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Title: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Devons Daddy on 13 January, 2009, 04:51:46 AM
saw this noted on the board under bollad books.
its a thought, in this day and age of internet and sudden shock exposure.
do you think the likes of mc donalds and the gang would go for the throat if they surfaced again.

in a way of OHHHH LOOOOKKKKK!!!!! world media, they are demonising us. this 2000ad! who do they think they are.
could the potentail slap on the wrists far out weigh the potentail media coverage of such a reprint?

the art was stunning, the whole stroy arc outstanding.
the potentail to create a very good viral marketing campaign without doubt possible.
if it gathered speed on the net, it could with ease crash the server of this place. storm in a teacup=big sales for a short period.
increased readership for long term.

any one think i had to much cheese for supper or is this a viable if risky stratergy that could be used.
photo shop the guy from supersize me in holding a copy of the prog and wearing one of our old style t shirts.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Bouwel on 13 January, 2009, 08:43:32 AM
I have a feeling that they'd come down on the publishers like a ton of bricks. The response was bad the first time around. This time the world, and especially America, is much more geared towards litigation. I seem to remember that they printed a 'free advert' for corn in one of the progs after the event? At the time I couldn't understand why that was there but it makes sense now.

I have a copy of the original prog so I can look at it as needed anyways.

-Bouwel-
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 January, 2009, 10:21:12 AM
If the Prog was US-based, it could probably get away with this under US satire laws. In the UK, however, Rebellion would probably be sued out of existence.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 13 January, 2009, 10:47:05 AM
McDonalds never actually kicked up a fuss, though, DD. It was the Jolly Green Giant parody that caused the stink and required the apology, IPC just pulled the McDonalds progs to avoid a similar fiasco.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Peter Wolf on 13 January, 2009, 12:31:43 PM
Why not publish the banned issues by altering the names/logos that are copyrighted into something very similar that are fictitious ?

This seems like an easy solution.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Wake on 13 January, 2009, 12:38:38 PM
Because it's not just names -- especially for Soul Food many panels would need to be significantly redrawn, which wouldn't be cost effective for a graphic novel. It could possibly work in the Megazine, but might need to replace original strip pages rather than articles. Would you still want altered pages if the new artwork was by anyone other than Mick McMahon and Brian Bolland?
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Peter Wolf on 13 January, 2009, 01:11:58 PM
I must admit i would need to read them again as i only have one of the banned issues but having the strips redrawn to that extent would miss the point entirely.

Would it be an idea to contact the organisations concerned to see how they feel about having them reprinted ?They might not mind if they are asked first particularly as there isnt anything that is detrimental to their reputation in the strips.They might ask for a percentage of the sales or negotiate a fixed fee for using their trademarks etc then it would add up to nothing more than product placement.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: IndigoPrime on 13 January, 2009, 01:31:29 PM
Having dealt with such organisations in the past, you would quite literally have no chance of getting the major players in the story (McDonald's, Burger King, et al) to agree for any sum.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Proudhuff on 13 January, 2009, 01:40:42 PM
Your just trying to wind up the opposition, what's next? A.P.E Warriors ( that's Anti Pizza Express)
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: SuperSurfer on 13 January, 2009, 01:49:01 PM
I can't see how major brands which spend millions of dollars managing their image would be up for showing their characters involved in gang wars with their characters shooting the hell out of their competitors, calling for them to be wiped out and demanding that kids to grow up without the "horrors o' natural food!"

Interesting stuff on the banned progs here:
//http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/1810/dreddban.htm
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: satchmo on 13 January, 2009, 02:22:12 PM
I think Ronald McDonald is in one of the non-banned episodes briefly, you can see him in the crowd when Dredd is hallucinating at the end.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 13 January, 2009, 03:50:37 PM
All of a sudden I'm hungry.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Bouwel on 13 January, 2009, 04:39:34 PM
I didn't even know what Mc Donalds and Burger King were at the time the comic was released.
Ah the innocence of youth or, more likely, the lack of UK market penetration by said companies.

-Bouwel-
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Dandontdare on 13 January, 2009, 06:54:42 PM
me neither! the only one I recognised back then was the Jolly Green Giant! My copies are horribly tatty - probably too knackered to have any resale value - anyone know what kind of prices they fetch in good or shite condition?
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 13 January, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
A recent film called 'Fast Food Nation.'

Has character portrayed by Bruce Willis owner of chain of non-descript fats food outlets similar to 'Macdonalds' and 'Hungry Jacks/BurgerKing'

Telling a interviewee that there is proabably trace amounts of animal faeces in their meat patties and most probably in the burger he was eating at that moment.

