Title: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Tweak72 on 26 November, 2009, 08:15:14 PM
Post by: Tweak72 on 26 November, 2009, 08:15:14 PM
Who would you think could pull it off writing wise?
Who would you think could pull it off art wise?
Do you think it should be done?
Who would you think could pull it off art wise?
Do you think it should be done?
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 08:48:14 PM
Post by: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 08:48:14 PM
I know I'll be shouted at, but I think it's one of the worst series in Twoth's history (that wasn't written by M Fliesher or starred Tao De Moto).
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 November, 2009, 08:51:07 PM
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 November, 2009, 08:51:07 PM
Quote from: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 08:48:14 PM
I know I'll be shouted at, but I think it's one of the worst series in Twoth's history
WHAAAAAAATTTTTTTTT?!?!
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Trout on 26 November, 2009, 08:54:16 PM
Post by: Trout on 26 November, 2009, 08:54:16 PM
Quote from: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 08:48:14 PM
I know I'll be shouted at, but I think it's one of the worst series in Twoth's history (that wasn't written by M Fliesher or starred Tao De Moto).
Don't be stupid. Or, if you must, please try to do it more quietly. It's a damned fine strip. Yes, there are a lot of prison break cliches in there, but it's a great adventure story, full of twists and turns, and the Alan Davis art is bloody fantastic.
Shame on you, Gloady! ;D
- Trout
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: golledge100 on 26 November, 2009, 08:54:48 PM
Post by: golledge100 on 26 November, 2009, 08:54:48 PM
Maybe it was the time and age in which i read it but I really enjoyed it. I'd never even heard of "the prisoner" at the time. I don't know how a sequel would work but a "reimaging" would be interesting. Maybe its to do with the fact that its "old skool" but I can't see anyone else but Henry Flint doing art duties. Writing duties going to Al Ewing would make it a no brainer in my eyes!
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Pete Wells on 26 November, 2009, 08:57:48 PM
Post by: Pete Wells on 26 November, 2009, 08:57:48 PM
I think Mr PJ Holden could do a good job...
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 09:00:12 PM
Post by: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 09:00:12 PM
Under those circumstances it'd deserve a look at least.
But I stand by my judgement on H20otHR. I loathed it.
But I stand by my judgement on H20otHR. I loathed it.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
Quote from: King Trout on 26 November, 2009, 08:54:16 PM
Yes, there are a lot of prison break cliches in there, but it's a great adventure story, full of twists and turns
I have to say, the reversal when they get to Earth -- the double whammy of Ben 90, and then Ghengis -- is a damn fine bit of writing. To actually let Harry get what he wants, and to then bring him so low is classic storytelling.
Even at the tender age of 13, I could see that Alan Davis was going to be a star.
Cheers!
Jim
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 November, 2009, 09:06:08 PM
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 November, 2009, 09:06:08 PM
Have to be honest not a big fan at all. Ok it looks good but just not for me. That said I feel that way about most stuff by Gerry Finley-Day.
PJ's picture is great for all that.
PJ's picture is great for all that.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 09:08:29 PM
Post by: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 09:08:29 PM
GFD had many great ideas. VCs, Rogue, probably a few more I can't remember.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2009, 09:16:54 PM
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2009, 09:16:54 PM
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 26 November, 2009, 09:06:08 PM
That said I feel that way about most stuff by Gerry Finley-Day.
Strangely, even at the age of 13, I thought Harry 20 felt different to GFD's other stuff. It was only many, many years later I found out that Alan Grant was paid to extensively re-write it ...
Cheers
Jim
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 10:24:03 PM
Post by: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 10:24:03 PM
REALLY?
Wow. Just.... wow.
Hang on, having typed that I seem to remember that mentioned in TPO, or am I just barking?
On the subject of rewrites, I always found it ironic that Pat Mills, the chief of the "rewrite-is-artistic-bum-rape" camp, rewrote so many things in Twoth's early days.
Wow. Just.... wow.
Hang on, having typed that I seem to remember that mentioned in TPO, or am I just barking?
On the subject of rewrites, I always found it ironic that Pat Mills, the chief of the "rewrite-is-artistic-bum-rape" camp, rewrote so many things in Twoth's early days.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: I, Cosh on 26 November, 2009, 10:26:04 PM
Post by: I, Cosh on 26 November, 2009, 10:26:04 PM
It's different when Pat does it.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Trout on 26 November, 2009, 10:40:56 PM
Post by: Trout on 26 November, 2009, 10:40:56 PM
I rewrite the work of reporters every night without fail and, if they have a problem with it, they can just shut the fuck up.
