Andrew Lincoln is Rick Grimes
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is
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http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=27521 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=27521)
Frank Darabont's zombie TV series The Walking Dead getting picked up as a series by US cable channel AMC. Back then, there was speculation that Johnny Lee Miller would nab the lead. But now AMC has announced that Andrew Lincoln has instead won the role.
Coming Soon grabbed the press release announcing the former star of Teachers, This Life and Enduring Love as the main man in the adaptation of Robert Kirkman's zomb-apocalyptic graphic novel series.
Lincoln will play Rick Grimes, a small-town police officer who must help a group of survivors to find safe haven in a world overrun with shambling, brain-craving zomboids. Already aboard is Jon Bernthal, who will co-star as his fellow officer, Shane.
"Andrew is an incredibly gifted actor. He has the presence and attitude to bring this character and story to life. We are thrilled that he is joining the cast," gushes AMC's Joel Stillerman, presumably without adding, "and we saw him kill a zombie once – it was amazing!"
In other good news about the series, Darabont will be joined on the show's behind-the-scenes creative staff by writer/producer Jack LoGiudice, who has worked on the superb Sons Of Anarchy, which can only be A Good Thing.
It'll film this summer and invade US telly in October, with hopefully little delay before it makes it over here.
You can't make a zomblette without breaking Egg.
Oh, stop it Noel Coward, I've no ribs left!
M
An interesting choice for the part of Rick... I would have thought an actor more given to darker roles would have been more appropriate. However, as the late Heath Ledger demonstrated, with his take on The Joker, you can be pleasantly surprised in such matters...
As I bloody hated that 'this life' programme this is a disaster.
Is this now set in the UK or will he be putting on a 'convincing' accent?
I've gone from very much looking forward to this to not looking forward to it at all.
Balls and pish!
QuoteLincoln will play Rick Grimes, a small-town police officer who must help a group of survivors to find safe haven in a world overrun with shambling, brain-craving zomboids.
[pedant mode]These are the Romero type zombies. Not the
Return of the Living Dead type zombies. [/pedant mode]
I have reservations about the Lincoln too. He doesn't really look the part, and I've seen him in very different roles... but if he's a good actor he might pull it off. And visual likeness doesn't matter that much I suppose.
here the link of first picture and new featurette,
http://www.screened.com/news/first-picture-and-new-featurette-for-the-walking-dead-shuffles-along/191/ (http://www.screened.com/news/first-picture-and-new-featurette-for-the-walking-dead-shuffles-along/191/)
looks good!
here the first photo of Rick Grimes!
(http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/photosizer/upload/walkingdeadgrimes061510.jpg)
I am ridiculously excited about this show.
Sweet!
starting with only Six episodes for the first season, unusual for a US show they usually go with 13 to 23 episodes per season but looking at other AMC output (Breaking Bad = very good, like a hard core version of Weeds) they tend to run on low episode counts so must be an AMC thing, maybe helps keep the quality up. Cant wait for this one of my favs.
CU Radbacker
Quote from: Radbacker on 17 June, 2010, 08:01:58 AM
starting with only Six episodes for the first season, unusual for a US show they usually go with 13 to 23 episodes per season but looking at other AMC output (Breaking Bad = very good, like a hard core version of Weeds) they tend to run on low episode counts so must be an AMC thing, maybe helps keep the quality up. Cant wait for this one of my favs.
CU Radbacker
It could be good for budget? could cover first two books?
More pics here...
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45461 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45461)
A new photo of Rick
(http://www.aintitcool.com/images2009/WDexclusive1b.jpg)
Is it just me or does Andrew Lincoln actually... look the part in that pic?! There's at least the hint of Rick about him...
Got to say, I'm really excited about this. I seem to remember a few years back there being discussions with Romero to bring his 'Dead' series to TV but it went nowhere. Well, this is the next best thing - or better, if the last couple of 'Dead' films are anything to go off of. Can't wait!
Walking Dead - first promo poster!
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Kinda hope they don't just regurgitate storylines from the comic.
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 13 July, 2010, 11:49:14 AM
Kinda hope they don't just regurgitate storylines from the comic.
Isn't that the kinda point of an adaptation?
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 13 July, 2010, 02:21:22 PM
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 13 July, 2010, 11:49:14 AM
Kinda hope they don't just regurgitate storylines from the comic.
Isn't that the kinda point of an adaptation?
Yeah, I'm okay with them doing that - as long as they do it well. From talking to folks who read the True Blood novels, it seems that the norm is for the TV adaptation to *kinda* follow the books but waver whenever the mood takes the director/ producer/ scriptwriter etc.
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Quote from: radiator on 15 July, 2010, 04:30:48 PM
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damn, that is good casting, and very likeable...
october cant come quick enough, hope this does the bussiness and we get a full continuing adaptation of possibly the best Zombie story ever told (well the one I always wanted to see anyway).
That cast looks pretty spot onm, and the chick they've got for Andrea...yum.
CU Radbacker
Quote from: radiator on 15 July, 2010, 04:30:48 PM
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Who's the girl at the front? And that guy with the shotgun?
Quote from: HOO-HAA on 16 July, 2010, 11:18:51 AM
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In order of from left to right,
Carol (Mother with a girl, she was acting before in The Mist, as the woman who leaving the store to get kids)
Shane (Rick's best friend and Cop.)
Glenn (Pizza man)
Lori (Dark hair, Rick's wife)
Carl (Rick and Lori's son)
Rick
Dale (Old man, he in all of Frank Darabont's films, he produced the Walking Dead)
and Andrea.
Its Shane with the Shotgun (Ricks best friend) and If it the blond next to Dale your refering to I'm pretty sure that's Andrea. The other blond is her sister but cant remember her name been a while since i read the first couple of bboks.
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That pic looks awesome.
While I tend to object to comics and books I actually care about being filmed, that picture does indeed look awesome. It's going to have to be hard-hitting stuff to catch the feel of the comic, even in the first few episodes, never mind what comes later.
Yep, happy with the look of that.
Quote from: Radbacker on 16 July, 2010, 11:31:20 AM
Its Shane with the Shotgun (Ricks best friend) and If it the blond next to Dale your refering to I'm pretty sure that's Andrea. The other blond is her sister but cant remember her name been a while since i read the first couple of bboks.
CU Radbacker
Not sure if it was Andrea's sister? Weren't the two girls and Dale all loved up in his camper van at one stage? I think it might be the nurse from the Mayor's crowd, perhaps fast-forwarded to the beginning of the TV series' story. Shane's an odd choice for a lead character...
Quote from: HOO-HAA on 16 July, 2010, 06:32:58 PM
Shane's an odd choice for a lead character...
Not really - remember that [spoiler]Rick is separated from the group for the whole of the first arc, and we think Shane is a good guy and not a psycho rapist. [/spoiler]
Yeah, I didn't realise that part of the comic's story lasted so long ... I suppose it could make an interesting first season arc.
This is going to be the Next Big Thing, isn't it? Like next year's True Blood...
I wonder...I wonder how I'll like the first arc. To be honest, the only thing that makes these characters interesting at the start is what they become later. I read the first volume (I've read The Walking Dead through the first five HC collections, finishing volume five last night) and felt everything about the characters was...I don't know, silly maybe...but found myself caring for them as they went through their transformations - or regressions. Now that I've started rereading the series from the start, I like them more - but of course, if it's true to the comics, the series will start with the same bland characters that almost put me off the book in the first place! Hopefully the screenwriters are a bit more skilled with characterization and dialogue than Kirkman (I have to say, second time reading, there is some really atrocious dialogue). That said, I look sooooo forward to this!
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 16 July, 2010, 09:27:21 PM
Hopefully the screenwriters are a bit more skilled with characterization and dialogue than Kirkman (I have to say, second time reading, there is some really atrocious dialogue).
In an odd way that's what I've found so appealing about The Walking Dead. In many ways it is a cackhanded mess, with stock characters, dire dialogue, truncated stories and shoddy contrivances - but then so is real life. Kirkman and Adlard just keep plugging on, abusing their cast in the most horrible ways imaginable, even as the cast do the same to each other, and somehow that makes more sense than the neat clockwork of an Alan Moore story, the compressed twistiness of a Morrison or the heart-warming bromances of an Ennis. It's all too easy to imagine that
this is what it would be like, chaotic and cliched at the same time. As Spock might say, it's very
human.
I've always bought into the characters and their humanity - it's refreshing to read a zombie story with such ordinary people at its heart. Even its square-jawed hero, Rick, is a complete mess. Great stuff.
The only time I lost love for this story was the post-prison scenes on the road; they felt dreadfully contrived.
Quote from: HOO-HAA on 16 July, 2010, 11:12:53 PM
The only time I lost love for this story was the post-prison scenes on the road; they felt dreadfully contrived.
Do you mean the 'telephone' stuff, or the 'off to see the boys in DC' stuff?
Quote from: TordelBack on 16 July, 2010, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: HOO-HAA on 16 July, 2010, 11:12:53 PM
The only time I lost love for this story was the post-prison scenes on the road; they felt dreadfully contrived.
Do you mean the 'telephone' stuff, or the 'off to see the boys in DC' stuff?
Oh dont worry, next issue looks very interesting...
Quote from: TordelBack on 16 July, 2010, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: HOO-HAA on 16 July, 2010, 11:12:53 PM
The only time I lost love for this story was the post-prison scenes on the road; they felt dreadfully contrived.
Do you mean the 'telephone' stuff, or the 'off to see the boys in DC' stuff?
It was around the time of both yet neither bothered me that much, in their own right. [spoiler]Mostly it was the post-prison survivors' diaspora - and then, miraculously, everyone seemed to just meet up again on the road. As a reader, I found it both clumsy and lazy writing, to be honest. It pulled me out of the story and made the characters suddenly cardboard, to the point where I was very close to ditching the comic (it's one of the few I still get as single issues). Thankfully, with the Hunters storyline things recovered and we were back in business. [/spoiler]
Quote from: TordelBack on 16 July, 2010, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 16 July, 2010, 09:27:21 PM
Hopefully the screenwriters are a bit more skilled with characterization and dialogue than Kirkman (I have to say, second time reading, there is some really atrocious dialogue).
In an odd way that's what I've found so appealing about The Walking Dead. In many ways it is a cackhanded mess, with stock characters, dire dialogue, truncated stories and shoddy contrivances - but then so is real life. Kirkman and Adlard just keep plugging on, abusing their cast in the most horrible ways imaginable, even as the cast do the same to each other, and somehow that makes more sense than the neat clockwork of an Alan Moore story, the compressed twistiness of a Morrison or the heart-warming bromances of an Ennis. It's all too easy to imagine that this is what it would be like, chaotic and cliched at the same time. As Spock might say, it's very human.
I don't want to sound like I'm not digging the Walking Dead at all - because I am, immensely. It's great escapism, real zombie fanboy wet dream stuff...
Here are my complaints with the writing (bear in mind, all of the following induces eye-roll reactions rather than 'this is shite' reactions - I mean c'mon, I have a huge Italian zombie film collection, I eat this stuff up like our living dead friends munch flesh):
Repetitiveness: For example, during the siege of the prison, the Governor replies in response to a query about the tank: "we can't fire it, so-n-so barely learned how to drive it, it's just for show" and not two pages later Machinonne says: "they can't fire that, it's just for show". This happens quite often throughout the series.
Over-expostion: This killed me during my reread: 1) a character will describe what needs to be done, we'll see the action and then the characters will talk about what they've just done or 2) characters, especially when they are first introduced, reel off huge chunks of monologue in supposed bouts of "character-building". This makes me feel that Kirkman just doesn't quite trust his audience to fill in any gaps in the story, that he sort of forces characterization (we often get an information overload about a character and then he/she sort of fades to the background for awhile) - or maybe Kirkman is in love with his own words. In any case, a very smart scriptwriter can tell three stories within a strip by using dialogue, captions and pictures and, while I'm not saying Kirkman can't do that, he just doesn't.
Sounds juvenile at times: Carol and Tyreese, both adults, "break up" (not "split" or "move on"), Rick tells Lori they "broke up", the children's dialogue has a forced innocence to it, and so does much of the "love" stuff. To me it sounds as if a 13-year-old wrote sections of the script.
Anyway, I'm not trashing the comics - I really like them - and heck, I'm buying them. I just thought I'd clarify what I meant by atrocious dialogue. I am looking forward to the series just like I look forward to reading the comics!
I'll second all of that Locust. I'm working my way throught the TPBs (just received and read volume 8 this morning - Made to Suffer indeed!), and although I'm completely hooked, you're bang on about the dialogue and exposition. Like someone else said on this thread earlier, I trust Darabont and his crew will give the dialogue a helluva polish, and deliver a landmark piece of television. Here's hoping anyway.
I very much agree, Locust, but I would go further than that. I think the comics are immensely overrated. They're OK - readable fluff, but I really don't understand all the praise and I got bored around volume 4 and stopped reading it.
Fans will always bang on about the fact that the zombie/horror aspect of the comic is secondary to the relationships and characters, but I found the writing and dialogue to be very wooden and unnatural in places (the relationship stuff is especially cringey), the plot to be quite simplistic and the overuse of predictable 'shock' moments gets tired quickly.
I also find that TWD (by its nature) is a bit plodding and meandering - it doesn't really seem to be going anywhere.
I expect the TV show will have higher quality control, and I'll definitely give it a go - it seems to be in safe hands.
Last night I just got bored with seeing every new character vomit a page's worth of dialogue balloons. Glad I'm not alone in this :D.
Nice footage from Bloody-disgusting.com.
Rick and his horse!! Poor horse...
20 years of Zombie TV, niceee...!
http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/20946 (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/20946)
There's a comment on the BD page below the video that sums up my feelings precisely:
"PANTS MEET SPLOODGE!"
SBT
here the bootleg Trailer of The Walking Dead at Comic Con 2010...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBiI6YRfWIY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBiI6YRfWIY)
fraken A thats awsome, this show is gonna kill. Apparently they're going to release this with a B&W option when it hit DVD, at least for the pilot, good idea The Mist plays exeptionaly well in B&W.
CU Radbacker
Holy shit, I'd never have believed it.
Quote from: Radbacker on 24 July, 2010, 03:02:28 PM
fraken A thats awsome, this show is gonna kill. Apparently they're going to release this with a B&W option when it hit DVD, at least for the pilot.
That's incredibly cool. The atmosphere of the original b&w Night of the Living Dead is incredible - this is going to be an amazing show. I've been waiting for a zombie show since way back when, when there were rumors floating around that Romero was going to produce one set in his film-world.
Wow... :o
THAT is how you do it. Looks awesome.
To be shown on FX in the UK, says a quick google.
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 24 July, 2010, 07:48:46 PM
To be shown on FX in the UK, says a quick google.
Are we getting it "on time" over here, or at the same time as the States? ...if we're getting it later, I'll have my mom record it for me and send it over - and anyone in the area is welcome to come over and watch!
Most impressive, can't wait for this to hit our screens.
How's this for arsom: Romero to direct at least two Walking Dead episodes in season 2!!!
http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/21021
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 25 July, 2010, 12:24:48 AM
How's this for arsom: Romero to direct at least two Walking Dead episodes in season 2!!!
http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/21021
Jaysus H... :o
When do I wake up?
yeah i think Darbont wants to get horror legends directing lots of episodes, Bear McCreary (BSG) on music. This is goignt o be the greatest series ever.
My poor heartsess.
CU Radbacker
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 24 July, 2010, 07:48:46 PM
To be shown on FX in the UK, says a quick google.
I knew that would happen after I got rid of Sky. I'll be waiting for the DVD's then.
I've collected the books up until around Vol 9 or so, and really enjoyed them, and this really does look the aceness.
CAN'T WAIT!
Er, when's it on in the UK again?
After watching the trailer the other night I had a fairly quick read through of the first 30 issues. The show looks great, but I'm always a bit worried about getting caught up too much with the evil 'HYPE'
Quote from: brendan1 on 27 July, 2010, 10:52:01 AM
Er, when's it on in the UK again?
I'm not sure if a date's been set as yet. I would imagine it will be some time after the US airing.
I too am wary of getting caught up in 'the hype', especially when I read this:
Quote from: Radbacker on 25 July, 2010, 03:09:40 AMBear McCreary (BSG) on music.
Every silver lining must have a cloud, such is the way of things.
I suppose it'll have lots of that annoying shakycam, too. If you want to look for things that'll put you off, you shall find them, but in the long run optimism serves you better.
With every new issue of the comic, I look forward to the tv show more & more. Bloody hurry up!
Quote from: Judge Olde on 16 August, 2010, 04:46:07 PM
With every new issue of the comic, I look forward to the tv show more & more. Bloody hurry up!
4 minutes of footage has been released and it isn't going to help with the wait, as I know I want to watch it
now:
www.bleedingcool.com/2010/08/24/full-four-minute-sizzle-reel-for-the-walking-dead/
Quote from: Professah Byah on 31 July, 2010, 01:15:41 PM
I too am wary of getting caught up in 'the hype', especially when I read this:
Quote from: Radbacker on 25 July, 2010, 03:09:40 AMBear McCreary (BSG) on music.
Every silver lining must have a cloud, such is the way of things.
I suppose it'll have lots of that annoying shakycam, too. If you want to look for things that'll put you off, you shall find them, but in the long run optimism serves you better.
Is McCreary generally unliked? I actually thought the BSG music was fantastic, and one of its stand-out features.
I liked the BSG music. There's a beautiful piece at the end of Season1 i think that I could listen to all day.
But i like andrew lincoln as well.
But not capitals.
Here the trailer, it out on 31st Oct!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319knAYrTRE&feature=search (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319knAYrTRE&feature=search)
Quote from: Goaty on 25 August, 2010, 01:35:04 PM
Here the trailer, it out on 31st Oct!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319knAYrTRE&feature=search (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319knAYrTRE&feature=search)
Smashing! Looks much better all cleaned up.
When does it hit UK tv?
certainly got chills down my spine seeing Morgan and Duane in the flesh but, even if it's brilliant, I doubt it'll be as amazing as the comic.
Wondered if they should have shot it in b/w, although it's being speculated that a b/w version may feature as, (an eventual,) dvd extra
wow...no way the wife will watch this with me though!
I thought I had exceeded zombie saturation level - but this does look good.
I'll wait for the DVD box set, though.
Quote from: zombemybabynow on 25 August, 2010, 02:31:46 PM
certainly got chills down my spine seeing Morgan and Duane in the flesh
Yeah, that was a bit disturbing, especially knowing what we... know... I've said too much.
Quote from: Aaron A Aardvark on 25 August, 2010, 03:16:30 PM
I'll wait for the DVD box set, though.
That Aardvarkian for "I'll torrent the stomm out of it every single week"?
Yes. Hush now TB, your jaw needs degreasing.
Which came first then 28 days or The Walking Dead?
QuoteWhich came first then 28 days or The Walking Dead?
28 came out nov. 2002 and was therefore written before.
wd started 2003.
I've read interviews with kirkman who said that the similarity of the beginning [spoiler]hospital bed scene[/spoiler] was just a coincidence.
Yup - looking good that is. I'm only up to book 8 at the moment, but others are on the way.
M.
Quote from: zombemybabynow on 25 August, 2010, 04:15:31 PM
QuoteWhich came first then 28 days or The Walking Dead?
28 came out nov. 2002 and was therefore written before.
wd started 2003.
I've read interviews with kirkman who said that the similarity of the beginning [spoiler]hospital bed scene[/spoiler] was just a coincidence.
I think it's more that fact that both Kirkman and Garland have read Day of the Triffids, which has the same beginning as both of them.
I'm looking forward to this. I really haven't had anything on tv to keep up with I a long time.
Does the one Zombie in the city that seemed to be focused on a bit more than the others have any relevance to the comics? Been a long time sinc I read them. He seemed 'tidier' than the other dead...
Now that's how you make a trailer!
Looking good. :thumbsup:
Nice to see a lot of UK actors getting a look in again too.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 25 August, 2010, 04:20:35 PM
Quote from: zombemybabynow on 25 August, 2010, 04:15:31 PM
QuoteWhich came first then 28 days or The Walking Dead?
28 came out nov. 2002 and was therefore written before.
wd started 2003.
I've read interviews with kirkman who said that the similarity of the beginning [spoiler]hospital bed scene[/spoiler] was just a coincidence.
I think it's more that fact that both Kirkman and Garland have read Day of the Triffids, which has the same beginning as both of them.
According to Danny Boyle:
QuoteWyndham had first established himself as a master of strange English science fiction with The Day of the Triffids, famously filmed by Steve Sekely in and around a number of memorable London locations including Charing Cross and Marylebone stations, Piccadilly Circus, and Westminster Bridge.
According to Boyle, it was the opening sequence of The Day of the Triffids, in which a man wakes up in hospital to discover that a meteor shower has blinded his fellow countrymen, which first inspired Alex Garland to write 28 Days Later.
www.guardian.co.uk/film/2007/may/06/features.review
As best I understand the 28DL/TWD timelines:
28DL came out in November 2002 but didn't get released in the US until June 2003 (although it appeared at a couple of American film festivals from January 2003).
Kirkman had pitched TWD to Image in 2002 and was ready to roll in Spring 2003 but was put back to Summer/Autumn (although I haven't found any decent sources on that) - cover date was October 2003, so it was out on the shelves in August.
Sooooo I'd have to say I can't see there being much influence from 28DL on TWD, although I can imagine there was a round of frantic phonecalls when Kirkman saw the film but it was probably too late to redo the start from scratch.
Clearly DotT was a big influence on 28DL but Kirkman has really only named zombie movies as his inspiration for the series so it is unclear if the beginning of TWD is a DotT homage - no one seems to have asked him, despite the fact that when the trailer emerged an awful lot of people want "OMG 28 Days Later theft!" We'll see if anyone does ask him - is he on Twitter?
Ah. A synchronizing of two writers who, in their own developments were inspired by a well known but lesser publicised and, more subtly used catalyst that begins each protagonists overture.
I know that Kirkman did address this in the letters page of TWD, but I can't recall whether he cited DotT or just put it down to coincidence. Whatever about not knowing the book, or the outstanding BBC radioplay and TV series, the 1960's Howard Keel movie also starts the same way, so it's pretty well established opener.
Good News, The Walking Dead Season 2 is on!
And guess what? Season 2 will be like Volume 2 of The Walking Dead. But they want to introduce early of the deadly dangerous person ever than the zombies; Michonne.
Empireonline; http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=28804 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=28804)
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheDealio/news/?a=22091 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheDealio/news/?a=22091)
Fantastic news. This project can do no wrong it seems (touch wood).
It's coming to telly this Autumn in the UK (just saw the trailer) and it's going to be on
FX
which also has it's sister station
FX HD
I can't wait :D
EDIT: Just checked the official site, November :'(
Unfortunately I don't get FX for free with my Virgin package. (Actually it is free at the moment but only for a limited period.)
looking frickin good! can't wait!
wod,my wife will no doubt not be watching either still,her loss.
Little promo ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1vLX8Oy6Ho&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1vLX8Oy6Ho&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
MUST SEE TV!
wow, that looks great, any postive reviews out yet, towards overall standard.
cool!!! guess the axe got bit biggest than one in Comic?
(http://thewalkingdeadpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Walking-Dead-Rue-Morgue-3.jpg)
I don't have FX, I've got free view, anyone know when it will be on there? I guess it'll be on DVD before free view.
