie into a really unlikeable character, and himself giving the impression of having somewhat conservative and puritanical attitudes regarding sex and relationships. It would appear the main reason the 'supes' are in need of a good kicking is because they're getting too much action in the sack.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: zombemybabynow 05 November, 2010, 05:46:56 PM
having just read the new boys - i thought it could be leading to hughie putting on a costume and making a stand.

butcher bs-ing mm & the other 2 about to go awol, is making butcher look like the bad guy in my view although of course not as nuts as the homelander
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: PreacherCain 07 November, 2010, 10:57:31 PM
I haven't been enjoying The Boys lately, in particular Hughie's storyline with Starlight of The Seven. As I mentioned in the chat room the other night, Garth Ennis seems to be working at turning Hughie into a really unlikeable character, and himself giving the impression of having somewhat conservative and puritanical attitudes regarding sex and relationships.

I see it as the opposite. Ennis portrays Starlight in a much more sympathetic light, as a young woman who is exploited and abused by those in power and then 'punished' by the shame of those actions, with Hughie resorting to a very simplistic, chauvinistic response to what happened. If anything, Ennis is highlighting just how unfair it is that she continues to be punished, including by those she loves, even though she was the victim.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin Zeal 17 November, 2010, 11:17:01 AM
Just finished reading volume 7 of the Boys. Whatever the reason, Hughie is becoming a complete dickhead and is no longer the nice character I've liked from the first episodes. Ah well, I've still got Bill being a cock to laugh at.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: zombemybabynow 17 November, 2010, 12:25:39 PM
Hughie is becoming a complete dickhead and is no longer the nice character I've liked from the first episodes

Only 'cos he's been played by Butcher re. telling him falsehoods about hughie's ex.

Ultimately something's gonna kick-off between hughie and butcher?

But, that's a cool and real thing about this story: like life nothing is black and white

(follow up with zebra, crossword etc. joke post here!)
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin YNWA 18 November, 2010, 04:44:19 PM
Hardback? Hope so. Think so.

Confirmation that it will be out in hardback in February from Bleedingcool.com

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/11/18/the-boys-and-battlefield-covering-garth-ennis-in-february/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2010/11/18/the-boys-and-battlefield-covering-garth-ennis-in-february/)
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: House of Usher 18 November, 2010, 05:39:50 PM
I had a little look at some back issues the other day, and some light is shed on the whole Hughie/sex thing in the scene where he and Starlight are watching pr0n together. He's an uptight prude, a dickhead and a hypocrite in that one, so it has been foreshadowed somewhat, and it was my poor memory that let me to imagine Garth Ennis was speaking through Hughie. How much more wrong could I have been?!
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: strontium_dog_90 19 November, 2010, 04:15:28 PM
Speaking of "The Boys" (which is awesome) is anyone on here also a member of the Dynamite Forum? I applied to join it ages ago and have yet to here anything back, a little worried my application might have been wrongly classed as spam, and not sure how to go about chasing it up. Anyone know what I should do?
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: Colin YNWA 19 November, 2010, 04:30:13 PM
I was a member a while back and it wasn't very active, at least I failed miserably to find out what was happening with Matt Wagner's Zorro.
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: I, Cosh 20 December, 2010, 11:47:09 PM
I had a little look at some back issues the other day, and some light is shed on the whole Hughie/sex thing in the scene where he and Starlight are watching pr0n together. He's an uptight prude, a dickhead and a hypocrite in that one, so it has been foreshadowed somewhat, and it was my poor memory that let me to imagine Garth Ennis was speaking through Hughie. How much more wrong could I have been?!
Don't know if you've been keeping up with the Highland Laddie mini-series, but all of this sexual jealousy and hypocrisy stuff has been addressed rather well in the last couple of issues.
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: Proudhuff 21 December, 2010, 11:58:20 AM
Am I the only one who finds the gasmask and Trannie pals in Highland laddie a bit, well silly?

I know that Santa has got me the Hardback of Battlefields with the first 3 stories in it, which will be grand as I missed an issue of each at the time, warm smug feeling  :D

(And I believe minihuff has source the first Rogue Trooper casefile too)
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: Dandontdare 21 December, 2010, 04:30:10 PM
I almost bought Boys v.7 in Waterstones last night, but the christmas shopping queue was enormous, so I put it back. I'll get it (cheaper) on Amazon.
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: Goaty 21 December, 2010, 06:16:58 PM
Love the 50th Issue Cover! with little twist from original The Boys 1st Cover...


(http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/10/Boys-50-Cov-A.jpg)


(http://www.giantkillersquid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Boys-Vol1-TPB-Cover.jpg)
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: pauljholden 21 December, 2010, 06:51:03 PM
Love the 50th Issue Cover! with little twist from original The Boys 1st Cover...


Is that out now? is there ... a pinup section?
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: strontium_dog_90 21 December, 2010, 07:58:35 PM
Don't think it's out until January, is it? Looks awesome with interviews and stuff, too - be quite a good start to the year, methinks :-)
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: pauljholden 21 December, 2010, 08:55:17 PM
poop. Was hoping for confirmation I have something in that :)

-pj
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: TordelBack 24 January, 2011, 07:17:46 PM
You do indeed, PJ, and very nice it is too - great expression on Butcher!  John Higgins also turns in the most disgusting work of his and possibly anyone else's career (and I mean that in a good way) for his pinup.

As to the story, can anyone help me out with what Butcher twigs about Mother's Milk and Mallory on the last page?  I'm a bit dim, obviously.
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: I, Cosh 24 January, 2011, 07:51:29 PM
As to the story, can anyone help me out with what Butcher twigs about Mother's Milk and Mallory on the last page?  I'm a bit dim, obviously.
Nope. I reread the last storyline yesterday and I still couldn't figure it out.
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: gurnard 25 January, 2011, 12:10:39 PM
No me neither (know what Butcher twigs about MM) but looking forward to finding out.

There is a new BattleFields trade coming out with a sequel to the NightWitches.

Did anyone read the Jennifer Blood preview?  Apart from the slinky catsuit shot it didnt really do much for me.
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: TordelBack 02 February, 2011, 03:16:12 PM
So, I finally got caught up all of Highland Laddie, which was a fun read but left me feeling I was missing half the references.  I thought it was a good idea taking the Hughie/Annie stuff away from the main book and giving it space to play out, because I had felt it was starting to drag badly in the The Boys itself.

The landscape of British comics and kid's literature was well represented with most of the Oor Wullie cast, the Dandy, the Beezer and (I couldn't decide) Alf Tupper or the Topper (probably the latter, given everything else), and the kid detective trope - but one hand it felt like I was missing many more, while on the other I couldn't decide why in this context you'd include a giant transvestive (the Fat Boab character) without referencing Danny's Tranny, or an even more gigantic female psycho without calling her Beryl or Minnie.

So what else was going on that I was missing, oh wiser heads?

And given the revelation re: Mr. Vigors, is it possible that Mallory is Hughie's mysterious biological father?

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: Colin YNWA 21 March, 2011, 06:40:54 PM
Not seen this anywhere and certainly not here so its with a glad heart it would seem that Garth Ennis has said at C2E2 he has two more Battlefields stories to tell. Hopefully more after that but at least we got a couple more coming.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=31413 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=31413)

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: Trout 21 May, 2011, 06:45:46 PM
This is a great thread and worth resurrecting.

I'm loving the Mallory revelations in The Boys, especially all the wartime stuff. But the big shock - unless I missed it somewhere - is about The Legend's son and that Queen Maeve is his mother.
It's beautifully handled, in a small frame on an inside page, and Hughie's shocked face is the only clue to its import.

All great storytelling.

- Trout
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: TordelBack 21 May, 2011, 06:58:15 PM
But the big shock - unless I missed it somewhere - is about The Legend's son and that Queen Maeve is his mother.

Yeah, that sent me scurrying off to the back issues to see what her reaction/demeanour was at the time.  Very interesting development, and Maeve is already one of the best characters in the book.

While I'm enjoying the Ennisverse Crossover Event, I do wonder if several issues of hyper-dense expository monologue really does constitute 'good storytelling' - I'd have preferred if these revelations were doled out in the course of the plot.  It feels a bit like a rush to the finish, especially after the relaxed pace of Highland Laddie and recent issues.  Not saying I'm not gripped, mind, and the flashback art has been terrific.
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: Trout 21 May, 2011, 08:12:41 PM
Isn't there still the Butcher mini-series to come, too?
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: strontium_dog_90 22 May, 2011, 07:22:16 PM
The mini-series is out in July, apparently - can't wait for that one! As fun and informative as the Barbary Coast storyline has been, I've felt Butcher has been much missed from it, and I'm glad he's about to make an appearance, even if only in flashback form.
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: Proudhuff 07 July, 2011, 04:56:39 PM
Hardback? Hope so. Think so.

Hazzah! thought there would be some PJ pimping here... just bought the Battlefields II hardback, lots of loverly extras inside and rightly so at that price!

Still worth it off to place it on the new superduper Huff shelves, (see where the dust gathers thread)  :D
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: zombemybabynow 08 July, 2011, 01:25:10 PM
also looking forward to the butcher (boys) mini-series
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: Colin Zeal 19 August, 2011, 09:32:08 AM
Anyone else reading the Butcher mini-series? I've just read part two and it's going ok so far. No great surprises but it seems that the next issue will start to reveal a bit more about Butcher and his wife.
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: strontium_dog_90 19 August, 2011, 10:24:39 AM
Anyone else reading the Butcher mini-series? I've just read part two and it's going ok so far. No great surprises but it seems that the next issue will start to reveal a bit more about Butcher and his wife.