Pat Mills himself has used newspapers as an example of why it's perfectly acceptable to change submissions and I simply do not understand why 2000AD's editorial staff don't do more work on Pat's scripts, or at least his dialogue. Maybe the work does take place and we just can't tell.
If you pay for someone to build a fence and it's the wrong colour, then you are entitled to repaint it.
- Trout
Pat Mills himself has used newspapers as an example of why it's perfectly acceptable to change submissions and I simply do not understand why 2000AD's editorial staff don't do more work on Pat's scripts, or at least his dialogue. Maybe the work does take place and we just can't tell.
If you pay for someone to build a fence and it's the wrong colour, then you are entitled to repaint it.
- Trout
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: worldshown on 26 November, 2009, 10:58:33 PM
Post by: worldshown on 26 November, 2009, 10:58:33 PM
I may have imagined it, but didn't Tony Lee once say that he considered having Harry 20 as Raider in Stalag 666?
Incidentally, I enjoyed Harry 20 when it was first in the comic but I felt it had become quite corny by the time it was reprinted in the Meg, especially all the joke names like Swede 16 and Root 66.
Incidentally, I enjoyed Harry 20 when it was first in the comic but I felt it had become quite corny by the time it was reprinted in the Meg, especially all the joke names like Swede 16 and Root 66.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Steve Green on 26 November, 2009, 10:59:26 PM
Post by: Steve Green on 26 November, 2009, 10:59:26 PM
Punny names?
Dan Abnett?
That PJ Harry 20 is great.
Dan Abnett?
That PJ Harry 20 is great.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2009, 11:20:33 PM
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2009, 11:20:33 PM
Quote from: worldshown on 26 November, 2009, 10:58:33 PM
didn't Tony Lee once say that he considered having Harry 20 as Raider in Stalag 666?
He did, until I sent him that envelope full of poo, and then --strangely-- he changed his mind ...
Eep! I've said too much ...
Cheers!
Jim
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: flip-r mk2 on 26 November, 2009, 11:23:46 PM
Post by: flip-r mk2 on 26 November, 2009, 11:23:46 PM
Quote from: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 08:48:14 PMA swift kick to the balls for Mike.Cracker of a picture from PJ nice one mate.
I know I'll be shouted at, but I think it's one of the worst series in Twoth's history (that wasn't written by M Fliesher or starred Tao De Moto).
filip
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Noisybast on 27 November, 2009, 10:18:22 AM
Post by: Noisybast on 27 November, 2009, 10:18:22 AM
Quote from: worldshown on 26 November, 2009, 10:58:33 PM
Incidentally, I enjoyed Harry 20 when it was first in the comic but I felt it had become quite corny by the time it was reprinted in the Meg, especially all the joke names like Swede 16 and Root 66.
Let's not forget "Big Red 1"...
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Bolt-01 on 27 November, 2009, 10:20:37 AM
Post by: Bolt-01 on 27 November, 2009, 10:20:37 AM
I remember reading the Tony Lee thing too, but Iirc, Tharg veto'd it as it was too soon on from Malone, the Vort etc.
Personally I'd love to see a sequel- however I don't think we will.
Al Ewing and PJ would be my choice for creators as well.
Personally I'd love to see a sequel- however I don't think we will.
Al Ewing and PJ would be my choice for creators as well.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Dunk! on 27 November, 2009, 01:59:59 PM
Post by: Dunk! on 27 November, 2009, 01:59:59 PM
Swede 16. Oh. Just got that.
Still not as bad as my only getting Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein recently.
Still not as bad as my only getting Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein recently.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Kev Levell on 27 November, 2009, 02:24:18 PM
Post by: Kev Levell on 27 November, 2009, 02:24:18 PM
Quote from: Dunk! on 27 November, 2009, 01:59:59 PM
Still not as bad as my only getting Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein recently.
Sometimes, I'm ashamed to say, things just need to be pointed out to me - this is another of those occasions, thanks for sharing Dunk - you're not alone.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: brendan1 on 13 April, 2010, 09:10:00 PM
Post by: brendan1 on 13 April, 2010, 09:10:00 PM
I loved Harry 20! So looking forward to re-reading it in my latest batch of e-bayed progs
Writer: Mr Rennie
Artist: Erm......how about Alex Ronald? He's back!
