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Hey all   ;)

I've just began reading the Slaine Graphic Novels and need help, as strange as it sounds, on the reading order. I've all three books of The Horned God, All three versions of The Books of Invasions, Slaine the Exile, Slaine the Defiler, Warriors Dawn and soon to be Demon Slayer.

So what order should I read them in so that the story flows as it should?

Any help from any fine, outstanding members of the public will be appreciated!  ;D

Just as a P.S I Forgot to add!

The Warriors Foundary models of 2000AD Characters, Are they made for an already existing game, Or are they just models for collection/aesthetic purposes?

Thanks again!  :D

Welcome Felix!

The order of the Mills-written stuff (i.e. not the novels) is as follows:

Slaine: Book 1 - Warrior's Dawn
Slaine: Book 2 - Time Killer
Slaine: Book 3 - The King
Slaine: Book 4 - The Horned God (part of the first bit of which recaps in very sweeping detail the events of the first three as it was the first colour series so folks could be caught up nice and easy if they came to it with no previous knowledge)

and then the upcoming
Slaine: Demon Killer (the beginning of the time-travel era)

then there's a gap of stuff that's yet to be reprinted - then it's back to his own time in "The Secret Commonwealth" (also yet to be reprinted) and then

Slaine: The Books of Invasions (volumes 1-3)

Then, uncollected as yet, we've had "The Gong Beater" and "The Amber Smuggler" - both with art by Clint Langley who did the Books of Invasions.

He should be up on Wikipedia if you look. 

Am I the only one who thinks that "Gong Beater" and "Amber Smuggler" sound just a little bit ... well ... fnarr, fnarr?

Cheers!

Jim

I will quickly try to answer your question before Mayor ThryllSeekyr brings you his unique blend of shock and awe.

Warriors Dawn
Time Killer
Slaine the King
The Horned God
Demon Killer
... quite a bit of stuff that either hasn't been reprinted or is out of print...
Books of Invasions I - III

Details of the currently available books, in order, here: You wont think it too many (http://www.2000adonline.com/books/slaine-the-horned-god.php)

The two novels don't really fit into this being (I believe) a sort of retelling/fleshing out of the early stories.

I don't think there's a specific Slaine game, but I'm not up on that stuff.

I may have just said all that, Cosh! ;p  Although I conceed your brevity makes more sense.

But then, as you say, TS will be here shortly to repeat it all with less clarity than either of us managed (kidding).  I believe there was a roleplaying game from Mongoose, but I don't think the minatures have any relation to that. 

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2009, 10:44:59 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that "Gong Beater" and "Amber Smuggler" sound just a little bit ... well ... fnarr, fnarr?

No, you're not.  But most Slaine titles are a bit amusing.  Horny God anyone?

Wheyy, Thanks guys, Much appreciated! I found myself going from Book to book finding Slaine Older, Younger, mixing with Characters I've never heard of. It's a pain time killer costs so much!

Thanks again :)

Is it very expensive?

Oh and now you're here, you may as well go and start a welcome thread to give other boarders the chance to make you feel part of the community.  You'll be glad you did.  Welcome again Felix.

Just a matter of time before The Mayor arrives.








V

Quote from: vzzbux on 26 November, 2009, 11:14:32 PM
Just a matter of time before The Mayor arrives.

Can someone PM me every time ThryllSeekyr posts something? I can't keep track of all the threads, and I don't want to miss any of our Mayor's pronouncements.

Cheers!

Jim

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2009, 11:18:26 PM
[Can someone PM me every time ThryllSeekyr posts something? I can't keep track of all the threads, and I don't want to miss any of our Mayor's pronouncements.

Quiet, you cnut.

Quote from: TordelBack on 26 November, 2009, 11:25:53 PM

Quiet, you cnut.

That's very kind of you, Tordel ... thank you. I look forward to your PMs.

Cheers!

Jim

I think TB is trying to tell you there's something regal about you.

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 November, 2009, 10:44:59 PM
Am I the only one . . .

Oh, Jim. Didn't you learn anything over at the JBF? ;)

Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 27 November, 2009, 05:10:20 PM

Oh, Jim. Didn't you learn anything over at the JBF? ;)

Well, clearly I didn't learn that calling out the Chief on a stealth change to the posting guidelines gets you banned, that's fer damn sure!

Cheers

Jim

Let me guess, did the new posting guidelines demand that all posts NOT be from a man named Jim Campbell and the reasoned, sensible and measured debate using logic and manners were INSTANT BAN OFFENCES!!!!?