I've been picking it up - really enjoying it so far. It's actually holding my interest a bit more than the main series at the minute, and really looking forward to the actual superhero stuff starting to creep into it.
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: Proudhuff 08 September, 2011, 04:17:33 PM
Anyone else reading the Butcher mini-series? I've just read part two and it's going ok so far. No great surprises but it seems that the next issue will start to reveal a bit more about Butcher and his wife.

I've been picking it up - really enjoying it so far. It's actually holding my interest a bit more than the main series at the minute, and really looking forward to the actual superhero stuff starting to creep into it.

Picked up the first two, interesting seeing the Falklands woven into the story, the general radgness and the truth about living in a neigbourhood 'protected' by hoodlums
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: I, Cosh 08 September, 2011, 08:36:57 PM
Have found Butcher Baker (how odd to have two comics with the same title in the shops at the same time) to be dismal Ennis by numbers so far: army, violence, one great parent, one bastard one, love of a good woman, heading for a bad end.

To be honest, if it wasn't ending in the next year there's no way I'd still be buying The Boys. See comic bods, the power of a finite series!
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: Proudhuff 09 September, 2011, 09:56:09 AM
Have found Butcher Baker (how odd to have two comics with the same title in the shops at the same time) to be dismal Ennis by numbers so far: army, violence, one great parent, one bastard one, love of a good woman, heading for a bad end.



now you've pointed that out ...  :(
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: Colin Zeal 11 October, 2011, 02:34:21 PM
Anyone read issue 59 of The Boys? Decent issue and it's confirmed that there are just two story arcs left now. I thought Butcher gutting Jack from Jupiter over the killing of Terror was well done and suitably bloody. Don't mess with the man's dog.
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: PreacherCain 11 October, 2011, 04:20:52 PM
Aye the second half of issue 59 was like The Boys when it first started. The last 20 or more issues have been treading water. The ending was great, and the reason for that happening was very sad indeed :(
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: strontium_dog_90 15 October, 2011, 09:37:13 PM
Aye the second half of issue 59 was like The Boys when it first started. The last 20 or more issues have been treading water. The ending was great, and the reason for that happening was very sad indeed :(

Finally got my copy today, and agreed, it was one hell of an episode. It's gearing up to be some conclusion at this rate, and it'll be a much-missed comic when it's gone - so good to see the next arc is a six-parter . . .hopefully it'll still be with us a while yet!
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: Colin YNWA 23 October, 2011, 08:59:18 PM
At the end of last week and over the last couple of days while on a short trip away with the family I've read War Stories 1 and 2. My god are they great, they really are wonderful. The art across the board is sensational but have to say the two David Lloyd stories are probably the highlights artistically. Story-wise well its hard to say they are all pretty much magnificent for one reason or another. Just all round genius stuff really.
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: PreacherCain 25 October, 2011, 04:13:37 PM
If you liked War Stories, you might like Ennis' later series Battlefields as well.  The first volume in particular is great and features probbaly one of Ennis' best stories of the last decade (Dear Johnny, I think it's called). Night Witches is also fantastic and the tank story has art from one Mr. Ezquerra.
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: Proudhuff 25 October, 2011, 04:18:48 PM
If you liked War Stories, you might like Ennis' later series Battlefields as well.  The first volume in particular is great and features probbaly one of Ennis' best stories of the last decade (Dear Johnny, I think it's called). Night Witches is also fantastic and the tank story has art from one Mr. Ezquerra.

I'd second that, I bought the collected hardbacks, well worth it.

oh and its 'Dear Billy' I think  :D
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: PreacherCain 25 October, 2011, 04:31:45 PM
I'd second that, I bought the collected hardbacks, well worth it.

oh and its 'Dear Billy' I think  :D

Ah yes, 'Dear Billy', Right you are!
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: Colin YNWA 25 October, 2011, 06:21:30 PM
Yeah I've read most of the Battlefield's stuff and it is indeed great. Loved the sequel to Ezquerra's 'Tankies' and if we're talking tooth connections don't forget PJ on the fantastic 'Happy Valley' from which I got one of the very few bits of original art I own. All great stuff.
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: Fleetos 25 October, 2011, 11:40:24 PM
I have found since DR came off art duties the boys has really gone flat.
Butcher mini is awesome. Wow, knew Butcher's wife had to die, but who would have seen that coming!

The last few issues of the boys is starting to get back in the groove. I think i might have to read them again and see if they work better in one sitting.

Hope Dk comes back to finish it.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: PreacherCain 02 November, 2011, 04:05:37 PM
After a very long decline, both The Boys #59 and Butcher #4 really brought the series back to the quality it once had.  The last few pages of both those issues were quite shocking and really, really, well done.

I do think Ennis has gotten a little comfortable in his writing though. Almost lazy, at times. Reminds me a little of Robert Kirkman's biggest fault of having character development be characters just TALKING about how much they've changed and why, rather than showing it. Of course, Ennis can every once in a while pull off something great whilst Kirkman's writing style has always been the biggest obstacle in the way of a good story!
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: Satanist 09 April, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
No love for latest issue of The Boys? All I can say is fucking hell!
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: strontium_dog_90 09 April, 2012, 02:01:56 PM
No love for latest issue of The Boys? All I can say is fucking hell!

Yeah, it was one hell of an issue, wasn't it?

I'm looking forward to and dreading the end of this series equally - I think it'll be a pretty good conclusion, but man I'll miss it in my monthly reading when it's over.
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: Goaty 09 April, 2012, 03:07:44 PM
No love for latest issue of The Boys? All I can say is fucking hell!

I agree, what an ending! Even about Black Noir  :o
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: strontium_dog_90 09 April, 2012, 04:54:12 PM
No love for latest issue of The Boys? All I can say is fucking hell!

I agree, what an ending! Even about Black Noir  :o

Yeah, that was one I didn't see coming.

Any thoughts/theories on where the last story arc is going to go now? I must admit, I'm completely baffled - but looking forward to finding out!
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: TordelBack 09 April, 2012, 05:33:00 PM
Totally brilliant stuff, a very, very fine twist.  Hats off to Ennis, The Boys is the series that completely changed my mind about him as a writer, and here it really, truly delivers.
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: I, Cosh 09 April, 2012, 05:34:21 PM
Didn't want to mention it until I'd had a chance to read the full story. It's certainly messed around with the way I thought things would play out! Who's even left to sort out now? The Vought guys and Vic? Are The Boys themselves now unwanted supes who need to be taken care of?
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: strontium_dog_90 09 April, 2012, 05:39:58 PM
Didn't want to mention it until I'd had a chance to read the full story. It's certainly messed around with the way I thought things would play out! Who's even left to sort out now? The Vought guys and Vic? Are The Boys themselves now unwanted supes who need to be taken care of?

The interview Ennis did with Comic Heroes said something about the final arc clearing up problems The Boys themselves had created, or something along those lines, didn't it? Sounds intriguing, but still can't work out quite what it means!
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: GordyM 12 April, 2012, 11:05:21 AM
The Black Noir reveal was a real shocker to me too and adds brilliant new twist to the Homelander's descent into madness.
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: strontium_dog_90 12 April, 2012, 11:29:09 AM
The Black Noir reveal was a real shocker to me too and adds brilliant new twist to the Homelander's descent into madness.

Yeah - it even induces a bit of sympathy for The Homelander, which I never thought was possible.
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: Alski 12 April, 2012, 07:21:30 PM
Brilliant stuff... apart from the Frenchman having two arms on the cover!
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: PreacherCain 19 April, 2012, 02:50:18 AM
Has anyone read Ennis' new Crossed series Badlands?

Brilliant stuff altogether. Reminded me a bit of his best work on Punisher MAX. Incredibly bleak yet humanistic (is that even a word!?) at the same time. He can really pour on that atmosphere of despair, can't he?  :P

Crossed as a series is kind of interesting to look at in the context of genre comics. The initial series seemed like a response to The Walking Dead's sentimentality and (at times) ridiculous notions of what would happen in such a situation. Then Lapham took over with his overblown torture porn crap and now Ennis (and Spurrier on the webcomic) seem to be taking it back to that more human level of exploring just how fucked humanity would get when faced with this kind of horrific apocalypse. I think Badlands has been the best of the lot, to be honest.

In other Ennis related comics, I think The Boys was a cheeky little shit of a comic but the joke wore out a long time ago. The last few issues have definitely recaptured that some but it's a bit too little, too late for me.
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: Proudhuff 19 April, 2012, 09:54:34 AM
Thanks Preacher, I might go back to Crossed if thats the case.  I found Lapham's wank fest lacked any form of maturity, humanity or dignity.
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: Goaty 19 April, 2012, 09:56:08 AM
Has anyone read Ennis' new Crossed series Badlands?

Brilliant stuff altogether. Reminded me a bit of his best work on Punisher MAX. Incredibly bleak yet humanistic (is that even a word!?) at the same time. He can really pour on that atmosphere of despair, can't he?  :P

Crossed as a series is kind of interesting to look at in the context of genre comics. The initial series seemed like a response to The Walking Dead's sentimentality and (at times) ridiculous notions of what would happen in such a situation. Then Lapham took over with his overblown torture porn crap and now Ennis (and Spurrier on the webcomic) seem to be taking it back to that more human level of exploring just how fucked humanity would get when faced with this kind of horrific apocalypse. I think Badlands has been the best of the lot, to be honest.

In other Ennis related comics, I think The Boys was a cheeky little shit of a comic but the joke wore out a long time ago. The last few issues have definitely recaptured that some but it's a bit too little, too late for me.

And that last issue with Crossed mature woman on poor man, that's so mind-fuck!
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: PreacherCain 19 April, 2012, 03:38:36 PM
What I found interesting about Badlands was that the Crossed weren't even in it that much. And the worst, most upsetting stuff wasn't necessarily related to the Crossed but the decisions people had to made to escape/deal with them.