New poster
(http://www.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/walking_dead_one_sheet_poster.jpg)
BLOODY HELL
thats a must own based on the poster alone.
pre order from Itunes me thinks.
Quote from: Devons Daddy on 27 September, 2010, 02:29:25 PM
BLOODY HELL
thats a must own based on the poster alone.
Hell, yeah...
The Comicon promo in (a bit) higher quality: http://stagevu.com/video/cdxmywiyqfpz
Saw an ad for this that gave a date of November 5 for it to start. :)
The Walking Dead (2010) - TV Spot #06: "Apocalypse soon"
That why the Tank is a big mistake!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bksblNndixc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bksblNndixc)
That is the guy from the Channel 4 series Teachers isnt it ?
yup,he's a good egg.
october 31st HALLOWEEN :o
for anyone with a PC and access to the web only ::)
i tell you those damn PTP websites like VUZE, Or ISO HUNT have a lot to answer for! tut tut tut.
he was in LOVE ACTAULLY,
slightly differnt role here though, they missed the whole zombie angle in that otherwise pretty good movie.
As well as the trailers, they showed a couple of longer extracts from this at BICS - it's looking pretty good, but it's weird hearing an American accent coming out of Andrew Lincoln's mouth. Charlie Adlard guests as a zombie in some of those city scenes - he said it didn't take much acting to be zombie-like, as everyone was dying in the heat and humidity of Atlanta in summertime.
Unfortunately, I don't get FX TV, so will have to wait ages (or illegally download) to see this.
Quote from: Devons Daddy on 18 October, 2010, 03:03:29 PM
he was in LOVE ACTAULLY,
slightly differnt role here though, they missed the whole zombie angle in that otherwise pretty good movie.
oh i dont know, i was pretty zombied out after watching it.
ummm, a friend of mine told me the Pilot has leaked on one of those horrible bad torrent sites. He informs me it is absolutly ace and while the first half hour is a bit slow its gets really good quick. A few additions from the comic are pretty good, the black guy and his son he meets in the first comic have quite expanded parts that look like they might carry through the first season.
Could be the best new series of decade.
CU Radbacker
Ooh, that's excellent news, 'backer. Got to say as much as I'm tempted to head to the torrent sites I'll wait to see it in HD on the telly; as excited as I am, I'd rather wait the extra 10 days and get the full experience.
New collecteds are out now, btw! Big month for WD!
I'm sure the makers are gutted that this has happened - who on Earth would want great word of mouth buzz prior to the show premiering? I'm sure they're scratching their heads trying to figure out how it got leaked...
The thing about preair pilots, though (and the preair is what's what's doing the rounds on torrents), is that often they have scenes missing that only appear in the transmitted version, or some scenes are reshot, recut, soundtracks can change, and even parts recast, so it's still worth checking out the proper premiere just in case.
The Walking Dead pilot is really good. The slow pace works better in television form, as does the big chunks of dialogue that often made the comic look like a typewriter had vomited on a page, but with the moving image format a lot of the comic's omnipresent verbal diarrhea is both unnecessary and thankfully absent - actors do the work with body language that previously would have necessitated a couple of thousand words. The zombies are good, and there's a great "holy fuck" moment in Atlanta where Egg Rick is chasing a helicopter, turns a corner, and then you see that while the walkers don't run like in 28 Days Later, they sure can shift when they're onto something. It's wonderfully bleak and atmospheric in a way I don't think came across too well in the comic, too.
It's easily one of the highlights of the current season of new shows, and gives a lot of credence to those saying HBO is slowly being usurped as the home of must-see new television.
DD - global premiere is now 5th November at 10.00pm, not 31st.
Quote from: LARF on 21 October, 2010, 03:34:03 PM
DD - global premiere is now 5th November at 10.00pm, not 31st.
I heard that it was the 31st in the states and the 5th for everywhere else.
Confusingly, the latest Sky mag lists it as both the 4th and 5th ::).
I've now watched e1. I'm a long time fan of the comic & other than one small niggle, it's amazing. e1 was about 1.07 long
itunes US, now lists it as a special on the 31st October,
Halloween is big in the states,
i think its making off, documentary type of thing. rather then the episode, with a 15 minute first look to get us all hooked.
as if we are not all baying for it to arrive NOW NOW NOW! :D
when it arrives, i am sure we shall be awash with virtual rose petals to the creators around here.
It really is damn fine telly
I can't say I've seen it myself as it doesn't air until October 31st but the pre-air has found its way on to the torrent sites and the miscreants I know say it's a good un.
[spoiler]The main problem I heard isn't really one they can avoid - it's too familiar, with many scenes lifted intact from the comic like the torso zombie that Rick returns to to finish off at the end. The scenes with the horse were well done and the heaps of zombies in Atlanta were cracking. It looks like the Shane situation is being kept intact and there were no attempts at an explanation.
The black father and son were present and correct in the next door house and although Dad was a bit too earnest with every line their story was a welcome inclusion.
The first episode covered the first issue so there's mileage for years of this stuff.
Andrew Licoln did a great job and the rest of the cast and the production values mean this one's a keeper.[/spoiler]Can't wait to see it now!
Never read the comic but saw the first episode last night. Really enjoyed it.
The countdown continues... Do we have any US boarders? It'll be great to hear their thoughts.
My main concern was Lincoln as Rick Grimes but I've heard (from some naughty downloaders) that he's good. Lennie James I loved in Jericho and am delighted to see return to a similar role in TWD.
Must say, haven't been this excited about a TV series since Battlestar Galactica.
This is awesome.
I was naughty and downloaded it, the first time I've downloaded anything in years. I couldn't resist, especially as I don't have Sky anymore.
It was really good and I think I will have to keep downloading it now and then buy the DVD when it comes out. Some very gory zombie costumes for a TV show.
I'm here in England, but because my wife is in the US Air Force we get AFN at home which shows programming from the States.
Saw it last night.
It. Is. Arsom.
One thing that really stood out for me was how quiet some parts are. There are long stretches of this show (in the first episode anyway) with virtually no dialogue, like the opening scene, or the hospital. It's pretty ballsy for a tv show, and it works really well.
Quote from: the shutdown man on 01 November, 2010, 10:23:46 PM
One thing that really stood out for me was how quiet some parts are. There are long stretches of this show (in the first episode anyway) with virtually no dialogue, like the opening scene, or the hospital. It's pretty ballsy for a tv show, and it works really well.
That sounds like my cup of tea. The way you talk of it reminds me more of the likes of some of the French horror I've been recently seeing, like MUTANTS or MARTYRS or INSIDE, as opposed to a US TV series.
Very excited now :)
sky plus'd it. the wife's out friday so; lights off, pizza and brains
BLOODY HELL!!!!!!!!!!
that was incredible,
what a show. opening moments set the tone, closing moments make you pre-order the next episode. inbetween, FANTASTIC.
must see TV.
Just watched ep 1 --- fantastic stuff! Skyrockets in to number 1 on my must-see tv list! Great!
Really good. This series could be amazing
Hopefully one of the main channels will buy it like channel 4 did with True Blood. FX is more cash on my current cable service. (Virgin.)
brilliant...some nice touching moments such as[spoiler]the black man -did he have a name ?i forget it- tried to finish his wife and couldnt [/spoiler]
actually felt sorry for the zombie at the end and thought lincoln did an excellellent job as rick...gonna make the wife watch this...oh,poor horsey! ;)
Bloody brilliant first episode, been recommending it to everyone i know!
Quite possible the best zombies ever put to screen!
Me and the boy watched this last night and as Shutdown Man said, those loooooooong moments of near silence were excruciating! A very brave and effective way to go, that opening scene before the credits was similarly unorthodox and set the tone well.
The best thing about it? It's got my boy wanting to read the comics. Onwards and upwards!
Very impressive first episode with a superior ending.
Though American actors must be quite annoyed at the seeming British dominance of american TV roles.
The best bit for me was also the worst bit.
The Tank scene :thumbsup: ::) :-X
I watched this with Sam on Friday night as Carolyn was up London watching Oliver with her Mam. Looking forward to this Friday although we have Carolyn has visitors staying, so I might be disturbed >:(
Now awaiting the 'but you are already disturbed John' ;)
But you are already disturbed John!
There you go mate, and I'm sure Sam is too after watching that!
Naturally predisposed to liking this, given Darabont's quality, and the fact that I love the comics and zombies in general. But it was even better than I had hoped.
Superb television.
Masterpiece!
Did enjoy it, but really wish he found [spoiler]the small axe! [/spoiler]
was brilliant seeing 2d drawn characters come to life
the wife even watched ep. 1 with me! (& she's a huge scardy-pants!)
Quotehe wife even watched ep. 1 with me! (& she's a huge scardy-pants!)
Mine too but she shed a genuine tear [spoiler]when he couldn't shoot his zombie wife[/spoiler] and she loved it. better than that criminal minds nonsense she watches.
Watched episode 2 last night. Still chugging along nicely but this time deviated from the comics quite a lot - though not in a bad way I'm happy to say.
My only niggle was absolutely nothing to do with the show itself but the sheer amount of ad breaks during the programme It felt like there was a break every ten minutes and with such a tense show it's really jarring. I might start downloading it to avoid this...
Just seen the first episode and it was fantastic. It was however very familiar, having only started reading the comic this year. Would have loved to have seen it in black and white but you cant have everything.
With the success that it is having, hopefully this will get more people into the comic and have them consider more comics to be adapted in this way.
Quote from: Pete Wells on 14 November, 2010, 08:54:31 AMMy only niggle was absolutely nothing to do with the show itself but the sheer amount of ad breaks during the programme It felt like there was a break every ten minutes and with such a tense show it's really jarring. I might start downloading it to avoid this...
Sadly, as a regular viewer of Dexter and True Blood, I can say the number of ad breaks is about normal... however, I was genuinely amazed by the first episode which had none at all! It made a huge difference to the atmosphere.
Regards
Robin
Watched the first two now,really emjoying it !
Three and a half hours til i finally get to watch episodes one and two. My thrill circuits are in imminent danger of overload!
SBT
Quote from: Pete Wells on 14 November, 2010, 08:54:31 AM
My only niggle was absolutely nothing to do with the show itself but the sheer amount of ad breaks during the programme It felt like there was a break every ten minutes and with such a tense show it's really jarring. I might start downloading it to avoid this...
Me too! really takes you out of the whole story
I'll be taping it fromnow on and fast forwarding through the ads
I'm relaly enjoying it but every now and then I can't help thinking of Sean of The Dead...the scene whre they wre walking through the zombies...
Still, probably my favourite thing on telly in ages
another interesting note...mrs auxlen (even though i have spent many years extolling the adult-ness of comics) said 'I thought comics were all just about super heroes and stuff.' which proves that i was correct in that she just shuts of when i talk 'geek' to her.
Quote from: auxlen on 15 November, 2010, 04:38:44 PM
another interesting note...mrs auxlen (even though i have spent many years extolling the adult-ness of comics) said 'I thought comics were all just about super heroes and stuff.' which proves that i was correct in that she just shuts of when i talk 'geek' to her.
Comics and wives are odd things. Until one connects to them comics and comics talk are white noise to a non-geek wife. It was actually Walking Dead which made my wife SEE comics. Needless to say she is more than a little put out that we do not have cable at the the moment.
I forgot this was on. Curses.
V
S'on Sky Anytime, for those who have it.
Just watched part two and three and I am in no doubt that this is the best thing on television/my computer, at the moment. The deviation from the comic was much needed and made the show much more enjoyable, for me anyway.
Thought ep 3 was good, back to the standard of ep 1 :D
Watched Ep3 last night.
Cracking stuff yet again, and barely a zombie in sight.
I just got around to watching episode 2 and apart from some poor picture quality in the first ten minutes or so it was great.
This is the best thing on TV for years, I can't remember actually looking forward to something on the box as much as this since I was a kid.
I love the casting, I had some reservations about Andrew Lincoln but now I've seen him as rick I think he's spot on for the part.
Just finished watching part 4 and it was excellent. A bit slow at the start, which is not a bad thing but the ending, I loved it!
Can't believe the first run is nearly over...
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 24 November, 2010, 03:33:39 AM
Just finished watching part 4 and it was excellent. A bit slow at the start, which is not a bad thing but the ending, I loved it!
Can't believe the first run is nearly over...
Yeah, it was a [spoiler]bloodbath[/spoiler] wasn't it? Awesome stuff.
ep 4 really was superb. Some nice action and some nice character and pathos. Thought the transition from [spoiler]hardened gangsters to orderlies at an old people home[/spoiler] was a bit abrupt tho. Didn't sit quite right
Ep4?? Hang on, how are you guys one episode ahead? We're watching on FX - is there another channel showing the next episode in advance?
yes, the internets.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 24 November, 2010, 03:33:39 AM
Can't believe the first run is nearly over...
Really? How long is it, only six episodes?
First series is 6 eps, the second series will be 13 I believe
Quote from: James Stacey on 24 November, 2010, 10:45:55 AM
First series is 6 eps, the second series will be 13 I believe
Yeah thinking first Series is based on first book of The Walking Dead. and 2nd Series would be Book 2, on the road?
Cool, thanks both.
Episode 4: now that's The Walking Dead I remember. Outstanding, I genuinely can't believe [spoiler]that was actually broadcast, it made Deadwood look like the Zingzillas. Has to be one of the greatest episodes of any TV programme ever made[/spoiler]. Roll on a boxset and a big screen.
Yep, cant argue with anyone here, episode is fantastic. The slow build up really pays off at the end.
On a side note, woop woop, Trodel's back.
I've just watched three and four back to back- after being slightly dissappointed with the first and better inclined toward the second. But it's really hit its stride. Beautifully done character stuff in three, and four was probably the best forty-five minutes of television I've ever seen. Robert Kirkman wrote that.
That'll be the same Robert Kirkman who "overwrites" everything I guess. Hopefully people will stop whiny-ass bitching about the comics now.
;)
SBT
Interview with Charlie Adlard.
http://blogs.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/2010/08/charlie-adlard-interview.php
Very cool interview! I'm told Charlie's actually a really approachable guy. Would love to run into him at a con or something. His artwork on TWD rocks.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 25 November, 2010, 12:10:37 AM
I've just watched three and four back to back- after being slightly dissappointed with the first and better inclined toward the second. But it's really hit its stride. Beautifully done character stuff in three, and four was probably the best forty-five minutes of television I've ever seen. Robert Kirkman wrote that.
That'll be the same Robert Kirkman who "overwrites" everything I guess. Hopefully people will stop whiny-ass bitching about the comics now.
;)
SBT
Well, actors can't vomit dialogue balloons.
The difference here is that Kirkman now has an editor to keep him in check.
Locusts- in a very real sense, knickers to you
:p
;)
SBT
:D :D :D
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 29 November, 2010, 06:32:26 PM
Locusts- in a very real sense, knickers to you
:p
;)
SBT
:lol: :lol:
Episode 5: This show turns out to be very inconsistent - I thought Episode 5 was a complete mess, shockingly so after the triumph of Ep 4. [spoiler]One afternoon on the road facing the horrors of an easily repaired engine and Rick is reduced to shouty hysterical man, daft Omega Man lab scenes, no references to one-armed Merle... bah. [/spoiler] Wife liked it though.
Quote from: HOO-HAA on 29 November, 2010, 08:34:57 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 29 November, 2010, 06:32:26 PM
Locusts- in a very real sense, knickers to you
:p
;)
SBT
:lol: :lol:
Now I can't tell if you two will be ignoring me from here on out!
Who said that?
SBT
Walking Dead renewed for a second season, entire writing team on it to be replaced.
http://m.deadline.com/2010/11/the-walking-dead-lets-go-of-writers-considers-no-writing-staff-for-season-2/ (http://m.deadline.com/2010/11/the-walking-dead-lets-go-of-writers-considers-no-writing-staff-for-season-2/)
Interesting spin on the discussions here about the book, and SBT using the Kirkman-written episode of the series as proof that his dialogue in the comic isn't overwritten - Kirkman's episode was rewritten by Frank Darabont.
Wow! That Deadline Hollywood place has a nastier comments section than YouTube, AICN and The Daily Mail combined.
"Whenever [Frank Darabont's] name shows up on a features director list, my boss always tells me to cross it off, saying "There's a reason why no one will hire the guy.""
And that wouldn't be because he directed the film that's consistently No. 1 in just about every 'Best Film' poll? Whatever kind of a dick he may or may not be, he obviously knows his craft.
I guess the problem with Darabont as a director is he just wont do what the studios want him too. He will not compromise on his vision to grab demographics, which in my opinion what a good director should do.
I like most of his stuff (Shawshank as mentioned, and The Mist is a modern horror masterpiece even if it is rather depressing).
I've seen the pilot of this but am saving the whole series to watch once final episode broadcast.
VCU Radbacker
Quote from: HOO-HAA on 29 November, 2010, 10:50:33 AM
Very cool interview! I'm told Charlie's actually a really approachable guy. Would love to run into him at a con or something. His artwork on TWD rocks.
He's a really nice bloke... met him at the 2D festival in Derry last year, got a zombie sketch from him.
Top bloke.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 29 November, 2010, 01:07:08 PMThe difference here is that Kirkman now has an editor to keep him in check.
An editor who clearly didn't spot "He knew you needed to catch the fish and I needed to throw them back", a line that had me laughing for a full minute when I heard it.
SBT will be delighted to know that 4 was the weakest of the series so far for me, and had more than a few plot holes, like why all the zombies left Atlanta and went to that camp - a camp which is located on a hill surrounded by dense forest and everyone acts surprised when
they do not see zombies coming at night after they've lit a big fire on top of the hill that could be seen for miles what with zero light pollution from the huge city of animated corpses that looks like two whole miles away. The zombies appear, do the Walking Dead staple of killing a few of the backing cast and then they just suddenly stop so we can see some lengthy whining scenes and then everyone has to move onto the next location where the process repeats itself. At least that part's faithful to the comic...
The appearance of the CDC lab might be a tipping point, but the pilot was pretty great with the episodes since less so. Still a good watch, so I am surprised Darabont cleaned house for next season. That seems drastic when he could simply change the show runners and get much the same effect as a new writing team.
As to the Prof's alleged plotholes in Episode 4:
- These aren't the zombies from Atlanta. There are other dead people elsewhere.
- These ones were presumably drawn from the surrounding area by the noise of Glenn's car alarm, a point already established in previous episodes. In addition, the comic has the concept of 'roamers' and 'hordes', groups of zombies of various sizes that move around, as opposed to the more static ones we see sitting in cars or standing about etc. in Atlanta. I presume this will be made explicit later.
- They specifically mention building a wall around the fire so that it can't be seen from a distance, and this is the first night they've done so, hence the party atmosphere.
- The group is just plain dumb (Dale sits on his RV keeping watch all day, but they just turn their backs to the forest at night?), or more to the point complacent - they haven't been attacked by more than the odd solo zombie for a month or so, and they think their rural isolation is a defence. They don't expect the dead to travel far. As the Prof says, this pattern repeats itself in the comic, but I'm not sure that isn't one of the points Kirkman is making.
- As to only munching on the backing cast, that assumes a knowledge of who the main cast are - a newcomer might well have thought Amy to be a main character rather than or as well as her sister. Also, zombies kill very few characters outright in the comic - it's more usually other people, which again is one of Kirkman's points. I was surprised to note that 6 of the characters introduced thus far are still alive as of Issue 79 - I didn't think it would be anything like as many.
As noted, I thought Episode 4 was fantastic, fish dialogue aside. Episode 5 OTOH was incoherent rubbish.
Supposed plotholes dealt with- other than the obvious (how did the zoms find them? Did Merle lead them? What about the cans?- all to be dealt with later, i guess) i thought episode four was the single best piece of tv drama ive seen in years- each episode has been better than the last. And as for the 'fish' dialogue. Nothing 'wrong' with that whatsoever- AND goes some way to explaining both sisters relationship with Dale, in terms that a tv audience can better understand. If, that is, the tv version is even going to go in that direction...
Unbelievable spite levelled against Darabont across the net. But what so you expect from a bunch of nerds who think they can do better. I'll wait til Kirkman and Darabont comment upon developments themselves, thanks.
SBT
I didn't actually have that much of a problem with ep 5, although I'll concede the bunker thing probably focused my ambivalence in one area.
Quote from: TordelBack on 02 December, 2010, 02:34:37 PMThese aren't the zombies from Atlanta. There are other dead people elsewhere.
Yeah, I was sort of joking by combining two points - the sudden appearance of zombies in the camp and the absence of any huge crowds of zombies in Atlanta even after all that racket with the gang tearing about in a car. I may not be remembering, either, but did anyone ask the nursing home chaps about the helicopter Rick saw in episode 1?
Bearing in mind the fire is also
in a clearing on top of a hill, it's still going to be seen unless you build a really high wall around it as the light from the flames will illuminate the smoke for several feet into the air - though admittedly you might not notice this if you insist on staring into the flames and losing your night eyes when you should be on watch.
And everyone but Rick and family are supporting players, surely?
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 02 December, 2010, 03:07:12 PMAnd as for the 'fish' dialogue. Nothing 'wrong' with that whatsoever
If it had appeared in an episode of Home and Away I would have laughed at it. If it had appeared in an episode of Power Rangers I would have laughed at it, and
so would the Power Rangers and then they would make fun of the person who said it and something would explode.
Regarding the zombies going outside of the city, I think in episode 3 (2 maybe) it mentions that they are branching out of the city as food sources become more scarce.
Wasn't overly impressed with episode 5 and I don't have very high hopes for the next episode, but, I'm willing to be surprised.
I don't know where this sudden dislike of episode 5 is coming from, I thought it was well up to the standard of the series so far. [spoiler]Andrea waiting to say goodbye to her zombie-sister was very well done. [/spoiler]
And come on, it's a show about a zombie virus, a scientist in a bunker was gonna show up sometime.
For me the TV show has the same problem as the comics - too much yap and not enough action.
i'd say the dislike of ep5 is because it moves away from the comic so much - [spoiler] the sudden use of VT and the CDC plot are pretty jarring although he's clearly infected from the accident and it'll no doubt end in tears by the end of Ep06 to round out the mini-series. Roll on season 2 and the prison camp.[/spoiler] Also its quite a maudlin episode until the last 10 minutes.
Still rocks tho.
Just catch up Episodes 4 and 5, as visit Parents this weekend (they got Sky Plus!) wow, episode 4 is one of best I ever see!!! soo much excited and enjoyable as very same to the graphic comic... woohoo! really glad to see Rick get his hat back! (which kept to the comics as his son kept wear it....) Dont know, but I start to like that Daryl character, good choice of weapon (crossbow) and team-player as well...
Ep 5 was good, as kept good with Jim and Andrea... and more risk from Shane... and then unexpected changes of locations, is it good or wait and see..?
this show is really delivering for me.
up to episode 4 only as i have been busy,
keep it coming.
Any news of this appearing on regular telly (in the UK) at any point? I've scanned the thread but can't see owt. I'd love to see it but only have Freeview. Oh hum guess I'll have to wait for the DVD release.
Not content with stealing the opening premise from Danny Boyle's 28 Days Later, in Episode 5 I see they then go back and steal the soundtrack from Sunshine, another DB film.