They did?  How odd.

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 November, 2009, 05:19:35 PMWell, clearly I didn't learn that calling out the Chief on a stealth change to the posting guidelines gets you banned, that's fer damn sure!

Count yourself lucky. That charge would've been double if you'd been a Marble character.

lol I must have missed when this simply plight for help turned into a fullu fledged HTML based Block War  :o

Don't panic Felix, we're just discussing how Jim, long ago, got banned from the John Byrne forums for *gasp* daring to disagre with the host.  Politely.  Using logical argument.  Bad move it would appear.

Admittedly it doesn't QUITE belong here and maybe we should have taken it outside....

Nah, thread drift is a way of life round here, especially when it comes to biscuits.

YES!

Let's talk about biscuits.

What kind of biscuits would Slaine enjoy?

A few posters have beaten me to it, but not to worry. Thats my problem, not yours.

Though still feel the need to share this Slaine Listing with all his stories, and expanded material, those Black Flame Novels and That old Martech game.
All ripped from the Slaine Comics Wikipedia entry.

Quote
Sláine (written by Pat Mills unless stated):
Warrior's Dawn (2005, ISBN 1904265332):
"The Time Monster" (with Angela Kincaid, in 2000 AD #330, 1983)
"The Beast in the Broch" (with Massimo Belardinelli, in 2000 AD #331-334, 1983)
"Warrior's Dawn" (with Mike McMahon, in 2000 AD #335, 1983)
"The Beltain Giant" (with Mike McMahon, in 2000 AD #336, 1983).
"The Bride of Crom" (with Massimo Belardinelli, in 2000 AD #337-342, 1983).
"The Creeping Death" (with Massimo Belardinelli, in 2000 AD #343, 1983).
"The Bull Dance" (with Massimo Belardinelli, in 2000 AD #344, 1983).
"Heroes' Blood" (with Mike McMahon, in 2000 AD #345-347, 1983)
"The Shoggey Beast" (with Mike McMahon, in 2000 AD #348-351, 1983-1984)
"Sky Chariots" (with Mike McMahon, in 2000 AD #352-360, 1984)
"The Origins" (two page text article, 2000 AD #352, 1984)
Time Killer (2007, ISBN 1905437218):
"Dragonheist" (with Massimo Belardinelli, in 2000 AD #361-367, 1984)
"The Time Killer" (with Glenn Fabry, David Pugh and Bryan Talbot, in 2000 AD #411-428 and 431-434, 1985)
The King (2008, ISBN 1905437665):
"The Tomb of Terror" (with Glenn Fabry and David Pugh, in 2000 AD #447-461)
"Spoils of Annwn" (with Mike Collins and Mark Farmer, in 2000 AD #493-499)
"Sláine the King" (with Glenn Fabry, in 2000 AD #500-508 and #517-519)
"The Killing Field" (written by Angela Kincaid, with Glenn Fabry, in 2000 AD #582)
"Slaine the Mini-Series" (with Glenn Fabry, in 2000 AD #589-591)
The Horned God (2008, ISBN 1905437733):
"The Horned God, Book I" (with Simon Bisley, in 2000 AD #626-635)
"The Horned God, Book II" (with Simon Bisley, in 2000 AD #650-656 and #662-664)
"The Horned God, Book III" (with Simon Bisley, in 2000 AD #688-698)
Uncollected:
"Jealousy of Niamh" (with Greg Staples, in 2000 AD #850-851)
"Demon Killer" (with Glenn Fabry and Dermot Power, in 2000 AD #852-859)
"Queen of Witches" (with Dermot Power, in 2000 AD #889-896)
"Name of the Sword" (with Greg Staples, in 2000 AD #950-956)
"Lord of Misrule, Part I" (with Clint Langley, in 2000 AD #958-963)
"Lord of Misrule, Part II" (with Clint Langley, in 2000 AD #995-998)
"Bowels of Hell" (with Jim Murray, in 2000 AD #1000)
"Treasures of Britain, Part I" (with Dermot Power, in 2000 AD #1001-1010)
"Ukko's Tale" (with Steve Tappin, in 2000 AD #1011-1012)
"Treasures of Britain, Part II" (with Dermot Power, in 2000 AD #1024-1031)
"The Demon Hitchhiker" (with Steve Tappin, in 2000 AD #1032)
"King of Hearts" (with Nick Percival, in 2000 AD #1033-1039)
"The Grail War" (with Steve Tappin, in 2000 AD #1040-1049)
"Secret of the Grail" (with Steve Tappin, in 2000 AD #1090-1099)
"Lord of the Beasts" (with Rafael Garres, in 2000 AD #1100)
"Kai" (with Paul Staples, in 2000 AD #1104-1107)
"The Banishing" (with Wayne Reynolds, in 2000 AD #1108-1109)
"The Triple Death" (with Wayne Reynolds, in 2000 AD #1111)
"The Swan Children" (with Siku, in 2000 AD #1112-1114)
"Macha" (with Paul Staples, in 2000 AD #1115-1118)
"The Secret Commonwealth" (with David Bircham, in 2000 AD #1183-1199)
"Beyond" (with Greg Staples, in 2000 AD prog 2000, 1999)
"The Gong Beater" (with Clint Langley, in 2000 AD prog 1635-1638)
The Books of Invasions: Moloch and Golamh (with Clint Langley, 2006, ISBN 1904265820):
"The Books of Invasions I: Moloch" (in 2000 AD #1322-1326 and prog 2003)
"The Books of Invasions II: Golamh" (in 2000 AD #1350-1355)
The Books of Invasions: Scota and Tara (with Clint Langley, 2006, ISBN 1904265928):
"The Books of Invasions III: Scota" (in 2000 AD #1371-1376)
"The Books of Invasions IV: Tara" (in 2000 AD #1420-1425 and prog 2005)
The Books of Invasions: Odacon (with Clint Langley, July 2007, ISBN 1904265928):
"The Books of Invasions V: Odacon" (200AD #1436-1442)
"Carnival" (with Clint Langley, in 2000 AD #1469-1475 and prog 2006)
Appearances in special issues:

