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Title: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Buttonman on 14 August, 2010, 02:35:45 PM
Top notch offering with that lovely Frank Quietly cover. The Hondo effect extends to the free post card in the shape of Jason Brashill's seminal Meg 2.74 cover of Shimura.

The bagged book is a Mick McMahon collection that is mostly the lamentable 'Howler'. I thought this was a pile of toot the first time around and it's still a pile of toot now!

The Dredd is a quality effort by Gordon Rennie and Graeme Neil Reid. One of those touching human spirit affairs although how a normal man would keep up with a 10 second 200m seems a bit far fetched.

Carlos' interview continues with his romance comics and Battle phases with the 2000ad stuff next issue. He's still puffing the cigarillos in this episode so it must have been done a few months back.

Still to read the rest but plenty of meat on the Meg bones.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: I, Cosh on 14 August, 2010, 02:41:56 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Buttonman on 14 August, 2010, 03:09:06 PM

Get with the prog(ramme) Cosh - mine was up for 6 minutes, but enough about yer Ma!

I got mine at 11am but the lack of e decent letters page meant I was sloth like in getting my musings together - moved like Aaron Johnson in comparison to Cosh though!
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Trout on 14 August, 2010, 05:42:02 PM
That's a hell of a cover.

Honourable mention for the all-Scottish team on story and art for Dredd, especially Graeme Neil Reid, who's an excellent artist who thoroughly deserves it.

Good story, too. Understated and emotive.

I'll read the rest of the Meg in little bits, I expect.

- Trout
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: I, Cosh on 14 August, 2010, 08:54:43 PM
Quote from: Buttonman on 14 August, 2010, 03:09:06 PM
Get with the prog(ramme) Cosh - mine was up for 6 minutes, but enough about yer Ma!
Pfft. I started mine long before that. Just goes to show that, like the pearls they're named after, my words of wisdom take longer to congeal from the hot fat of my mind than that swill you cranked out! Anyway, in order that future generations not be deprived of my insights, I bow to your thread mastery and reproduce it here.

Slow response to the latest Meg? Surely a welcome respite from the usual ramblings of Messrs Proudfoot and Watson can't be the reason?

A good one-off Dredd from Rennie gets things off to a flying start. Funny that both this week's Dredds have a running theme. This must almost double the number of stories about running! There was that one where the guy got shot for being determined to beat his best time (Spoiler) drawn by Duncan Fegredo or Sean Phillips or someone else old-and-good-who-you-thought-you'd-never-see-in-the-Prog-again. Then there was The House on Runner's Walk. Which wasn't really about running, but mentions it in the title. If you extend to stories about people who are on the run, then the count would go up significantly. Come on Tharg, get some new material. You can't keep feeding us this same old stuff.

Everything else carries on well from last month, although it's predominantly good art buoying up decent stories. Armitage was unexpectedly short with a decent twist. Inaba seems more fun without Shimura being all broody and honourable and Anderson is still enjoyable but I rather wish they'd stuck to the short-haired remodel she got a few years ago.

I haven't read any of the articles as I haven't needed a shite yet.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: blixab on 14 August, 2010, 09:51:06 PM
I enjoyed the Meg today.

Nice Dredd story but also about athletics. Maybe they thought it was flavour of the month with the recent European Athletics Championships!!

Liked the Armitage story but thought it might have at least extended to the next Meg.

Enjoying the Carlos interview and looking forward to next month's finale.

As for the bagged Mick McMahon I thought this was total tosh. I'd have preffered it not to have been included. Can see why the Meg struggled in Vol2 if this was the kind of stuff published. Anyway, only my view and hope that next months offering is better fayre than this...
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Proudhuff on 16 August, 2010, 01:46:02 PM
well that little bundle is well worth six quid...

Great line up of leads, even Anderson is 'cooking' with Boo on artwork only slight duffer is Armitage which again, like previous stories, could have been done and dusted in a fivepager in the Prog.

For the first time for me the text articles (excluding the Interrogation) are a bit of a let down, Flash Gordon and Futuramma have never done it for me but I'm glad the Film review warns us of the Airbender
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 16 August, 2010, 01:49:07 PM
Quote from: blixab on 14 August, 2010, 09:51:06 PM
fayre

There's no such word! And even if there was, you meant 'fare', not 'fair', of which 'fayre' is a faux-olde-worlde bastardization.

