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Title: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: pauljholden on 19 March, 2010, 09:41:27 AM
Hey, I'm gonna do a blog post rounding up as much advice as I can think of/gather and answering questions - no question too stupid! If you want to take part, put your questions here (I'll be blogging tonight at 9:00 -ish ...)

-pj
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: Richmond Clements on 19 March, 2010, 09:44:36 AM
Good one!

Not an artist, obviously, but I've always wondered how you, as an artist, know when your work is ready to be shown to a publisher?
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: pauljholden on 19 March, 2010, 09:48:44 AM
(I'm biting my nails here as I'd like to respond to questions as I see them... but answers, tonight - AT 9!)

-pj
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: uncle fester on 19 March, 2010, 10:24:56 AM
Thanks for this, PJ, very kind of you to offer.

- What's general protocol for actually approaching editors/pro artists for portfolio advice? (Obviously with artists I'm guessing you want to wait till they're not sketching, but is that only at the bar?)

- I'm looking to show folks my work in B&W at A3 but there's a chance with some of it that it'll be tampered with in PhotoShop (for assembly, most likely) - Is that acceptable or one of the unwritten no-no's?

- Can you actually just walk from table to table garnering advice on your work or should you just pick a few? (I'm looking to tailor various parts of the portfolio to various publishers)

- Can you submit work that has pencils incorporated into the inks as finshed work? (Bit specific, sorry)

Yours Sincerely, a noobie to  submissions.
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: James on 19 March, 2010, 11:08:59 AM
What size should you show arwork at? I'm thinking A3.

What's the best format to leave samples behind? A4 I assume, but stapled together? Presented in a polypocket lined display book? Folded into quarters and stuffed into a letter envelope?
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 19 March, 2010, 11:11:00 AM
Hey PJ, as others have said - thanks for taking the time to do this!

Offhand do you or anyone else know what would be the best way for a writer to submit? Scripts only? Completed strips? Both?

As of right now, I'm putting together a portfolio with both, but I wonder if that's the right way to go about it.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: HOO-HAA on 19 March, 2010, 11:16:25 AM
This is interesting as I'm taking part in this year's Pitch Black event at the World Horror Convention.

Enlighten me, PJ! :)
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: Emperor on 19 March, 2010, 04:41:18 PM
What do you feel the optimum number of pages for a portfolio is? I know the temptation would be to jam as much as possible in to put your best foot forward but the editor has a finite amount of time and turning up with 50 pages is probably extracting the urine.

Would you recommend having a whole 5 page sample from a script or lead with your best page and possibly show pencils, inks and colours? Or go for as varied a mix as possible?

Would you recommend take a lot of samples with them but pick from those to build a specific portfolio aimed at the editor (2000 AD stuff for Tharg, Spidey and Hulk for Marvel, etc.)?

Is it worth just carrying a more general selection around so you can show it off to random passers by?

Picking up on locust's: who do writers make conventions work for them? Liquor and editor up at the bare and then pin them to the wall when free booze has impaired their mobility enough? Spike their drink with GHB and make them sign a contract or the donkey photos bet circulated? Or is it a longer process: get your work done and out there, use that as a springboard for informal chats with editors and work up from there?

Do you have any best/worst stories about conventions? Portfolio nightmare viewings? fan stalking? Feel free to do change names to protect the innocent. I'm really thinking of this:
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=27040

Any big dos and don'ts other than: wear deodorant and lots of it.

Sleeping with fans - good idea or great idea?

Crotchless Spider-Man outfit - yes or no?

Right I think that has exhausted my questions. For now.
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: mygrimmbrother on 19 March, 2010, 04:46:48 PM
I know that when I showed my (horribly cobbled together) portfolio at Birmingham last October, Tharg only really leafed back and forth between the first 4-5 pages.
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: Emperor on 19 March, 2010, 04:52:49 PM
Oh and would you recommend having a card 9or even a bookmark?) to hand out with further details on, so if they were possibly interested they could look up your other work?

What about printing off a few copies of a little sampled comic (bringing together your small press work and a few pin-ups perhaps?) to give to editors so they can nose through it at their leisure? Alex Ronald reckons the comic he made really helped.
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: uncle fester on 19 March, 2010, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: Emperor on 19 March, 2010, 04:41:18 PM
Do you have any best/worst stories about conventions? Portfolio nightmare viewings? fan stalking? Feel free to do change names to protect the innocent. I'm really thinking of this:
http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=27040

I love that. And I have nightmares of being one of the loons in it. Everyone submitting should have a copy printed out, in plain view, just in case... :)
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: pauljholden on 19 March, 2010, 07:44:02 PM
LAST CALL! LAST CALL!