"The Battle of Clontarf" (with Massimo Belardinelli, in 2000 AD Annual, 1985)
"The Arrow of God" (with Steve Parkhouse, in 2000 AD Annual, 1989)
"The High King" (with Glenn Fabry, in 2000 AD Yearbook, 1992)
"The Devil's Banquet" (with Glenn Fabry, in 2000 AD Sci-Fi Special, 1986)
"The Return of the High King" (by Dermot Power, Poster Prog Slaine 1)
[edit] Video games
Sláine, The Celtic Barbarian (by Creative Reality, Amstrad CPC, C64 and ZX Spectrum graphic adventure) [1]
[edit] RPGs
Solo RPG appearances:

Cauldron of Blood (Dice Man #1, illustrated by David Lloyd).
Dragoncorpse (Dice Man #2, illustrated by Nik Williams).
The Ring of Danu (Dice Man #4, illustrated by Mike Collins & Mark Farmer).
The Invulnerable King (by Ian Sturrock, Mongoose Publishing) [2]
Slaine - The Roleplaying Game of Celtic Heroes (by Aaron Dembski-Bowden, Mongoose Publishing) [3]
[edit] Novels
The first Sláine novel was released at the end of 2006:

Sláine: Sláine the Exile (Steven Savile, Black Flame, December 2006, ISBN 1844163873)
Sláine: Slaine the Defiler (Steven Savile, Black Flame, September 2007, ISBN 1-84416-493-4)

As for a Slaine game. There is a Role-Playing-Game published by Mongoose Publishing The started with Dtwenty, Dungeon and Dragons, 3rd editon rules and after several more source books, a few adventures. They converted those rules to the Runequest system. Not that I've played either of them. I don't all the required books for either system. Though, I do have everything that has the Slaine trademark. My problem with playing game such as this based on this character and the world he inhabits is that, I would really like to play as Slaine. Besides, I do have difficulty role playing and comiong up with interesting characters of my own. Anyway, it's still a interesting read. If you like Slaine like I do.

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/detail.php?qsID=1426&qsSeries=2000AD RPGs (http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/detail.php?qsID=1426&qsSeries=2000AD%20RPGs)

Are there any other games based on Slaine? Yes, there was old Spectrum/C64 coimputer game base don the character and published by Martech
It's innovative for it's time and had interesting control system called Reflex, that would be demonstrative of how. You as the player can never really be in full control of Slaine

http://www.uvlist.net/game-14809-Slaine+The+Celtic+Barbarian (http://www.uvlist.net/game-14809-Slaine+The+Celtic+Barbarian)

Got the game and have played the emulation version. It's hard to get through and I've never gotten far.