Hah!

Jim
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: radiator on 16 August, 2010, 03:00:13 PM
QuoteAs for the bagged Mick McMahon I thought this was total tosh. I'd have preffered it not to have been included. Can see why the Meg struggled in Vol2 if this was the kind of stuff published. Anyway, only my view and hope that next months offering is better fayre than this...

Knew these sorts of comments would appear - I for one love this little collection - worth the £6 on its own for me. McMahon is a genius, but I can completely understand why some would dislike the artwork on Howler - it's probably his most extreme stuff. It's about as abstract as comic art can get while still telling a coherent story.

I like a variety of artistic styles in the prog, but I would always take something like this over the usual bland, quasi photo-realistic style of the majority of comic art.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Proudhuff on 16 August, 2010, 04:13:54 PM
As for the bagged Mick McMahon...

Quote from: radiator on 16 August, 2010, 03:00:13 PM
I for one love this little collection It's about as abstract as comic art can get while still telling a coherent story.
seconded

i loved it too, it took a wee bit to 'get' the feel then after that Brill! still wouldn't want it in every prog week in week out. Having said that the Last American was a joy to read too.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Trout on 16 August, 2010, 04:22:09 PM
Me too. McMahon rocks.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Dandontdare on 16 August, 2010, 04:33:43 PM
I also loved Howler - I thought Mcmahon's new cartoony style worked really well for such a crazy villain. It didn't fit quite as well on the subsequent stories, but still one of the better GNs, which have been decidedly hit and miss - Balls Brothers next month anyone?
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: I, Cosh on 16 August, 2010, 05:07:09 PM
I read Howler for the first time ever last night and I thought it was great. A real fun story. My only criticism is that you should've been able to see through the holes in the letters on the big pages.

Never heard of Chris Standley, but he seems to have been a lucky badger. Getting his scripts illustrated by Pete Doherty, Jim Murray and McMahon.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 17 August, 2010, 05:50:27 AM
Quote from: The Cosh on 14 August, 2010, 08:54:43 PM
Anderson is still enjoyable but I rather wish they'd stuck to the short-haired remodel she got a few years ago.

I prefer the long hair myself, oh yes! Boo Cook knows the score.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Kev Levell on 17 August, 2010, 08:18:44 AM
Just got Anderson left to read... really enjoying the Meg's new line up. I got a letter printed too! Wahoo!
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Alski on 18 August, 2010, 03:20:47 PM
Started with the bonus mag this month... Jebus, MacMahon sucks. I just can't get over his childish scribbles, although the stories are all worth reading regardless.

The three covers at the back are all shit as well.

Okay, so i know plenty like him, and it doesn't matter, but just though I'd vent.

:-X
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Dandontdare on 18 August, 2010, 03:30:56 PM
Quote from: emceehamster on 18 August, 2010, 03:20:47 PMJebus, MacMahon sucks. ... childish scribbles ... The three covers at the back are all shit as well.

... and that's why Jim Campbell has left us.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Alski on 18 August, 2010, 03:37:22 PM
Sorry for an honest opinion. The Internet - a blessing and a curse.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: TordelBack on 18 August, 2010, 04:36:20 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 18 August, 2010, 03:30:56 PM
Quote from: emceehamster on 18 August, 2010, 03:20:47 PMJebus, MacMahon sucks. ... childish scribbles ... The three covers at the back are all shit as well.

... and that's why Jim Campbell has left us.

I don't think that is the reason, although I'm sure it does make cry him silent tears of rage.  It's more likely that he feels that a robust cunting attack on that unsupported fucknugget of a position would be deemed inappropriate for this forum.  And that is a shame, and something that I hope we can change.  

The best we can hope for when creators are criticised here is that it will be part of or the start of a reasoned debate.  If people are allowed to state their opinions without at least fearing the shiny boot of reason up their jacsksies then this really will be the benighted place some already think it is.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Colin Zeal on 18 August, 2010, 04:46:33 PM
It was the first reading of Howler for me and I enjoyed it. I liked that much of the dialogue wasn't in dialogue boxes. I realise it was too big for that, but it was still a nice break from the standard. I'm more curious about when he stopped being called Mike.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 August, 2010, 04:57:51 PM
Quote from: emceehamster on 18 August, 2010, 03:20:47 PM
Started with the bonus mag this month... Jebus, MacMahon sucks. I just can't get over his childish scribbles, although the stories are all worth reading regardless.


