This is about the 100 page long year-books that eventually replaced the annuals. Can anyone tell me who published the first ones(2000-2004)? Egmont, Fleetway, or Rebellion?
After the demise of the hardbacks in '91 we had the yearbooks up to '95. What happened after that? Nothing official until Prog 2000?
Cheers.
There weren't any until Prog 2000, no.
Prog 2000 must have been Egmont, as Rebellion bought the comic in July 2000, in time for prog 1200.
Hi Grant. Thanks for that.
Should I treat the Prog #2000 - 2009 as a seperate series for indexing purposes, or do they actually take the place of particular number in the sequence of weeklys?
ie. Lets say the penultimate issue from the year 2001 was #1400. Next you get the year ending Prog 2002. Will the following first issue in January be numbered #1401 or #1402?
(Changed me monicker as it was fair wearing me out).
Prog 1370 was dated 10 dec 2003, then came Prog 2004 and then prog 1371 was dated 7 Jan 2004.
I knew this'd cause confusion somewhere down the line when it began! Eventually, we'll reach prog 2000 proper and the number will have already been taken! Almost as daft as having a sci-fi comic that's effectively titled "nine years ago" ;D
Thanks for that, Dandontdare. As I thought, they're a seperate series.
Just been reading elsewhere that the rights to Dan Dare have just been sold, if that's of any interest to you. (Maybe it was posted here as well)?
Anyway, here's the link:
http://www.comicsuk.co.uk/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2866
no that's news to me. Hmm... a Dan Dare TV series? - could be immense, could be eye-pokingly awful!
PS - I'd post a new thread about that if I were you, haven't heard anyone round here mention it. It would be terribly rude to nick your news and do it myself! And I'm not a DD fan in particular - it was just the the first smartarse name that came to mind when I registered!
Quote from: OpusAndBill on 15 July, 2009, 05:33:43 PM
As I thought, they're a seperate series.
Its not really. It is, sort of, three (?) weeks worth of stories jammed into one to give the droids time to get their sumps drained over the festive period (I am never sure if this is a euphemism).
While it is, in some ways, in the tradition of the Annuals and Yearbooks (giving you a big fat read when you are trying to digest turkey and ignore the relatives, or even when trying to pass your... "yule log" which requires extra "throne time"), they aren't one-offs but part of the series, so the next issue after prog 1173 (December 8, 1999) is Prog 2000 (December 15, 1999), and ongoing stories started in Prog 2000 continued in prog 1174 (January 5, 2000).
This is a real pain when next/prev links are automatically generated and I have tried to clear this up on the comicbookdb using links in the notes section:
http://comicbookdb.com/issue.php?ID=68272
To answer the other question:
Prog 2000 - Fleetway-Quality
Prog 2001 - Fleetway
Prog 2002 - Fleetway/Rebellion (seems to be trapped in the middle - I'd want to go back and take a look at the fine print on that one)
Prog 2003+ - Rebellion
Quote from: Emperor on 15 July, 2009, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: OpusAndBill on 15 July, 2009, 05:33:43 PM
As I thought, they're a seperate series.
Its not really.
He's right, they really aren't. Read the progs consecutively from the year 2000 onwards
without including the end-of-year progs and the stories just wouldn't make any sense.
Quote from: dandontdare on 15 July, 2009, 05:48:19 PMPS - I'd post a new thread about that if I were you, haven't heard anyone round here mention it. It would be terribly rude to nick your news and do it myself! And I'm not a DD fan in particular - it was just the the first smartarse name that came to mind when I registered!
Sadly, neither am I. Massimo Belardinelli-inspired madness excepted. Feel free to post it. You probably know more about than I do anyway. I'm still very much trawling through sites trying to pick up creator credits.
Quote from: Emperor on 15 July, 2009, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: OpusAndBill on 15 July, 2009, 05:33:43 PM
As I thought, they're a seperate series.
Its not really. It is, sort of, three (?) weeks worth of stories jammed into one to give the droids time to get their sumps drained over the festive period (I am never sure if this is a euphemism).
While it is, in some ways, in the tradition of the Annuals and Yearbooks (giving you a big fat read when you are trying to digest turkey and ignore the relatives, or even when trying to pass your... "yule log" which requires extra "throne time"), they aren't one-offs but part of the series, so the next issue after prog 1173 (December 8, 1999) is Prog 2000 (December 15, 1999), and ongoing stories started in Prog 2000 continued in prog 1174 (January 5, 2000).
The problem for me is I've just indexed it for the GCD here:
http://www.comics.org/details.lasso?id=164275
It's listed as #2002, which it obviously isn't. I take your point about the following issues stories not making sense if you don't read it, but there are also a fair number of reprints (in Christmas annual tradition).
I think, for GCD purposes it has to be listed as a seperate series. It certainly is by Barney! Fortunately, from my point of view, one of the GCD editors will have to sort this out as I'm only a lowly indexer and aren't allowed to play with the toys. I'll point them this way, though :)
Yes it is a system designed to give a database throbbing Chalfonts the size of tenis balls - do you not have the facility to include text as an alternative to the issue number? If not then I suppose you don't have much of an option. Barney manages to get around this by listing them as special issues (which they are, even if they are also in the flow of the series) and then including the link in a note field (which pulls everything together), as with Nikolai Dante:
http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&Comic=2000AD&choice=NIKOLAI
However, you'd need a way to list the stories/strips separately from the issue and most of the major online comics databases aren't set up to do this (having been built with American comic books in mind).
The only fix I can see is being able to add a mention in the entry for the next ordinary issue, saying the story continues from Prog 2002 and leave it to people to dig back.
Quote from: OpusAndBill on 15 July, 2009, 06:29:06 PMI take your point about the following issues stories not making sense if you don't read it, but there are also a fair number of reprints (in Christmas annual tradition).
I'd need to check Prog 2002 (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=specials&choice=PROG2002) (if that is what we are refering to) but the end of year Progs tend
not to have reprint material (one of the things that sets it apart from the Annuals), being a mix of original one-offs, continuing stories, text stories and features.
It's best to number them separately, like so:
1172
1173
P2000
1174
1175
If that's possible at GCD.
Quote from: Emperor on 15 July, 2009, 06:52:48 PM
Quote from: OpusAndBill on 15 July, 2009, 06:29:06 PMI take your point about the following issues stories not making sense if you don't read it, but there are also a fair number of reprints (in Christmas annual tradition).
I'd need to check Prog 2002 (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=specials&choice=PROG2002) (if that is what we are refering to) but the end of year Progs tend not to have reprint material (one of the things that sets it apart from the Annuals), being a mix of original one-offs, continuing stories, text stories and features.
There is no reprint material in the Prog 200x's.