Writer: Mr Rennie
Artist: Erm......how about Alex Ronald? He's back!
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: TordelBack on 13 April, 2010, 09:20:39 PM
Post by: TordelBack on 13 April, 2010, 09:20:39 PM
QuoteSwede 16 and Root 66
Bangs head off wall. Why it take 25 years? Why me so dumb?
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Paul faplad Finch on 13 April, 2010, 09:23:14 PM
Post by: Paul faplad Finch on 13 April, 2010, 09:23:14 PM
I read Harry Twenty for the first time in the Meg reprints and absolutely loved it, even if some of the science was ever so slightly dodgy.
I even used it to convert a then colleague to the wonders of Twoth. Him being a huge Prison Break fan at the time.
As for a sequel, I'd love to see it. Even if it would kill my ridiculous dream of one day writing it myself. Oh the plans I had.
And I never got the names either.
I even used it to convert a then colleague to the wonders of Twoth. Him being a huge Prison Break fan at the time.
As for a sequel, I'd love to see it. Even if it would kill my ridiculous dream of one day writing it myself. Oh the plans I had.
And I never got the names either.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Woolly on 15 April, 2010, 03:19:33 PM
Post by: Woolly on 15 April, 2010, 03:19:33 PM
A new Harry 20 series seems like a no-brainer to me. A truly classic thrill that could only benefit from a more modern style of storytelling (if you know what i mean!)
Notch up another vote for Al Ewing and PJ.
Notch up another vote for Al Ewing and PJ.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Paul faplad Finch on 15 April, 2010, 05:59:16 PM
Post by: Paul faplad Finch on 15 April, 2010, 05:59:16 PM
I'm not sure if I thiink any of the current 'name' writers realy jump out at me as being the obvious choice to write this. A few years ago Id have gone for Gordon Rennie but these days I'd probably plump for Dan Abnett, if only becuse he's shown himself capable of telling good stories with old strips without disrespecring the originals. Flesh and the VC's being prime examples.
Art wise I'd like to see it in the b/w slot with something akin to Patrick Goddards Savage work. Grimy and dark.
Art wise I'd like to see it in the b/w slot with something akin to Patrick Goddards Savage work. Grimy and dark.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Emperor on 15 April, 2010, 06:34:02 PM
Post by: Emperor on 15 April, 2010, 06:34:02 PM
Reading the first page it seems people are referring to a picture of Harry 20 by PJ Holden - is this imaginary or does it exist somewhere?
I still don't get this. Anyone care to explain?
Quote from: Noisybast on 27 November, 2009, 10:18:22 AMQuote from: worldshown on 26 November, 2009, 10:58:33 PM
Incidentally, I enjoyed Harry 20 when it was first in the comic but I felt it had become quite corny by the time it was reprinted in the Meg, especially all the joke names like Swede 16 and Root 66.
Let's not forget "Big Red 1"...
I still don't get this. Anyone care to explain?
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Pete Wells on 15 April, 2010, 07:48:51 PM
Post by: Pete Wells on 15 April, 2010, 07:48:51 PM
QuoteReading the first page it seems people are referring to a picture of Harry 20 by PJ Holden
I own it!!!
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Emperor on 15 April, 2010, 07:52:14 PM
Post by: Emperor on 15 April, 2010, 07:52:14 PM
Oh wow, that's great!!
PJ gets my vote for Harry 20: The Long Stretch or whatever it'll hypothetically be called (Or perhaps take a leaf out of Ripping Yarns book and go for: Stirring Porridge?).
PJ gets my vote for Harry 20: The Long Stretch or whatever it'll hypothetically be called (Or perhaps take a leaf out of Ripping Yarns book and go for: Stirring Porridge?).
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: I, Cosh on 15 April, 2010, 08:05:17 PM
Post by: I, Cosh on 15 April, 2010, 08:05:17 PM
Quote from: Emperor on 15 April, 2010, 06:34:02 PMI don't think there's much to get. He was big and red (plus he had a red one on his uniform) and there was a film released a couple of years previously called The Big Red One.Quote from: Noisybast on 27 November, 2009, 10:18:22 AMI still don't get this. Anyone care to explain?Quote from: worldshown on 26 November, 2009, 10:58:33 PMLet's not forget "Big Red 1"...