So what child could scribble these:


(http://mickmcmahon.onlinefolio.biz/IMG-90700309/shaggy3G.gif)(http://mickmcmahon.onlinefolio.biz/IMG-90700309/shaggy4G.gif)(http://mickmcmahon.onlinefolio.biz/IMG-90700309/shaggy5G.gif)


Ain't many, of the very best, who could pull off what he's done in these pages.

Art courtesy of:

http://mickmcmahon.onlinefolio.biz/index.asp


Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: TordelBack on 18 August, 2010, 05:02:30 PM
Quote from: Garageman on 18 August, 2010, 04:57:51 PM
Ain't many, of the very best, who could pull off what he's done in these pages.

Truth.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Hoagy on 18 August, 2010, 05:08:39 PM
Yes!!

This is definitely what I'd hoped McMahon was aspiring to from The Howler. I don't mean chronologically, meaning more in his panel lay-outs. They're pretty straight-forward in the bonus pack but those, above, are real developments of his re-invention.

Talk about making an iconic character even more medievo-azteco-futuro iconoclastic, eh?
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Alski on 18 August, 2010, 05:10:10 PM
I like the art in the main Dredd story, as I am an appreciator of clear art. I find MacMahn's blocky work a real turn off. In fairness, I have never liked his art all the way back to the beginning, always preferring other artists. The best work for me was Slaine, as the black and white use was very clever.

garageman, pencil sketches are no going to change my mind. Give me Glen Fabry, Bolland, RonSmith, Ezquerra, Bellardinelli and so many others every time.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 August, 2010, 05:15:13 PM
Quote from: emceehamster on 18 August, 2010, 05:10:10 PM
garageman, pencil sketches are no going to change my mind.

That's not why I posted them, I asked what part of his art is childish scribbles that "suck"?
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: TordelBack on 18 August, 2010, 05:20:11 PM
QuoteI find MacMahn's blocky work a real turn off.

Fair enough, but:

QuoteJebus, MacMahon sucks. I just can't get over his childish scribbles

That's just big sweaty balls.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: uncle fester on 18 August, 2010, 05:26:04 PM
Jeez, emceehamster, there's nothing quite like taking a swipe at something because you're in a grouch, is there? Least I hope you're in a grouch.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Alski on 18 August, 2010, 05:31:30 PM
Looking at Howler and especially the cover sketches put me in a grouch.

I showed them to a non 2000AD reader who asked if a child had done them. Honest injun.

It's stylized art, and i do not like the style. The pencil art is okay, I suppose, but not worthy of being printed in 200AD or The Meg in my opinion.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: mogzilla on 18 August, 2010, 05:38:55 PM
i'm finding the new style hard to get used to being such a radical change from what i'm used to (fink,block wars etc) but then i loved siku's hugemungous chinny take on dredd.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Alski on 18 August, 2010, 05:48:07 PM
Anyway, aside from me starting a frikkin flame war...

The Dredd story is very well done, and with very nice artwork, a good take on dporting cheats.

Ezquerra pt 2 was a good read, and it's interesting that he didn't really enjoy "the Boys", as I always felt his work on it was lacking the usual passion.

Lilly Mackenzie is a great little slow burning story, throwing up new mysteries each week. Am really liking this, understated as it is.

Armitage does a good job of not outstaying it's welcome, and was a nice little 2 parter.

Hondo City Justice has turned out very well so far, with an intriguing story, good dialogue and nice work by Neil Googe. More please.

Finally, Anderson is getting gorier and spookier, something Alan grant does very well. Boo Cook has turned in some of his best work as well, reigning in his wilder impulses to allow the story to be told.

great issue, as ever. Am looking forward to re reading The Balls Brothers next month.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 August, 2010, 05:52:12 PM
Quote from: mogzilla on 18 August, 2010, 05:38:55 PM
i'm finding the new style hard to get used to being such a radical change from what i'm used to (fink,block wars etc) but then i loved siku's hugemungous chinny take on dredd.