That opening is from Day of the Trifids both must have been inspired!
David
Quote from: GordonR on 05 December, 2010, 10:44:30 PM
Not content with stealing the opening premise from Danny Boyle's 28 Days Later...
Troll! Scriptdroid, yes, but still a stirrer!
Episode 6 is everything bad that I originally feared for this series. It's like someone said "people like Lost, let's do some of that". Very disappointed.
[spoiler]Episode 6 does what the book never did, giving Rick's group information about the national and global situation and the zombie condition itself – in a sense making it into Science Fiction. This dull wodge of monologued exposition makes them both aware of what's going on beyond their small group, and at the same time makes them somehow special. And then there's stupid secret whispers, suicides, countdowns, Chekov's Grenade, super-silly 'splosions and Bob Dylan songs over closing montages. All that's missing is Billie Piper crying.
There's greatness in this series somewhere, as Episode 4 demonstrated, and I look forward to Season 2, but in losing the smallness and ignorance of the comic I hope it hasn't lost something vital. I'm not averse to the changes from the comic, I'm glad to see that Shane gets a bit longer to simmer for instance, but this seems to me like a significant change in tone. Also, it's taking a dubious risk spending so much time on the Merl sub-plot in Episodes 2-4 without resolving it before a year-long break.
And that's not even getting into the childish nitpicking:
-We're told in the morning that Amy died two days ago. So they were only on the road for 1 day. Why has no-one in the group eaten for days?
-Why can't Jenner use the group to scavenge for fuel for the generator instead of feeding them wine? And if he doesn't care about the generator because he's ready to die, why does he tell them not to plug in the games in the Rec Room?
-Jenner shoots his zombie wife while she's INSIDE THE MRI. That's a bad use of resources right there.
-Jenner's short on power, but uses a room-sized projector/screen for show-and-tell, as does the no-power decontam warning.
-How could the CDC not know whether the infection is viral, fungal, bacterial, parasitic etc? Maybe it's none of those, but surely they could at least be eliminated?
-Are those the dullest looking zombies we've seen yet?
-Merl's going to turn out to be the bloody Mayor, isn't he?
[/spoiler]
I enjoyed the axe skills on display :thumbsup:
Just watched ep 6. I guess that solves [spoiler]the mystery of the writing staff sackings.
As for the secret whispers, I think Jenner is telling Rick that her blood test shows his wife is pregnant even though Rick has only been back with her for a few days in show time. As far as Jenner shooting his wife in the MRI goes, most normal bullet slugs have no magnetic properties so they'd be safe to use in proximity to the machine, but we'll give the benefit of the doubt that they used a plastic gun or something. And aimed to miss the actual MRI scanner itself. Probably.
Jenner also promised he'd hold out 'as long as he could' so that could explain why he told the kids not to plug in the videogames, though not why he doesn't ask Rick and the others to scavenge for fuel. My personal theory is that he asked the kids not to plug in the videogames because they were from the last century - Mrs Pac Man?
Agree with not needing to know how or why zombies work because zombies that's why. Apart from anything else, once you start applying logic to something as inherently stupid as contemporary movie-style zombies it only asks more questions than it answers: do zombies get full up? If so, do their stomachs burst or does the flesh they consume run through them and come out the other end as bloody poo? If they're only a bundle of 'instincts' as Jenner claims, how can they walk since that's learned behavior? Why don't they eat each other? Why don't they 'instinctively' eat normal food? If they have no memories, how did that chap's wife in ep 1 know to turn a door handle on the home she had while she was alive?[/spoiler]
Still, the pilot was good and I did at least get a laugh out of the fish dialogue in ep4. That's got to count for something.
I liked it - [spoiler]sure some clunky dialogue but there's very very little on yank telly doesn't suffer fits of that. Think the comments are a bit harsh and zombie-analytical. Most of the questions about Jenner can be answered by saying its subjective or even deceptive - he's clearly resigned and depressed - there's no reason anything he says is true nor that he should act to survive. The whole thing about 'what's left out there' stuff could be dispelled in another encounter. A reveal that zombie-ism affects the brain is hardly a huge reveal. There were show and tell flaws - the trolly in the hospital never shows it's brakes being applied - bumpy zombies would have that shifted in a fait. And the whole time-frame thing was off as was noticed. If you had really not eaten in 2 days would you be slugging wine and southern comfort? But ya know - its just a tv show.. enjoy the ride rather than over analyse. I mean how many bullets can Dredd carry in that lawgiver anyway - right?
Its also not true to say the comic doesn't start to come up with the same 'knowledge' of the cause - when they start hacking off limbs its because they are working out what does / doesn't kill. You can't really keep a zombiethon going without addressing accumulated knowledge of the problem.[/spoiler]
Your right about the end music tho - but that's ubiquitous since Grays Anatomy - ep01 suffered it too. One day they'll wise up and stop thinking drawling emotional song lyrics signify anything.
All right...here be spoilers, spoilers here, yeah, yeah, yeah...
The problem that keeps this series mediocre is the lack of a foreboding atmosphere. I don't get a sense that the world is doomed, that death is (literally) creeping around every corner, that even unseen the dead are ever-present and can strike our protagonists at any moment...Using episode four, I'll give you a pair of examples that, had your humble Locust been writing the show, would have added an incredible amount of intensity and, nest of all, a feeling of DOOM.
1. The stand-off outside the Old Folks home: yeah, it was tense and all, a face-off between two bands, guns being brandished and bandied about, vatos eyeballing country hicks and vice versa. Would could make this scene better you ask?
Zombies.
Picture the same stand-off - only the zombies have noticed and begin to crowd a little ways away. Both groups notice them, but both groups know they can't redirect their weapons or the other group has the upper hand in that direct confrontation. The zombies move closer, both groups remain stubborn, continue to argue over the bag of guns/hostages. Zombies get closer. Everyone knows they have to make a choice fast or they're all lunch...tension right there, easy. Plus we can add zombies to a scene that is strangely zombie-less in a zombie-filled city in a zombie TV show.
2. As the leader of the Vatos takes Rick and the boys through the Old Folks' home, explaining the situation - explaining that they are under constant threat from the zombies...well, we have a zombie confrontation!!! We don't even have to show it if budget is an issue!!! Picture this: Rick and the Vato are speaking - we hear a commotion, shouts, zombie moans, gangsters rush past, gunfire - a zombie attack!!! Meanwhile, the Vato hardly even notices - showing us how used to this sort of thing he is - this happens all the time, zombie attacks in a city filled with zombies in a zombie show!!!
And that's how I would improve ONE SCENE in that ONE EPISODE. I could easily think of many ways to VASTLY improve this show just by adding tension. Darabont, hit me the fuck up and I'll get this thing into syndication.
i dont necessarily disagree with that locust but maybe they think constant zombie rah-rahing in the back would tire quickly?
Certainly if they get back on track with the books then there's a constant 'zombie at the gates' element.
Enjoyed it, looking forward to the next series.
Some of Tordel's criticisms make fair points, but I find myself not being much bothered by any flaws.
Regards
Robin
Looks like the series one DVD is due in March 2011 - I'll have to wait till then to see what you're all on about.
Quote from: BPP on 07 December, 2010, 11:33:16 PM
maybe they think constant zombie rah-rahing in the back would tire quickly?
:D
Maybe Jenner just didn't think they'd go for Resident Evil under the circumstances...
My point is that it's "unrealistic" to have a stand off in a city filled with zombies without a zombie in sight.
I don't see this show succeeding based on episode five - the general public isn't going to stick around for a "zombie show" if there are no zombies. Sure, we can say all we want that the show "isn't about zombies" but Joe Public isn't going to come home and plop on the couch to watch 42 minutes of daytime soaps and three minutes of zombies. The producers are going to have to find a medium, and that's why I made the suggestions.
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 05 December, 2010, 07:42:48 AM
Any news of this appearing on regular telly (in the UK) at any point? I've scanned the thread but can't see owt. I'd love to see it but only have Freeview. Oh hum guess I'll have to wait for the DVD release.
It's coming to Channel 5 in the spring so it sounds like the DVD will be out before it hits FTA TV.
channel 5? I expected something like virgin one (or channel one whatever you want to call it).
Quote from: Rog69 on 13 December, 2010, 02:34:32 PM
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 05 December, 2010, 07:42:48 AM
Any news of this appearing on regular telly (in the UK) at any point? I've scanned the thread but can't see owt. I'd love to see it but only have Freeview. Oh hum guess I'll have to wait for the DVD release.
It's coming to Channel 5 in the spring so it sounds like the DVD will be out before it hits FTA TV.
Well at least its getting a showing so I can wait for that. Thanks for the up date.
my sky plus only part records each episode! aaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Quote from: willthemightyW on 14 December, 2010, 12:22:33 PM
channel 5? I expected something like virgin one (or channel one whatever you want to call it).
It won't be called anything soon, Channel 1 and Bravo are for the chop by the end of January :(
I'm confused by the 'not enough zombies' criticism. Even with the examples given, those situations arose because the zombies were there as a constant threat eg. [spoiler]the whole confrontation with the 'vatos' never would have come to a head if they weren't trying to keep from attracting zombie attention on their gun run. Hell, there wouldn't even have been a desperation on either side to have said guns if zombies weren't breathing down their necks. That's already been established, so you don't need to see the zombies for them to be a valid motivation.[/spoiler]
I've always had the sense that zombie nastiness is always looming around the corner, which is way more effective than having it happen constantly. Take all the relatively tranquil campfire stuff, [spoiler]it might seems like things are too relaxed, and they are, which is exactly why when both the survivors and viewers have their guard down the camp gets overrun and turns into a bloodbath. That would never have been effective any other way.[/spoiler]
I'm actually surprised at how much zombie action there's been, it's only a telly show, and those scenes in Atlanta must have cost a fortune to put together. Walking Dead to me seems less about the zombies and more about the human drama, with the zombies being the constant catalyst for said dramatic situations. People may come for the zombies, but the real success of the show will be if they stay for the characters. So far I think it's doing a damn fine job.
Quote from: Rog69 on 13 December, 2010, 02:34:32 PM
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 05 December, 2010, 07:42:48 AM
Any news of this appearing on regular telly (in the UK) at any point? I've scanned the thread but can't see owt. I'd love to see it but only have Freeview. Oh hum guess I'll have to wait for the DVD release.
It's coming to Channel 5 in the spring so it sounds like the DVD will be out before it hits FTA TV.
excellent news. The DVD's due out in March (not sure if that's just region 1 or UK as well). but looks like I'll be able to save my cash and watch it on 5.
Quote from: Rog69 on 14 December, 2010, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: willthemightyW on 14 December, 2010, 12:22:33 PM
channel 5? I expected something like virgin one (or channel one whatever you want to call it).
It won't be called anything soon, Channel 1 and Bravo are for the chop by the end of January :(
Virgin 1 was created to compete with sky 1, but because the sky franchise bought said channel and various others of Virgin this was inevitable.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 15 December, 2010, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: Rog69 on 14 December, 2010, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: willthemightyW on 14 December, 2010, 12:22:33 PM
channel 5? I expected something like virgin one (or channel one whatever you want to call it).
It won't be called anything soon, Channel 1 and Bravo are for the chop by the end of January :(
Virgin 1 was created to compete with sky 1, but because the sky franchise bought said channel and various others of Virgin this was inevitable.
V
From what I understand there is a new sky channel on it's way to coincide with Bravo and channel 1 closing (Sky Atlantic) and the rest of the content that they want to keep is going to Living. Hopefully it will all still be available to FTA viewers.
Nothing matters!!!
Anything on TV=Cack!!!!!!
A very simple formula that has been in use since sometime in the early 90's
Can someone tell me what happened in the last episode. I missed it as I've recently started working nights.
If you have catch up TV on Virgin you may be able to access it through that.
Still got the last two episodes to watch.
V
It will be on Five (UK channel) soon...
as here;
http://www.channel5.com/shows/the-walking-dead/articles/the-walking-dead-coming-soon-to-channel-5 (http://www.channel5.com/shows/the-walking-dead/articles/the-walking-dead-coming-soon-to-channel-5)
excellent, will be able to watch it again! and the new 13 part series seems to have been confirmed.
10th April on Channel 5 according to the website :)
Starts tonight at 10!
Yep. Saw it for the first time. Liked it a lot.
[spoiler]I found the bit where he finishes off that half eaten zombie rather touching. She (I think it was a she) provided a scare earlier, then we see her again as this sad pathetic thing... it worked. "I'm sorry this happened to you." Boom.[/spoiler]
Nice to show zombies in another light rather than just a ravenous horde of monsters. Not the first time they've been portrayed that way (I remember a particular scene in Dawn of the Dead where one is peering at the woman through the shop window that had a sense of being very sad and pathetic) but this seemed poignant somehow.
Maybe I'm turning into a big softy in my old age. :)
First time for me too...really enjoyed it so looks like i'm gonna be hooked
Didn't realise that Egg from This Life was the main character though!! :lol:
Also...[spoiler]The zombie in the truck when he enters the city...they show another shot of him as Egg closes the top of the tank...is he some sort of zombie leader or was it coincidence?[/spoiler]
That was fantastic. Really enjoyed it.
They opened out the story in all of the right places and, though comic scenes were familiar to me, they made them just different enough to bring it to life (e.g. the bit where he goes looking for the legless zombie to finish her off - beautifully shot walk in idyllic daytime park culminating in the shooting rather than the "park car at night" from the comic).
Liked Duane and Morgan's extra time on screen as well especially the wife at the peephole.
Anyway, cracking stuff - that's my Sunday nights sorted for the next five weeks.*
Oh and reading back through the early bits of this thread, why, Commando Forces, was the tank "the best and the worst bit". I can see "best bit" but is the worst bit due to some military thing that 99% of us wouldn't notice?
* The only kicker for me is that our digital TV reception totally sucks. I'd started recording it on the digibox, realised it was jumping all over the place and therefore had to watch it on normal analogue. So I missed all of the Rick/Shane dialogue at the start. Thankfully, a lot was silent. So now I have to block out Sunday nights to watch broadcast telly. It's like being in the seventies again.
And goodness knows what I'm going to do when they switch off our analague signal in 3 weeks.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 11 April, 2011, 08:24:24 AMOh and reading back through the early bits of this thread, why, Commando Forces, was the tank "the best and the worst bit". I can see "best bit" but is the worst bit due to some military thing that 99% of us wouldn't notice?
There's so much wrong with the tank scene primarily how much room there is inside it.
From standing in the loaders side you can easily reach the gunner with a punch if they're screwing up and you definitely couldn't lay down.
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 11 April, 2011, 09:51:02 AM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 11 April, 2011, 08:24:24 AM
Oh and reading back through the early bits of this thread, why, Commando Forces, was the tank "the best and the worst bit". I can see "best bit" but is the worst bit due to some military thing that 99% of us wouldn't notice?
There's so much wrong with the tank scene primarily how much room there is inside it.
From standing in the loaders side you can easily reach the gunner with a punch if they're screwing up and you definitely couldn't lay down.
Interesting - my wife is constantly harping on all the "wrongs" TV shows or movies commit when portraying various weapons and vehicles the military uses, and when she was quiet during the tank part, I asked her. She thought the inside of the tank looked spot on as far as she could tell. Mind, she's only been inside one a couple of times just to have a look "around".
I did think that tank looked a bit roomy!
Thoroughly enjoyed episiode 1. Not sure about the-guy-who-will-forever-be-known-as-Egg's accent though. It wavered a few times and just seems odd coming out of his mouth, but I'm sure I'll get used to it.
My only quibble is some of the zombie make up, especially the little girl in the prologue sequence. They had pronounced "panda-eyes", where the face was zombie-grey, but appeared healthy pink in large circles around the eyes, which kind of made it look like ... well, make-up. Others, such as the legless woman and the crowd scene looked a lot better, but that initial Big Shock moment was diminished IMO.
Quote from: Dandontdare on 11 April, 2011, 10:59:22 AM
I did think that tank looked a bit roomy!
Thoroughly enjoyed episiode 1. Not sure about the-guy-who-will-forever-be-known-as-Egg's accent though. It wavered a few times and just seems odd coming out of his mouth, but I'm sure I'll get used to it.
My only quibble is some of the zombie make up, especially the little girl in the prologue sequence. They had pronounced "panda-eyes", where the face was zombie-grey, but appeared healthy pink in large circles around the eyes, which kind of made it look like ... well, make-up. Others, such as the legless woman and the crowd scene looked a lot better, but that initial Big Shock moment was diminished IMO.
got to agree about the makeup, especially the wee girl I've seen better at halloween, having said that enjoyed the whole thing, thought the Egg did good, and having only recently read the first books that woman beside the bike is as it is in the book.
Logan: Glad to see punching is still an accepted way to communicate in the army ;)
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 11 April, 2011, 08:24:24 AM
* The only kicker for me is that our digital TV reception totally sucks. I'd started recording it on the digibox, realised it was jumping all over the place and therefore had to watch it on normal analogue. So I missed all of the Rick/Shane dialogue at the start. Thankfully, a lot was silent. So now I have to block out Sunday nights to watch broadcast telly. It's like being in the seventies again.
And goodness knows what I'm going to do when they switch off our analague signal in 3 weeks.
Firstly check and change you cable connection to you digital receiver. Failing that it is probably your Antenna isn't positioned correctly. Coaxial cable has a long lifespan so I doubt it will be that but check for breaks anyway.
There is no such thing as a digital Ariel. Your old Yagi's can easily pick up the digi signal if maintained and facing the proper direction.
V
Thanks - we get a really bad analogue system as well - completely surrounded by trees - so I've always assumed it was just a crap signal and that we had to lump it.
I understand the digital signal will be boosted when they switch over (early May for us) so if things don't improve then, I'll have to start checking cables - if there is a problem, it's probably before it gets into the splitters and boosters we have as the signal is crap on every telly in the house.
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Logan: Glad to see punching is still an accepted way to communicate in the army ;)
BATUS, Canada 1988 and after being in the gunners seat for the first 4 days I'm hitting every target presented, I just can't miss.
Then the 2 I/C's loader get his leg crushed in the turret.
My loader goes to replace him and I move to the loaders side on my tank.
We get a replacement, straight out of training so he should be shit hot, instead he's just shit.
During the night I run him through everything and also tell him of a few shortcuts I'll take that will make the time between rounds quicker and make him look better.
After less than 3 hours in the seat he couldn't have hit a cows arse with a cricket bat.
After an engagement we unload and make everything safe and I ask that why am I sweating my tits off and risking everything when he hasn't hit a thing.
He then accuses me of crap loading and I lose it, shout elevate so the gun barrel is full in the air and so the breech end is as low as it goes, then hit the safety switch.
I then leaned over the breech and punched him.
The commander got out of the turret so the gunner could get out and I threw
My helmet on the floor and got out of the loaders hatch.
With most of the Squadron watching I then ask him why my loading affected his shooting and when he then tried to blame the crew for everything gave him another punch and threw him off the tank.
He was sent back as he was deemed unsafe and the next replacement was nervous but slightly better.
Moral of the story, don't call me a shit loader 8-)
american tanks are probably more roomy,have cable a pool table and a ps3 ,coffee machine and a macdonalds ... ;)
Quote from: mogzilla on 11 April, 2011, 02:12:06 PM
american tanks are probably more roomy,have cable a pool table and a ps3 ,coffee machine and a macdonalds ... ;)
And fridges large enough to hold more than a day's worth of food!
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 11 April, 2011, 12:48:48 PM
Thanks - we get a really bad analogue system as well - completely surrounded by trees - so I've always assumed it was just a crap signal and that we had to lump it.
I understand the digital signal will be boosted when they switch over (early May for us) so if things don't improve then, I'll have to start checking cables - if there is a problem, it's probably before it gets into the splitters and boosters we have as the signal is crap on every telly in the house.
If reception is bad on all TV's then either your Antenna is out of alignment or is fucked. Check the position of your Yagi to the rest of the street.
V
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 11 April, 2011, 01:15:02 PM
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Logan: Glad to see punching is still an accepted way to communicate in the army ;)
'ask him why my loading affected his shooting'
even I was wondering that!!
Watched the first episode last night of Five. Thought for a minute that they'd screwed up and were playing the second episode first what with the zombie girl and everything before the opening credits. Once the confusion was sorted though I reckon it was a pretty good show, not too gory but still scary enough (not a huge horror movie/show fan, unless its 1950's B-movie horror).
According to Amazon the DVD of the first series is out on the 16th of next month with a fair bit of extras thrown in
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 11 April, 2011, 08:24:24 AM
* The only kicker for me is that our digital TV reception totally sucks. I'd started recording it on the digibox, realised it was jumping all over the place and therefore had to watch it on normal analogue. So I missed all of the Rick/Shane dialogue at the start. Thankfully, a lot was silent. So now I have to block out Sunday nights to watch broadcast telly. It's like being in the seventies again.
I watched mine through cable (Virgin Media) and it occasionally jumped too. Not too badly as to ruin things, it just looked like the characters were teleporting a few steps on occasion.;)
Incidentally, I don't get the Egg reference, but I do recognise the actor from
Teachers. I thought his accent was pretty good. The only time I noticed it slip was during that emotional scene in his house when he cries out. That scene was so well acted though.
Well managed to catch up with it this evening. I thought it was okay. Didn't really add anything to the genre but did want it did well and was enjoyable and tense enough. Hoping the fact that its a telly series means that now the set up is done it will use the extra time it has over movies to explore some different aspects of the zombie apocalypse from the norms.
Still defo good enough to mean I'll check out the rest of this season.
Colin, have you read the comics?
Interesting that my friends and family members who have read the comics disliked the show, while those that hadn't read the comics really got into it. I liked [spoiler]the first three episodes all right, but once didn't like from four onwards, and actually found the season finale to be horrible in every way, a melodramatic mess that didn't jibe with the overall "believability" the series (both show and comic) were going for[/spoiler]. I'll still give season two a go.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 11 April, 2011, 10:38:49 PM
[spoiler]....and actually found the season finale to be horrible in every way, a melodramatic mess that didn't jibe with the overall "believability" the series (both show and comic) were going for[/spoiler]. I'll still give season two a go.
Yup and yup.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 11 April, 2011, 10:38:49 PM
Colin, have you read the comics?
No. Its always been on the fringes of my to get list but never managed to get up there. Hopefully I'll get around to it one day but I've heard some pretty disparaging things about the comic that suggest I won't get on with it?
My partners not really a comics fan but read my Walking Dead Collected Hardback 1 and loved it, she's now read all 7 and keeps pestering for when the next one will be out 8-?
i loved the comic and the show
I wasn't massively keen on the last couple of episodes either, I liked the idea of it but it seemed more like something you'd do 3 seasons in just before jumping the shark. Still, I liked it a lot, just not as much as what went before. It's still my second favorite current tv show on the go though (after Sons of Anarchy).
Quote from: W. R. Logan on 12 April, 2011, 09:08:45 AM
My partners not really a comics fan but read my Walking Dead Collected Hardback 1 and loved it, she's now read all 7 and keeps pestering for when the next one will be out 8-?
Is book 7 out? Just checked Amazon and couldn't see it, but I am well aware of my own web browsing deficiencies. My partner loves the walking dead and her birthday is coming up, so if I can find it that would be one pressie sorted.
My fault and big fingers is 7 were waiting for 8-?