Incidentally, I enjoyed Harry 20 when it was first in the comic but I felt it had become quite corny by the time it was reprinted in the Meg, especially all the joke names like Swede 16 and Root 66.
If I've missed something I'll see you on "how could I be so stupid" thread.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 15 April, 2010, 11:54:56 PM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 15 April, 2010, 11:54:56 PM
Quote from: Mike Gloady on 26 November, 2009, 08:48:14 PM
I know I'll be shouted at, but I think it's one of the worst series in Twoth's history (that wasn't written by M Fliesher or starred Tao De Moto).
Gayest post ever.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: LARF on 16 April, 2010, 08:23:46 AM
Post by: LARF on 16 April, 2010, 08:23:46 AM
I was speaking with Bolt about this very subject back in Bristol last year. My idea was to start the story off as a New Thrill and have a pilot lost in space after doing a random warp jump to escape pirates/his past etc. etc. and he jumps to a planet where he finds the High Rock orbiting a planet and the prisoners living on the surface below having made peace with the indeginous lifeforms and colonising the place. Harry is the leader and everything seems to be idillic, but after a while it's obvious some of the more violent convicts are missing and it comes to pass that Harry has exiled them / emprisoned them somewhere else on the planet. The pilot, using information gained from the High Rocks computer systems, finds his way back to Earth and tells the authorities etc. etc.
I also had the idea of Harry married to one of the aliens and the alien giving birth to his Human/Alien hybrid child who was prophesised to lead the Aliens to greatness, and that's when the Earth fleet turns up to take the convicts back into custody.
The idea was based loosely around the story of the Bounty, with a captain Blyth type figure leading the Earths forces getting in with a rival Alien tribe but with a hidden agenda of stripping the planets resources to help an overburdened Earth.
I also had the idea of Harry married to one of the aliens and the alien giving birth to his Human/Alien hybrid child who was prophesised to lead the Aliens to greatness, and that's when the Earth fleet turns up to take the convicts back into custody.
The idea was based loosely around the story of the Bounty, with a captain Blyth type figure leading the Earths forces getting in with a rival Alien tribe but with a hidden agenda of stripping the planets resources to help an overburdened Earth.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Richmond Clements on 16 April, 2010, 10:06:40 AM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 16 April, 2010, 10:06:40 AM
Quote from: The Cosh on 15 April, 2010, 08:05:17 PMQuote from: Emperor on 15 April, 2010, 06:34:02 PMI don't think there's much to get. He was big and red (plus he had a red one on his uniform) and there was a film released a couple of years previously called The Big Red One.Quote from: Noisybast on 27 November, 2009, 10:18:22 AMI still don't get this. Anyone care to explain?Quote from: worldshown on 26 November, 2009, 10:58:33 PMLet's not forget "Big Red 1"...
Incidentally, I enjoyed Harry 20 when it was first in the comic but I felt it had become quite corny by the time it was reprinted in the Meg, especially all the joke names like Swede 16 and Root 66.
If I've missed something I'll see you on "how could I be so stupid" thread.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080437/
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 April, 2010, 10:52:27 AM
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 April, 2010, 10:52:27 AM
Well somehow I'd never heard of that film, which is weird given the cast, but it looks very interesting and so now is on the family Taylor's DVD rental list!
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Emperor on 16 April, 2010, 02:37:32 PM
Post by: Emperor on 16 April, 2010, 02:37:32 PM
Ah well if that is it then I don't feel so bad - I've been trying to figure it out as a piece of wordplay, as in Bigger Edwon.
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: Judge Olde on 30 July, 2010, 01:43:35 PM
Post by: Judge Olde on 30 July, 2010, 01:43:35 PM
Ol Harry 20. Loved it & will have a re-read soon inspired by this thread. However I think some wishes are best left un-granted. I always wished for 'More' Star Wars before George 'Cock' Lucas fucked it all up...
Title: Re: Harry 20 (years later) on the High Rock?
Post by: ambrose on 07 August, 2010, 02:23:39 AM
Post by: ambrose on 07 August, 2010, 02:23:39 AM
ya I will always remember the shock of Harrys cell mate peel off his face to see an android and the wardens voice.What a story.Ya a re-visit to the high rock would be weird ::)