Ennis seems to use the Crossed comics as a way of exploring characters and the choices they make when faced with inescapable death (and an absolutely horrible death too). Lapham's series was just trying to out-do itself in terms of gore and ridculous torture porn, completely missing the point.

Jamie Delano is writing the next arc which I'll check out. He's a good writer though I haven't read anything of his in a long time.
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: TordelBack 19 April, 2012, 04:02:53 PM
Ennis seems to use the Crossed comics as a way of exploring characters and the choices they make when faced with inescapable death (and an absolutely horrible death too). Lapham's series was just trying to out-do itself in terms of gore and ridculous torture porn, completely missing the point.

Completely agree with you on all that.  Although Garth really does like to push the gross-out horror too, it usually happens within some kind of context of human struggle.  I just can't describe how much I hated Lapham's stuff.

Interested to see how Spurrier's take progresses.  So far I feel the 'horror' aspect is being hampered by inappropriate art.  Not necessarily poor art (given the schedule), but perhaps too closely following the jokier tone of the narration.
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: Proudhuff 20 April, 2012, 01:59:10 PM
Got both Crossed and the final Homelander Boys, enjoyed the Boys and that reveal!!
'Crossed in Scotland' with none of Garth's 'oor willie' stuff was great too, totally agree with above above Lapham's work, LCD then some.
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: Satanist 20 April, 2012, 03:34:27 PM
Yesterday was a real Garth Ennis day what with Crossed, Stitched & The Shadow.

Crossed – Really love this series (agree that Lapham just tries too hard to shock but I still bought them) and looking forward to seeing where it goes under new management. A nice dark ending too.

Stitched – So far so straight to video horror. Still liking it though and will be interested to see how the short film turns out.

The Shadow – No experience at all with this character, not even the movie. Just really an intro to the character but I still don’t know what his powers are or how he got them. Ok.
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: PreacherCain 20 April, 2012, 04:19:12 PM
Sitched isn't actually written by Ennis now, is it?

I have The Shadow too but haven't read it yet. Art looks quite nice though.
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: Colin YNWA 22 April, 2012, 07:01:46 AM
Just read 'The Shadow' and have to say I really enjoyed it, top stuff, looking forward to seeing how this series develops. The art was pretty nice too, don't know Aaron Campbell's work but he's really really trying for that Tommy Lee Edwards vibe, which is no bad thing I guess
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 03 May, 2012, 02:38:06 PM
Picked up the latest Boys and Crossed along with TWD.

What a joy to have garth back on Crossed a fine comic with real humanity/horror unlike the previous series.

Boys = funny and working up the big finish, what is that he steps in?
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: TordelBack 03 May, 2012, 03:49:51 PM
Supposedly it's semen-with-blood-in, everyone's favourite kind I'm sure.  I had thought it was something to do with Black Noir and his covert thumb-up-the-bum antics, but I'd say that's pretty unlikely now.  It may just be a recurring random detail showing how kerayzee life in Noo Yawk can be, but given its prominence this week, I doubt it.
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: TordelBack 03 May, 2012, 09:18:13 PM
Oh this is great - lovely Ennis commentary for No. 66, plus most of the comic too: 

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/05/03/garth-ennis-commentary-on-boys/
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: I, Cosh 03 May, 2012, 11:42:01 PM
Supposedly it's semen-with-blood-in, everyone's favourite kind I'm sure.  I had thought it was something to do with Black Noir and his covert thumb-up-the-bum antics, but I'd say that's pretty unlikely now.  It may just be a recurring random detail showing how kerayzee life in Noo Yawk can be, but given its prominence this week, I doubt it.
It's just a sleazy comedy detail. Doesn't Butcher tell Huey that's what it'll be like before he moves into the hotel? Then it is the first night. I'm thinking the identity of the depositor will be one of the things we discover in the last issue or two.
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: strontium_dog_90 04 May, 2012, 10:15:39 AM
Oh this is great - lovely Ennis commentary for No. 66, plus most of the comic too: 

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/05/03/garth-ennis-commentary-on-boys/

Some fascinating stuff in there. I can understand why Ennis rates Butcher as his favourite creation - it's a mark of how complex and interesting the character is that you can go from feeling so sympathetic towards him at the end of the last issue to actively loathing him in this one. It'd be be fun to see who they'd pick to play him if the movie version that's been rumoured ever comes off.
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: Proudhuff 07 June, 2012, 02:19:47 PM
Part two of 'Blow the bloody doors off' in FP today... and TWD 16.
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: Proudhuff 07 June, 2012, 04:09:28 PM
I have no idea why Butchers doing what he's doing...what have I missed?
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: strontium_dog_90 07 June, 2012, 07:12:24 PM
Part two of 'Blow the bloody doors off' in FP today... and TWD 16.

I rang my local FP to check when this was out and they said not for a few weeks . . .grr. Looks like an unexpected visit might be needed with my day off tomorrow now.
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: PreacherCain 08 June, 2012, 12:18:35 AM
Part two of 'Blow the bloody doors off' in FP today... and TWD 16.

I rang my local FP to check when this was out and they said not for a few weeks . . .grr. Looks like an unexpected visit might be needed with my day off tomorrow now.

Is it out!? I didn't see it  :-\
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: Proudhuff 08 June, 2012, 11:36:54 AM

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/d78ecdbi12564/prv12564_cov.jpg)



This is the cover but what might be confusing the FP dudes is the cover, well mine, says sixty-six not sixty seven!!
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: Satanist 08 June, 2012, 12:54:10 PM
I also picked that issue up at my local FP yesterday. Just what is Butcher up to?
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: Alski 10 June, 2012, 01:35:42 PM
I thought I was just being thick, because I really don't know what he's doing. Obviously he's covering sometyhing up completely, but what have The Legend and Vas got to do with it?

4 issues to go, I think Butcher will be leaving the planet for good by the end.
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: PreacherCain 10 June, 2012, 11:57:24 PM
I thought the plan had been to have Darick Robertson return and draw the last arc? That appears to not be happening...

Was there more of a falling out there than we'd been led to believe? I remember the news broke because Robertson said he'd been kicked off the book or something but then he changed his tune soon afterwards when the PR peeps got involved.
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: strontium_dog_90 11 June, 2012, 08:15:23 PM
I thought I was just being thick, because I really don't know what he's doing. Obviously he's covering sometyhing up completely, but what have The Legend and Vas got to do with it?

4 issues to go, I think Butcher will be leaving the planet for good by the end.

An interesting thought . . .question is, would he be exiting it as hero or villain? The latter looks most likely at the minute, but I'm wondering if there's another twist to come in there somewhere.

And did this issue see Hughie creep closer towards the dark side himself?

Man I'm really going to miss this series when it finishes!
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: I, Cosh 11 June, 2012, 09:06:00 PM
I also picked that issue up at my local FP yesterday. Just what is Butcher up to?
Not sure either but I reckon it'll be connected to why he killed Mallory. Whyever that was.
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: strontium_dog_90 09 July, 2012, 04:48:05 PM
Anyone else read Boys 68 yet?

Wow.

That's one hell of an episode there.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dandontdare 09 July, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
just got my TPB of vol 11 - the showdown with the Seven. Bloody brill, but I wonder if I should stop there as it sounds like things take a much nastier turn from hints on this thread.
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: Mudcrab 09 July, 2012, 07:50:46 PM
Just got 11 myself, one episode off the end (which would be 65 I think). Fantastic stuff, really kicks off in this one, nice one Hughie! (Heh, didn't actually intend that pun there  :D) So I assume there's one more book to go? Any more specials or was Butcher's the last one?

Trying to avoid most of this thread as there be spoilers.
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: Alski 09 July, 2012, 09:33:55 PM
#68

Final page or 2

Fuuuccckkkk....
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: judgefloyd 11 July, 2012, 05:05:04 AM
Just finished 'over the hill with etc'.  This thread is agony for me - I want to chime in but don't want to know what happens after what I've read.  So far The Boys is my favourite Ennis ever. He's really at the top of his game; a lot of the humour is balanced with a bit of maturity and it doesn't get over-sentimental as often happened in Preacher or Hitman (my second favourite Ennis thing). Also he doesn't lay on his sensitive right on new age guyishness too thick (cf Preacher with the main character congratulating himself on enlightened oral sex habits). 
      I really didn't think there was any more mileage at all in the 'what if superheroes were real' thing, but The Boys disproves that admirably.
  A nerdy question - is it a coincidence that Stilwell shares his surname with Jasper Stilwell of SHIELD?  I think it's probably a coincidence, but the name and the giant floating fortress thing made me wonder. 
 Also - were any Scottish readers annoyed by the Scotland interlude or by Hughie's vocabulary?  Feel free to include the word 'jings' in your answer.
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: Trout 11 July, 2012, 09:05:01 AM
Just finished 'over the hill with etc'.  This thread is agony for me - I want to chime in but don't want to know what happens after what I've read.  So far The Boys is my favourite Ennis ever. He's really at the top of his game; a lot of the humour is balanced with a bit of maturity and it doesn't get over-sentimental as often happened in Preacher or Hitman (my second favourite Ennis thing). Also he doesn't lay on his sensitive right on new age guyishness too thick (cf Preacher with the main character congratulating himself on enlightened oral sex habits). 
      I really didn't think there was any more mileage at all in the 'what if superheroes were real' thing, but The Boys disproves that admirably.
  A nerdy question - is it a coincidence that Stilwell shares his surname with Jasper Stilwell of SHIELD?  I think it's probably a coincidence, but the name and the giant floating fortress thing made me wonder. 
 Also - were any Scottish readers annoyed by the Scotland interlude or by Hughie's vocabulary?  Feel free to include the word 'jings' in your answer.

