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With cool ending! and well funny ending after title as well...

//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xe0ORjFGCk

Oh yeah!!!

saw L4D in the discount shelf recently.

was tempted, whats the opinion on this title then,
i only have bio shock in the survival horror genre, so considering one of these titles currently. RE4 perhaps, dead space of L4D
trailer looks good must which has me interested in the first edition.

It wont be a Sequal it will be DLC



They are still developing L4Dead and will be for years.

Quote from: "Devons Daddy"saw L4D in the discount shelf recently.

was tempted, whats the opinion on this title then,
i only have bio shock in the survival horror genre, so considering one of these titles currently. RE4 perhaps, dead space of L4D
trailer looks good must which has me interested in the first edition.

I'd really recommend it as its an awesome "I have 10 minutes to kill" game due to its episodic nature.
Fast, fun, furious... and more F words I shouldnt put on here. And you WILL have a mini panic attack during your first zombie swarm.

I'd definately play the single player with bots option for a while before going online with it though. You'll get left behind and wont last 5 minutes.

Well Devons Daddy, the question you have to ask yourself is just how much do you like zombies?

Left4Dead is a great game IF you can immerse yourself in the whole zombie apocalypse scenario and don't mind very little plot. The main campaigns see you as 1 of 4 survivors trying to get to an evacuation point without getting eaten.

It is great fun single player, but as there are only four maps you really need to be able to play it online to get the most out of it for any length of time. I play with a couple of mates sometimes and having voice comms with them while playing is what really makes it a great game instead of just a good one.

The system can match you online with players of your own standard and there seems to be fewer smacktards on L4D than other online shooters I have played. Probably because you HAVE to cooperate to survive, the little 4 man human team is easily taken down if you split up. So idiots who don't cooperate get booted off by the others.

There is a mode where you play both 4 human survivors vs 4 human controlled special zombies and hundreds of AI zombies, so you get to vomit on, pounce into, tongue lasso and bludgeon the terrified puny humans too. A new mode challenges you as a team to survive as long as you can against an unstoppable hoard with a new map.

All good fun and if you want to buy it DD I will gladly hook up and show you the ropes.

Cheers,
Minky

A guy in work with me keeps bigging this up to me, trying to convince me to get it. I'll probably trade in F.E.A.R. 2 which I got cheap recently 'cos it's too scary for me

Quote from: "James"A guy in work with me keeps bigging this up to me, trying to convince me to get it. I'll probably trade in F.E.A.R. 2 which I got cheap recently 'cos it's too scary for me

Left 4 Dead is FAR scarier! It's one my favourite games ever though, for multiplayer action you can't get much better. Each "Episode" lasts about an hour so playing a session with 3 friends feels like a proper zombie movie, and they're all structured to climax in an almighty seige situation. The tension and excitement as you all try to make it to the escape vehicles is incredible!

But zombies aren't scary as such, more funny than anything.

F.E.A.R. is just creepy supernatural type scary.

Quote from: "James"But zombies aren't scary as such, more funny than anything.

F.E.A.R. is just creepy supernatural type scary.

True, F.E.A.R. is pretty damn spooky. Shuffling zombies I find funny, the running screeching terrors in L4D are another matter for me!

Im worse with spooky atmospheric games personally. Girling my way through Bioshock at the moment.

Left 4 Dead doesnt bother me that much but I will admit to freaking out a bit during my first couple of swarms. Oh... and the witch...

ok, maybe it is pretty scary.

This sucks much ASSSSSSS



It is a sequal, i thought Valve were gonna treat this like TF2 with a decent community, and new DLC every few months, i cant believe they are going straight to a sequal

Look forward to this.

Is there a free demo of this?

Quote from: "ThryllSeekyr"Is there a free demo of this?

a free demo?
what a shite mayor!

shall be placing a handful of groats down tommorrow on this purchase.

as always my thanks for the reccomendations, DD and son of DD will be playing this weekend.

Quote from: "Goaty"

Quote from: "ThryllSeekyr"Is there a free demo of this?

a free demo?
what a shite mayor!