Ah well, never mind. One advantage of going out with a Transformer fan is that presents are never that difficult to think of.
Repeated on FiveUSA last night - much better signal. Some great weighted dialogue between Rick and Shane.
This made mme chuckle: Now that's what I call product placement (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376415/In-bad-taste-Billboard-horror-The-Walking-Dead-posted-funeral-parlour.html)
(and no, I DON'T read the Daily Mail, a workmate showed me as they know I'm into this)
Can Channel five cram any more fucking adverts in?
Was it wrong that I found the [spoiler]choppy bit[/spoiler] funny in episode 2?
It's just there was a touching bit before hand [spoiler]where they get out the dead man's wallet and respectfully ponder on the fact this used to be a human being with a life and dreams of his own then...HACK! HACK! "Smear this on."[/spoiler] No doubt it was supposed to be emotional (and it was), so I wonder if I'm scum to find the next bit [spoiler]with the axe and the smearing[/spoiler] rather hilarious.
In my defence, I think it was meant to be darkly humourous though. It's such a juxtaposition in tone, [spoiler]with the fervent 'HACK! HACK!'[/spoiler] it's got to be.
Or I'm just a sick puppy. ;)
Another good episode. Not just for the (possibly unintentional) comedy bit.
I right liked that.
Quite a significant deviation from what I remember of the comic (I think it was and with a series of leaps, Glenn and Rick were free of the city) but nothing that I'm complaining about.
I do like these little touching scenes where Rick is still full of himanity and understanding that these were once people.
And I also like the fact that the Shane and Lori thing [spoiler]seems to have been a regular rather than "That one night was a mistake".[/spoiler]
Timeline question:
So how long was Rick in Hospital for? And how long did it take teh world to go to pot?
Shane visits him and gives him the flowers (so assume everything is OK at that point) and then, what, a month?
As a fan of the comic, I'm enjoying the deviation from the main storylines from a what will they actually use in the series (considering the 70+ issues to rip story lines from) and it adds a sense of mystery as to are they characters safe, something which is a constant question in the comic.
Also I'm really enjoying the way the TV show is not going for silly horror movie staples such as the quick scare with loud screechy music, it makes it so much more of a watchable show and adds a sense of dread. Notable examples have been [spoiler]the hands crawling at the hospital doors when Rick woke up and his trip down the fire exit stairs in the dark.[/spoiler]
Good to see that Michael Rooker as [spoiler]white trash nutcase[/spoiler] hasnt been typecast....ha ha.
I'd hazard a guess at a month in the hospital for Rick before he woke up. Nice to see Lori moving on so fast.....
I don't know I think I'm one of the only descenting voices here. Its okay, its certainly not bad and entirely watchable I'm just not that blown away eith it. It does what it does perfectly well just doesn't do all that much.
Still enough to bring me back for the next one (and I imagine by now the rest of this short series) just was hoping for more.
QuoteNice to see Lori moving on so fast.....
A month - yeah - that's where I think I was going with that. I think a [spoiler]regular thing between Shane and Lori would have been more excusable with a longer time but if it was just a month then the "That one night was a mistake" would be more understandable. Unless they want to make Lori very unsympathetic.[/spoiler]
Season One dvd $9.99 on Amazon.com. $16 with UK shipping. Bargain.
Gonna give that a go. Cheers Rex, you're a Prince amongst... Oh wait... No that's not... Youi're a sai... No..hmmm. Cheers man.
And now it's time for these messages... From that marvellous haven of the mad, the IMDB, here are two reviews of Walking Dead that particularly entertained me.
Room for Improvement..., 12 April 2011
Author: Dippy_Awadh from Pakistani Residentual Area
I have seen better TV Series based off the Indian Film Industry. Sometimes,the show seemed a mock of the industry in India, whilst simultaneously ripping it off. Whatever be the concept, there has got to be some originality in the acting, which all seemed fake to me, especially the American extras. It all looked fake to me. The use of English in the show by all was great with the subs present where needed. Andrew Lincoln and Jon Bernthal could have done a job better worth than this. Steven Yeun was so not true.... I reckon people should watch some Indian Films and daily TV to be updated with what's happening here, I mean if this garbage merits 10 stars from the average NonBolly user... This series did disappoint me, thought of it to be at par with other series, which is nowhere near it. I wouldn't recommend people watch this series. Sorry.
Great Zombie TV Series ....If You're a Pansy., 7 November 2010
Author: chernobylpants from Oegstgeest
The Walking Dead is a great show in the Oughtie's. Who could forget Rick Grimes and his Cousin Shane. This show had lots of laighs, plenty of twists and turns, but I have just one question. Why Family Matters? Grimes and Shane worked in Law enforcement, that also employed an elevator operator named "Lulu Winslow". This character's comic relief proves to be so popular, that she needs to be given a spin-off.
Family Matters, which finally ended it's run in 1998. In case you don't know, Family Matters was the show that featured the world famous nerd, known as Steven Quincy Urkel. Family Matters was a decent, yet silly show, and being silly, only makes The Walking Dead look stupid. Now, when I watch re-runs of Family Matters on TBS Superstation, I always wonder why was this show so damn successful. And why did it have to launch from Perfect Strangers. Still, both great shows (one much better than the other) that had very successful series runs. If you can overlook Family Matters, I would highly recommend The Walking Dead for it was a show with a great cast, funny jokes and lots of great episode plots that only pansies who're afraid to watch real Romero movies could enjoy!!!!!
SBT
Episode 3 for me last night.
I am really enjoying this. It was a slow episode (but not Outcast slow and dull).
I particularly liked that Rick is still trying to be a Saint and that the group is already full of neer do wells and conflicts (the cosy feel of the comic where the biggest conflict in the happy camping group seemed to be "Oooh, she's a bit judgemental" never quite worked for me).
Also really liked the reveal about [spoiler]what Shane told Lori. While not entirely justifying her behaviour [/spoiler] ("Slut!"),
Quoteit does make it slightly more believable and her more sympathetic.
This is different from the comic if I recall and adds a nice other level to things.
Oh and is it wrong to be more scared by the zombie in green face paint who was clawing at the door to get to Merle than it was by the fully made up brillinatly prostheticed zombies we saw eating the deer and in the store?
Oh and where have all the zombies gone? There were thousands milling about the streets of Atlanta and the store and there was barely one in sight this time?
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 28 April, 2011, 08:23:59 AM
Oh and where have all the zombies gone? There were thousands milling about the streets of Atlanta and the store and there was barely one in sight this time?
The reason there were so many is because they're attracted to noise, so when Rick was galloping around on his horse, firing guns, he drew a crowd, which increased when redneck dude was shooting them from the roof, but 24 hours later most of them will have wandered off.
I got myself a US dvd. The bargain ones had gone but, all 6 episodes and whole load of extras, was a welcome site after the bank holiday weekend.
I was only tuned into what was actually going on in Ep 3 after watching it again more thoroughly.
While everybody else in the country was going "Isn't her dress lovely?"* I was looking at the surge heading down the mall beh8ind a line of police and thinking "Why have I never seen this in a Zombie movie?"
They always talk about the defences being over-run and the army losing control etc. but you never actually see it. Just for once, I'd like to see a Zulu like stand off with hundres of soldiers attempting to hold back a horde of ten thousan slowly advancing zombies.
Or has this ever been shown in a film/comic? If it hasn't it should be. It'd look fantastic and would have a great sense of tension as they get closer and ammo starts to run out....
* Amazing, isn't it. Rich people can afford nice things. Who's have thought.
QuoteThey always talk about the defences being over-run and the army losing control etc. but you never actually see it. Just for once, I'd like to see a Zulu like stand off with hundres of soldiers attempting to hold back a horde of ten thousan slowly advancing zombies.
Or has this ever been shown in a film/comic? If it hasn't it should be. It'd look fantastic and would have a great sense of tension as they get closer and ammo starts to run out....
If they make the World War Z movie right you'll get to see this at the Battle of Yonkers, which is one of the most spinechilling sequences i've ever read in a book, and when the Zombies get amongst the lines oh my lord it'll be a blood bath.
Cu Radbacker
I realised tonight I was a week behind and I had episode 4 recorded without having watched episode 3 so I got that one at the way and was very glad I did. This was by far the best episode to date and loved the developments and relationships in the survivors camp. Okay so nothing too new but it sure made for good telly.
Slightly nervous about the next two as all I've heard is it takes a dip but at least now I'm really looking forward to finding out.
Actually, that blood bath at the end of Episode 4 was pretty darned good. A real nice sense of panic and "where are they coming from?".
Defused by the shockingly cheesy "I remember my dream. I know why I dug the holes" line (which surely would have been better handled just by showing Jim digging a few more holes after the event).
Not seen the whole of Episode 5 yet but have to congratulate the editor on the brilliant cut from "We'll make sure we treat her body gently and with respect" to the pick axe through the head. Sure you knew it was coming but the timing was spot on.
Continues to be a thumbs up for me; not as consistently brilliant as, say Band of Brothers, but still darned good mini-series style telly.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 10 May, 2011, 01:12:07 PM
Continues to be a thumbs up for me; not as consistently brilliant as, say Band of Brothers, but still darned good mini-series style telly.
Be interested to see what you make of the next two - for me Ep 4 was the high point.
Don't know if I'm the odd one out here but not enjoying the TV series.
Not sure if I was ill-informed, but i was told [spoiler]they got to the prison by the end of the first series, doesn't look likely at this rate? any one able to confirm ? or is it only the CDC (?) they reach?[/spoiler]
Quote from: Proudhuff on 10 May, 2011, 03:40:40 PM
Not sure if I was ill-informed, but i was told [spoiler]they got to the prison by the end of the first series, doesn't look likely at this rate? any one able to confirm ? or is it only the CDC (?) they reach?[/spoiler]
That was at the end of the first collection. Not the TV series.
V
Cheers vzzbux, thought I was losing it there ::)
Sort of. The first series of the tv show, sort'a follows the plot of issues 1-6 (collected as trade vol 1). The prison is discovered at the end of issue 12 (last page of trade vol 2).
A few people have voiced dissappointment with how the first series of the tv show ended- and while I can see why, I personally thought it was a good move to veer wildly from the comics. Just as 'True Blood' only uses Charlaine Harris's novels as the basis and bare structure of the tv show, so I hope 'Walking Dead' follows a same approach. I'm not sure how much enjoyment I'd get just sitting there each week ticking off things they got "right" or "wrong", and would prefer the series to wander off into new pastures if they offered the opportunity for new and entertaining stories.
Have they started filming series two yet?
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 11 May, 2011, 08:25:55 AM
I personally thought it was a good move to veer wildly from the comics.
I agree with you, I just didn't like the direction taken. Up to that last episode I felt the series was pretty "realistic" and the whole CDC thing sort of brought me out of the Walking Dead world. Didn't feel right. If the comics are only a blueprint, the TV series should be true to the world if not the stories and the CDC and the "explanation" of the zombie plague didn't really sit right with me.
Yep, it did the same for me but to a lesser extent. I dont think we'll see a 'true' explanation for the zombies for a while though. Guesswork til then, i reckon.
SBT
Spoilery if you haven't seen the final couple of episodes:
[spoiler]The whole CDC thing struck me as the TV company panicking incase their viewers wouldn't or couldn't accept that there just was a zombie plauge and thinking they would need an explaination for it.[/spoiler]
Well that was Episode 5 for me and I enjoyed it but quality definitely dipped.
I think the reason was the pacing. It was too slow and drawn out. (Not as slow as Outcasts but not far off).
Now I don't want episodes to move at Smallville speed but I do think they could have done the whole episode in thirty minutes (I'd have finished the Andrea/Amy thing before the opening titles).
And then when you add Jim - to have two drawn out goodbye sequences in one episode was a bit much.
I like the fact that instead of just saying let's get out of here and going wandering, they have a couple of definite options. And if you are in Atlanta, heading for the CDC does seem utterly logical. So that deviation is good on me.
And while I'd like some explaination of sorts eventually (even if it's just a simple Hell is full), I don't want it this early on and have the series turn into a race for a cure because that isn't what the Zombie genre is about.
I'm torn between how much I want it to follow/deviate. While the prison setting is great and a lot of good drama can be played out there, the whole Governor character seems "too written" (the sort of character that only writers come up with) so for me, they'd have to come up with a different ending to that whole saga.
PS: Daryl (?) the redneck is absolutely great.
I really like Norman Reedus who plays him, saw him first in a Masters Of Horror, very watchable guy. Apparently he's playing Eddie Dean in The Dark Tower, which seems a pretty good choice (I was hoping for Sam Rockwell but you can't have your dream casting everytime)!
QuoteApparently he's playing Eddie Dean in The Dark Tower, which seems a pretty good choice
Ohhh! Good choice.
If he's shit, I'll send him home with a fuckin' rupture.
Off-topic but apparently the status of The Dark Tower films/series is a bit up in the air at the moment as Universal may have realised it'll be more expensive than they first thought. (Which isn't to say it won't get made eventually, but pre-production has apparently been halted for a bit.) More about that here (http://www.darktowermovies.com/).
I agree that guy would be great as Eddie Dean though! I'm not sure the casting of him was finalised, but I read he's certainly up for it. Or was.
Anyway, back on topic...
... yeah he's a great if annoying character in The Walking Dead! The ending of the last episode (broadcast on the Channel 5, I mean) with the facility reminded me a bit of 28 Days Later.
Okay so finally got to episode four and so I'm skirting around this thread a little to avoid spoilers. This episode was kinda weird. For the most part it was fun enough, still not great but fine. As with most episodes just rolled out any number of zombie tropes which is fine in itself.
In the middle of all that was this really wonky departure that just didn't sit right with me. This may be the reason that comics work differently and better in some cases than a telly show. Now I'm speculating here as I still have read the comics, but was the whole 'gangsters' guarding old people's home in the comics? I imagined it was a side story that filled, say a couple of issues or some such. As such it might have made sense. As an addition to in the middle of one episode of tv it just didn't make any kinda sense. I was utterly unconvinced by the reveal. Crammed in here like this I just didn't believe it. Its possible (and as I say I really am guessing here) given room to breathe in the comics it could have worked and made sense?
It'd be good to hear whether my speculation is right?
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 12 May, 2011, 08:46:02 PM
was the whole 'gangsters' guarding old people's home in the comics?
Nope, completely made up for the tv show. AND SO, NOT CANON! I DENY THIS REALITY!
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 12 May, 2011, 09:40:38 PM
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 12 May, 2011, 08:46:02 PM
was the whole 'gangsters' guarding old people's home in the comics?
Nope, completely made up for the tv show. AND SO, NOT CANON! I DENY THIS REALITY!
SBT
Okay having looked a little more I'm going to swim against the tide a little here. I'm really surprised that section was made especially to fit into one episode of the show. I see the themes it was trying to go at (well I think I do) emphasizing the difference between folk and the zombies and in doing so exploring what it is to be human. I get that they have tipped a zombie trope on its head (which in all other ways I've been asking for and expecting from this so when I get it what do I do, I moan, go figure) and express the fact that when the zombie apocalypse comes not all the 'gangs' that raise up will be self motivated and the good in human nature will out in what the surface and seen through current prejudices will be the most surprising places. This is nicely contrasted by some of the more self interested motivations surfacing in the supposedly 'goodie' camp. Its looks stereotypes in the eyes and gives the finger to them.
All that would be very good, if I'd found it in any way convincing. The flip from the actions set up to trigger our preconceived perceptions of what was going on was just too weak and contrived. The washing away of those actions not strong enough. The idea that the 'gangsters' had acted in the way they did prior to the reveal wasn't strong enough.
The fact of the matter is when the old lady wondered into the stand off I actually giggled as I realised what was about to happen (though I admit not to the extent to which it would). From then I found myself being picky, after being duped so clumsily.
While the action at the end was very well done and the tension it created fantastic I questioned quite why it'd happened that way. I don't normally do this, after all I'm happy to suspend belief that a zombie plague has wiped out society and the rules of fighting zombies I just don't question. So I normally don't hold too much stead in worrying about the way those zombie's are used to move a story forward. The fact however that the fire (I assume) had attracted a zombie attack I'm cool with but why all of a sudden was there so many there at once in what had I assume been a very zombie free place up to that point. How come the zombie's that were about (as established last week) all appeared to be equidistant to the site and thus happen to arrive at the same time rather than in dribs and drabs. Why did the party from Atlanta just find another car rather than move on foot, they had little problem finding one to hotwire in the early parts.
This made me reflect back on the inconsistency shown in the zombie rules previously. I need to get over that I know but alas the whole 'ha got ya see they are doing all this to be nice' thing pulled me out of the drama so much it really derailed my enjoyment
Why on earth I feel the need to rant about this escapes me also (and I'm sure smarter folk here will correct any errors I've made in my reading of thing). I think I enjoyed episode 3 so much felt a little let down by this one.
And relax!
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 13 May, 2011, 09:07:26 AM
The fact however that the fire (I assume) had attracted a zombie attack I'm cool with but why all of a sudden was there so many there at once in what had I assume been a very zombie free place up to that point. How come the zombie's that were about (as established last week) all appeared to be equidistant to the site and thus happen to arrive at the same time rather than in dribs and drabs. Why did the party from Atlanta just find another car rather than move on foot, they had little problem finding one to hotwire in the early parts.
A herd-mentality in zombies, and a tendency for some some to form increasingly-large wandering groups, is a theme in the comic. I assume it was just such a herd that found the camp, rather than an unfortunate convergence of individuals. Zombies in the comic seem to fall into several categories of behaviour, from those that just stand or lie around until disturbed, to those that roam aimlessly ('Roamers') to those that form wandering groups or hordes. The TV series actually makes more sense of this range of behaviour (which is never explained in the comic), by introducing the ideas of residual habits or memories (as with Morgan Jones' wife) in the dead. Maybe some just feel attracted to company of their fellows because that's how they were in life. I'd suggest that it was Glen's car alarm that started the horde moving camp-ward, rather than the fire itself. It just happened that everyone was staring stupidly into it that's when they arrived.
The running all the way home thing was just stupid, and I agree that the rug-pull of the gang's motivation was badly handled - a nice idea, but poorly conveyed.
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 May, 2011, 10:51:06 AM
A herd-mentality in zombies, and a tendency for some some to form increasingly-large wandering groups, is a theme in the comic. I assume it was just such a herd that found the camp, rather than an unfortunate convergence of individuals. Zombies in the comic seem to fall into several categories of behaviour, from those that just stand or lie around until disturbed, to those that roam aimlessly ('Roamers') to those that form wandering groups or hordes. The TV series actually makes more sense of this range of behaviour (which is never explained in the comic), by introducing the ideas of residual habits or memories (as with Morgan Jones' wife) in the dead. Maybe some just feel attracted to company of their fellows because that's how they were in life. I'd suggest that it was Glen's car alarm that started the horde moving camp-ward, rather than the fire itself. It just happened that everyone was staring stupidly into it that's when they arrived.
Arh see I knew someone would come along with a well reasoned explanation as to why they arrived mob handed and to be fair thinking back there has been previous examples of the different zombie behaviour in the show.
The zombie residual habit thing is completely cool as well and echo's back to Dawn of the Dead.
Still enjoyed ranting and getting it all out my system! Now I have most of by beef settled I'll go into episode 5 with a more open mind that I might too.
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 13 May, 2011, 11:00:51 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 May, 2011, 10:51:06 AM
A herd-mentality in zombies, and a tendency for some some to form increasingly-large wandering groups, is a theme in the comic. I assume it was just such a herd that found the camp, rather than an unfortunate convergence of individuals. Zombies in the comic seem to fall into several categories of behaviour, from those that just stand or lie around until disturbed, to those that roam aimlessly ('Roamers') to those that form wandering groups or hordes. The TV series actually makes more sense of this range of behaviour (which is never explained in the comic), by introducing the ideas of residual habits or memories (as with Morgan Jones' wife) in the dead. Maybe some just feel attracted to company of their fellows because that's how they were in life. I'd suggest that it was Glen's car alarm that started the horde moving camp-ward, rather than the fire itself. It just happened that everyone was staring stupidly into it that's when they arrived.
Arh see I knew someone would come along with a well reasoned explanation as to why they arrived mob handed and to be fair thinking back there has been previous examples of the different zombie behaviour in the show.
The zombie residual habit thing is completely cool as well and echo's back to Dawn of the Dead.
Still enjoyed ranting and getting it all out my system! Now I have most of by beef settled I'll go into episode 5 with a more open mind that I might too.
Well it was cos of Glenn's flash car arrived in very loud alarm! That can caused the Herd...
I didn't mind th rug plug, I thought it was handled fine, racial stereotypes, easily found in other programmes on telly, turned on their heads, and the stupidity/ease of getting into that macho stand off was handled well too, with a heads up that there are other groups around who aren't all sunshine and light.
An aside I also like how people in crappy jobs: Pizza delivery etc are coming into their own post-apoc.
Not sure about this CDC though...
What a boring finale.
Now I enjoyed that but I can't help but think that the finale of the first season of the first ever zombie tv show should have included some FUCKING zombies.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 15 May, 2011, 11:54:58 PM
Now I enjoyed that but I can't help but think that the finale of the first season of the first ever zombie tv show should have included some FUCKING zombies.
Or, at the very least, some FELLATING zombies?
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 15 May, 2011, 11:54:58 PM
first ever zombie tv show
Ahem... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Set_(TV_series) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Set_(TV_series))
Quote
Ahem... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Set_(TV_series) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Set_(TV_series))
Wouldn't it have been great if they could have done this in real time. A zombie version of Ghost Watch.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 16 May, 2011, 01:07:20 AM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 15 May, 2011, 11:54:58 PM
first ever zombie tv show
Ahem... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Set_(TV_series) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Set_(TV_series))
Have to say as well Dead Set was vastly superior too. Different beasts I admit but if you haven't seen it I can't recommend it enough.
DEAD SET was good - I suppose I meant TV series not TV show (Dead Set was always going to be a two or three parter or whatever it was whereas WALKING DEAD is ongoing as far as I can see).
Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying WALKING DEAD it's just not delivering enough zombie shaped thrills and spills.
I'd be annoyed if every episode of Star Trek I watched was set in Ten Forward where they talked about aliens and you saw one occassionally on a view screen but they only actually interacted with them every third episode.
Too be truthful I think the zombie's make up is the weakest bit of the show, the threat of them outside is nearly always undermined when they appear, so I'd happily only see them occasionally.
Glad to see Egg's correct use of a hand grenade directing the force of the explosion by wedging it by the window instead of chucking it, that would straight onto our pedants page :D
'Too be truthful I think the zombie's make up is the weakest bit of the show'
Yup.
Not so much in its technical application aspect, just this need for everybody who thinks ZOMBIE!!!!!!!!!! to put some massive furrowed brow on them, just, ....no, stop it.
In the 'real' world, dead people would just gradually get thinner and withered, and most importantly, they would show no emotion, they are dead people afterall..
I wish directors would try to convey the deadness over the snarliness (something that normally comes across as over-acting anyway).
The fresh dead can do all the running about if needed, but the older dead should just slow down, like a toy on low batteries.
Anyway, thats just me. I liked the show, mainly.
yup, I don't know as I'm only up to the collected book 10, but the 'lifecycle' of the zombies interests me, saddo that I am.