No, the Scottish sequence worked pretty well. Quite a lot of it was based on an idealised Enid Blyton-style childhood, which of course detached it from reality a bit, but that worked well. I had no problem with the way Scotland and its residents were portrayed.

I'm loving this comic, too, although I'm only rarely visiting this thread because I fear spoilers.

- Trout
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: Goaty 14 July, 2012, 09:52:53 PM
Fuck! Just read the latest issue! at those last few pages, FUCK!

I remember Ennis are doing the Boys for 70 issues, so oh my gosh!
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: strontium_dog_90 14 July, 2012, 10:03:34 PM
Fuck! Just read the latest issue! at those last few pages, FUCK!

I remember Ennis are doing the Boys for 70 issues, so oh my gosh!

Yeah . . .it was a pretty good issue, wasn't it?

You have to wonder how the fallout from this one is going to land. Roll on the next installment!
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: Mudcrab 16 July, 2012, 07:52:34 PM
Also - were any Scottish readers annoyed by the Scotland interlude or by Hughie's vocabulary?  Feel free to include the word 'jings' in your answer.

Crivvens naw! A lot of the cliched stuff was straight out of Oor Wullie/The Broons and other DC Thompson comics (the barman and the vicar were superb!).

I'd love to see a French reaction to the Frenchie episodes though, that had me in stitches!
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: judgefloyd 18 July, 2012, 09:12:44 AM
the barman's obscene version of Old Man whatsit from Scooby-Doo was funny.

yours crivvens-ishly,

Floyd
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: TordelBack 18 July, 2012, 09:32:22 AM
Finishing the Hughie series, I suspected that the point (apart from pure fun) was to establish him up as the model of a British/Scottish comics hero (with the focus on family and friends and foiling smugglers), in contrast to the American comics heroes the Boys fight.

Thinking this way. I had wondered if Butcher's origin would equally set him up as a Dennis the Menace archetype (Ennis has form in this regard) in contrast to Hughie's Oor Wullie, what with his Beano-style name name, the regular bullying and faithful attack dog companion.  While the violent father initially suggested an analogy for frequent slipperings, the rest didn't really hold up at all. Almost certainly for the best, since what we got was pretty excellent.
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: Trout 18 July, 2012, 10:18:15 AM
a Dennis the Menace archetype (Ennis has form in this regard)

I was re-reading Judgement Day just last night. A great idea to have Walter the Softy grow up to be a psycho.

Edited to add:
It occurs to me that this thread may be the place to add my not-very-original comments on Ennis Dredd stories. I've been reading Case Files 16 and 17, and really enjoying them. Yes, much of it suffers from not being Wagner, but as Dredd stories go they're genuinely good. The writer's lack of maturity (Traktorfaktori, etc) is there for all to see but so is his talent for storytelling. I like Dredd with more vulnerability than this, but that's a minor point.
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: judgefloyd 18 July, 2012, 10:48:42 AM
3 cheers for the Trout, I really like Ennis Dredd stories, many more than the man himself does (with some exceptions - like the Muzak one). 
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: Colin YNWA 18 July, 2012, 01:17:34 PM
Yeah I've defended Ennis' Dredd here in the past and no doubt will do so again. They are great fun and there was a lot worse around the corner in them days.
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: GordyM 23 July, 2012, 10:27:55 AM
#68

Final page or 2

Fuuuccckkkk....

Read it this morning. My thoughts exactly.

The Female and Frenchie better survive, that's all I'm saying!
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: judgefloyd 24 July, 2012, 03:58:26 AM
amen to that, Gordy.

Hey, can I air some speculations here?  I can? Oh good.

I think that guy with the tufty gen-x goatee who keeps cropping up is going to be important later on.  He drives the evil Vought guy around, he serves some drinks, he packs some weapons.  Just wondering.

I kind of think the evil Vought bloke is going to turn out to have super powers or some kind of awesome secret.

that's all.  I'm crap at spotting plot twists, so aren't worrying too much about this.

oh and while I'm here - who was the beardy guy from G-Men with hammers for hands who only said 'gonna' a lot meant to be sending up?
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: I, Cosh 02 August, 2012, 08:48:42 PM
Oh dear.
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: PreacherCain 03 August, 2012, 07:03:47 AM
Oh dear.

Yup  :o
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin Zeal 03 August, 2012, 10:42:26 AM
Wow indeed. Although it was fairly predictable what would happen (what with people who make the cover recently all dying that issue. See Legend, MM and Terror. it was no less of a shock.
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: Proudhuff 03 August, 2012, 12:41:18 PM
That really is the FLAT Iron building now... com'n wee Shuggie!! dayit!
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: Satanist 03 August, 2012, 05:50:02 PM
Aw Naw
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: Trout 06 August, 2012, 11:45:37 PM
It's horrible. But I can't wait to see how it ends. That said, there's a major character who hasn't turned up yet. Where's Annie/Starlight?
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: Colin Zeal 07 August, 2012, 10:12:46 AM
She hasn't been seen since leaving the 7's HQ a few episodes back.
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: Colin YNWA 15 August, 2012, 08:55:52 PM
Cool Tankies (or at least Sargent Stiles) is back from Ennis and Ezquerra in the first of the new Battlefields mini's. No date I can spot yet, but not far off I assume...

http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/08/15/garth-ennis-takes-battlefields-for-one-last-ride/ (http://www.comicsbeat.com/2012/08/15/garth-ennis-takes-battlefields-for-one-last-ride/)
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: Proudhuff 16 August, 2012, 03:51:09 PM
Swet, have the first two in hardback.

(http://www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/BFv3-01-Cov-Leach-200x300.jpg)

someone should tell there pressperson  The korean war wasn't part of WWII

: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Trout 17 August, 2012, 01:21:57 PM
The cover for the last issue of The Boys is here:

http://www.icv2.com/articles/article_image.php?ig=22632 (http://www.icv2.com/articles/article_image.php?ig=22632)

I'll leave it as a link, in case people don't want to see it yet.
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: Colin YNWA 17 August, 2012, 03:43:44 PM
According to the solicitations over at Bleeding Cool the new Battlefield series is six issues long.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/17/avatar-boom-dynamite-and-idw-solicitations-for-november-2012/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/08/17/avatar-boom-dynamite-and-idw-solicitations-for-november-2012/)

Whether that refers to just the new Tankies or the entire series (e.g. just two stories of three issues) is anyone's guess.

Oh and there's the Dredd stuff which I've mentioned elsewhere.
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: judgefloyd 20 August, 2012, 02:49:13 PM
Oh dear.

What's with the 'oh dear', O Cosh? I'm amazingly right? Amazingly wrong? Or you're just blown away by the latest developments in The Boys?  I gots to know.
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: JamesC 04 September, 2012, 11:23:37 AM
couldn't find the "bargains" thread!

Individual issues of Jennifer Blood and Ninjettes are 69p on Comixology at the moment.
Alternatively, collected editions containing 6 issues each are going for £2.99
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: strontium_dog_90 06 September, 2012, 02:26:49 PM
This month's issue of The Boys features possibly the funniest panel in the whole series so far - made me giggle even more than Hughie and Annie's "timing issue," which is saying something.

People with a similarly warped sense of humour will hopefully know the one I mean!
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: GordyM 09 September, 2012, 11:45:51 AM
SPOILERS FOR THE BOYS #69




Ennis you bastard!!! You had to go and do it, didn't you? You had to go and break my poor wee heartses.

In fairness the final moment between Frenchie and the Female was such a beautiful, poetic moment. "Je t'aime. From the first."  :'(
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: Alski 09 September, 2012, 02:42:34 PM
"Je t'aime. From the first."  :'(

Aw naw...

#70 basically just sets up the final part. Is it the last issue?
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: Colin YNWA 09 September, 2012, 09:49:35 PM
I know I've had a (minor) beef with Garth Ennis for always harking back to the original golden age 2000ad (as others have) but look here, the man does good...

A fan asked what Ennis had been reading. Ennis answered he was reading journalist Christopher Hitchens, "Matterhorn: A Novel of the Vietnam War" by Karl Marlantes and "Skagboys" by Irvine Welsh (author of "Trainspotting"). Ennis said he is not reading many comics besides"Judge Dredd" and "2000 AD."

From a kinda jarring panel summary over at CBR.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40906 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40906)
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Alski 10 September, 2012, 08:43:21 AM
Well as the pic on your link says issue 72, I guess there's a few more to go. One more story arc I guess
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: gurnard 18 September, 2012, 12:19:57 PM
really I thought it was just 71 issues. The end of 70: oh what a cliffhanger that last panel. Fantastic stuff.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: I, Cosh 18 September, 2012, 12:58:37 PM
71 is the end of the current storyline. 72 is the last issue. Presumably some sort of epilogue or tying up of loose ends.
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: TordelBack 04 October, 2012, 10:38:50 AM
Boys 71.  Ennis, you beauty.  Had my heart in my mouth, that did.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 04 October, 2012, 01:07:14 PM
71? FP here I come!!
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: Colin Zeal 04 October, 2012, 02:06:56 PM
71? FP here I come!!

yeah, thanks to tord's warning I was able to rush out to FP during my lunchbreak and get issue 71. Wow. That was an excellent issue.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 05 October, 2012, 07:44:47 PM
71? FP here I come!!

yeah, thanks to tord's warning I was able to rush out to FP during my lunchbreak and get issue 71. Wow. That was an excellent issue.