Goaty you bastard!

I was that far from a coffee-on-the-monitor-in-the-middle-of-the-office situation there!

Y'know, I think I have to agree with Hitler on this one....(just on this one)

//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQe4tlsfRbY

This game is causing all sorts of controversy, there are large Boycott's/petitions etc.

Apparantly this game is just the UPDATES that were promised for free for L4D.



I love l4d and have been looking forward to the promised content as its clearly not a finished product, and releasing a sequal less than a year after the origional without even finishing it sucks.

Quote from: "TheEdge"This game is causing all sorts of controversy, there are large Boycott's/petitions etc.

Apparantly this game is just the UPDATES that were promised for free for L4D.



I love l4d and have been looking forward to the promised content as its clearly not a finished product, and releasing a sequal less than a year after the origional without even finishing it sucks.

Not strictly true. The game is for all intents and purposes a sequel, and the additional content that was promised for free for the original is still going to be coming out and will still be free (a chunk is already out). The issue is that Valve are renowned for releasing PC games and then supporting them for years to come with mods and updates, so from what I can gather the PC players have more or less assumed the same would be the case with L4D and aren't too happy about it. The engine used for L4D is a bit dated nowadays so it wouldn't surprise me at all if the sequel will have the kind of fundamental code changes that just wouldn't be possible as DLC for XboxLive (there are limits to the size of DLC). So far it looks like the kind of sequel us console gamers have been happy to pay for for years, and I certainly don't have an issue with paying for something that's all new content. My worry is that it'll fracture the community if they don't allow you to transfer the first game's maps onto your hard drive for use with the sequel, but I'm sure they're savvy enough to do that.

To be honest, I haven't even played L4D in ages. It's a great game and all, but after a while, it really is just a case of firing blindly, stop, take a breath, fire, run, etc. It gets a bit repetitive after a while. It doesn't have the staying power of other online shooters, say, Team Fortress 2, where you actually need a plan.

As an ageing PC gamer L4D works well for me and my chums.

Where as countless evenings and weekends have been spent on Battlefield 2 in the past, as we all move into having young families, L4D is a great pick up and cooperate blast. It is even really handy that if you have to go afk (due to babies crying, Toddlers falling out of bed etc.) the game will play your idle character as a bot until you get back!

If it was more complicated we wouldn't be able to play together online much without 'booking' an evening off with all the wives!

Quote from: "Keef Monkey"

Quote from: "TheEdge"This game is causing all sorts of controversy, there are large Boycott's/petitions etc.

Apparantly this game is just the UPDATES that were promised for free for L4D.



I love l4d and have been looking forward to the promised content as its clearly not a finished product, and releasing a sequal less than a year after the origional without even finishing it sucks.

Not strictly true. The game is for all intents and purposes a sequel, and the additional content that was promised for free for the original is still going to be coming out and will still be free (a chunk is already out). The issue is that Valve are renowned for releasing PC games and then supporting them for years to come with mods and updates, so from what I can gather the PC players have more or less assumed the same would be the case with L4D and aren't too happy about it. The engine used for L4D is a bit dated nowadays so it wouldn't surprise me at all if the sequel will have the kind of fundamental code changes that just wouldn't be possible as DLC for XboxLive (there are limits to the size of DLC). So far it looks like the kind of sequel us console gamers have been happy to pay for for years, and I certainly don't have an issue with paying for something that's all new content. My worry is that it'll fracture the community if they don't allow you to transfer the first game's maps onto your hard drive for use with the sequel, but I'm sure they're savvy enough to do that.

DATED????? te game came out in NOV last year its not even a year old, and the SEQUAL is using the same engine with new textures the only difference so far is that it will have an improved AI.


Battlefield 2 was good, but i always prefered Battlefield NAM

Its and updated version of the HL2 engine which is years old. I've had this on the shelf for about 6 months and still aint played it so better get my arse in gear before the sequel.