Don't know why though?

Those movies are surely doing more damage than that  harmless comic strip parody.

'
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 13 January, 2009, 08:34:02 PM
Dandontdare says...

Quoteanyone know what kind of prices they fetch in good or shite condition?

IThe ones I useally buy second hand sold for two dollars Australian
. Most of them in good nick. Some of them in plastic envelop and looking mint like they have never been touched. Some of the bad ones had loose pages, pages missisng and some had scribble biro markes. Some still had the name sof original owner written right on the edge.

There was one place that were selling each ne for five to seven dollar Australian. They were nearly all good condition, though.

It's funny as the orignal price, I beleive was two to five dolars Australian and they have gone up to nearly seven dollars Australian now. Yet I guess that some of the sellers reckon they are most sought after, then they might charge extra.

Like when I when chasing up a well knwn comci called 'Werewolf by Night' -orignal series-. I found the first issue and it was selling for eighty dollars. I natrually didn't byuy it as I wa sona budget. Though was tatteyy, it was still neat, not bent, and in a nice clear envelpoed for protection.

So, I would be expecting much money for tatters, ripped progs. Depends on how obvious the damage is. If there  really moldy , smelly, destroying the integredity of the art work and story arcs within them. They might very well be of no value at all.

Incidently how much did thode old newpapery progs cost? You can tell me in Englsih pounds, I'll just use the conversion table.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 January, 2009, 09:20:22 PM
Just publish them in Russia and have copies imported.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Peter Wolf on 13 January, 2009, 10:20:39 PM
Quote from: "ThryllSeekyr"A recent film called 'Fast Food Nation.'

Has character portrayed by Bruce Willis owner of chain of non-descript fats food outlets similar to 'Macdonalds' and 'Hungry Jacks/BurgerKing'

Telling a interviewee that there is proabably trace amounts of animal faeces in their meat patties and most probably in the burger he was eating at that moment.

Don't know why though?

Those movies are surely doing more damage than that  harmless comic strip parody.

'

Thats an interesting point that i hadnt thought of.I have started eating at Burger King again since they introduced Aberdeen Angus Beef to their menu.Naughty but nice [and non intensively farmed].
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Bouwel on 14 January, 2009, 07:59:36 AM
Without wanting to sound snobbish I wouldn't eat at McDonalds if it were the last place on earth. In my current job I frequently deal with hygiene experts and the horror stories they can tell about well known fast-food chains just go on and on. Of course, smaller 'local' places can be just as bad and it's nice to have pointers where to go without hurling your guts up next day.
The main problem as I understand it is not what's in the food but where and how it's prepared. I feel queezy at the thought of it now!

-Bouwel-
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: TordelBack on 14 January, 2009, 08:22:04 AM
I've worked in more than a few kitchens in my time, and McDonald's was far from the worst, as far as hygiene goes.  It was however the worst working environment I ever experienced, and I quit before I'd even finished paying for the uniform (I hear conditions are a bit better now).  Thinking about the restaurants I worked in, only McDonald's (and a university canteen) are still in business.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Wake on 14 January, 2009, 09:09:29 AM
I believe the banned progs are worth around £20 each in fine condition.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: LARF on 14 January, 2009, 10:22:12 AM
Tordel - you had to PAY for your uniform!!!!

Cheeky bar stewards.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 January, 2009, 10:32:33 AM
Quote from: "Wake"I believe the banned progs are worth around £20 each in fine condition.
Really? Blimey. I've had one of them on eBay a couple of times for 10 quid, with no bids (and it's in great nick); mind you, I guess real worth is what someone's willing to pay—nothing in my case!
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Bouwel on 14 January, 2009, 11:11:28 AM
My progs are in pretty poor condition so no cash for me!

-Bouwel-
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Wake on 14 January, 2009, 11:27:43 AM
Quote from: "IndigoPrime"Really? Blimey. I've had one of them on eBay a couple of times for 10 quid, with no bids (and it's in great nick); mind you, I guess real worth is what someone's willing to pay—nothing in my case!

That probably just meant that noone who didn't have them and knew why they were significant saw your auctions, and maybe dealers aren't so interested any more because eBay has already given them the opportunity to buy a few spares.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 January, 2009, 12:46:56 PM
I'm still shopping around for a couple of the issues and have set myself limit of £8 + PP on them. If you're patient I've seen them go for a lot less when I wasn't yet ready to purchase them. I have seen a copy off 77 go for about £14 I think not too long ago but never more than that.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Dandontdare on 14 January, 2009, 06:24:59 PM
of the four issues, 3 of mine have no covers at all (!), and the fourth is a bit torn with my address felt-tipped on by the paper shop. I reckon they may just fetch the 9p cover price, but I don't want to sell them anyway, I was just curious.