How true... just one to go...in every sense!!!
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: Goaty 05 October, 2012, 08:30:33 PM
Oh fuck me! That was epic 71!!
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Goaty 05 October, 2012, 08:33:14 PM
I love this final issue 72;

(http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/the-boys72.jpg)

but sadly it not good as great first issue cover ever!

(http://s3.hubimg.com/u/6750878_f260.jpg)
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: I, Cosh 05 October, 2012, 09:23:46 PM
Supposedly it's semen-with-blood-in, everyone's favourite kind I'm sure.  I had thought it was something to do with Black Noir and his covert thumb-up-the-bum antics, but I'd say that's pretty unlikely now.  It may just be a recurring random detail showing how kerayzee life in Noo Yawk can be, but given its prominence this week, I doubt it.
It's just a sleazy comedy detail. Doesn't Butcher tell Huey that's what it'll be like before he moves into the hotel? Then it is the first night. I'm thinking the identity of the depositor will be one of the things we discover in the last issue or two.
I'm not the sort of person to say I told you so.
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: Alski 06 October, 2012, 02:07:39 AM
so... one to go.

I am sure that there will be MANY plot holes in this, but I have enjoyed it.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: gurnard 09 October, 2012, 12:13:55 PM
71 was fantastic but I think it does need one final issue to tie it all up. What happened to Starlight? I think 72 is a bumper issue too so well looking forward to that.
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: TordelBack 09 October, 2012, 12:31:38 PM
What happened to Starlight?

Aye, fingers crossed Wee Hughie stops fecking aboot there, y'ken.  I'm all for a happy ending, maybe a family fishing trip with Da and Jamie and the lads on the Annie January

It's really remarkable how Ennis has made such a sustained and satisfying story out of what looked like being a nasty parodic gag of a book.   Well, it's that too, happily, but also engaging and even touching.  He's really grown as a writer, and this has definitely been my favourite of his longer works (although there are shorter stories in Battlefields that trump it). 
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dodsy 09 October, 2012, 12:40:38 PM
Can't believe I've just found this thread and The Boys is bloody finishing next month!
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: gurnard 09 October, 2012, 04:42:49 PM
Aye Tordelback aye.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Satanist 10 October, 2012, 12:46:12 PM
Been reading this as monthly since the start and cannae wait till its done to go back and read the lot. I'm sure theres loads I've not picked up on over the years.

71 was great and sad but I still think I was more upset over the rest of the boys. Aye agree wee Hughie should get his finger out his arse regards starlight.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dodsy 11 October, 2012, 12:39:27 PM
I've started a re-read now so that by the time issue 72 drops I'll be almost at the end of the run (that way the overall ending won't be spoilt for me) and The Boys definatly reads better as a done in one in my opinion.
Like people have been saying there is a lot of stuff that gets mentioned at the start that didn't get mentioned again for months. Also now we know where a lot of this stuff is going it's kind of cool to remeber how the seeds where planted right at the begining.

(Still hasn't beaten Scalped though)
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: Cursed Earth Dweller 13 October, 2012, 10:17:22 AM
Hmmmmm......

I have been very skeptical about reading the Boys ever since reasding Preacher(which I'm a huge fan of btw) because back when it first started the biggest reputation it had was that it is even more twisted and extreme then Preacher which was extreme and twisted enough. This gave me the impression that is all there was to the Boy's and having the strip cancelled after about 5 or so issues didn't inspire me to wan't to read it either.

But after reading this thread I think I'll wait till the whole thing is collected tradepaperback format and see what I think.
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: Proudhuff 13 October, 2012, 10:42:01 AM
Hmmmmm......

I have been very skeptical about reading the Boys ever since reasding Preacher(which I'm a huge fan of btw) because back when it first started the biggest reputation it had was that it is even more twisted and extreme then Preacher which was extreme and twisted enough. This gave me the impression that is all there was to the Boy's and having the strip cancelled after about 5 or so issues didn't inspire me to wan't to read it either.

But after reading this thread I think I'll wait till the whole thing is collected tradepaperback format and see what I think.

I think the TBP are out there already... well enough to be going on with
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Goaty 09 November, 2012, 08:31:06 PM
Well the Boys issue 72, the final issue out this weekend, I bet many of you very exciting to see how it ends... nice or in shocking...?


I wish Wee Hughie would blow up all Superheros!
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: Batman's Superior Cousin 09 November, 2012, 09:49:06 PM
It's out next Wednesday, not the weekend!!!!
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: I, Cosh 13 November, 2012, 08:48:33 PM
So, did nobody buy the first issue of the new Battlefields series last week? I saw it in the window of FP but haven't been in town during the day.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin YNWA 13 November, 2012, 09:07:10 PM
So, did nobody buy the first issue of the new Battlefields series last week? I saw it in the window of FP but haven't been in town during the day.

Its on my Pull list but I've not been to my LCS since it came in and alas won't for a couple of weeks possibly.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dodsy 14 November, 2012, 12:34:10 PM
So, did nobody buy the first issue of the new Battlefields series last week? I saw it in the window of FP but haven't been in town during the day.

I picked it up last weekend but haven't had chance to read it yet.

On a related note: Does anyone know where I can get me hands on The Tankies pt3? From the first series of Battlefields. I think it was issue 9 overall. I was out of work at the time and couldn't afford to pick it up when it was released and I've never been able to find it since. I've got all the rest.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Goaty 14 November, 2012, 12:37:11 PM
Notice that Battlefields issue at comic shop think that was about Koren War.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 14 November, 2012, 03:13:52 PM
So, did nobody buy the first issue of the new Battlefields series last week? I saw it in the window of FP but haven't been in town during the day.

I picked it up last weekend but haven't had chance to read it yet.

On a related note: Does anyone know where I can get me hands on The Tankies pt3? From the first series of Battlefields. I think it was issue 9 overall. I was out of work at the time and couldn't afford to pick it up when it was released and I've never been able to find it since. I've got all the rest.

I'll have a rake about, see if its in the Huffington cellars...

and thanks for the heads up on the new battlefields, I'm away from my usual workplace so not handy for FP/Deadheed comics, so will have to make a trip 
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 15 November, 2012, 10:06:57 AM
Have a lookk only the second series I'm afraid, must have dumped the first when I got the collected hardback.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: I, Cosh 16 November, 2012, 12:41:03 AM
Crikey. Am I the only person who braved the crowds today to pick up the last issue of The Boys? It's very anticlimactic in my opinion. The end did have me thinking of the song Garth would've picked if he still quoted Pogues lyrics in every other story like what he used to.

I think I'll try and give the whole series a reread in the next month or so then, because I really don't think it's going to be one to keep for posterity, try and flog it if anyone's interested.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Alski 16 November, 2012, 10:20:22 AM
I liked the ending, it had to be a bit more subtle (and sweet). The likes of VA will never go away, they just come back with a different suit on.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Satanist 16 November, 2012, 01:41:46 PM
Cosh is just an auld cynic ;) I liked it and will prob start my full re-read next month.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dodsy 16 November, 2012, 01:56:05 PM
Have a lookk only the second series I'm afraid, must have dumped the first when I got the collected hardback.

Cheers Huff. I'm at Thought Bubble this weekend so may get luck (althought if I couldn't find it at San Diego I'm not holding my breath lol).



I picked up the last issue today. I think it was anti-climatic but it went. I feel the real ending was either 65(?) or 71 and this just tied together the last couple of threads.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Dandontdare 16 November, 2012, 05:26:27 PM
The lastest trade I had was Swords of a Thousand men (vol 11) with The Bloody Doors Off (vol12) on preorder - woul;d this be the last, or are there enough isues to run to vol.13 too? Any other tradewaiters out there?  :D
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Batman's Superior Cousin 16 November, 2012, 05:35:07 PM
Fellow Tradewaiter planning to buy the FINAL two trades at Newcastle next January/February-time!!!
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 21 November, 2012, 03:40:38 PM
the final one was a bit of an anti climax but fitting, (that cover lied!!) still the doors open for future reboots...
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 13 December, 2012, 10:58:38 AM
anyone see/got this yet?

(http://dyn2.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/2711522.jpeg.size-285_maxheight-285_square-true.jpg)
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: Dodsy 13 December, 2012, 12:43:43 PM
Will be picking it up tomorrow or Saturday depending on how things go. Might need to re-read the 1st issue again though, I'm getting old lol.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: I, Cosh 13 December, 2012, 01:54:19 PM
I'll be getting this one in trade, if at all. These stories are made to be read in one go and I wasn't terribly keen on the previous tank ones. Anyone know what other stories will be in this Battlefields run?

I was quite surprised to see the final Boys trade in the shops about a fortnight after the last issue. It must be almost a year since the final issue of Northlanders and DC still don't seem to have a collection for me to buy.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin YNWA 13 December, 2012, 02:02:46 PM
I'll be getting this one in trade, if at all. These stories are made to be read in one go and I wasn't terribly keen on the previous tank ones. Anyone know what other stories will be in this Battlefields run?


Its another story featuring Anna Kharkova (yes I did have to look that up) from Night witches and Motherland (was it called?) ... in fact here's the solicitation.

 
Garth Ennis’ Battlefields #4: The Fall and Rise of Anna Kharkova Part 1

Written By: Garth Ennis

Art By: Garry Leach

Cover By: Garry Leach

Description: The heroine of The Night Witches and Motherland flies straight into trouble as her aircraft is shot down behind German lines. Anna faces her worst nightmare as a prisoner of the Nazis, and events are set in motion that will see her made an outcast amongst her own people. The third and last installment of the Night Witches’ story begins here.

32 pages, $3.99.

Though I don't think the interior art is by Gary Leach I think its actually Russ Braun who did the others.