I've a truckload of questions, ta' - so here's your last chance, before I post to the blog (my typing fingers are sore!)

-pj
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: pauljholden on 19 March, 2010, 08:57:43 PM
All questions answered in an overlong blog post. Hope you find it useful/interesting/distracting...

http://www.pauljholden.com/blog/2010/03/19/2000ad-submission-advice/

-pj
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: pauljholden on 19 March, 2010, 09:34:09 PM
Since my blog seems to have died on its arse, you can read it here: http://pjholden.posterous.com/2000ad-submission-advice
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: locustsofdeath! on 19 March, 2010, 09:53:03 PM
Fantastic, PJ - thanks a bunch! The segment with advice for writers is great and I'll take every word to heart.
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 19 March, 2010, 10:29:32 PM
Thanks for that, PJ. As a writer, I too thank you for those gems of wisdom. I too will show my work to anyone who asks... PJ, have a look a this... PJ? Where'd he go?
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: Emperor on 19 March, 2010, 11:21:16 PM
That's excellent thanks.

I like the bit about writers ending up publicising artists too - you sneaky, sneaky lot.
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: Cthulouis on 20 March, 2010, 10:25:32 AM
Thanks PJ, really useful.
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: chris_askham on 20 March, 2010, 12:15:34 PM
Great advice PJ. Cheers.
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: uncle fester on 20 March, 2010, 01:59:09 PM
Thanks for answering everything so thoroughly PJ, really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: Jase on 20 March, 2010, 02:19:15 PM
Cheers PJ, great advice as always!!- anyone know, where's/ when are the next conventions that people can get a chance to show there work- specifically to the 2000ad crew?
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: Emperor on 21 March, 2010, 01:34:50 AM
OK here is a bit of a follow-up question (if you ever want to do this again):

The small press is a good way to hone your skills and get your work seen - how important is it in preparing the ground for future submissions? I know you mention Al's mini comics in particular but is there a general feeling on this and is it better to get in anthologies or print you own comic?

Quote from: Jase on 20 March, 2010, 02:19:15 PM
Cheers PJ, great advice as always!!- anyone know, where's/ when are the next conventions that people can get a chance to show there work- specifically to the 2000ad crew?

Bristol I'd assume.
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: pauljholden on 21 March, 2010, 10:55:46 AM
I think writers should be writing and artists should be ... arting? Anyhue, they need to create and get people to see it, and until someone is prepared to offer money to them to do that the small press is the only option they have. (Though I have met people who've written and drawn hundreds of pages of work which no-one has ever seen as they've never had it published by anyone).

In other words: writing and drawing are great ways to improve your ability to write and draw. Small press is a great way of making friends and potential future colleagues (that's where Gordon and I first worked together - should stress, he was already a pro LONG before then) and a pretty satisfying way to acheive closure on work - without getting it printed it's pretty easy to sit on a six page story for years...

-pj
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 21 March, 2010, 11:12:45 AM
Quote from: pauljholden on 21 March, 2010, 10:55:46 AM
Small press is a great way of making friends and potential future colleagues (that's where Gordon and I first worked together - should stress, he was already a pro LONG before then)

You mean --gasp!-- Hugh Janus was really Gordon Rennie?!

FWIW, PJ, I think everyone who saw Tallyman knew it had "pro of the future" written all over it. It's nice to know that talent will out, even if it sometimes takes a while!

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: Gibson Quarter on 21 March, 2010, 07:21:31 PM
Cheers PJ! Thanks for this.
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: Emperor on 10 October, 2010, 05:30:56 PM
Thought I might as well bump this because BICS is looming. I suppose if anyone wants any extra advice they can feel free to use this thread.

While looking for this I also found an earlier thread with thoughts from Rufus:

http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,24058.0.html

I also found this during my searching:

http://www.pauljholden.com/wordpress/?p=1641
Title: Re: Convention Season Submitting Advice
Post by: El Chivo on 10 October, 2010, 07:32:19 PM
Cheers PJ