One thing I've just noticed BTW - in prog 78 the Michelin man fires 2 lawgivers despite the palm-print thingy - shocking faux-pas! :ugeek:
Also, I always thought that Pat Mills wrote all of the Cursed Earth, but these 2 episodes are credited to Jack Adrian - a new one on me!
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: W. R. Logan on 14 January, 2009, 06:32:19 PM
QuoteAlso, I always thought that Pat Mills wrote all of the Cursed Earth, but these 2 episodes are credited to Jack Adrian - a new one on me!

the four issues were written by Jack Adrian & John Wagner.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Dandontdare on 14 January, 2009, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: "W. R. Logan"
QuoteAlso, I always thought that Pat Mills wrote all of the Cursed Earth, but these 2 episodes are credited to Jack Adrian - a new one on me!

the four issues were written by Jack Adrian & John Wagner.

I did wonder if this was one of Wagner's many pseudonyms - a search of the forum has turned up this old thread: the real Jack Adrian (//http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16089&p=266275) and his biog under the name Chris Lowder on Barney (//http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=thrills&Comic=2000AD&Field=Writer&choice=chrisl). I'm surprised I wasn't aware of him till now, he wrote lots of future shocks and time twisters, as well as Dredd, Dan Dare and Invasion. But then again, I never used to read the credits, so I'm particularly crap at knowing who did what! I was always happy to put it all down to Tharg and a bunch of droids!
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Bouwel on 14 January, 2009, 08:18:06 PM
Hmm, good point. I never used to note who did what (with the notable exception of Bellardinelli as I had never seen anything like his work before).
I think with me it was just a mad rush to see whoose head Probe had dropped a car on this week!

-Bouwel-
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Dandontdare on 14 January, 2009, 08:21:21 PM
I think it was Brian Bolland that first made me think "wow, who did this?" and remember his name afterwards.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 January, 2009, 12:14:44 PM
Quote from: "W. R. Logan"
QuoteAlso, I always thought that Pat Mills wrote all of the Cursed Earth, but these 2 episodes are credited to Jack Adrian - a new one on me!

the four issues were written by Jack Adrian & John Wagner.

All 4 of the banned issues were written by people other than Pat Mills hmmmm. Would it be inappropriate to start spreading wild and ill informed rumours that its a conspricacy by Pat to get the parts banded to make sure he got all the royalties to the reprints (imagine that royalties to early 2000ad reprints!)
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: W. R. Logan on 15 January, 2009, 05:51:44 PM
QuoteI did wonder if this was one of Wagner's many pseudonyms - a search of the forum has turned up this old thread: the real Jack Adrian (//http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=16089&p=266275) and his biog under the name Chris Lowder on Barney (//http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=thrills&Comic=2000AD&Field=Writer&choice=chrisl). I'm surprised I wasn't aware of him till now, he wrote lots of future shocks and time twisters, as well as Dredd, Dan Dare and Invasion. But then again, I never used to read the credits, so I'm particularly crap at knowing who did what! I was always happy to put it all down to Tharg and a bunch of droids!

Jack [Chris] also wrote a script for the first Dredd story but it was never used, he was instructed to end it where the perps are holed up in the Empire State building.

As it happens it can be read here:

Courtroom Intro (//http://www.2000ad.nu/classof79/issues_online/courtroom/court_intro.htm)

Courtroom Script (//http://www.2000ad.nu/classof79/issues_online/courtroom/courtroom_script.htm)

Courtroom (//http://www.2000ad.nu/classof79/issues_online/courtroom/courtroom.htm)
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Peter Wolf on 15 January, 2009, 06:59:03 PM
Quote from: "Bouwel"Hmm, good point. I never used to note who did what (with the notable exception of Bellardinelli as I had never seen anything like his work before).
I think with me it was just a mad rush to see whoose head Probe had dropped a car on this week!

-Bouwel-

It was Belardinelli who first signed his own work [in those gorgeous centre spreads]in the prog when Dan dare appeared as there werent credit cards right at the beginning IIRC.I had never seen anything like his work before either and its more than likely that if his work hadnt appeared in Dan Dare i wouldnt have paid for and taken home my first prog that i discovered by chance in a newsagents in 1977.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Bouwel on 15 January, 2009, 07:19:49 PM
Looks like issue #36 had the first 'Credit card'. That's something I'd not noticed before.