Yeah, what he said! That engine has been kicking about for yonks, so even if the sequel is using it too there's bound to be a bit of an overhaul. A common reason I hear from people not wanting to buy L4D is that they think it looks like a Half Life mod, so it's perfectly possible they're going to go to town on the basics. I know it's only been a year since the original was released, but that doesn't necessarily mean L4D2's only been in development for a year, there's a hell of a lot goes on behind closed doors before things are announced to the public. I may be wrong, it may just turn out to be more of the same, but I hope it's great and I'm willing to give it the chance to be. No doubt the people having fits about it would be happier with a shit game, so they can stand atop Smug Towers and lord it over the people who dared to dream.

Quote from: "Keef Monkey"Yeah, what he said! That engine has been kicking about for yonks, so even if the sequel is using it too there's bound to be a bit of an overhaul. A common reason I hear from people not wanting to buy L4D is that they think it looks like a Half Life mod, so it's perfectly possible they're going to go to town on the basics. I know it's only been a year since the original was released, but that doesn't necessarily mean L4D2's only been in development for a year, there's a hell of a lot goes on behind closed doors before things are announced to the public. I may be wrong, it may just turn out to be more of the same, but I hope it's great and I'm willing to give it the chance to be. No doubt the people having fits about it would be happier with a shit game, so they can stand atop Smug Towers and lord it over the people who dared to dream.

Seconded. Rather surprisingly, Valve aren't obliged to continue tweaking and improving the first game, especially if they feel they can do a better job of the whole shebang with a sequel.

Quote from: "SamuelAWilkinson"Seconded. Rather surprisingly, Valve aren't obliged to continue tweaking and improving the first game, especially if they feel they can do a better job of the whole shebang with a sequel.

Your correct they are not OBLIGED, and i believe they will continue to support L4D1.
However L4D was never a CLEARLY finished product, with only half the playability available ( VS mode only on half the maps etc) but people were happy as VALVE promised that it would recieve more content which they were working on.

A quote from  VALVE at L4D's release

" with Left 4 Dead where we'll have the initial release and then we'll release more movies, more characters, more weapons, unlockables, achievements, because that's the way you continue to grow a community over time as with TF2"

I believe that they did so much work on the add ons/extras/FIXES that they decided in this current economical climate, they would package the updates as a stand alone game. Wich i believe will detract from the QUALITY OF SUPPORT to L4D1 that was promised,

There's a good preview of the new game in the new gamesTM, where it's all made a bit clearer.

The changes being made are pretty big and do seem to dictate a new game. For starters the combat system's needed to be rebuilt from the ground-up to allow for dismemberment. You can now blow off limbs and the zombies will keep on twitching and coming at you with what's left (during the preview they apparently axed off both of a zombie's legs and it kept crawling after them). It's a prequel to the original game and starts from the actual beginning of the outbreak, meaning as you travel through the different campaigns things will get crazier and crazier, with a lot more narrative and plot via in-game dialogue. There's a new version of the AI director too, which not only controls pacing like the original, but can randomly generate scenery too. It means each map will be different every time, placement of obstacles will vary and the paths you're herded down will be different as it'll decide which streets and buildings to block off on the fly. There's also obviously new super-infected, but they admittedly could have been DLC I reckon. It's not mentioned in the article, but I reckon even just the fact there's daytime sections could mean dynamic lighting complications that the original might not have been designed to cope with.

They're saying with all the differences they actually expect people to decide which one they like best and stick with that, so they're working on making the 2 games compatible online so that players of the second game can play with players of the first, and both games will continue to be supported with DLC.

As I've said I didn't think a sequel was unreasonable in the first place but looking at what's going into it I don't see how anyone can genuinely argue they're being shortchanged with it. Pretty excited here.

I agree with some of the other posters - how much do you like blasting zombies? I happen to like it very much, and have since the original Resident Evil. If that's what you're after, this is the game for you. However...if you like plot, character developement and all that, well, this will probably wear out it's welcome quickly.

Lately, I've been playing L4D a lot because I don't have much time for gaming. This is perfect for a half hour here, a half hour there. Plus, more and more copies are ending up in the used bins!