Surely there number would naturely tail off after a certian time? I'm sure a biologist could do some sort of scatter gragh for this kind of thing
I once wanted to write the end of a zombie apocalypse based on the fact 'fast' zombies would burn their energy reserves much faster than the traditional slow zombie. Like the smaller mammals with less explosive and expensive survival strategies were able to survive the event that finished off the dinosaurs (to completely over simplify that happening).
At first the various zombies would co-exist, then fast would drop 'dead' or in a desperate attempt to survive feed off the slower zombies and possible become infected by doing so. Much like the in fighting within human survives that is a bit of a trope of the genre. This would echo the ideas of 'Dawn of the Dead' of some kind of residual memory in zombies. All these goings on would be observed by a team of scientist types holed up somewhere by way of providing exposition. They are were crippled into inertia by their own inability to agree, as is often the case with science, which is strangely one of its strengths as well as a weakness. Eventually the more successful slower zombies too would fail and a few remaining observers would creep out of whatever cellar they hide in.
Then it dawned on me that I was thinking about trying to place a scientific rational on the undead beasts of the night and that was pretty much doomed to failure, or would end up being the most boring thing ever written outside the Silmarillion so very quickly let it go.
I, similarly, had a great idea for the differences between fast and slow zombies but couldn't find an effective story to hang it on. I have a less than convincing Future Shock/terror tale nearly ready to submit but just need that extra something...
But if everybody was happy with the zombie makeup, would they agree that WD needs more zombie action.
(And less vehicles left completely intact after being right next to that massive explosion)
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 16 May, 2011, 05:32:15 PM
But if everybody was happy with the zombie makeup, would they agree that WD needs more zombie action.
I wouldn't mind a bit more. The Walking Dead in both incarnations has always really been about the survivors though. One could argue the series is just being true to the original comics.
I don't disagree though.
less is more for me, but agree on the blast proof RV, thought the windscreen would be cracked at least!! ::)
Read the Zombie Survival Guide.
A piece in there goes on about the infection slowing down the decaying process thus enabling the Zombies to around far longer than standard rotting corpses.
V
Okay so the biggest surprise for me in episode 5 was that there is an episode 6. For some reason I'd really got it in my head that there was only 5 in this series. So one more to got then. Other than that it was pretty pedestrian, a couple of really nice moments aside.
so..is the one on FX tonight the start of the latter half of the 2nd series or is it a repeat?
Repeat of ep2 series2. Looks like they'll be running right into the episode they left us with!
ah ok, thanks CF
New Midseasons poster of The Walking Dead, you can see it from end of last episode;
(http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/twd-midseason-poster.jpg)
First four minutes of the new episode after mid-season; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjXklg5mnJE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjXklg5mnJE)
What an opening!
truly enjoyed season 1 made it to episode 6 of season 2, and stopped getting excited.
life got in the way and other shows took its place on the commute.
may give it a catch up this month, as i am not doing much currently.
Quote from: Goaty on 30 January, 2012, 09:13:24 PM
First four minutes of the new episode after mid-season; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjXklg5mnJE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjXklg5mnJE)
What an opening!
This video has been removed by the user. :(
Stopped watching Series 2 at episode 2. Just found it boring and a bit too schmaltzy in places. Series 1 was OK, probably more to do with the novelty factor of it being a zombie tv show.
Back on tonight people. woop woop
I'm sure Friday is the start of the second part of the series.
Aw shit, its next Sunday. Bugger.
Friday!
Sorry, I get mine a bit early from illegal sources :o
That's okay, I do that as well but you didn't mention that, people would have been looking at the wrong date if they wanted to watch it on FXHD. Seeing as its out on the same week I can live with a slight delay.................or can I ;)
Still really slow and Lori is just an unbelievable idiot!
Spoiler below...
[spoiler]So after moaning at Egg about leaving the farm she decides to leave the farm, drive at speed while reading a map and then hits a zombie. Should she...
A) Keep driving and award herself 10 points for at least crippling a zombie
B) HIT THE FUCKING BRAKES!
C) Speed up and swerve about like a maniac until she crashes just like a real stuntman would[/spoiler]
Nice end to the ep so hopefully next weeks actually goes somewhere, preferably somewhere that's not a farm.
Having only just started to read this as opposed to watching it all first, it's diffcult to believe how different it is and how long they have managed to string it out..
Not that I don't like it lots and looking forward to Friday. :-)
yay! c'mon friday!
It's absolutely unbelievable that two guys from Philly would get [spoiler]taken out so easily[/spoiler] by a bumpkin like Rick. I was furious, angry, I tells ya :lol:.
But those last 10 minutes almost managed to rescue this booooooring epsiode. And I agree - Lori, by way of the writers, is a complete moron. I disliked her in the comics, but I absolutely loathe her in the show.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 15 February, 2012, 11:50:11 PM
[spoiler]taken out so easily[/spoiler] by a bumpkin like Rick.
[spoiler]He's a cop (I'm sure he's shot people before) and I think is starting to lose the plot.
He seen these people as a threat and eliminated that threat.... something I don't think he would have done in series one.[/spoiler]
Can I just ask...is this on Channel 5 again?
Quote from: Buddy on 16 February, 2012, 11:57:30 AM
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 15 February, 2012, 11:50:11 PM
[spoiler]taken out so easily[/spoiler] by a bumpkin like Rick.
[spoiler]He's a cop (I'm sure he's shot people before) and I think is starting to lose the plot.
He seen these people as a threat and eliminated that threat.... something I don't think he would have done in series one.[/spoiler]
Complete joke, Buddy. I'm from Philadelphia.
I had this on SkyPlus from FXHD on Friday night.
Settled down to watch it on Saturday: "RECORDING FAILED"
Well fuck you very, very much. Cunt.
Is it repeated?
Go over to Virgin and get a TIVO box. Problem solved. Any failed recordings or deleted recordings can be recovered.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 20 February, 2012, 07:52:27 PM
Go over to Virgin and get a TIVO box. Problem solved. Any failed recordings or deleted recordings can be recovered.
V
Repeated last night on FX. Will find out tonight if it finally worked.
Wasx it any good?
Me and my son REALLY enjoyed it, there's some dissenters on the board though...
For me, just when I think it's starting to drag beyond the point of no return, something exciting or interesting happens to make me want to watch it further. At the moment I think the next big event will be some kind of Rick/Shane showdown. (Maybe spoilery the next bit) ........ Some seeds were sown a while back for maybe a leadership challenge involving Dale, during his hallucination, too. So I'll keep watching but like a few people I wish the the pace would pick up a bit.
The last thing I want is it to pick up. Let's keep the slow build up and follow the survivors lives, as the terror surrounds them.
I know what you're saying. I'm just impatient, I suppose. It's just when I see Shane sweep his hands across his scalp in incredulous frustration for the third time, I'm expecting some big good guy/bad guy face off by the end of the episode. The good thing, though, is this element. Shane's role is the bad guy but we know he's only being true to himself, that he's been wronged and that he can be depended on to defend the group when they need him. That he genuinely tried to save Rick and no-one will ever believe him makes you feel for him when the survivors are ungrateful for his interventions while taking a back seat.
In an inversion of roles, I felt more for Shane when the old man (forgot his name) was continiually smearing his name behind his back.
I too want to see how the survivors go one and hope it's not one of those shows that continues long after all the original characters are gone.
Quote from: Pete Wells on 21 February, 2012, 02:01:58 PM
Me and my son REALLY enjoyed it, there's some dissenters on the board though...
Watched it last night. Loved it. I'm a huge fan of the Kirkland comics, though, so maybe the pacing is something I'm used to.
It's just great, great TV.
Managed to catch up with the latest 2 episodes last night. Really enjoying it but there's only 4 more episodes left this season. Needs to be 24 episodes a season at least!
Quote from: Dr. Dog on 21 February, 2012, 08:18:47 PM
In an inversion of roles, I felt more for Shane when the old man (forgot his name) was continiually smearing his name behind his back.
Shane's clearly descended in to madness but I also felt sorry for him during the latest episode. After all, his actions did save Carl although his method was something that would never have crossed Rick's mind.
I presume the Shane/Rick thing will end the same as the comics. Probably take place the final episode of this season.
Quote from: Beeks on 16 February, 2012, 01:31:03 PM
Can I just ask...is this on Channel 5 again?
I'm not 100% sure but I think I read somewhere that Channel 5 aren't showing the second series.
I want to see the bird with the Samurai sword or the football player, playing in flash back shots!
Quote from: Ghastly McNasty on 23 February, 2012, 12:11:28 PM
Managed to catch up with the latest 2 episodes last night. Really enjoying it but there's only 4 more episodes left this season. Needs to be 24 episodes a season at least!
Those were the days. 22-24 episodes to really get into a show. Imagine X-Files only getting 10-12!
They need to get away from the farm. Just when we're getting some momentum, we have scenes of our gang sitting around the table indulging in high melodrama.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 23 February, 2012, 06:09:14 PM
Those were the days. 22-24 episodes to really get into a show. Imagine X-Files only getting 10-12!
And ending after five season tops (concluding with the
Anasazi /
Blessing Way /
Paper Clip storyline that ended S-2 and began S-3), then a SINGLE movie to wrap it all up... would have been preferable to the long, slow downward spiral that The X-Files took in reality, although the first movie was pretty good, still...
Wow....
David Morrissey will be the Governor! Perfect casting is it?
(http://sharetv.org/images/person/david_morrissey.jpg)
If you haven't seen episode 10 yet don't read on.
[spoiler]Finally got to see the fight we've been building up to. If Rick knows Shane wants to kill him why would he let him back in the group after issuing his ultimatum?[/spoiler]
Quote from: Goaty on 25 February, 2012, 12:30:29 AM
Wow....
David Morrissey will be the Governor! Perfect casting is it?
(http://sharetv.org/images/person/david_morrissey.jpg)
deffo, one of our greatest and underrated actors
Quote from: Goaty on 25 February, 2012, 12:30:29 AM
Wow....
David Morrissey will be the Governor! Perfect casting is it?
(http://sharetv.org/images/person/david_morrissey.jpg)
Is this Series 3? Or this series? GREAT NEWS
Hmm, just watched Episode 10, some nice action, but.
I got frustrated with the slow build in the first half of the season, but then the payoff was exceptional so I was prepared to see it as calculated genius. Now the second series is mired in the same problem. I appreciate that this reflects the structure of the comic, longish periods of stability interspersed with runforfuckssakerunrunrun, but I really think Herschel's farm should have been finished with by Episode 8 (of course [spoiler]we do end up back there a second time in the comic[/spoiler], so maybe we're getting it fully out of our system here, never to return). It might not be quite so much a problem but the individual episodes are quite flabby too - somewhere in each one there's a great 30 minutes of TV struggling to break free, but the languid pacing has my attention drifting before the end of each one. I feel like I've spent more time watching food being prepared in that kitchen than in several series' worth of Masterchef. If we're going to have long domestic chats, I'd rather they were set against the background of doing something about improving long term survival, and less about serving coldcuts.
Any idea how long has passed between the (long) day of the funerals and the current episode? I'm assuming a fair while, since [spoiler]scrote-boy's leg must have been in a right mess but seems okay now, and Laurie shows no effects from her crash[/spoiler]...
And holy heck, on that note, I was never much of a fan of Laurie in the comic, but her TV incarnation is a right pain.
Other questions:
[spoiler]Did those cops really die from scratches? Seems a bit extreme, when Rick and Shane are wandering about slicing their palms open and stabbing and shooting at point blank range.
Didn't it seem like that relief centre place was full of useful resources? If there were only about 10 zombies left, wouldn't it have made sense to pick them off and harvest the place before heading back.[/spoiler]
All valid points Tordel, and I'm inclined to agree with you. But that said I am still really enjoying the show. The tension between Rick & Shane (Or Shane and pretty much everyone else) is well-played out, with Shane being far and away my favourite character. It crossed my mind that no-one ever takes into account his losses - in the very first scene of ep 1 ISTR them talking about their repsective partners in the police car while chowing down on burgers & fries. He's had a raw deal IMO, and the group - led in this by Dale - have pushed him further away. I doubt the scriptwriteres intended it to be like this though - I feel they were intent on pushing Shane down this borderline psycho arc from the beginning. Which is cool, and has led to this tension dynamic, but I think he's gotten a raw deal a few times.
To conclude (terrible waffler I know), I rate the show quite highly, but it's not yet reached its potential and become truly great TV like say, The Wite, Sopranos, BSG or Game of Thrones. I hold out hope that it may yet do so.
Shane has definitely emerged as the best character in the TV show, and while I might miss Carl, I don't think I'd be too bothered to see Rick and Lori get eaten ahead of schedule and have Shane and Andrea to lead the group on from there, with their conflicts being with Daryl and Dale. But it's not going to happen. It's interesting that his[spoiler] shooting of Otis[/spoiler] has been aired and examined rather than kept as an eeeevil secret, and has been subtly suggested to be not a million miles from what Rick seems prepared to do with leg-boy.
Should emphasise that I do enjoy the series, it does things I never thought I'd see on TV and it has some great moments (example: [spoiler] the zombie slowly peeling its own face off as it pushed through the car window to get Lori last week[/spoiler]) , I just hope they can get beyond the 'single static location per season', and introduce a bit more of the movement and random non-dramatic-reasons death that keeps you guessing in the comic.
Yeah, me too. Wonder if we'll see the prison location next season? Are AMC still throwing piles of money at the show after the fracas with Darabont? Be a shame to see it scaled down, but that said they can certainly do a lot on a shoestring too.
There's a lovely moment in this month's Amazing Spiderman 680, SPOILERS FOR SPIDERMAN [spoiler]where Spidey updates the recently-returned Human Torch on everything he's missed while he's been 'dead':
"...Cardinals beat the Rangers in Game 7, Packers beat the Steelers, and they're still at Hershel's farm".[/spoiler]
Dan Slott writes a brilliant Spidey!
Beware those of you that are fans of the show but have not read the comics:
AMC has posted a massive spoiler on their DVD and Blu Ray pre-order page, listing that season 2 of the Walking Dead features [spoiler]Shane's last episode (i.e. Death)[/spoiler]. So don't go pre-order that DVD quite yet!!!
I've seen [spoiler]photos which show[/spoiler] Shane [spoiler]as a zombie[/spoiler]. Sadly they're [spoiler]too dark to see if he's been shot through the throat[/spoiler]
Quote from: mygrimmbrother on 01 March, 2012, 03:49:46 PM
Yeah, me too. Wonder if we'll see the prison location next season? Are AMC still throwing piles of money at the show after the fracas with Darabont? Be a shame to see it scaled down, but that said they can certainly do a lot on a shoestring too.
The budget has already been scaled down for Series 2. Which may go some way to explaining just how much time they've spent not going anywhere or doing anything.
I still love it, though.
Haven't caught any of series 2 at all. But I'd have thought that the crossbow wielding redneck dude's brother would have made an excellent govenor. Especially with the whole missing hand thing and all...
For the first series I used the potential reappearance of the redneck guy's brother as a barometer of quality. If he reappeared it would have been too unrealistic and would have spoiled it for me, so I'm glad he didn't (apart from in the dream sequence). I understand how this sounds in the context of a zombie apocolypse.
Just watched episode 11 - now that was Great F*cking Television.
Quote from: Dr. Dog on 05 March, 2012, 05:21:14 PM
I understand how this sounds in the context of a zombie apocolypse.
Hahah! Ain't that the truth :)
Quote from: mygrimmbrother on 05 March, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
Just watched episode 11 - now that was Great F*cking Television.
Ugh. I have to disagree (with all due respect).
This show becomes mind-numbingly frustratingly stupid by the episode. I'm going to give it the last two episodes of the season to decide whether or not I'll continue watching next season.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 05 March, 2012, 09:57:18 PM
Quote from: mygrimmbrother on 05 March, 2012, 05:50:18 PM
Just watched episode 11 - now that was Great F*cking Television.
Ugh. I have to disagree (with all due respect).
This show becomes mind-numbingly frustratingly stupid by the episode. I'm going to give it the last two episodes of the season to decide whether or not I'll continue watching next season.
I could not agree more, locusts dude, exactly what was on my mind in regards to this stupid show! The first two episodes of Season One were truly exceptional, but it went completely off the cliff after that, which it has not even close to have climbed out of, despite that admittedly effective shock ending of the mid-season break episode, the rest of the show is little more than an overly melodramatic, mind-numbingly BORING, glorified soap opera with unsympathetic and cardboard characters plus the occasional zombie incident sprinkled throughout, I'm not even bothering to continue watching it to season's end, I'm done with it, my initial instinct that you simply could NOT do a Romero-esque zombie saga on a television format has proven completely accurate, I'll say this as one last comment on this dire waste of time and talent; the title of the show evidently refers to the entire writing staff of the series and not just the characters in it, 'nuff said!
A much better, a more satisfying, and a considerably and more substantially better written show on telly now is Homeland, which is basically 24's older, maturer, and more cynical and war-weary brother/sister, and which thoroughly deserves all the praise it's currently getting, Howard Gordon scores another winner, thank you and goodnight :wave:.
Dudes, I'm surprised! As far as the GNs go, I'm with you now Locust -Vol 15 was essentially pages and pages of a character saying 'this is how I fell', followed by another character going 'Yeah? Well this is how I feel', ad nauseum. Not sure I'll bother with anymore.
But for me the show is capturing what was best about the earlier GNs, and it's doing it very well. It's a fine cast, the acting is, IMO, really rather good (some better than others), and I find the whole thing is dripping with tension. Not all that tension is due to the dead themselves, but rather how the survivors' relationships are unravelling. Shane is still the highlight for me.
I'm only on Season 2 Episode 2 and it's still working fine and dandy for me. It works pretty much like the comic except the characters are less accessible and instantly likeable. And they have made some problems for themselves by giving Rick various voice overs/talking on the radio/talking to God bits.
But you've got some real brilliant group dynamics going on between the characters and when the zombies do show up it's awesome.
In contrast, the last couple of Romero Zombie things I've seen (LAND and DIARY) were pretty much pish and don't hold a candle to Walking Dead. (I know films aren't telly series and vice versa so it's a bit of an Apples and Oranges comparison)
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 06 March, 2012, 12:34:43 PM
I'm only on Season 2 Episode 2 and it's still working fine and dandy for me. It works pretty much like the comic except the characters are less accessible and instantly likeable. And they have made some problems for themselves by giving Rick various voice overs/talking on the radio/talking to God bits.
But you've got some real brilliant group dynamics going on between the characters and when the zombies do show up it's awesome.
In contrast, the last couple of Romero Zombie things I've seen (LAND and DIARY) were pretty much pish and don't hold a candle to Walking Dead. (I know films aren't telly series and vice versa so it's a bit of an Apples and Oranges comparison)
Well, there's been lots of complaints that "they don't go anywhere/ they don't do anything/ they stay in Place X too long" from people watching the series, who maybe haven't read the comics.
Because the comics make it quite clear that the whole point is the dynamic between trying to find somewhere "safe", and trying to find bigger communities where a semblance of control or civilsation is in existence. And that it's the people, not the zombies, who are interesting (cf Rick exclaiming "
We Are The Walking Dead!")
But I suppose that what works on paper doesn't always work the same way on screen. But, for me at least, it really does.
As for your comments about TV vs Cinema, well, fine. But nobody on Earth would say The Walking Dead does anything other than
piss all over Romero's latter Zombie misfires, because they've been utter shit.
I just wouldn't even know where to start with what I feel is wrong about the show, so I'll start with this:
Childrearing During the Zombie Apocalypse
Right. Here, in zombie-free, not-worrying-that-there's-a-band-of-thirty-murderers-and-rapists-camping-nearby everyday real-life, I wouldn't let my nine-year-old roam around from morning to sunset without at least checking in...now and then.
Yet Rick and Lori pay so little attention to Carl that his average day consists of: hopping into a shed with a chained killer or possible killer to taunt him, back-talking looney white trash, stealing a handgun from a crazy redneck, and wandering through the woods looking for zombies to throw rocks at and then mud wrestle.
I suppose I can understand Rick and Lori not worrying about Carl - it's not like the group has had any other children eaten by zombies lately.
Oh.
Lori probably just gets lost in her kitchen-work, or maybe all that washing and hanging of clothes, to remember she has a son...
But they should pay a bit more attention from here on out, what with the cunning teleporting zombies now laying ambush here and there.
:D :D :D
Oh yooouuuu ;)
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 06 March, 2012, 12:34:43 PM
In contrast, the last couple of Romero Zombie things I've seen (LAND and DIARY) were pretty much pish and don't hold a candle to Walking Dead. (I know films aren't telly series and vice versa so it's a bit of an Apples and Oranges comparison)
Oh, I'm not referring to Romero's latter zombie flicks, they're just plain crud, I'm talking about Night of the Living Dead and Dawn of the Dead, and although I never liked Day of the Dead (just plain nasty and unpleasant), I would still include it for completion sake, for that's where Romero should have left it! Either way, The Walking Dead simply doesn't compare (first two episodes notwithstanding) to those first two aforementioned films, and is a dead-duck of a show, especially now[spoiler] Dale has been killed off[/spoiler], ho hum, movin' on...
Season 2 Episode 11.
I'm sorry, but this is going to be a stereotypical nerd rant.
Dearie me, what the hell was that supposed to be. Somehow a cool story about surviving a zombie apocalypse has become the lost '12 Angry Men' episode of Little House on the Prairie
[spoiler] And look, it's yet another Dramatically Appropriate Character Death. See, not only did Dale argue against killing the living only to be killed by the living himself, but - shock! -that was the very zombie that Carl teased! Oh the irony! Oh the pathos! Oh f**k off![/spoiler] At this rate I fully expect Randall's people to be led by Daryl's brother with a hook hand and a thirst for revenge.
I'm quite tolerant of the characters being stupid and complacent, because people are stupid and complacent, and likely would be at the end of the world too. But the way they treat this apparently defenceless farm with its broken fences, in walking distance of the highway where they met a herd of zombies, and down the road from a town full of zombies which they repeatedly drive to and from, after what happened at the Atlanta camp, is just ridiculous. And Carl's unsupervised Tom Sawyer lifestyle... well, it's much worse than stupid, it's implausible.
And for the record, [spoiler]making Dale into a teeth-grindingly self-righteous hippy and then killing him [/spoiler]was just plain dumb.
Please get better fast, Walking Dead.
I was hoping to read some of people's thoughts on the first half of Season 2 but there don't appear to be any. Nothing between May and January? That can't be right, can it.
I agree with TordelBack
What a load of old tosh at the moment, they need to either grow a set or get eaten!
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 12 March, 2012, 05:40:36 PM
I was hoping to read some of people's thoughts on the first half of Season 2 but there don't appear to be any. Nothing between May and January? That can't be right, can it.
Have a look here, Tips: http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,33732.45.html.
As to the Season 2 finale, I'm sorry to say this, but that was a load of overwrought shite.
I don't know what the appalling Lori was up to, I don't know what Shane was thinking (which is ridiculous, seeing as most of this season has been about just that), I have real trouble believing Daryl can do his absurd Prince Humperdink routine in the dark, and I wish Rick would just
shut the hell up. I wish there was a 13th episode and that [spoiler]oh-so-dramatically-convenient horde[/spoiler] ate the bally lot of them.
Please let Season 3 be better than this.