"The Howler" was first published in the Meg 16 years ago in 1994, it's not a new style at all for Mick. He had this style for "Muto Maniac" in Toxic which was 3 years earlier in '91. He's probably gone on to something else by now.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 August, 2010, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: emceehamster on 18 August, 2010, 05:31:30 PM

It's stylized art, and i do not like the style. The pencil art is okay, I suppose, but not worthy of being printed in 200AD or The Meg in my opinion.


I got news, all art is stylized, not liking one style or another is fair enough but there is no way that technically Mick is not up to scratch for 2000AD or the Meg. Technically, he's ahead of the pack.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: radiator on 18 August, 2010, 05:59:19 PM
QuoteI like the art in the main Dredd story, as I am an appreciator of clear art.

I would argue that McMahon's art - even his nuttier stuff like Howler - always tells a story clearly. To say his art is 'shit' is nonsense - you might not like it, but the fact that so many professional artists cite it as an inspiration clearly confirms that it is, in fact, 'good'.

Personally, I thought that while the art in the lead Dredd strip was competent and the storytelling strong, stylistically it was too bland for my tastes and lacking in energy and character - things that McMahon's work has in abundance.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 August, 2010, 06:06:26 PM
Quote from: radiator on 18 August, 2010, 05:59:19 PM
QuoteI like the art in the main Dredd story, as I am an appreciator of clear art.

I would argue that McMahon's art - even his nuttier stuff like Howler - always tells a story clearly.

and this has always been a signature strength with Mick among others, I don't know any one else who does it so well. It's a lost craft in modern comics and almost vanished in the 90's generation although it's creeping back.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: TordelBack on 18 August, 2010, 06:07:28 PM
Quote from: emceehamster on 18 August, 2010, 05:48:07 PM
Anyway, aside from me starting a frikkin flame war...

Now this is what makes the Cunting Campbell cry. Not you specifically emceehamster, but the act of boarders contesting outrageous claims being described as something other than it is:  it ain't a flamewar, and it ain't bullying (not that the Hamster suggested it was), it's calling someone's opinion wrong.  And you are wrong,so expect people to point this out.  Love it or hate it, Howler is astonishingly accomplished artwork and suggesting  McMahon hasn't got the technical chops to appear in the very comic he made great is simply incorrect.  No problem with you disliking it, I'm not sure I'd want every Dredd story to look like this ether - although I'm glad this one does.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Alski on 18 August, 2010, 07:19:06 PM
variety is the spice of life and all that.

I've no problem with people not agreeing with me (does ANYONE agree with me...?).

McMahon is a veteran artist, who slowly evolved his style and has a lot of respect in the art community. fair enough, I totally understand that.

I am no artist, not even a bit, so my likes and dislikes are very much based on my reaction to what I see.

I don't like Picasso either.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: vzzbux on 18 August, 2010, 08:47:13 PM
McMahon has reinvented himself on a number of occasions and that takes balls to go in a totally different direction. Although I am not a fan of his latest abstract direction, there is nothing childish about it.
Every one is entitled to their own opinion but phrases like 'Jebus, MacMahon sucks. I just can't get over his childish scribbles' is just down right rude.






V
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 18 August, 2010, 09:09:30 PM
For the second month running the Meg is absolutly absorbing. Every strip appealed, the Ezquerra interview makes me yearn for Tharg's Lovely Big Book of Carlos Ezquerra, the film bit made me want to watch The Human Centipede and I even enjoyed the Futurama thing. But it was Anderson and Dredd that stood out for me this time.

If the Meg is going to be this good, and this packed, each month- then please Mr Tharg, do not drop the page count back and I will gladly pay £6 every four weeks.

Havent read the McMahon floppy yet- but as much as I enjoy the man's later work, I don't think its any surprise that other people hate it. It's not exactly easy on the eye, and at times seems to actively seek to confus the reader. Personally, I don't think its good comic strip, and only as part of the greater McMahon whole can it really be appreciated.

Interestingly, I had cause to spend some time on a Sonic The Hedgehog forum of late (CF knows why), and there (unaware or dismissive of the sublime early Dredds and Slaines) McMahon is very much seen as a "low point" in the history of artists who worked on the character. Odd, that.