-Bouwel-
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Post by: Dandontdare on 15 January, 2009, 09:15:07 PM
Cheers W.R. for those Jack Adrian / Courtroom links. I'm familiar with the early Dredd tale that was never published, but I wasn't aware of this - fascinating stuff. I'm definitely going to seek out a copy of that Mega-history book.

One quote from John Sanders in the article caught my eye "The comic (Action) was so tough and so realistic that it was actually pulled from the shelves by IPC with a very healthy circulation of around 180,000". In another thread, 2000ad sales were estimated at around 20,000, so this figure is astonishing.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: W. R. Logan on 15 January, 2009, 10:09:08 PM
QuoteI'm definitely going to seek out a copy of that Mega-history book.

There's two copies on ebay

Mega History 01 (//http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2000AD-ft-JUDGE-DREDD-THE-MEGA-HISTORY-THE-UNTOLD-STORY_W0QQitemZ400023430107QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Books_comics_Magazines_UK_Comics_ET?hash=item400023430107&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

Mega History 02 (//http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Judge-Dredd-Mega-history-The-Untold-Story-VG-1995_W0QQitemZ150280935863QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Books_comics_Magazines_UK_Comics_ET?hash=item150280935863&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 17 January, 2009, 08:39:38 PM
I got all four of my "banned" issues, from Purple Haze in Plymouth, back in '93, for the princely sum of £2 each. Mind you, back then I was a student- and the eight notes I spent on them was roughly equal to a week's food budget, so it's horses for courses.

It's always been a stickler for me- the "complete" collections that don't reprint these four parts... it's one of the reasons I've not bothered to get all the Case Files* (well, that and paying AGAIN for something I have in the progs, Completes, Classics, Best Ofs, Specials and god knows where else). I'd be inclined, I think, to scan, print and insert, just for peace of mind.

But- come on, these are thirty years old! Surely McDonalds and JGG wouldn't give a modicum of horse piss about them now? Haven't Rebellion got a lawyer? Or did they not buy the rights to these individual strips from IPC? Surely if early 2000AD is "important" enough to get a London Art Exhibition, a couple of on-their-way-out food companies (I hope) would seek to benefit from the exposure?

Steev

*Still waiting for the hardback, good paper-stock versions with the printing sorted and all the colour in the right place. Maybe post-new-Dredd-movie, eh? OTOH...
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: M.I.K. on 04 February, 2009, 04:56:45 PM
I've just found quite an interesting interview with Jack Adrian on YouTube. It's cut up into several chunks for some reason though.

Part one :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmjfz-fE7t0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmjfz-fE7t0)

Part two:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lyw2wDV89I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lyw2wDV89I)

Part three:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-HNLMMPVEs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-HNLMMPVEs)

Part four:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYBcIlKUpwY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYBcIlKUpwY)

Part five:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u3BaXAQ-Nw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u3BaXAQ-Nw)

Part six:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4eL7536zOY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4eL7536zOY)

Part seven:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f4A5A-_qQk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f4A5A-_qQk)

I think that's all of it. Haven't watched it all yet, so I don't know if there's anything libellous in there.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Dandontdare on 04 February, 2009, 06:01:57 PM
Quote from: "M.I.K."Haven't watched it all yet, so I don't know if there's anything libellous in there.

Neither have I, but within 13 seconds of the start he says "some would refer to [John Sanders] as a shit of the highest water" :D
This looks good, will watch the rest avidly
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Halo572 on 28 February, 2009, 06:59:39 PM
I thought it was a fallacy that these were banned in any way, I thought I had read that they agreed they wouldn't be reprinted for legal reasons.

Mine are bagged and boarded, I read them again sometime at the beginning of last year and seem to remember the art is very good.

As for ebay and what they are worth, according to some of the sellers on there this weeks 2000ad would be described as 'rare'.  They don't seem to have realised that if they do a search for the same item they are listing there are bound to be others/a lot already on there and likely at a sane price.  

They really need to be more inventive and use words like 'extinct' and 'never existed', rare has been devalued as much as our currency.
Title: Re: THE BANNED progs ? marketing potentail
Post by: Kev Levell on 01 March, 2009, 10:31:22 PM
I've got spares of 71, 72 and 77 I'm trying to sell at the mo, but no-one seems interested in trying to do a deal via the topic (//http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=24320) I started in the classified section :(.

Sorry for pimping my wares!