Quote from: TordelBack on 12 March, 2012, 08:04:46 PM
I wish there was a 13th episode and that [spoiler]oh-so-dramatically-convenient horde[/spoiler] ate the bally lot of them.
Could still happen - as there is a 13th episode!
After weeks of shouting at the TV that the fools needed to board up and barricade the farmhouse - they finally listened to me, coincidentally during the same episode thee writers decided to actually throw a bunch of zombies in the mix.
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 06 March, 2012, 04:29:12 PM
Childrearing During the Zombie Apocalypse
Right. Here, in zombie-free, not-worrying-that-there's-a-band-of-thirty-murderers-and-rapists-camping-nearby everyday real-life, I wouldn't let my nine-year-old roam around from morning to sunset without at least checking in...now and then.
Yet Rick and Lori pay so little attention to Carl that his average day consists of: hopping into a shed with a chained killer or possible killer to taunt him, back-talking looney white trash, stealing a handgun from a crazy redneck, and wandering through the woods looking for zombies to throw rocks at and then mud wrestle.
I suppose I can understand Rick and Lori not worrying about Carl - it's not like the group has had any other children eaten by zombies lately.
Oh.
Lori probably just gets lost in her kitchen-work, or maybe all that washing and hanging of clothes, to remember she has a son...
But they should pay a bit more attention from here on out, what with the cunning teleporting zombies now laying ambush here and there.
So finally, an episode later, and the group's resident
sociopath is the one to wonder why Carl's running around all over the place by himself - and so, almost as he's angry at Shane for ratting him out to Rick (who of course and conveniently doesn't make much of it) Carl later [spoiler]shoots Shane (albeit in zombie form)[/spoiler].
Thankfully during his wanderings, Carl's developed into [spoiler]an expert marksman[/spoiler].
Why are you all still watching this stupid show?
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 12 March, 2012, 11:28:43 PM
Why are you all still watching this stupid show?
Haven't you been listening? It's the best comic since Preacher.
Quote from: The Cosh on 12 March, 2012, 11:36:52 PM
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 12 March, 2012, 11:28:43 PM
Why are you all still watching this stupid show?
Haven't you been listening? It's the best comic since Preacher.
I'm starting to see your point here.
I can't believe all the hate! To be fair, the main reason I decided to keep going is to see how it all ends since I have been pretty bored by the previous three or so. But I thought episode 12 was great and how it should have been all along. Sure, some things don't add up or conveniently write the loose ends away/unecessarily increase the dramatic effect, but if you're looking for the zombie/survival entertainment genre you can go a lot worse than this. I suppose it depends on how much or often you want to see that type of theme. My bias is that I will never get sick of it.
Anyway, I wouldn't say it was exaggeratedly stupid. Have you seen the original Dawn of the Dead recently, and that's an ace film.
I was wondering whether they would condense it down into a shorter or feature length version like they did with the Das Boot mini-series.
Speaking for myself, I don't hate it, I just wish it was a lot better - and by better I mean more tightly written, with more going on. If you're going to fill an hour of survival TV with ensemble angst rather than chompy horror, you need a pile of believable subplots for your characters to engage with - all I see is one dramatic contrivance after another, with the zombies called in to provide or end the action, or lend obvious motivation at all-too-appropriate points. I find myself browsing the internet while listening to, rather than watching, it. That shouldn't be.
When [spoiler]Shane finally snapped [/spoiler], it's unclear why, or what his plan is. Why leave [spoiler]Randall to become a zombie[/spoiler], why not fake up zombie injuries, or better yet find a zombie and feed him to it? How did he plan to handle Daryl? Why [spoiler]arrange to murder Rick[/spoiler] in a field in full view of the house? I'll tell you why: 'cos the next bit of the plot demands it ([spoiler]always-unsupervised Carl seeing it and arriving just in time to be menaced by a convenient passing horde[/spoiler]). That's just not good enough in something that really has to be character-driven.
With [spoiler]Shane and Dale[/spoiler] gone now, and Daryl apparently granted superhuman powers (bitten by radioactive dueling banjos, presumably - or maybe a passing Dúnedain: I keep expecting him to say "a hobbit lay here - and another"), all we seem to be left with are Glen and the outrageously cute Maggie and a bunch of whiny speechifiers.
Still, 'til Locusts disabused me I thought 12 was a cack-handed season finale, so maybe there's still hope for some gut-gnawing goodness before the break.
Season Finale spoilers:
[spoiler] Patricia & Jimmy both die, Rick admits to killing Shane & re-asserts his authority over the group, the farm is over-run and the last scene show the group discovering the prison. Oh, and Michonne appears in this episode as well.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 13 March, 2012, 06:26:46 PM
Season Finale spoilers:
[spoiler] Patricia & Jimmy both die, Rick admits to killing Shane & re-asserts his authority over the group, the farm is over-run and the last scene show the group discovering the prison. Oh, and Michonne appears in this episode as well.[/spoiler]
Why did you post that?
I wish I'd known that quoting a spoiler emblazons the entire message in perfectly legible text on your screen!
I was going to say, in the compulsion stakes not clicking on that black bar is like asking someone not to think about Pat Butcher erotically licking her fingers, or any other horrendous random element.
If you see what I mean.
Quote from: Dr. Dog on 13 March, 2012, 07:37:41 PM
I was going to say, in the compulsion stakes not clicking on that black bar is like asking someone not to think about Pat Butcher erotically licking her fingers, or any other horrendous random element.
:lol: :lol:
I'm usually good about not hovering over black spoiler bars, but as I've read the comics I didn't realise there'd be...actual spoilers! Stupid me, but still!!! ::)
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 13 March, 2012, 07:05:02 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 13 March, 2012, 06:26:46 PM
Season Finale spoilers:
[spoiler] Patricia & Jimmy both die, Rick admits to killing Shane & re-asserts his authority over the group, the farm is over-run and the last scene show the group discovering the prison. Oh, and Michonne appears in this episode as well.[/spoiler]
Why did you post that?
It's all over the 'Net, you were bound to find out before the episode actually aired!!!
Nope. Been avoiding all Walking Dead-related anythings like the plague.
Except for this thread.
And this post.
Gaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhh!
Sorry if I ruined your fun!!!
Quote from: Dr. Dog on 13 March, 2012, 12:23:45 PM
Anyway, I wouldn't say it was exaggeratedly stupid. Have you seen the original Dawn of the Dead recently, and that's an ace film.
I was wondering whether they would condense it down into a shorter or feature length version like they did with the Das Boot mini-series.
Just finished watching it on SyFy as it happens, now THERE'S a zombie saga done right, never gets old that movie, Romero just knocked it out of the park! It's a pity he didn't get to do Day of the Dead the way he wanted (read his script for that version, all 166 pages of it, it's online for anyone to read), it certainly would have been considerably more interesting than how that movie ended up... and would have provided a definite and fitting end to the 'Zombie' saga!
Are you talking about condensing Dawn... down to a shorter version? There is a shorter version, in fact, there's no less than three versions; the original 139-minute 'director's cut' (the version shown on SyFy, and the one I think is the definitive cut) edited by Romero and initially screened at the Cannes festival for potential distributors in 1978, the 126-minute theatrical version (Romero's preferred cut), and the 119-minute European version edited by Dario Argento (much too tight, too much cut out). All three versions are available in the Dawn... 'Ultimate Edition' DVD set, hope that helps, Dog dude.
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 13 March, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 13 March, 2012, 07:05:02 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 13 March, 2012, 06:26:46 PM
Season Finale spoilers:
[spoiler] Patricia & Jimmy both die, Rick admits to killing Shane & re-asserts his authority over the group, the farm is over-run and the last scene show the group discovering the prison. Oh, and Michonne appears in this episode as well.[/spoiler]
Why did you post that?
It's all over the 'Net, you were bound to find out before the episode actually aired!!!
Jesus fucking Christ
Quote from: brendan1 on 14 March, 2012, 03:02:27 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 13 March, 2012, 08:00:50 PM
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 13 March, 2012, 07:05:02 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 13 March, 2012, 06:26:46 PM
Season Finale spoilers:
[spoiler] Patricia & Jimmy both die, Rick admits to killing Shane & re-asserts his authority over the group, the farm is over-run and the last scene show the group discovering the prison. Oh, and Michonne appears in this episode as well.[/spoiler]
Why did you post that?
It's all over the 'Net, you were bound to find out before the episode actually aired!!!
Jesus fucking Christ
At me or the spoilers in question?
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 14 March, 2012, 03:33:21 AM
Are you talking about condensing Dawn... down to a shorter version?
Sorry, now that I reread my post, I wasn't that clear. I wouldn't want to condense DoTD. I meant they could condense the Walking Dead the way they condensed the Das Boot TV version into a tight feature length version, even if Das Boot didn't need it.
Thanks for the detailed Romero info, though. I had the DoTD Director's Cut on VHS, which I've since got rid of. I seem to remember there being zombie kids in that one that weren't in other versions. The one I have now is the Italian one called Zombi, the soundtrack of which slightly spoils it compared to the VHS version I had. It's the case of the first one you saw first often being the one you like best.
If a quote is in spoilers then anyone reading only has themselves to blame if they [spoiler]SPOIL[/spoiler] future viewing.
V
Indeed.
Quote from: vzzbux on 14 March, 2012, 09:12:25 PM
If a quote is in spoilers then anyone reading only has themselves to blame if they [spoiler]SPOIL[/spoiler] future viewing.
Right, sure. I agree with that.
But seriously, what was the point of him posting that?
I hovered over the black bar and my laptop highlighted it. When it was highlighted, I read the spoiler before I even realized what I was reading. I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would post spoilers like that, with black bars over them or not...
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 14 March, 2012, 10:07:31 PM
But seriously, what was the point of him posting that?
He's Batson. He likes his spoilers, always has. I do see your point about the black bars - I have a similar problem with images on the review threads: because my default viewing is via 'recently updated topics', images in new posts automatically appear whether I want to read that thread or not, and things once seen cannot be unseen.
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 March, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
Quote from: locustsofdeath! on 14 March, 2012, 10:07:31 PM
But seriously, what was the point of him posting that?
He's Batson. He likes his spoilers, always has. I do see your point about the black bars - I have a similar problem with images on the review threads: because my default viewing is via 'recently updated topics', images in new posts automatically appear whether I want to read that thread or not, and things once seen cannot be unseen.
Sorry, was under the mistaken impression the Finale had already aired in the US since various forums are posting a detailed spoiler filled summary of the episode. You best beware of a host of forums including Digital Spy, GameFAQs and possibly Robert Kirkman's own forums.
... :)
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 March, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
I have a similar problem with images on the review threads: because my default viewing is via 'recently updated topics', images in new posts automatically appear whether I want to read that thread or not
You mentioned this before and I still don't understand what you mean. Whether I go directly into a forum or use Active Topics/Recently Updated all I see is a list of the most recently updated topics flagged if there's a new post. Where do you see this preview?
Has this finished again?
Quite hard to work out what's going on whilst tip-toeing throught these spoilers
Cheers
Chi
Quote from: El Chivo on 18 March, 2012, 01:35:19 PM
Has this finished again?
The season finale is tonight on these shores.
Cheers LoD!
Chi
What am I gonna watch when this finishes? I wonder how long it'll take for them to put the new series together, what with budget restrictions and the personell change.
Finally time to get round to Game of Thrones now.
Quote from: The Cosh on 17 March, 2012, 12:02:41 PMWhether I go directly into a forum or use Active Topics/Recently Updated all I see is a list of the most recently updated topics flagged if there's a new post. Where do you see this preview?
I use this as my bookmark:
http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?action=recent
The text of each most recent post in each thread shows up, and images are visible. It's me own fault, born of habit, not suggesting anyone should work around me!
Quote from: Dr. Dog on 18 March, 2012, 05:47:52 PM
What am I gonna watch when this finishes? I wonder how long it'll take for them to put the new series together, what with budget restrictions and the personell change.
Finally time to get round to Game of Thrones now.
Yep, new Mad Men and Game of Thrones will plug the gap nicely.
BEWARE, HEAVY SPOILERS for the SEASON 2 FINALE follow:
Well, the finale was a lot better than the last few, definitely, but aside from [spoiler]Herschel's near-infinite ammo shotgun[/spoiler] and the group's monumentally stupid [spoiler]let's-drive-around-shooting-random-zombies and always-leave-our-cars-a-good-50m-dash-from-the-house[/spoiler] policies, I think I've worked out my personal problem with the show: the episodes are just too long for the material.
In each one there's a decent 20-30 minutes, but obviously you can't have gunplay, running and chomping for a full hour every week, so you need another half hour of chat and tension building - it's here, in the half-hour soap slot, that the whole thing falls down. The characters are one- or two-dimensional and generally pretty unlikeable, and their time-wastin, stupidity and squabbling just isn't helping me care about them.
Do I care that [spoiler]Patricia and Jimmy got eaten (in Jimmy's case because he went for a wander in the back of the RV and forgot to lock the door)[/spoiler]? No, I have only the vaguest idea who they are - and even Herschel didn't seem that bothered. The same would apply to T-Dogg and that other whiny farmgirl. This is okay in a comic, where I can blast through the pointless people in a few minutes a month, but having to look at their gormless expressions for episode after episode grates. If I'm going to have to spend this much time in their company I want them to be people, not superheroes like Daryl, or plot-devices like Shane, or token set-dressing like T-Dogg.
As others have pointed out, this may just be the weaknesses of the comic writ large.
There's another thing bugging me: while the 'hero' zombies, the ones that shove their faces in ours with budgeted regulalrity, are well done for the most part, the dressing of the background extras is pretty uniformly terrible.
Oh, and the [spoiler]Rick's great non-revelation about the 'infection' (did anyone know that we didn't know this? And how does it explain the two zombie cops anyway?[/spoiler]) and the insultingly blatant baiting of the comics fanbase with [spoiler]the rather cool introduction of Michonne and the dreadful CGI Prison[/spoiler] seemed like a very weak point to leave ordinary viewers at.
So, still not bad enough to give up on, still not as good as it really should be.
I'm only up to the first half season finale (which was great, even if not exactly full of suprises) and it's pretty good stuff for me. I just assume that the people without any character are just Zombie fodder and am not to bothered about them*.
My wee brother noted that t he T in T-Dogg might as well stand for TOKEN though which is pretty poor.
* Though if something like Zulu can make you care about a dozen welsh soldiers in under two hours, you think the script writers of this could sketch some details in.
Just watched it, as I know I wouldn't make it to Friday without somebody on the social media and at work telling me.
I hope all those crying out for action now realise that it does get boring pretty quickly after you watch this episode. I would have [spoiler]used the vehicles as high speed battering rams myself.[/spoiler]
As for [spoiler]Herschel's near-infinite ammo shotgun, he did reload at one point on camera[/spoiler].
Also I quite enjoyed the [spoiler]introduction of Michonne [/spoiler]especially as I haven't read the comics, nice scene out of the blue :o
You said it, CF.
I poke all kinds of fun at this show - because it really is awful - but I do enjoy it. Heck, I tune in every week.
Last night, I couldn't stop thinking: you idiots.
You had a camp in season one. It was overrun by zombies and half your group was devoured.
You stopped on the highway to gather supplies. Your caravan was overrun by zombies and you lost a little girl.
You set up shop at the farmhouse, yet - not learning any lessons thus far - you fail to a) fortify your position b) come up with a contingency plan in case the farm is overrun by zombies (or roving murderer-rapists). Not even so much as stashing a few supplies such as food, water of a jug of gasoline in the cars. Not even so much as a rendezvous point to meet at up later in case the farm is besieged and the group is scattered.
The writing is really maddening.
But I watch the show anyway ;).
Ah, shoot. I should have spoilered the entire post above.
And this after me getting on Batman's Superior Cousin about spoilers.
I apologize, folks. :-[
It is not "awful".
Christ, we of all people should be delighted that a major studio has put so much money and talent behind filming a fucking zombie TV series based on a comic.
It's miles better than we could have dreamed when it was first mooted. But no, as usual, in the true style of the outraged nerd, we try and destroy what we love by endless, borderline insane, nitpicking and griping and then will doubtless moan some more when it gets cancelled.
Is it perfect? 'Course not. Am I delighted and grateful that it is on my telly? Yup.
We need to cherish people who make and fund programmes and films like this. But what do we do? Bitch, watch it on rip-off torrent sites like bloodsucking fucking leeches, fill the web with bile and whinging, and then wonder why nobody makes anything we fucking like any more.
Quote from: brendan1 on 20 March, 2012, 09:13:10 AM
It is not "awful".
Christ, we of all people should be delighted that a major studio has put so much money and talent behind filming a fucking zombie TV series based on a comic.
It's miles better than we could have dreamed when it was first mooted. But no, as usual, in the true style of the outraged nerd, we try and destroy what we love by endless, borderline insane, nitpicking and griping and then will doubtless moan some more when it gets cancelled.
Is it perfect? 'Course not. Am I delighted and grateful that it is on my telly? Yup.
We need to cherish people who make and fund programmes and films like this. But what do we do? Bitch, watch it on rip-off torrent sites like bloodsucking fucking leeches, fill the web with bile and whinging, and then wonder why nobody makes anything we fucking like any more.
Gotta agree with Brendan Block here. So far it's not scaled the heights of BSG, The Wire or Sopranos, and it looks like it never will, but that said I've found it gripping and always entertaining. I don't think the criticisms of being like a soap when the zombies aren't around are accurate either, and for me Shane was way more than just a plot device (largely down to Bernthal's handling of the character).
Anyway, you don't always want to watch a 10/10 do you? Sometimes you'd rather watch a 7 or an 8. I mean, I'd give Terrence Malick's 'The Thin Red Line' a perfect 10, but I'm not always in the mood for spectacular cinematography, meandering plot and existential soul-searching on the battlefield. Sometimes I want 'Big Trouble in Little China'.
I'm not going to address Brendan's request that we all sing naught but hymns of praise for any above-average genre show that hoves into view, but I will tackle my thoughts on Shane. SPOILERS FOLLOW.
[spoiler]Berenthal gave us a brilliant performance, and the decision to keep Shane alive for two seasons was absolutely the right one - he was my favourite character for most of it. What I object to is the way all his internal turmoil was suddenly dispensed with in order to serve a very artificially constructed plot. Let me explain how I see it:
In fatherly mode Shane insists Carl keep Daryl's gun the theft of which directly resulted in the death of Dale. For no obvious reason Shane finally decides to kill Rick (presumably because it's the penultimate episode), and to do so in the manner most easily detected by the group, by freeing and then killing Randall (remember that he apparently doesn't know Randall will come back as a walker) in such a way that Hawkeye Daryl will be able to glance briefly at their tracks and the body and point the finger at him. He then takes Rick to a field in full view of the house, so much so that Carl can see them at night, and goes to kill him at just the point when a gunshot will attract a wandering horde and push the plot forward. But hey, he still can't do it, so we've actually moved nowhere beyond the wrench-throwing incident.
Anyway, conveniently Carl sees them, arrives just in time to successfully use the gun Shane forced on him to kill ZombieShane, the same gun he unsuccessfully tried to use on Dale's killer, but oh no! This time, even though they save a good guy rather than kill one, his actions bring down a whole horde of zombies! The irony! The pathos! The symmetry! Err, what was that bit about Shane again?
Didn't the end of Shane's story basically become a plot device to get the show from state (a) to (b) in a 'clever' way, rather than the resolution of the complex and interesting character he'd become? Well, that was what I took from it anyway. The reason this matters is that the show is about the survivors, and if their stories aren't interesting in and of themselves, they just become fodder to die at dramatically appropriate points, and all you are left with is 30 mins of running and dying and 30 minutes of making chicken salad. My concern isn't that it's like a soap, it's that it isn't.[/spoiler]
And I obviously wouldn't be watching this show and buying the boxsets if I didn't think it was worthwhile and entertaining, worth supporting, and worth my time criticising where it goes wrong. You don't see me criticising other genre shows like Ghost Whisperer or Sanctuary or Terra Nova, do you? There's a reason for that, and it's not because I think they're perfect.
Quote from: brendan1 on 20 March, 2012, 09:13:10 AM
It is not "awful".
Christ, we of all people should be delighted that a major studio has put so much money and talent behind filming a fucking zombie TV series based on a comic.
It's miles better than we could have dreamed when it was first mooted. But no, as usual, in the true style of the outraged nerd, we try and destroy what we love by endless, borderline insane, nitpicking and griping and then will doubtless moan some more when it gets cancelled.
Is it perfect? 'Course not. Am I delighted and grateful that it is on my telly? Yup.
We need to cherish people who make and fund programmes and films like this. But what do we do? Bitch, watch it on rip-off torrent sites like bloodsucking fucking leeches, fill the web with bile and whinging, and then wonder why nobody makes anything we fucking like any more.
Two words : Doctor Who.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 20 March, 2012, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: brendan1 on 20 March, 2012, 09:13:10 AM
It is not "awful".
Christ, we of all people should be delighted that a major studio has put so much money and talent behind filming a fucking zombie TV series based on a comic.
It's miles better than we could have dreamed when it was first mooted. But no, as usual, in the true style of the outraged nerd, we try and destroy what we love by endless, borderline insane, nitpicking and griping and then will doubtless moan some more when it gets cancelled.
Is it perfect? 'Course not. Am I delighted and grateful that it is on my telly? Yup.
We need to cherish people who make and fund programmes and films like this. But what do we do? Bitch, watch it on rip-off torrent sites like bloodsucking fucking leeches, fill the web with bile and whinging, and then wonder why nobody makes anything we fucking like any more.
Two words : Doctor Who.
Ah yes, but I wasn't moaning about logic or continuity or discussing metaphysical concepts
I just said I found Moffat's attempts to distance himself from RTD and Tennant's Who by making it too fucking complicated and at times almost impossible to follow UNLESS you're an obsessive fan
I miss episodes of dr who occasionally. And it's never been a problem before. With Moffat and Smith, I missed one or two and had no fucking clue what was happening. The overall story arc with Rory and Amy and the amount of times they died, or were clones or were pregnant or whatever, was an incoherent mess
That said Matt Smith grew on me, Amy was ace, but I still hate river song
And I still love the show
Well I'm up to Episode 10 and still loving it. Plenty of Zombie action, plenty of simple character stuff (though background characters still need sketching in a bit more), plenty of moral dilemmas and plenty of manly confrontation. Shane and Rick's [spoiler]slapdown in the bus depot place [/spoiler] was particularly good. And top marks for whoever came up with the zombie [spoiler]through the windscreen [/spoiler] sequence.
It has me gripped - I sat down to watch 1 episode and ended up watching 3. I can understand the characters getting all hot headed and running off to do things themselves that they had previously told people not to do (people are like that).
But I do have a massive problem with why they don't [spoiler]fortify the farm[/spoiler]. I don't even recall it being raised and surely could have been dealt with by a simple scene with Herschel saying "No thanks".
And why they don't have contingency planning - though there are indications that they are only just starting to think "long term" when Rick and Shane do the knife thing in preference to shooting.
But it's aces. I'm going to get me the box set so I can actually watch it with the dialogue in synch.
I loved the last episode. As usual the bits that annoyed me were petty niggles that nagged at the suspension of disbelief, like [spoiler]Herschel's ammunition count and the supreme headshot-nailing marksmanship of all involved[/spoiler], but on my mentioning these my wife said: "Yeah, like zombies are real."