Personally, I would very much like to see a decent Slaine computer game. Inspired by the free roaming/sandpit aspect of those Rockstar North Games.

As for those Foundry Minatures....

I thought they were part of the Slaine dtwenty game and perhaps they are. Though they didn't make many. I wanted them to see them pretty much make all of them. They stopped making those not long before Slaine Runequest was published. I think their 2000AD Character Division have closed down.

I got just about all of the Slaine minis, barring one or two of the character himself and Nest, Ukko, and a SkullSword.

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/2000AD/index.asp (http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/2000AD/index.asp)

Concerning the latest reprint of the Horned God....



I was looking for Simon Bisley's colourised map of Tir-Nan-Og and the surrounding lands.

Pictured here....



I don't think I recall finding the map anywhere in that graphic novel. First time it hasn't been included. Though, I think it's essential, if your only interested in owning one version of the Slaine sagas. Otherwise it's the best reprint, because it's all done in one book.

Besides, I was looking to see where the region known as the Lyonesse is.

Yayyyy. The Mayor cometh.









V

Slaine's favorite biscuits?

I don't know , but I was thinking that something made from bakeing clumps of oat-meal over a open fire and then serving with with beer or ale.

I suspect Slaine might  dipp each one in his tankard before eating.

I got that idea from reading Creeping Death. As ukko takes advantage of the healing properties oats and powdered bone.

What ealse would there be to eat if your a Celtic barbarian living in the north?

Roast boar, potatoes, salmon, turnips....

Quote from: Felix Vane on 26 November, 2009, 10:32:58 PM
Just as a P.S I Forgot to add!

The Warriors Foundary models of 2000AD Characters, Are they made for an already existing game, Or are they just models for collection/aesthetic purposes?

Thanks again!  :D

I know I didn't answer that questtion properly before.

The Foundry Minatures.....

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/2000AD/index.asp (http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/2000AD/index.asp)

Are to my knowledge, just sold as collectables that can be painted. They are nopt offically part of any game, but could be used for any of the 2000AD related role playing gemes made by Mongoose Publisihing or the earlier Games Workshop series.

Not that I am certain, but I think that minatures might have also been made for Gangs of Mega City One, which is no longer made/sold by Mongoose Publisihng.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/14709 (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/14709)

All their minatures woul be the ones only related to Judge Dredd. As you mnotice Foundry MInatures have made....

Nemesis The Warlock

A.B.C. Warriors

Strotium Dog

Rogue Trooper

As well as Slaine

Personnally, I don't think they have made enough Slaine minatures for to be used in any big games. Sure, you can still use them, but they are mostly just different variants of Slaine & Ukko themselves.

To answer your question.  It's possibly true that Foundry made two sets of minatures. Collectables, made for a asthetic purpose and those that are directly associated with Gangs of Mega City One.

Common sence will help you where I have not.

Haveing brought myself the Gangs of Mega City One box set. I'm re-reading the rules now. I was hoping to one day write my own rules for including those other 2000AD minatures just for my own use. I was seriously thinking of a Slaine variant for this particular game. If you get my meaning.

No potatoes for Slaine, TS.

They were indigenous to the Americas and found their way here after Europeans rediscovered the "New World" for the last time thanks to Columbus.

Bad luck, but thanks for playing.  Come and have a look at what you would've won....

QuoteThey were indigenous to the Americas and found their way here after Europeans rediscovered the "New World" for the last time thanks to Columbus.

I note the presence of a Native American chieftain in the gladiator pen in Cythrawl.  Maybe he brought some spuds with him and Sláine had some while waiting for a time-traveling seamstresses to run up his leatherboy outfit.   Anyway, if they're good enough for Samwise Gamgee...

Quote from: Mike Gloady on 27 November, 2009, 05:22:46 PM
Let me guess, did the new posting guidelines demand that all posts NOT be from a man named Jim Campbell and the reasoned, sensible and measured debate using logic and manners were INSTANT BAN OFFENCES!!!!?

They did?  How odd.

Its because the owner of the forum is a control freak and a petty tyrant.

Napoleon syndrome.

Can somebody bring me up to date on this Jim Campbell Im hearing so much about? He seems pretty legendary.

Ah, the first rule of being cyber-chums with Jim Campbell is etc etc.

He's a user here, you'll meet him soon enough.  He runs the art competitions here and, despite pretending otherwise, probably won't kill you.  He's also a lettering droid (never use a crossbar "I" - he will punish you).  A legend?  Yes, that describes him well.  Sadly it's less of a Conan legend and more of a legend about a man with the short temper and the encyclopaedic knowledge of fonts.