I should be picking up Tankies III #2 tomorrow, really looking forward to it as I enjoyed the first issue as much as I did all the previous ones.
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: Dandontdare 13 December, 2012, 05:31:16 PM
I was quite surprised to see the final Boys trade in the shops about a fortnight after the last issue. It must be almost a year since the final issue of Northlanders and DC still don't seem to have a collection for me to buy.

It's in the shops? So why does my preorder keep getting put back? Grrrr.

You're right though - DC are very slow when it comes to collected trades. I'm still looking for stories predatuing the big realunch. The Boys on the otehr hand is perfect for tradewaiters, as they get'em out PDQ.
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: Proudhuff 14 December, 2012, 09:50:20 AM
I was quite surprised to see the final Boys trade in the shops about a fortnight after the last issue. It must be almost a year since the final issue of Northlanders and DC still don't seem to have a collection for me to buy.

It's in the shops?


Yes and in my 'to read' pile too
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: Proudhuff 14 December, 2012, 02:43:40 PM

(http://dyn2.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/2711522.jpeg.size-285_maxheight-285_square-true.jpg)

Don't let that Capt Hurricane type cover put you off, this is dark stuff. Maybe Mr Mills should read it for tips on squadie speak and exposition insertion. I heartiy recommend it to anyone who has dipped into the previous books and to anyone who aversed to the tights and caps side of comics. Wonderful, wonderful stuff.
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: Colin YNWA 17 December, 2012, 08:26:51 AM
Got it (Green field beyond 2) this weekend and read it this morning on the way into work and it is indeed bloody wonderful. If ever a cover was a misrepresentation of what's inside!

Mind have you seen the cover to next issue, looks bloody amazing!
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: Dodsy 19 December, 2012, 12:44:12 PM
Read it last night and got to say I think this has been the best story of The Tankies so far and I'm really looking forward to the conclusion next month.

Just wondering; whats everyone's favourite Battlefields story been so far? For me it's been 'Dear Billy' the one about the nurse. It has kind of a creepy edge to it that really stuck with me for a while.
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: Colin YNWA 05 January, 2013, 09:38:22 PM
Now would someone please explain why I wasn't informed of this earlier please*... what you say, well Garth Ennis' simply magnificent 'Fury - Max' series. By pure chance I stumbled across it a couple of weeks ago. Ordered it with my X-mas bootie and have read it over the last couple of nights (as its ongoing and I therefore need to know if its worth continuing with it skips past my pretty ridiculous reading list and gets read as if a regularly monthly purchase).

Its chuffin' brilliant. Okay at times it seems a bit needlessly sweary and arm blowlyoffy (that is a word, it is) as though it feels the need to justify its 'Mature' tag but that aside its fantastic. Tense, dramatic and right up there with the best of his 'War' work. Wonderful stuff and while I might trade wait it its now a regular buy and no mistake.

*To be fair I probably was but haven't been paying enough attention here or in the Megathread being a numbnut and all. But really if Ennis produces another perfect book for me can someone please make sure they give me a kick up the ass!
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: Proudhuff 08 January, 2013, 02:09:16 PM


Anyone spotted this yet?

(http://www.dynamite.com/images/TNBFv303CovEzquerra.jpg)

I'm thinking with Capt Hurricane cover last time and the 'Battle' ref and 'Victor' style text on this, all clashing with the contents, this is really tophole stuff.

oh, and Anna (Nightwitch) is back in the following issue fighting in SE Asia as well
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: Colin YNWA 08 January, 2013, 03:10:59 PM
Wouldn't it just be brilliant if Garth Ennis did what he always seems like he wants to do (or at least have happen) and he relaunched 'Battle'.

A weekly comic anthology with a load of good war stories in, for me preferably WW2 or older. Heck they could bring back Johnny Red written by Brian Wood, though I guess Charley's War wouldn't return (cos, yeah the rest of this is going to happen! Ahem anyway) but if Pat Mills was up for it he could get say Patrick Goddard on art or some such. Tankies as an ongoing by Garth and whatever else was doing the rounds. Heck it could be the home for the proposed 'Lawless' strip that Kevin Hopgood had planned for Strip and seems to have vanished.

Arh the stuff that dreams are made of.
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: I, Cosh 08 January, 2013, 04:11:52 PM
Was flicking through the theatre listings while having brunch in a local bohemian cafe when I came across this: Night Witches on stage, basically (http://www.tron.co.uk/event/white_rose-83/).

I think I'll try and give [The Boys] a reread in the next month or so then, because I really don't think it's going to be one to keep for posterity, try and flog it if anyone's interested.
So, I reread the first thirty issues of The Boys - up to the end of the G-Men story - the other day and enjoyed them more than I was expecting to. I think I'd forgotten that one of the reasons I kept buying it to start with was that there were enough of Ennis' good character driven stuff and genuinely funny bits in amongst the nonsense. Things like the early establishment of Hughie's uncomfortable hypocrisy around sexuality are pretty well done.

It's interesting to see certain strands developing now that I know where they end up too. I get the impression this was all very meticulously plotted out in advance rather then Ennis just having a general idea of the structure and filling that in as he goes.

I'll be ploughing through the rest over the next few days and hopefully it'll continue to surprise me. The worry I have is that this feels like it should be the midway point but, with the various mini-series, it's only a third of the way.

Random observation #1. Geeky details. When Butcher and Hughie go to question the Tek-Knight (who's a Bruce Wayne as Batman analogue - as opposed to Black Noir's Dark Knight Batman - but also fills the Iron Man role in Payback), the book that opens the staircase to his cave is The Purloined Letter and Other Stories by Poe. The Purloined Letter is the story which Alfred recalls igniting the young Bruce's sense of justice in Dark Knight Returns. I assume there's lots more like this which I haven't read enough comics to get.

Random observation #2. Things that went over your head. Can't believe I didn't get the joke in Love Sausage's real name: Vasili Vorishkin.
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: I, Cosh 09 January, 2013, 06:06:50 PM
Issue 39: "Nobody will ever reprint Death Planet." Pshaw!
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: GordyM 25 January, 2013, 12:11:01 PM
Now would someone please explain why I wasn't informed of this earlier please*... what you say, well Garth Ennis' simply magnificent 'Fury - Max' series. By pure chance I stumbled across it a couple of weeks ago. Ordered it with my X-mas bootie and have read it over the last couple of nights (as its ongoing and I therefore need to know if its worth continuing with it skips past my pretty ridiculous reading list and gets read as if a regularly monthly purchase).

Its chuffin' brilliant. Okay at times it seems a bit needlessly sweary and arm blowlyoffy (that is a word, it is) as though it feels the need to justify its 'Mature' tag but that aside its fantastic. Tense, dramatic and right up there with the best of his 'War' work. Wonderful stuff and while I might trade wait it its now a regular buy and no mistake.

*To be fair I probably was but haven't been paying enough attention here or in the Megathread being a numbnut and all. But really if Ennis produces another perfect book for me can someone please make sure they give me a kick up the ass!

I LOVED the first Fury Max mini-series (especially that gutpuncher of an ending and the villain's final words to Fury) but the follow-ups have been a case of diminishing returns for me that suffer from the lack of dark humour, more akin to his Battlefields work.

Have you heard the George Clooney story? Apparently he was all set to play Fury in a live action film. He asked for the latest Fury comics which turned out to be the first Max mini-series. Soon as he read them and saw how f***** up they are he passed on the project.
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: Colin YNWA 25 January, 2013, 12:22:01 PM

Have you heard the George Clooney story? Apparently he was all set to play Fury in a live action film. He asked for the latest Fury comics which turned out to be the first Max mini-series. Soon as he read them and saw how f***** up they are he passed on the project.

Ha that's gold and also a shame as don't know when this was but Mr Clooney seems to be enjoying more and more varied roles of late and would do a very good f**ked up Fury in my eyes
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: darryl(doofus forgot his password) 27 January, 2013, 09:09:22 PM
I was gutted to see the end of The Boys - it's one of those comics I've looked forward to each mont, and only felt a little disappointed in once or twice.  Blow the Bloody Door Off was a great finale, and felt like a definite end, which is what was needed.

Fury Max is one of those that seems to get better by each issue - the artwork is spot on, and the connection to Punisher Max makes it feel like part of a bigger story.  maybe thy could get GE to do a Captain America Max  ;)
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: Dandontdare 01 February, 2013, 10:40:00 AM
Just read the last volume of the Boys (with Fury Max lined up for the weekend).

Holy shit, what a turnaround at the end.

I'm not sure I like this twist though - the whole raison d'etre of The boys was that Butcher & Co hated the supes because they kill people and fuck people over without caring about the collateral damage, just because they're superpowered and they can - which is exactly what Butcher ends up doing.

I did love Hughie's reaction to whatserface standing for office though!
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: Proudhuff 01 February, 2013, 10:49:51 AM

(http://www.dynamite.com/images/TNBFv303CovEzquerra.jpg)

ach, FP didn't have this will have to ask the memsabib to check out the glasgae FP, they are miles better  :-X
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: Colin YNWA 01 February, 2013, 11:22:29 AM

(http://www.dynamite.com/images/TNBFv303CovEzquerra.jpg)

ach, FP didn't have this will have to ask the memsabib to check out the glasgae FP, they are miles better  :-X

Got this and lovely cover aside it was very very good. As you'd expect from Ennis war stuff. Really enjoyed it, though it did not end the way I expected at all...
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: Colin YNWA 01 February, 2013, 11:52:43 AM
Uh hark on me with me double post and all that. BUT did we know about this, due in August... but it being Titan we'd better not pick a year yet?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Garth-Ennis-Classics-Titan-Books/dp/1781167419/ref=sr_1_29?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359719079&sr=1-29 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Garth-Ennis-Classics-Titan-Books/dp/1781167419/ref=sr_1_29?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359719079&sr=1-29)

Sounds like a very interesting read and will contain (apparently) another complete Battle story, HMS Nightshade, which I don't remember but I hear very good things about... or imagine I did...