Having now watched the first few Game of Thrones S1 episodes, I think that is the higher quality show, but I enjoy Walking Dead more because it redeems itself in quality just when it seems to be too late. Also, it's set in a believable world. Not being much of a fantasy fan, I find myself snorting at all the daft names and formality of GoT.
Got no problem with superfluous background characters cluttering up the set because they are merely there for our [spoiler]mindless zombie carnage viewing pleasure[/spoiler]. That way those integral to the plot can give us a 3rd series.
Quote from: brendan1 on 20 March, 2012, 09:13:10 AM
It is not "awful".
Well, that is a bit subjective.
I watch the show with a smile on my face. Most importantly - I watch the show.
But I certainly don't think it's
good. My favorite films are Italian zombie exploitation films like Zombie Flesh Eaters, Burial Ground and City of Living Dead - I don't think they're
good either, but I watch them. It's entertainment, and I'm entertained.
(and the same goes for the comics - I've been reading since the first issue, and they're quite entertaining, but the writing can be downright
awful at times)
We should all be rejoicing. They finally left that bloody farm!
Locust - tell me Michonne's entrance didn't have you grinning from ear-to-ear?
Spoilers to finale/comic follow and how the conversation should have went...
[spoiler]Lori – You killed Shane, shocking stuff!
Rick – You as good as asked me to do it 2 episodes ago
Lori – And then our son killed zombie Shane, shocking stuff!
Rick – Yes he saved my life while he was out wandering at night, oh and this was all under your supervision (again) YOU WHINY FUCKING BITCH!
I cannot wait for her to get eaten.[/spoiler]
I still enjoy it even though zombie land appears to be populated by a bunch of fuckwits.
Quote from: mygrimmbrother on 21 March, 2012, 12:57:43 PM
Locust - tell me Michonne's entrance didn't have you grinning from ear-to-ear?
And this is what's so maddening - I saw that and thought "Finally! A character I'll love!" ...and then I go to imdb and find 800 threads on how she's too unrealistic for the show! Ha!
So that character was a woman :o
[spoiler]Shane Dead [/spoiler] - Check
[spoiler]Micchone[/spoiler] - Check
[spoiler]Prison[/spoiler] - Check
Inner Geek satisfied
Chi
Quote from: Satanist on 21 March, 2012, 01:54:11 PM
[spoiler]I cannot wait for her to get eaten.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Lori's death[/spoiler] in the comics is a truly horrible kick in the stomach, in the TV series it'll be a cause for celebration. The sooner Rick[spoiler] shacks up with Andrea[/spoiler] the better - that there's a real wumman (wonder how she'll take [spoiler]Shane's death[/spoiler]?).
Seeing as this thread is all about the TV Series, how about not revealing possible things to come from the comic. I just opened those spoilers thinking it was about something we have just watched, just a thought!
Ah sorry! I did say comic but yer right. Its not strictly following the comic so hope I didnt spoil too much.
Phew, glad I didnt mention the [spoiler]zombie alien abduction[/spoiler] plot twist cos thats the best bit!
:-X sorry
It wasn't yours as that looked like wishful thinking from you, it was Tordelback actually [spoiler]confirming that persons death[/spoiler]
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 21 March, 2012, 06:51:41 PM
Seeing as this thread is all about the TV Series, how about not revealing possible things to come from the comic. I just opened those spoilers thinking it was about something we have just watched, just a thought!
Really, really sorry about that CF, thought I was being clear enough with the '...in the comics' bit, but you're absolutely right, it was too major a spoiler to be so casual about. Won't happen again.
I too am shaking a finger in your direction Tord.
V
Aargh, sorry V. :-[ It's probably safest that you assume that everyone dies in the comics, and just move on from there...
Just pulling your pisser Tord. I am guessing the survival rate is going to be pretty slim anyway.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 21 March, 2012, 08:42:13 PM
Just pulling your pisser...
I've been praying someone would, but why did it have to be you?
Quote from: mygrimmbrother on 20 March, 2012, 09:31:54 AM
Gotta agree with Brendan Block here. So far it's not scaled the heights of BSG, The Wire or Sopranos, and it looks like it never will, but that said I've found it gripping and always entertaining. I don't think the criticisms of being like a soap when the zombies aren't around are accurate either, and for me Shane was way more than just a plot device (largely down to Bernthal's handling of the character).
Anyway, you don't always want to watch a 10/10 do you? Sometimes you'd rather watch a 7 or an 8. I mean, I'd give Terrence Malick's 'The Thin Red Line' a perfect 10, but I'm not always in the mood for spectacular cinematography, meandering plot and existential soul-searching on the battlefield. Sometimes I want 'Big Trouble in Little China'.
I fully understand your viewpoint, but the fact is that TWD just plain bored me, the sole reason I gave up on it, and I really wanted to love it, the first two (Frank Darabont-directed, no coincidence) episodes were truly outstanding, but ever since then, it's been more like an insomnia remedy, it has been little more than an overly melodramatic, glorified soap opera with zombies in it, in my humble opinion, but then again, so was 24 (minus the zombies, of course), but at least THAT was outrageously entertaining all the way through... and in regards to Big Trouble In Little China, at least that's far from boring , who wouldn't want classic Carpenter!?
Has anyone else figured out that Scott Wilson, the actor who plays Herschel, also played Pa Angel in the 1995 Judge Dredd 'adaptation' (inverted commas intentional), or am I just slow on the uptake...?
Totally missed that, although it's obvious once you know it, thanks Beaky. I eagerly await Maggie getting the dial-and-claw combo and Beth going off to live in a hole.
To complain that WD isnt as good as some of the best TV ever made is a bit pointless no? You may as well moan that 99% of films still arent as good as Citizen Kane.
WD IS a soap opera with zombies, its the same as the comic except the characters are dumber. Whenever I finish one of the issues I nearly always hear the Eastenders end theme due to the cliffhanger nature.
Doh! Pa Angel - I've been wondering where I'd seen him before all this time. He's a top bit of casting.
I really don't get the "boring" bit. I think it has enough character/soap stuff between the zombies to make you care about (most of the) people when the zombies attack - even if it's that you HOPE they'll get eaten.
Surely all the character stuff remphasises what the comics are about; the bit on the back of each book about "Without your TV and your computers and distractions - How would you get along with your fellow man?"
I really don't find it boring. Where as, for all it's sound and fury. I find the opening 30 mins of "Revenge of the Sith" spectacularly boring.
It's lots of nameless people fighting each other with the exception of two characters (3 if you count the droids) you know will survive intact and unscathed. There's not even a sense of "How will they get out of this?" because it's been long established that Jedi are superheroes and robots and the Star Wars universe as scripted by George is incredibly dumb (Why don't the Buzz droids just, you know, explode and blow up the fighters? And yeah, it is possible to pilot half a plane/spaceship.).
Now I've brought Star Wars into the debate I suppose I had better add that in some way, people who disagree with me, are like Hitler.
(And I may be mistaken think we've had more zombie action per episode than in the first series).
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 22 March, 2012, 01:14:22 PM
I really don't find it boring. Where as, for all it's sound and fury. I find the opening 30 mins of "Revenge of the Sith" spectacularly boring.
Hear, hear. I guess that those who dislike this show are mostly fans of the original comic? I've never read it and for me TWD is just about the best thing on telly.
By way of summary and closure:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-best-memes-from-the-walking-dead-season-two (http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-best-memes-from-the-walking-dead-season-two)
Quote from: Dudley on 22 March, 2012, 03:46:49 PM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 22 March, 2012, 01:14:22 PM
I really don't find it boring. Where as, for all it's sound and fury. I find the opening 30 mins of "Revenge of the Sith" spectacularly boring.
Hear, hear. I guess that those who dislike this show are mostly fans of the original comic? I've never read it and for me TWD is just about the best thing on telly.
I'm a fan of the comic - and a fan of the show, much as I take the piss out of it. To be quite honest, I think the both comic and the show have the same problems* - mainly lots of talky talky and stupid character behavior**...but those problems are more easily overlooked in the comic.
* There is, however, less cutting of carrots and washing of laundry in the comics.
** I personally think Rick is the stupidest protagonist in comics history; (
comics spoilers forthcoming, CF) and [spoiler]I cannot believe that anyone would continue to follow him after his countless bad decisions have gotten so many folks devoured by zombies...recently, after a mother and her child were ripped apart because of Rick, he gave a big speech along the lines of "we'll do better next time" and everyone seemed on board - comic Dale at one point even makes sure his last words applaud Rick's leadership[/spoiler]. Silly stuff.
Quote from: Satanist on 22 March, 2012, 09:49:52 AM
TWD IS a soap opera with zombies, its the same as the comic except the characters are dumber. Whenever I finish one of the issues I nearly always hear the Eastenders end theme due to the cliffhanger nature.
Gotcha, never read the comic, soap-opera-with-zombies it is, then...
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 22 March, 2012, 01:14:22 PM
Now I've brought Star Wars into the debate I suppose I had better add that in some way, people who disagree with me, are like Hitler.
You couldn't let it lie, could ya, bringing THOSE BLOODY MOVIES (PT not OT) into the debate :D ? You're not a viewer of Fox News' Red Eye programme are you, that Hitler comment is basically an oft-used quip by that show's host Greg Gutfeld?
Was pretty happy with the way that all ended. I think they shot themselves in the foot by not [spoiler]having any MAJOR character deaths[/spoiler] in the actual finale [spoiler]but who else could they have got rid of?[/spoiler]
I'm pretty sure I saw Herschel reloading twice.
Really liked the whole Andrea sequence and the way it was resolved wasn't comic fan baiting in the slightest - oretty standard stuff for an end of season finale of a TV show.
(The Prison less so - but I'd like to see if a normal person that saw it recognised it as a prison and what their thoughts were before I accuse it of being fanbait.)
I like the way that Rick has is no longer taking advice from his conflicting "Angels" [spoiler]("Survival of The Fittest" Shane and "Why Can't we all get along" Dale)[/spoiler]
Some of the same gripes as everybody else but I'm now actually putting some of these down to a combination of compression and cost cutting.
When does everybody get so good at shooting guns? Well, we had a scene of them going off to practice earlier and I now assume that they've done this a few times and every body gets better. Do we really want to see them doing target practice every week? Possibly - if you involve some character discussion at same time. (Not sure about the brilliant headshots from moving cars - but Glen does say he can't hit anything at one point, I think).
Why didn't they fortify the farm? Again, we had one scene of them going to check the fences were intact and also Jimmy doing a periter sweep for zombies in the swampy ground. So again, can we assume that these things get done regularly?
Now it might be better if you could have had all of the various character conversations taking place with the fence fortifying or gun practice activites going on in the background. Two birds with one stone. But that costs money.
So they have the character chats while making chicken soup and doing laundry which is much cheaper to film. And I'm imaginging they do the other stuff as well.
But the way they let Carl roam about is unforgiveable and doubly unbelievable in a zombie infested world.
And I still have an issue that the characters aren't particularly likeable for the most part (but Glenn, Maggie and Andrea hardly put a foot wrong) but then again, who says we have to like them? I don't like Rick in the Comics either.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 28 March, 2012, 12:42:17 PM
Really liked the whole Andrea sequence and the way it was resolved wasn't comic fan baiting in the slightest - oretty standard stuff for an end of season finale of a TV show.
(The Prison less so - but I'd like to see if a normal person that saw it recognised it as a prison and what their thoughts were before I accuse it of being fanbait.)
I'll answer as a "normal person", mostly. I've got the first GN but didn't feel compelled to get any more, or more like I didn't feel compelled to continue buying something that was obviousy going to be strung out as long as possible. I did like it, but not massively. Anyhoo, I recognised it as a prison, but part of that was knowing that there was a major character called "The Governor" going to appear at some point. Loved the other character that as you say, was obvious fan-bait, but it worked on me too. "Cooooool", I thought :D
Otherwise I'm glad it's over, finding too many characters way too annoying. Puts Voyager to shame :lol:
Anything that we want to know
From just a beginner to a pro,
You need a montage
Ooh its gonna takes a montage
I'm not sure what comics fans are moaning about, as everyone is as annoying and illogical as they were in the comics, though when a couple of characters bought it in the finale, I didn't know who they were - had they actually appeared before that point?[spoiler] I'm also a bit confused why everyone is shocked by the revelation that when they die they will become zombies, though this in itself begs the question "if everyone is infected already, why does a zombie bite turn them?" I'm sure there's some sort of science-y explanation about zombies being incubators for the virus to mature or something, but explaining this onscreen will surely turn the show into overt sci-fi? Not sure if want. Also happy to see Rick stopped short of spelling out for the audience "we are the walking dead", which was a thirty-page speech he made in the comics that was the absolute low point of the books for me.[/spoiler]
Still, alongside Spartacus this is one of the funniest cartoons on tv at the minute, and most criticisms (my own included) are best ignored as you let it wash over you and pretend you're ten again and watching some badly-dubbed euro-zombie flick the video* store has no qualms about renting to you. All Walking Dead needs is a zombie vs shark battle and I'll be in hog heaven.
* Yes, VIDEO. If you are under twenty, you may have to Google what this is.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 28 March, 2012, 12:42:17 PM(The Prison less so - but I'd like to see if a normal person that saw it recognised it as a prison and what their thoughts were before I accuse it of being fanbait.)
Someone I work with watches the show but knows nothing about the comics and she didn't instantly recognise it as a prison. She was unsure about what it could be and just said it was maybe a military base, shopping mall, prison, etc....
I thought the Zombie bite [spoiler]just killed them with some sort of infection/fever type thing but it was the been dead bit that activated the virus that made you a walker. [/spoiler]
That is so.
Just finished season 2, with a four episode marathon tonight. Each to their own and all that, but i cant believe some of the pissant whining on here. The greatest comic in history is the greatest tv show ever made, it's really very simple. 'Soap opera with zombies', pah, that's called 'having characters you want to follow'. As for Carl's wandering- he's a brat who wanders, and as deranged as his father. Try to keep up. Yes, there are few 'likeable' characters- darryl aside- but that's kind of the point. They dont have to be likeable to be compelling.
Glad Hershell's Farm story was told at the pace it was, which entirely suited it, and have never once been 'bored' throughout. Far from 'stupid', Walking Dead is the only show on tv worth the effort to watch, and i shall now go back to not watching any until season three this autumn.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 01 April, 2012, 11:41:55 PM
The greatest comic in history is the greatest tv show ever made, it's really very simple.
He said on a
2000 AD forum... uh, Judge Dredd, SBT dude!?
Beaky, grud no, not Dredd. Dredd has never been the main reason i read the prog.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 01 April, 2012, 11:41:55 PM
...Far from 'stupid', Walking Dead is the only show on tv worth the effort to watch, and i shall now go back to not watching any until season three this autumn.
SBT
Best April fools post evah!!!
***wipes tears from eyes***
I mean I like the comic and like the tv show but both best examples of each?
At a time when Mad Men has just started up again and Game of Thrones kicks of that statement is hilarious.
And then to follow up with "Grud no, not Dredd" wow!
You almost had me mate, brilliant!
Heh, there are many many strips i'd rescue before Dredd in a hypothetical disaster- Slaine would be first, obviously, but Flesh, Shako, Nemesis, ABCs, Savage, Revere- all would be higher priority for me, im afraid.
As for Mad Men and Game of Thrones- like Lost, Heroes, The Sopranos, The Wire, 24, The West Wing, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica and umpteen others, they literally inspire no interest whatsoever. Sorry, i'd rather watch a dvd of Porridge, Steptoe or the original Twilight Zone, than bother with any of them.
SBT
I'm with you on original Twilight Zone though. Just spent the last year working through them along with Tales from the Crypt.
Some top stuff in there.
Might do Outer Limits next.
Every year for the past seven years, my mother-in-law has sent me a season boxset of Tales From The Crypt for either xmas or my birthday. Except last year, when she didnt. As a result, i am now lacking the final season and unable to watch the cheapo uk-version that killed one of my favourite shows.
And yes, im also thinking of going for The Outer Limits soon- after ive gone through all of the sublime Masters of Horror. You can probably see why advertising men and beardie gits hitting each other with swords holds me in no thrall.
SBT
I don't know what I was thinking, offering a personal opinion that Walking Dead is merely okay. I guess last week was just such a crazy time to be alive, I even had long hair - some of it on my face! - and I guess that kind of counter-cultural bohemian behaviour went to my head and I occasionally took it too far, but I have like, a mortgage now and I vote Conservative. I like to think I've grown.
It will be on Channel 5 soon!!
Series 2 on Channel 5 tonight at 10pm...
Quote from: Goaty on 14 May, 2012, 09:06:16 PM
Series 2 on Channel 5 tonight at 10pm...
Yep, feature length too! I'm looking forward to it.
So it is. i'd totally forgotten about this. Wanted to tape it as well - but im already taping summat else. Anyone know if Ch5 repeat episodes later in the week?
Quote from: Judge Jack on 14 May, 2012, 10:41:26 PM
So it is. i'd totally forgotten about this. Wanted to tape it as well - but im already taping summat else. Anyone know if Ch5 repeat episodes later in the week?
5* tomorrow at 10pm
Ah many thanks Goaty. Ill stop watching now, as ive already missed a good bit of the beginning, and tape n watch tomorrow.
Great opener for Season 2! :)
How slow was last nights episode! i felt like switching over to much character development not enough action if the comic was this slow Rick would still be in the hospital ;)
First picture of Michonne (Danai Gurira)
(http://ewinsidetv.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/walking-dead-michonne_510.jpg)
Grud, goaty, for someone with such a spoiler-phobia for the judge dredd film, you arent half quick to post massive spoilers on the wd thread!
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 23 May, 2012, 06:39:14 PM
Grud, goaty, for someone with such a spoiler-phobia for the judge dredd film, you arent half quick to post massive spoilers on the wd thread!
SBT
It's character of the Walking Dead comic, how it can be spolier?
Because anyone watching the series on 5- where wd will receive its biggest uk audience- and avoiding spoilers, wont have a clue that an actress has been cast as michonne. The mere fact that michonne has been cast suggests pretty much how series two will end- which is still weeks away for non-satellite/pirate viewers.
Sorry to be pedantic here, but i avoided this thread until i'd seen all of series two for precisely this reason. Anyone watching for the first time, who knows the comics now has a pretty good idea where we are headed, despite the first half of the series going out of its way to wrongfoot the comic-readership.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 23 May, 2012, 06:56:00 PM
The mere fact that michonne has been cast suggests pretty much how series two will end
I'd have said precisely the opposite, given that the casting has just now been revealed and Series 2 has already aired in the States.
For different reasons (Season 3 reasons) I do think the image should've been spoiler-tagged, but having watched all of Season 2 it really
isn't a spoiler for that, even for those of us who can't help but extrapolate from the comic.
Oh I am sorry, your right, but wish there is spoiler type hidden of pictures, it was out today on tweet from three media mags I follow, some friends send me this picture too.
Well she looks right casting choice for Michonne.
Hope people still enjoy the first half of Season 2! Not sure if Channel 5 doing 3 months break too at middle of season?
For what it's worth, I think the actress looks GREAT in the role.
Also for what it's worth, I felt season two, outside of one or two episodes, was absolutely dreadful; but call me crazy, I have very high hopes for season three now that all the production turmoil is out of the way.
this appears too this morning, Behind the scenes on Season 3 of the Walking Dead,
and for people who watch the Season 2 on TV, PLEASE DONT CLICK ON IT AS VERY VERY SPOILER!!!!
[spoiler]It's got cells...[/spoiler]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yqlyyihVxQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yqlyyihVxQ)
It's okay goaty, im just sore because i cant see the picture as im on my phone! And locusts- you're plainly mad. Everyone- locusts is mad, back away slowly. Now- run!
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Hey! I said "call me crazy", not "call me mad"!
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 23 May, 2012, 06:56:00 PM
Because anyone watching the series on 5- where wd will receive its biggest uk audience- and avoiding spoilers, wont have a clue that an actress has been cast as michonne. The mere fact that michonne has been cast suggests pretty much how series two will end- which is still weeks away for non-satellite/pirate viewers.
Sorry to be pedantic here, but i avoided this thread until i'd seen all of series two for precisely this reason. Anyone watching for the first time, who knows the comics now has a pretty good idea where we are headed, despite the first half of the series going out of its way to wrongfoot the comic-readership.
SBT
I think that anyone moaning that "an actress has been cast as Michonne" is a spoiler and "pretty much suggests how series 2 will end" needs to get a fucking grip.
How strange things are, the only programme we watch as a family :-[.
Still Minimini Huff has given up after this weeks show due to 'the lack of zombies' [spoiler](one fat one: not well :D)[/spoiler] and 'the soap opera repeating of stuff over and over', Still the collected issue 16 A larger World is in FP today.
I'm assuming that farm is made out to be sooo perfect: white bread, hot water, mega clean and tidy due to [spoiler]what's hidden in the barn?[/spoiler]
Season 3 confirmed this autumn for us FX viewer's :D
Plus they've released a picture of the Governer :o
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 08 June, 2012, 06:26:39 AM
Season 3 confirmed this autumn for us FX viewer's :D
Plus they've released a picture of the Governer :o
[spoiler]
Looks like he is leader of that group in season 2[/spoiler]
The Governor;
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=34219 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=34219)
What I loved best about The Guv in the comics was how much he looked like Major Bludd from GI JOE :D This Govenor looks like a wimp!
According to Den of Geek, Robert Kirkman told TV Guide "The Governor in the show is definitely going to be the Governor in the comic [...] We are not going to be watering him down." So he's still going to be a [spoiler]Right Bastard[/spoiler]. Looking forward to this then.
Stew.
Quote from: HOO-HAA on 09 June, 2012, 03:55:43 PM
What I loved best about The Guv in the comics was how much he looked like Major Bludd from GI JOE :D This Govenor looks like a wimp!
Naa, David's the man for this job. He has a great screen presence, is pretty solid physically and one of our best actors. I can easily see him carrying off the role if it stays the same as the comic.
It's good episode tonight on Channel 5, as [spoiler]it's Daryl's show...[/spoiler]
Quote from: Goaty on 11 June, 2012, 12:09:21 PM
It's good episode tonight on Channel 5, as [spoiler]it's Daryl's show...[/spoiler]
Does it have a high Zombie count? Trying to get Minimini Huff back on board
Quote from: Proudhuff on 11 June, 2012, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 11 June, 2012, 12:09:21 PM
It's good episode tonight on Channel 5, as [spoiler]it's Daryl's show...[/spoiler]
Does it have a high Zombie count? Trying to get Minimini Huff back on board
Not a [spoiler]Hoard[/spoiler] but there are [spoiler]sufficient to put ***** through the wringer.[/spoiler]
I thought it was a great episode.
Stew.
at last someone's [spoiler]looked in the barn![/spoiler] that and the nod that it was Daryll and [spoiler]his Brother[/spoiler] episode kept MMHuff on board for next week, thanks guys!
Must say, I'm enjoying Season 2 on Channel 5. Heard a lot of bad press about it from those watching on FX but I'm pretty much sold to date. The character dynamics are really good across the board, but in particular with Daryl's character - who shone really well in last night's episode.