1, he's a lettering god, who knows all there is to know about fonts and typefaces. He wages a one man war against the evil that is comic sans and anyone who puts a crossbar on a capital I.

2. He kindly takes the time to organise our regular art comps on this board, tallying all the votes etc, for which we are all in his debt.

3. He used to frequent the John Byrne Robotics forum (see this thread (http://2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,17355.0/topicseen.html)) and bring us nuggets of insanity for our amusement, but they keep banning him because in JB's world dissent WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!

4. He can be a right grumpy sod if you criticise the i-phone

He's a c*nt.  Cheers!



(Not really).

Hah! And just to spite Jim, the Byrnester's started a thread about the Nephilim!

Ahhh I see.

Could anyone suggest a good comic book to fill the void Slaine will leave me with? I've read a Sinister Dexter, ABC Warriors.ect. Sinister Dexters not bad, ABC Warriors seemed really juvenille to me.

I'm only looking for something violent and vulgar  ;D Any suggestions?

Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 30 November, 2009, 08:14:11 AM
Hah! And just to spite Jim, the Byrnester's started a thread about the Nephilim!

Irony, thy name is Byrne!

Cheers

Jim

(PS - Tordel's right. I am a cunt.)

Quote from: Mike Gloady on 29 November, 2009, 06:53:42 PM
This user is ignored.

What?! Eh?

You'll have to speak up!

Cheers

Jim

Quote from: Felix Vane on 30 November, 2009, 10:13:35 PM
Ahhh I see.

Could anyone suggest a good comic book to fill the void Slaine will leave me with? I've read a Sinister Dexter, ABC Warriors.ect. Sinister Dexters not bad, ABC Warriors seemed really juvenille to me.

I'm only looking for something violent and vulgar  ;D Any suggestions?

Given up on Slaine already, heh?

Never man! I just need something to tide me over until Demon Killer arrives  :) Can I just ask a quick one Im confused about, Does the Sky Chariots story I've heard people speak so favourably of feature in the Warriors Dawn Novel?

If it does, Im sure glad I have it! See what all the hypes about :)

I'll check.

*grabs copy of Warrior's Dawn collection.  Leafs through*

Yes, it's the last storyline in the Warrior's Dawn graphic novel.  Read that anyway, it's got all the early stuff (there are one or two stories from annuals that have yet to be reprinted anywhere, but nothing truly essential to enjoyment of the stuff you've got).

The current edition of Warrior's Dawn (with the McMahon Time Monster cover) is one of the finest things in all comicdom, possibly in all creation.  If Rebellion never did another thing for us, that'd almost be enough.

Quote from: TordelBack on 01 December, 2009, 11:26:28 AM
The current edition of Warrior's Dawn (with the McMahon Time Monster cover) is one of the finest things in all comicdom, possibly in all creation.

The merest glance at that McMahon artwork transports me back to that sense of dumbfounded awe as the twelve-year old me literally had his fragile little mind warped by the sheer audacity of what Mick was attempting.



Cheers!

Jim

Just look at the rooty 'antlers' on Slough Throt's mask - that alone stinks of genius. 

I never get tired of looking at those pages.  The scene of Slaine wrestling the bull, the chaos of the boarding action, the look of teh flames qnd smoke, the incredibly plausible lightness of the ships themselves, the naturalistic forest below...  Soth!  You can keep your Bisleys and your Fabrys, the Bellarndinelli/McMahon team are the men for me.

I take it your all middle aged guys here? Your talking of this in a reminiscent kind of way, Like it was something you read quite an age ago?

Just an assumption, I'm sure your all lovely, outstanding members of the general public. Possibly.  :o

Quote from: Felix Vane on 01 December, 2009, 12:14:54 PM
I take it your all middle aged guys here?

Cheeky bastard!*

QuoteYour talking of this in a reminiscent kind of way, Like it was something you read quite an age ago?

I'd actually mis-remembered the dates for this -- the page above was first published in Feb 1984, meaning that I was fourteen, going on fifteen at the time.

Cheers!

Jim

*Yes. All right, it's true. We don't like being reminded!

It WAS something I read a very long time ago.  Late 80s for me (although I was a latecomer).

I'm 35, which means I no-longer count as "young" as of my last birthday, but have about five years before I count as middle-ageed.