New York Times bestselling writer Garth Ennis, writer of The Boys, Preacher and Battlefields, selects his favourite stories from the seminal 1970s British boys’ comic Battle. Included in this fantastic volume for the very first time is the complete HMS Nightshade, and the never-before-reprinted The General Dies At Dawn. With insights and introductions by Ennis himself, this collection of war comic rarities is not to be missed!
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: Proudhuff 04 February, 2013, 10:54:43 AM
and this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pFz%2BqKvXL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

when I'm soooo skint :'(
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: Colin YNWA 23 February, 2013, 08:43:05 PM
Battlefields 4, the first part of 'The fall and rise of Anna Kharkova' was simply brilliant. Ennis at his best.

There's not much else to say really.
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: strontium_dog_90 23 February, 2013, 08:56:12 PM
I'm rather excited about Ennis's imminent return to the world of "Crossed" :-)

Anyone else read the first issue of "Red Team," too? That's a pretty promising introduction.
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: Proudhuff 05 March, 2013, 03:28:00 PM
I'm rather excited about Ennis's imminent return to the world of "Crossed" :-)

Anyone else read the first issue of "Red Team," too? That's a pretty promising introduction.

I Have missed the start of the new Witches story, will try and dig it out on line somewhere.  SD90 don't know if I can be arsed with more Crossed, the whole torture porn thing put me off a while back and even Ennis's return might not save it.

RedTeam looks promising for anyone who's needing a fix after the Boys ended:

(http://www.dynamite.com/images/RedTeam1.jpg)
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: Dodsy 06 March, 2013, 12:59:30 PM
I enjoyed the first issue of Red Team. Glad it's only a limited though, think it would suffer if it was an ongoing.
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: Basilisk 06 March, 2013, 03:42:10 PM
¿Wasn't the Nightingale tale included on the War Stories collections?. I have the spanish omnibus edition and it's included.

The art was done by David Lloyd, right?.

So... What this book will include?. The Vertigo War Stories?.
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: Proudhuff 04 April, 2013, 03:03:13 PM
Just managed to get the Nightwitches 1st part, great stuff, the navigator was a well rounded charactor, artwork up to scratch and that Stalinist Tankie at the end...spot on.

Second part of Red Team cooking up nicely, recommended.

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: Satanist 27 May, 2013, 08:48:20 PM
Christ I had to go back 3 pages to find this.  :)

Anyhoo did ye read Ennis wee run on crossed. Back to its best.
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: Proudhuff 28 May, 2013, 10:23:47 AM
Missed it I'm afraid, maybe catch the collected version, I have been enjoying Si's work on the on-line version. a traipse around the NE of Scotland and the Islands in the company of the crossed was always going to be fun.
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: davepain 06 June, 2013, 01:07:12 PM
I loved Preacher. Was what got me interested in comics as a 20 year old "adult" and is the bench mark for all comics that pass my eyes. So Ennis is a big deal for me.

Read the first 2 volumes of The Boys. I liked it. Funny in places, and I like what he did with costumed "heroes", but I didn't enjoy it enough to carry on. There was no character (apart from the female, perhaps) I was actually interested in. Seems a silly thing to say but I found it a bit TOO crass. Felt like he was trying a bit too hard.

I read Kick-Ass a while back and preferred that twist on caped crusaders/filth for the sake of it.
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: Colin YNWA 15 October, 2013, 09:17:33 PM
Well this thread is too long neglected and I can think of no better way to resurrect chatter of this great writer than by passing comment on the simply magnificent Fury Max book 2. The conclusion of this series was quite brilliant, quite, quite brilliant. I don't know if it was always planned as a finite story, it was certainly advertised as ongoing wasn't it, anyway it felt as perfectly planned, as it was perfectly executed.

Just one of the very best comic series I've read. Superb.
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: Dandontdare 15 October, 2013, 09:24:05 PM
ooh I'll have to check that out - book 1 was excellent.
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: Proudhuff 02 April, 2014, 12:52:16 PM



Well that was the final issue (7) I think and it was everything he promised, highly recommended!!

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/thumbnail.php?file=/assets/images/preview/cddafa9i15094/prv15094_pg1.jpg&w=250)

'Ennis spoke with CBR News about the series, saying that the similar grey areas explored by TV's new golden age of crime dramas served as his inspiration for the story. "The most obvious influence would be 'The Wire,' which I'm pretty sure is going to stand as the greatest TV show of all time," he said. "There's a dash of 'The Shield' in there too. And, to a lesser extent, 'The Sopranos,' 'Breaking Bad,' 'Brotherhood,' even a little 'Justified.' All that amped-up crime drama we've been getting over the past 15 years.

"The starting point for 'Red Team' was, essentially, what if someone tried to be the Punisher for real?" Ennis continued'.
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: Hawkmumbler 03 April, 2014, 12:53:12 PM
Uh hark on me with me double post and all that. BUT did we know about this, due in August... but it being Titan we'd better not pick a year yet?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Garth-Ennis-Classics-Titan-Books/dp/1781167419/ref=sr_1_29?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359719079&sr=1-29 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Garth-Ennis-Classics-Titan-Books/dp/1781167419/ref=sr_1_29?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1359719079&sr=1-29)

Sounds like a very interesting read and will contain (apparently) another complete Battle story, HMS Nightshade, which I don't remember but I hear very good things about... or imagine I did...

New York Times bestselling writer Garth Ennis, writer of The Boys, Preacher and Battlefields, selects his favourite stories from the seminal 1970s British boys’ comic Battle. Included in this fantastic volume for the very first time is the complete HMS Nightshade, and the never-before-reprinted The General Dies At Dawn. With insights and introductions by Ennis himself, this collection of war comic rarities is not to be missed!
I actually flicked through a copy of this in Smiths the other day. Must get round to buying it at some point, really enjoying these BPW reprints titan are putting out.
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: Proudhuff 29 May, 2014, 02:58:13 PM


(http://majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/BFHCv3-Cover.jpg)


oh just got this hardback.... nice!
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: Proudhuff 02 June, 2014, 01:22:53 PM
Its the third and final one so looks perfect on the Huff shelf  :D
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: Colin YNWA 17 July, 2014, 08:31:44 PM
War Stories is coming back as an ongoing from Avatar Press (hope it doesn't become a splatter fest but trust Garth to keep the tone of his other WWII work) as an ongoing monthly.

This can only be good news!

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/17/garth-ennis-war-stories-moves-from-dc-comics-to-avatar-press/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/17/garth-ennis-war-stories-moves-from-dc-comics-to-avatar-press/)
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: Frank 17 July, 2014, 08:39:02 PM
War Stories is coming back as an ongoing from Avatar Press (hope it doesn't become a splatter fest but trust Garth to keep the tone of his other WWII work) as an ongoing monthly.

He's not even going to comedy rape Hitler just a little bit?

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: Colin YNWA 21 July, 2014, 04:04:33 PM
So anyway reading a bit of Ennis this morning and got me thinking (well an ad in the comic I read did) - I've never read 'Just A Pilgrim'.

Now if I wasn't a lazy chuff I could just do a bit of a search, or even read through this thread to canvas opinion - but I am a lazy chuff so I'd rather just ask here. Any good? I love Garth Ennis' various War Stories with the exception of his more comedic (well its meant to be) 'Adventures in the Rifle Brigade' which I thought was pretty bloody awful. For some reason I got it in my head that its more of that side of Ennis' writing - is it. Am I just wrong again?
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: Frank 21 July, 2014, 05:18:38 PM
I've never read 'Just A Pilgrim' ... Any good? I love Garth Ennis' various War Stories with the exception of his more comedic (well its meant to be) 'Adventures in the Rifle Brigade' which I thought was pretty bloody awful. For some reason I got it in my head that its more of that side of Ennis' writing - is it. Am I just wrong again?

Comedy rape (and fatal pregnancy) of an obnoxious hero character aside, not really. The biggest crtiticism I'd level at it is that early issues feel the same way as Gone To Texas, in that Ennis is concentrating on cramming in a lot of unnecessarily convoluted background detail instead of letting the story tell itself. As the older Ennis realised with Rover Red Charlie, everybody on Earth is already familiar enough with the tropes of Apocalyptic fiction to let someone working in that genre jump in with both feet and start straight in on subverting those cliches or creating memorable characters.

If you've read Ennis and Ezquerra's Bloody Mary, it's a bit like that spliced with the DNA of Bad Company, The Moses Incident, and Helltrekkers (the good bits and the bad). No, wait - it's actually more like Wilderlands crossed with The Hotdog Run. Basically, if Just A Pilgrim had ran in 2000ad, it would have fitted right in and been Ennis's best remembered and regarded original work for Tharg. At that time, Ennis appeared to be using his fame to allow him to write the 2000ad and Commando comic stories he wished he was writing, but to get paid US page rates for doing so. Flying pirates. Bloody buggering flying pirates.

 
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: Colin YNWA 21 July, 2014, 08:17:26 PM
Good sell!
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: Hawkmumbler 21 July, 2014, 08:22:11 PM
Question! Where do you Battlefield issues reside within the man cave, Colin? Next to the Battle Picture Weekly material or the other US Ennis material? I find it's a funny collection and they can go either which way.
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: Colin YNWA 21 July, 2014, 08:27:08 PM
To be honest they should be the former but are actually in the later. I keep them all together though cos lets face it it really was what Sauchie was saying, regardless what title they were under it was Garth Ennis writing his Battle stories. The sort of developed stories we might have had there had it survived not 2000ad.