Quote from: HOO-HAA on 12 June, 2012, 07:30:37 PM
Must say, I'm enjoying Season 2 on Channel 5. Heard a lot of bad press about it from those watching on FX but I'm pretty much sold to date. The character dynamics are really good across the board, but in particular with Daryl's character - who shone really well in last night's episode.
I agree. The recent episode was excellent* and the one I saw before that, which was actually a couple of weeks back. You, know, the two guys in the school and
that ending. [spoiler](Mark Millar take note. That's how to do a shock twist without making it cheap. Don't mind me, a bit of slippage from the Comic Day thread there...[/spoiler]).
Annoyingly I missed last week's episode. I tried to catch up on 5's On Demand service online but the episode had been taken down!
Oh, and my though on the hallucinatory stuff in the last episode, [spoiler]I don't think that was entirely an hallucination. Mind you, I guess that's pretty much proven considering the ears...[/spoiler]
*Although I think it's a bit of a stretch that [spoiler]nobody heard any noises when passing the barn.. but maybe they did. As I said above, I missed last week's episode.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Mardroid on 13 June, 2012, 06:18:09 PM
Oh, and my though on the hallucinatory stuff in the last episode, [spoiler]I don't think that was entirely an hallucination. Mind you, I guess that's pretty much proven considering the ears...[/spoiler]
and the fact that [spoiler]his brother talked about "the man who made me cut off my hand" when he clearly still had two![/spoiler]
I'm also enjoying season 2 - I missed most of the first season and it's been a while since I read the comics, so I can't tell what's been changed and what I've just forgotten. It does seem to be advancing at a very slow pace though - it's going to be years before they get anywhere near catching up.
incidently
[spoiler]Guess whos back in season 3?[/spoiler]
Dante?
Quote from: The monarch on 14 June, 2012, 03:35:26 PM
incidently
[spoiler]Guess whos back in season 3?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Big bro? If so, I'm guessing he's part of the gov's troupe. [/spoiler]
There's a photo of him on line, he looks 'armless
Poor chicken!
I noticed this episode that the barn is further away than I first thought.
Unfortunately everything in that episode DID happen in the comic so no surprises!
MiniminiHuff has stopped watching 'not enough zombies' while the Memsahib has stopped as 'There's too much gore' , so its me and tha cat now ( and he looked bored, except for the chicken bit) sheeesk.
It's not gore that puts Mrs Tips off, it's just anything scary. Though I'm sure the gore would also put her off if I ever managed to remove that first blocker.
Finding this pretty slow going. I'll keep watching, but if I miss an episode for any reason I can't imagine I'll be too bothered. In fact, I did miss the third or fourth episode, but picked it up again the week after to find absolutely nothing of note seemed to have happened in it except that Glenn had boffed the farm chick. Like in the first series, I just don't really care about that many of the characters, and the few I like aren't getting anything good to do.
I'm also working my way through my Deadwood and Battlestar Galactica boxsets at the moment - average one episode a week - and Walking Dead is coming off awfully badly in comparison.
I'm still enjoying it although point taken about not a whole lot having happened except 'Glenn boffing the farm chick'. I missed that episode too.
I ended up missing a chunk of this episode though as a mate called and chatted away... sigh. I was tempted to just put the phone down, but... well.. that'd be rude. I think I might switch my phone off when I'm watching stuff like this though.
Oh, that kid seems to be pretty lively all of a sudden. How long have they actually been at the farm in their 'real' time?
One criticism I have: I think Shane is being portrayed a bit too nasty. I know he is a kind of counterpoint to Rick much as he is in the comics, but I think they may need to tone that down a tad.
Hope you all enjoy last night episode? Good news, that next episode is next week not three months later!
Quote from: Goaty on 26 June, 2012, 11:22:02 PM
Hope you all enjoy last night episode?
Yes I did. [spoiler]And what a gutshot ending, it had! I thought that the girl may turn out to have been kidnapped by the hillbilly's older brother. That was quite a shocking surprise.[/spoiler]
Yip, great ending, I'd about gave up halfway through but a second bottle of Stella helped get me through the Deadenders bits... :D
they were obviously saving up the budget from all those weak episodes to spend of that [spoiler]zombie massacre[/spoiler], and the [spoiler]wee girl bit [/spoiler] was wondefully done, I'd expected a [spoiler]happy ending [/spoiler] there, but that tied up so many plot threads and had some emotional punch unlike the ongoing debating society stuff.
As for the comic, its now on a three week cycle and issue 99 has one page of zombies and the rest talking heads, hopefully issue 100 will be what Capt kirk has been promising for the last ten issues.
I really don't understand the problem with the lack of zombies in The Walking Dead- both comic and TV versions. Is it really so hard to understand that "the walking dead" refers to Rick's merry band as much as it does to the zoms? It's even been spelled out in huge massive 148pt text at the end of one of the early volumes. It's the characters the readership is interested in, the apocalypse was just the means to get them together.
However, I have noticed that the three weekly schedule seems to have had an effect on Charlie Adlard's art- with #99 looking decidedly dodgy in parts. The sooner they get back to the monthly routine, the better, I reckon. But, knowing Kirkman, I am EXTREMELY concerned as to where we will be at the end of #100. I wouldn't put it past him to stop the series then and there, unexpectedly, to concentrate on the more-lucrative tv and videogame versions, despite claiming the comic "is not even halfway through yet" an issue or so back. The letter in the back of #99 guessing where he was going to take it post #100 was slightly annoying, if only because I was thinking along similar lines- and its printing suggests quite strongly that it's bollocks.
Oh well. Two weeks and counting...
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 27 June, 2012, 01:23:15 PM
I really don't understand the problem with the lack of zombies in The Walking Dead- both comic and TV versions. Is it really so hard to understand that "the walking dead" refers to Rick's merry band as much as it does to the zoms? It's even been spelled out in huge massive 148pt text at the end of one of the early volumes. It's the characters the readership is interested in, the apocalypse was just the means to get them together.
However, I have noticed that the three weekly schedule seems to have had an effect on Charlie Adlard's art- with #99 looking decidedly dodgy in parts. The sooner they get back to the monthly routine, the better, I reckon. But, knowing Kirkman, I am EXTREMELY concerned as to where we will be at the end of #100. I wouldn't put it past him to stop the series then and there, unexpectedly, to concentrate on the more-lucrative tv and videogame versions, despite claiming the comic "is not even halfway through yet" an issue or so back. The letter in the back of #99 guessing where he was going to take it post #100 was slightly annoying, if only because I was thinking along similar lines- and its printing suggests quite strongly that it's bollocks.
Oh well. Two weeks and counting...
SBT
I think Kirkman knows that he needs to keep writing the comics in order to have enough material for all the other "more lucrative" platforms.
Or perhaps that should be "I hope".
Yeah, me too. Im absolutely sure there will be a #101, but with a series like walking dead, "absolutely sure" becomes a relative term, existing as it does on massive, horrifying shocks.
SBT
Well, most people coming to the comics do so through the trade collections, as something with "#99" on the cover will hardly make the average punter think he's getting the early part of a story - if anything, high cover numbers would turn casual browsers away.
If digital availability isn't profitable enough and they want to really push the physical comics as individual monthly sales, I guess having #100 as the last issue of "volume 1" isn't a crazy idea (if only because Kirkman hints they're near a "halfway point" for the story), though with the tv show off the air I don't know what they'd be capitalising on to launch volume 2 - the videogame?
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 27 June, 2012, 01:23:15 PM
Is it really so hard to understand that "the walking dead" refers to Rick's merry band as much as it does to the zoms?
SBT
I for one not only understand it, but am a bit yawnsville everytime its repeated, yes we get it
They are the walking dead and it affects every decision they debate... endlessly, if there wasn't the threat of zombies outside and this comic was repackaged as the life and loves of a small Cul-de-sac of people starting up trade talks with the next village(which it has been for a while with little else) few would buy it.
and while I'm at it :D petrol? how much do they have? no-one every sooks it out of other cars, and how are they all so healthy looking? and don't get me started on their salt intake...
If apocalyptic zombie fiction isnt your thing, there's little point going out of your way to 'get' walking dead. Such fiction is insanely popular at present, and has been for the best part of a decade (if not more), so is unlikely to go anywhere just yet. It's not just comics and movies, entire publishing houses have been founded on our maggoty friends, and if you pick and choose carefully, there's a hell of lot of top quality literature out there that smells of walking pus-brained bags o'shit. Very little of it uses the stenches as anything other than scene setting macguffins, even when its glorying in the brain-freezing horror of the imagined situation. That's why i think it's so popular- it's literally the worst thing imaginable, that also indulges our shared desire to survive, or not.
The comic addresses the points you raise, about petrol and salt, so im not sure what you mean. Kirkman is aware of all the perceived criticisms, and seeks to address those that arent reliant on a certain (cont)
(cont) (i hate my phone- had the second part of this all typed in, and it died) (basically: )
Suspension of disbelief
Inherent ridiculousness of the flesheating zombie
Walking dead being the highest-profile zombie thing since dawn of the dead, but that's no reason to expect it to be a standard zombie-chomping horror narrative.
Subgenre is full of different stories, this is another take.
Etc.
SBT
I really do hate my phone
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 27 June, 2012, 04:49:58 PM
If apocalyptic zombie fiction isnt your thing, there's little point going out of your way to 'get' walking dead. Such fiction is insanely popular at present, and has been for the best part of a decade (if not more), so is unlikely to go anywhere just yet. It's not just comics and movies, entire publishing houses have been founded on our maggoty friends, and if you pick and choose carefully, there's a hell of lot of top quality literature out there that smells of walking pus-brained bags o'shit. Very little of it uses the stenches as anything other than scene setting macguffins, even when its glorying in the brain-freezing horror of the imagined situation. That's why i think it's so popular- it's literally the worst thing imaginable, that also indulges our shared desire to survive, or not.
Fair enough
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 27 June, 2012, 04:49:58 PM
The comic addresses the points you raise, about petrol and salt, so im not sure what you mean.
I know they have been mentioned in the comics but it would, in my mind become a greater and greater problem as time passed, my gripe is petrol seems endless in both comic and TV, and Capt Kirkman dissed bikes! the obvious answer to walkers etc. Sweating in that heat would make salt a big trade comodity too.
I know they have mentioned processed food running out, but I suppose its I'd rather see the practical side of the group on the majority of the pages rather than the Deadenders/relationships bit, so for me its the balance between these two elements that are currently out of whack, for me its not the gore that does it but the 'how would they?'
and be nice to your phone
To be fair though, that approach was tried with doomwatch and survivors back in the seventies- and, to certain degree, with the remake survivors series, and while it gave a healthy grounding, it was nowhere near as rivetting as the interpersonal relationship stuff. I think both the comic and the tv walking dead have the balance about right- the practicalities may be interesting, but human relationships are fascinating and ensure a returning audience of a demographic other than survivalists and zombie-nerds (like me). It's not a documentary, afteall. But yes, i get where you're at.
SBT
typing with his phone wedged up an arse, where it belongs.
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and while I'm at it :D petrol? how much do they have? no-one every sooks it out of other cars, and how are they all so healthy looking? and don't get me started on their salt intake...
Yeah and what about shitting? You never see anyone having a nice big shit in the woods. Don't they need to shit during a zombie apocalypse? And don't get me started on masturbating...
Shitting?In the woods? ;) as long as someone's got your back!
The w**king would carry on as normal... didn't the wimmin have a 'i miss my rabbit' conversation one time?
Tonight episode is well good, really, it was for 3 months break, but it carried on as normal :)
Here for season 3 photos info, for whoever not finished watch Season 2, please DON'T CLICK on it!
http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/02/walking-dead-prison-season-3-photos/ (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/07/02/walking-dead-prison-season-3-photos/)
BIG SPOILER IMAGE OF SEASON 3!
Comic Con teaser poster of Season 3!
(http://img2-3.timeinc.net/ew/i/2012/06/29/the-walking-dead-season-3_800.jpg)
It's really worth to watch episode tonight!
Not sure if you folks get the Talking Dead show, but last night it aired footage of Micchione in action, slicing and dicing zombies for a [spoiler]package of aspirin[/spoiler]. Very effective scene. The actress is perfect.
We also got a tour of the prison, which looks fantastic. It's an incredible set, really full of atmosphere. And a couple of glimpses of the Governor, who looks quite different from his comic book counterpart...but I suppose they've just made him "realistic".
I know I've been really hard on the second season - which is absolute garbage except for two, maybe three, episode - but season three looks to be the business.
On another note, I'll be running a Walking Dead obstacle course at SDCC to get an exclusive copy of issue 100!
spoliers tags please, locustsofdeath, there few people here not finished watch Season 2!
Whoops! I apologize! I started tagging...and then got distracted or something...
MOD! MOD!!!
has this been posted already?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShQz68Zkb3Y&feature=share
Quote from: johnnystress on 14 July, 2012, 03:46:26 PM
has this been posted already?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShQz68Zkb3Y&feature=share
No, for anyone who not finished watch Season 2, DON'T CLICK ON IT!
Oh shit it's [spoiler]Woodbury! [/spoiler]And what an ending!
On the subject of spoilers- this week sees walking dead #100 hit shops. Can i make a plea that NOBODY reveal anything from its pages in this thread? As it's the ony active walking dead thread on the board, it may seem like the obvious place, but i woud ask anyone wanting to talk about the comic, and specifically #100, to start a new thread in the relevant subforum, and clearly label whether it contains spoilers, in the subject header. Thanks in advance.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 14 July, 2012, 05:48:20 PM
On the subject of spoilers- this week sees walking dead #100 hit shops. Can i make a plea that NOBODY reveal anything from its pages in this thread?
Sure thing Steev, it'd be absolutely terrible if anyone spoiled the whole 100th issue shock with [spolier]Daryl and Merle making their comics debut[/spoiler]. Amazing!
;)
You cant see me, mr back, but i am waggling my genitals at you.
And now someone has started a walking dead comic thread, as i hoped, but i cannot open it until my package arrives from a place in space, monday earliest! Oh, the humility.
SBT
Again, great episode tonight!
Quote from: Goaty on 16 July, 2012, 09:58:39 PM
Again, great episode tonight!
Agreed! I wonder if the relationship between those two guys goes the same route it did in the comics?
One of my favourite episodes that one.
Quote from: Mardroid on 16 July, 2012, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 16 July, 2012, 09:58:39 PM
Again, great episode tonight!
Agreed! I wonder if the relationship between those two guys goes the same route it did in the comics?
Well can't say, but next three episodes is reallllly worth to watch.
Quote from: Mardroid on 16 July, 2012, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 16 July, 2012, 09:58:39 PM
Again, great episode tonight!
Agreed! I wonder if the relationship between those two guys goes the same route it did in the comics?
Looks kinda like it, looking forward to tonight's its a two stella can show
Again tonight you realllllly should watch the Walking Dead!
When it started I felt a bit like we'd missed an episode. [spoiler]It took me a while to realise that the guys folks hadn't turned up again between episodes, the torture was merely to find out what he knew.[/spoiler]
That kid is getting more annoying. (Not his acting, the character.) That's not a bad thing though.
[spoiler]I find it difficult to believe that most people in the band would decide the guy should be executed though, but I guess I'd buy it considering what they've been through and the fact they're living in fear.[/spoiler]
An interesting thought provoking episode. And, oh that ending.
Quote from: Mardroid on 23 July, 2012, 11:09:39 PM
When it started I felt a bit like we'd missed an episode. [spoiler]It took me a while to realise that the guys folks hadn't turned up again between episodes, the torture was merely to find out what he knew.[/spoiler]
That kid is getting more annoying. (Not his acting, the character.) That's not a bad thing though.
[spoiler]I find it difficult to believe that most people in the band would decide the guy should be executed though, but I guess I'd buy it considering what they've been through and the fact they're living in fear.[/spoiler]
An interesting thought provoking episode. And, oh that ending.
people do tend to go along with de-humanising things that's the horror of it, ( everything from Nazi germany to demonising elements of society) and you do ask yourself which group you would go with Rick or Dale?
and that ending was really well done, with everyone finding their roles at different levels, looking forward to seeing how [spoiler]Dale's death[/spoiler] will affect the group.
I'll spoiler tag this, even though it's kinda-sorta not a spolier, but maybe it kinda-sorta is:
When I saw that last scene I immediately wondered how [spoiler]Dale couldn't smell that zombie. I mean, it is pretty decayed and must stink to high heaven. Secondly, if the zombie was eating the cow, why did it go and hide only to pop back out again later to jump on Dale? (and where did it hide, considering that was a wide-open field) Sure, I'm probably way-overthinking the whole thing, and I probably need to just relax and enjoy old folks being eaten by zombies, but it really did take me out of the show...[/spoiler]
maybe it was just having a wee nap between courses and saw [spoiler]Dale[/spoiler] as a nice pudding?
According to my Mum's free newspaper, it's the big bustup between Rick and Shane this week... or that might be Eastenders...
Maybe, but it really great episode tonight...
looking forward to it, but knowing where the comic goes kinda take a bit of the edge off it
Quote from: Proudhuff on 30 July, 2012, 06:12:07 PM
looking forward to it, but knowing where the comic goes kinda take a bit of the edge off it
It might not go to the same place. It's gone in quite a different direction already.
I have a suspicion you may be right were these two are concerned though.
Don't highlight if you haven't read that far in the comics: [spoiler]The comic version was rather shocking.[/spoiler]
Just got the last half, great stuff! next week the fanale oooooooo!
Yeah, that was excellent. [spoiler]And I think I found that ending even more effective than the comic's version.[/spoiler] I pretty much enjoyed all this series.
If they didn't have the guts (or censors wouldn't allow them) to have **** shooting ***** properly, they shouldn't have done it at all. It seemed desperately tacked on to what would have otherwise been a fantastic scene.
I didn't find it tacked on. [spoiler]A twist certainly, but not an unbelievable or unwelcome one. It was still touch and go there whether or not they'd both just put down their weapons, although considering their recent antagonistic history I didn't think that would happen. I didn't figure on the knife though.[/spoiler]
I can't believe it - [spoiler]Dale and Shane both gone! [/spoiler]. I'm really enjoying season 2, didn't see very much of the first one. They've obvioulsy departed quite radically from the plot in the comics, which I think was agood idea, keeps us guessing. Still can't get used to Egg with an Alabama accent though!
i'm waiting to see how david does the guvnor (phillip blake) i'm reading the novel based on his early days of the outbreak
It's Brian Blake!!!
The Finale!
Well that was wonderful, now you can see why they scrimped and saved on SFX/make-up in all previous episodes: [spoiler]The burning barn, the herd ,the chase [/spoiler] and finally someone runs out of fuel!
An interesting bunch left to [spoiler]take over the jail[/spoiler] and Egg Rick on the edge, didn't expect the old farmer to make it, but I suppose they will need his farming knowledge[spoiler] inside the wire[/spoiler], and you know who's first appearance to with walkers attached, if only they were all like this!!
aaargh - missed it! Anyone know if there's a repeat?
Quote from: Dandontdare on 07 August, 2012, 02:05:13 PM
aaargh - missed it! Anyone know if there's a repeat?
Tonight on 5*
Phew! Thanks Goaty
A fine ending to a fine series. Am I the only viewer who looks at Daryl and Sophia's mum though and thinks "They're definitely going to end up in bed together..." ?
How is it that the characters in Walking Dean don't have a Zombie Plan? Surely everyone has a Zombie Plan?
Dig some trenches, guys. Electrify the fence, have a lookout on duty, build a bunker in the basement. Jeez...
loved the red herring of the helicopter at the start too, thought i might reappear at the crucial moment as a handwavey escape, but no thankfully. That last shot was a classic too.
checked FP for the 101 comic today but no luck, anyone know when that will be in store?
Quote from: Temponaut on 07 August, 2012, 05:58:02 PM
How is it that the characters in Walking Dean don't have a Zombie Plan? Surely everyone has a Zombie Plan?
Dig some trenches, guys. Electrify the fence, have a lookout on duty, build a bunker in the basement. Jeez...
Yeah, this occurred to me during the finale. If everyone kept quite and one person in a car drove off making a lot of noise, surely it would be easy enough to lure the herd away pied-piper style, always keeping ahead, and then double back at speed later; rather than just lots of shooting and screaming.
#101 is out august 14th, i think. At least that's what i have on my calender, i might have read it wrong.
As for the lack of a zombie plan or whatever- it's just part of the rules of the genre, and anyway no matter how well-equipped and trained you are, confronted by scores of stinking rotted corpses who want to eat you, i think you'd shit yourself, panic, and forget every bit of training you may have had.
Besides, these are 'normal people'. It's only comic and movie nerds who have a well-thought-out zombie plan!
SBT
#101 is out august 14th, cheers SBT!
Re plan: There's also the cunning use of Ice Cream vans to consider.
I think the point of their lack of planning was that it appeared to be a zombie free zone at the start, a ideal place to settle, no need for a plan, then...
New poster for Season 3.
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Hasn't Darabont bailed on the show? I actually enjoyed this second series more than I did the first. I hope it isn't going to end up a show which was going from strength to strength but comes back only to drop in quality.
After the first episode of season one I thought it tailed off. Season two was better than I hoped. As an avid reader of the comic, I think I expect too much from the show. But I am looking forward to season three ...
I've got friends who really like the comic and one recently told me that the whole prison story they're setting up for series 3 takes up volumes 3-8 of the collected editions. I'm wondering if that's the case, are we going to have the survivors staying in a place for more than one series?
Quote from: Charlie boy on 15 August, 2012, 02:18:18 PM
I've got friends who really like the comic and one recently told me that the whole prison story they're setting up for series 3 takes up volumes 3-8 of the collected editions. I'm wondering if that's the case, are we going to have the survivors staying in a place for more than one series?
It's unknown, so enjoy and watch the Season 3!
Since the show started I'd been hoping the prison would factor in, I haven't read all the comics but the prison was definitely the highlight of what I did read. So I got a wee wash of nerd excitement at the end of season 2!
I thought overall it was a slower season than 1, but the pay-off was fantastic.
If they decide it's time Andrea gets killed-off, I'll enjoy series3 more than you will ever know. I really can't stand the character.
Quote from: Charlie boy on 15 August, 2012, 02:18:18 PM
I've got friends who really like the comic and one recently told me that the whole prison story they're setting up for series 3 takes up volumes 3-8 of the collected editions. I'm wondering if that's the case, are we going to have the survivors staying in a place for more than one series?
Not sure of the numbering but the prison does take up a load of the comic and rightly so, I imagine (based firmly on nothing at all) that they will stay there for most of series 3, but David Morrisey will find them pretty soon I think...
new Official poster for Season 3!
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so where's that set?
;)
QuoteThe west wall
No. You'd be able to see the Statue of Judgement (and Liberty) in the background if it was the west wall. ;o)
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 06 September, 2012, 12:26:28 PM
QuoteThe west wall
No. You'd be able to see the Statue of Judgement (and Liberty) in the background if it was the west wall. ;o)
Should that be at East Wall cos New York is at East....?
Well, yeah. That was kind of the joke. I'll get me coat.
You can say what you like about that CJ Cal when it came to Border security...
Here new creepy photo.
We knew what The Governor watched... :o
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I wonder if they will reproduce THAT ?
Quote from: Proudhuff on 09 October, 2012, 11:31:51 AM
I wonder if they will reproduce THAT ?
Very likely yes! People who not reading the comic will get shocked from that, good way to see different side of the Governor...