In some pleasant dream world Mr Ennis bite the bullet and Garth Ennis' Battle is a weekly UK comic that has grown to rival 2000ad in our affections.

I might well move them...
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: Bad City Blue 25 July, 2014, 07:20:11 PM
I do enjoy re reading the Just A Pilgrim stories. They are dumb Ennis fun, and Ezquerra is superb, as usual. The second book has a deeper story, the first is more fun.
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: Hawkmumbler 25 July, 2014, 08:03:49 PM
Heeerm...thinking about it. My collection is very Ennis lite....maybe next pay day i'll get the first Battlefield collection and his run on Dan Dare.
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: Dandontdare 25 July, 2014, 10:11:48 PM
his run on Dan Dare.

An absolute must. It's a classic Ennis war story with a space fleet that look like battleships, staunch sergeants, brave marines, cowardly officers, the lot. Plus Digby and the Mekon. And stunning Gary Erskine art.
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: Tiplodocus 31 July, 2014, 09:32:19 PM
his run on Dan Dare.

An absolute must. It's a classic Ennis war story with a space fleet that look like battleships, staunch sergeants, brave marines, cowardly officers, the lot. Plus Digby and the Mekon. And stunning Gary Erskine art.

Seconded.
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: Proudhuff 08 October, 2014, 04:33:39 PM

and he's back, a cornfed newbie is the focus of this one:

(http://cdn.avatar-press.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/WarStories1-wrap.jpg?c67a33)

It appearing to be a trial at a regular issue too: Garth Ennis’ War Stories find a new home at Avatar with the launch of this ongoing monthly!   Pulling tales from real conflicts throughout modern history, this series is where a master storyteller brings the horrors of war to life in comics.
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: Hawkmumbler 08 October, 2014, 04:44:47 PM
I'm just about to tuck in to this. Very exciting.
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: Proudhuff 11 October, 2014, 11:52:11 AM
Anyone know why that FF has an X on the wing rather than a white star?
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: Ancient Otter 13 October, 2014, 08:27:22 PM
Garth Ennis will create new Johnny Red comics for Titan in 2015. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56131)
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: Colin YNWA 13 October, 2014, 09:45:44 PM
Garth Ennis will create new Johnny Red comics for Titan in 2015. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56131)

Oh my, oh dear, oh lordy... what a mess, what a sticky mess... oh my oh my... I got a little to excited. Sorry everyone...

... oh my, oh my .... OH .... not again.
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: Hawkmumbler 14 October, 2014, 09:33:38 AM
Garth Ennis will create new Johnny Red comics for Titan in 2015. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56131)
Bl-oooo-dy 'ell! Thats pretty damn special news right their.
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: Proudhuff 14 October, 2014, 10:22:16 AM

Big image alert!

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/JohnnyRedsample-37049.jpg)
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: Ancient Otter 21 October, 2014, 08:56:44 PM
The next arc of War Stories has been announced and it's going to cover the Golan Heights in 1973.
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: Proudhuff 22 October, 2014, 01:55:48 PM
The next arc of War Stories has been announced and it's going to cover the Golan Heights in 1973.

That's a bit of a minefield!
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: Tombo 22 October, 2014, 04:56:38 PM
Anyone know why that FF has an X on the wing rather than a white star?

Unit identification markings, According to Wikipedia it indicates that it is from of the 9th Bomber Group, part of 313th Bomb Wing, 20 Air Force.  which is odd because that unit served in the Pacific with B-29s
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: Proudhuff 24 October, 2014, 02:31:56 PM
Anyone know why that FF has an X on the wing rather than a white star?

Unit identification markings, According to Wikipedia it indicates that it is from of the 9th Bomber Group, part of 313th Bomb Wing, 20 Air Force.  which is odd because that unit served in the Pacific with B-29s

Curiouser and Curiouser, cheers Tombo
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: Proudhuff 03 November, 2014, 03:53:36 PM
Next issue out now, stunning artwork, just wish they would stop the multi-covers, it could confuse a stupid person  :-[
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: Colin YNWA 03 November, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
Yeah really enjoyed this one. Hopefully like Happy Valley it'll stir clear of the terrible fatal final mission, but with Ennis you can kinda rely on that, or even if it is that its bloody good anyway!
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: TordelBack 03 November, 2014, 04:40:13 PM
Y'all seen this? (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bullypulpitgames/night-witches)
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: Proudhuff 02 December, 2014, 11:30:39 AM
Next issue out now, stunning artwork, just wish they would stop the multi-covers, it could confuse a stupid person  :-[

and it did! again  :-[ i picked up an issue I already had, really really pisses me off
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: Proudhuff 14 February, 2015, 10:43:51 PM
I know there are lovers of aĺl things tank on this board and the latest story in this series has a tank battle of epic size. Thankfully no  comment on the politics.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Frank 30 September, 2015, 01:52:07 PM

Garth Ennis is the guest on Scroobius Pip's Distraction Pieces podcast. Long interview, which goes into more detail about exactly how he got Troubled Souls into Crisis than I've heard before. He talks about Seth Rogen's Preacher TV series too:

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/distraction-pieces-podcast/id929136539?mt=2

http://www.scroobiuspip.co.uk/distraction-pieces-podcast


: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin YNWA 30 September, 2015, 02:00:05 PM
Uh Garth Ennis and Scroobiius Pip, my worlds collide... though if I'm honest I didn't know he even had a Podcast and haven't bought a record by him since The Logic of Chance, something I should rectify... assuming  there's more to be bought?
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Richmond Clements 30 September, 2015, 04:10:17 PM
His last album, Distraction Pieces, is great. As is the podcast - highlights are the interviews with Alan Moore, Stewart Lee, Warren Ellis and the best one of the lot - Billy Bragg.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Colin YNWA 16 June, 2016, 10:04:55 PM
Wow we've been neglecting dear old Garth now haven't we.

So I'll set a poser and we'll see it that stokes some life in the old boy.

Just stumbled across the fact that Mr Ennis is teaming up with Carlos to do a 5 issue mini called 'World of Tanks' set in WWII. This is a lock then right? Right?

Well I have this nagging doubt. See its based on a computer game called 'World of Tanks' (I dunno I don't know much about computer games younger than say... 25 years old!) . So will this be a straight WWII story or will da Garth add some sort of extra layer... some sort of game based thing that I'm not aware of. Like do the tanks get upgrades, or fight like zombie tanks or some such. I'm torn.

I should just get over it shouldn't i!
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: I, Cosh 17 June, 2016, 12:52:25 AM
Probably. Never heard of the game. Presumably that dictates the theatre and maybe some characters but it seems unlikely that they'd go the effort of hitting up Garth to write them a tank story just to demand all sorts of ludicrous changes to what you'd expect.

A bigger problem would be that all the Tankies collaborations have been pretty naff.

I'd definitely be on board for something as daft as Urban Strike instead.
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: The Adventurer 17 June, 2016, 01:28:53 AM
World of Tanks has no characters. It's selling point being 'hardware porn' being literally just all the tanks in WW2 from all powers. It's pretty much a blank slate in terms of story.  As it literally has none.

I'd expect their requirements for a licensed comic are 'showcase as many real tanks as possible', and 'keep the boobs to a minimum'.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: GordyM 28 June, 2016, 03:32:09 PM
Red Team's back soon. The first series was a great read so high hopes for the follow-up.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 15 September, 2016, 03:03:56 PM
Red team is back and enjoyable as ever...

Also World of Tanks is out but not seen that
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: Tiplodocus 15 May, 2017, 01:11:57 PM
Finally picked up WAR STORIES VOLUME 2 and loved it from cover to cover.

It helps that it the last story has a happy(ish) ending... otherwise it would have been a bit too grim.

CONDORS is just outstanding stuff; entertaining and educational and sweary (the bit that Reith left out of his vision).  A pity that Carlos didn't get to draw much more of his homeland than bomb and shell craters.

But it's all good stuff with fantastic each brilliant but very different  art turns from David Lloyd, Cam Kennedy, Carlos Ezquerra and Gary Erskine.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 13 September, 2018, 01:13:01 PM

Just to say  I've really enjoyed PJ and Garth's Citadel World of Tanks about the Eastern Front/Kursk, this along with A walk through Hell are two of the comics I'm currently well happy to pick up and to recommend to awbody here.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Bad City Blue 13 September, 2018, 01:58:12 PM
Not too sure about A Walk Through Hell. Seems very jumbled up so far
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 17 September, 2018, 01:41:46 PM
I can see what you mean, its fast cutting back and forth, also using the colour palate to indicate when and where, and there is a fair bit of assumption made you know who's who and you're up with the troupe of Detective TV, all of which I'm enjoying  :D
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: GordyM 18 September, 2018, 12:48:38 PM
Yeah, I'm really enjoying it too. I'm a huge Garth Ennis fan but for awhile there it seemed like he was on autopilot with the likes of Jimmy's Bastards. This is the first one in awhile that feels like he's focused rather than 'floating', if that makes sense.
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: Proudhuff 18 September, 2018, 02:22:39 PM
It Does!
I had a quick chortle at Jimmy's Bastards and enjoyed the premise, but at 3.50 a pop, I wasn't going to sign up for that  :-\
 
: Re: GARTH ENNIS PLANES and BOYS
: GordyM 19 September, 2018, 12:22:01 PM
It's fun enough that it's worth picking up the trade if you see it going cheap but too Ennis-on-autopilot to be worth a big chunk of change.
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: Proudhuff 12 April, 2019, 12:45:58 PM
Picked up the collected Out of the blue’ great stuff again, a continued story from the one about the flier from the Artic convoy....but a salute to the Mozzie as well.  Going for 13 quid on amazon.