SBT
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Alski on 19 August, 2010, 12:02:13 AM
McMahon did Sonic?
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: mogzilla on 19 August, 2010, 12:19:04 AM
Quote from: Garageman on 18 August, 2010, 05:52:12 PM
Quote from: mogzilla on 18 August, 2010, 05:38:55 PM
i'm finding the new style hard to get used to being such a radical change from what i'm used to (fink,block wars etc) but then i loved siku's hugemungous chinny take on dredd.


"The Howler" was first published in the Meg 16 years ago in 1994, it's not a new style at all for Mick. He had this style for "Muto Maniac" in Toxic which was 3 years earlier in '91. He's probably gone on to something else by now.

cheers for the info g-man, buti was meaning the style was new for me as i  was on my sabbatical in '94 and only came back around 99/00 so missed it first time round.in fact the story with the guy being arrested for a murder he hadnt commited yet was my first exposure to it.wasnt it in prog 2000 if memory serves?

any way as for the rest,interesting dredd's vocal admiration for a cit,not something we normally see.

armitage is ok but not blowing me away.

lily is really enjoyable dare i say a "halo jones " for the noughties ?

and also enjoying anderson which is not a strip i usually read due to mainly the artist chosen if the art dont grab me the story doesnt but thats just me and i'm glad to say boo's art is welcome anytime .

enjoying carlos' interview part 2 didnt know major easy was a brit , i always thought he was a yank not remembering him in the day...but liking the definite nod to him in cursed earth coburn
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Hoagy on 19 August, 2010, 12:38:02 AM
The strips...

Dredd wowed and humoured.

Armitage humoured.

Hondo City wowed.

Anderson wowed and humoured.

The supplements...so far

Futurama, enjoyable.

Letters, interested.

Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 August, 2010, 12:42:06 AM
Quote from: mogzilla on 19 August, 2010, 12:19:04 AM

cheers for the info g-man, buti was meaning the style was new for me as i  was on my sabbatical in '94 and only came back around 99/00 so missed it first time round.



Jim "Cunting" Campbell would string you up by the balls for that comment, it's not about you, it's about the facts!  ;)
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 August, 2010, 12:46:06 AM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 18 August, 2010, 09:09:30 PM
Interestingly, I had cause to spend some time on a Sonic The Hedgehog forum of late (CF knows why

The man speaks the truth, I do know why  ;)
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: mogzilla on 19 August, 2010, 12:54:23 AM
Quote from: Garageman on 19 August, 2010, 12:42:06 AM
Quote from: mogzilla on 19 August, 2010, 12:19:04 AM

cheers for the info g-man, buti was meaning the style was new for me as i  was on my sabbatical in '94 and only came back around 99/00 so missed it first time round.



Jim "Cunting" Campbell would string you up by the balls for that comment, it's not about you, it's about the facts!  ;)


HA! but. the fact is me  not being around so missed it fact.not the fact it was in existence but i could have disputed that in the day because i wasnt in possesion of the facts or the internet for that matter but i didnt because i dint know of its existence and therfore couldnt be pulled up by the fucking cunt because i hadnt disputed it as  a fact in the first place...... :P














...i think.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 August, 2010, 12:56:55 AM
Quote from: mogzilla on 19 August, 2010, 12:54:23 AM



HA! but. the fact is me  not being around so missed it fact.not the fact it was in existence but i could have disputed that in the day because i wasnt in possesion of the facts or the internet for that matter but i didnt because i dint know of its existence and therfore couldnt be pulled up by the fucking cunt because i hadnt disputed it as  a fact in the first place...... :P



...i think.



This is not the "John Byrne" forum.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: mogzilla on 19 August, 2010, 01:05:33 AM
Quote from: Garageman on 19 August, 2010, 12:56:55 AM
Quote from: mogzilla on 19 August, 2010, 12:54:23 AM



HA! but. the fact is me  not being around so missed it fact.not the fact it was in existence but i could have disputed that in the day because i wasnt in possesion of the facts or the internet for that matter but i didnt because i dint know of its existence and therfore couldnt be pulled up by the fucking cunt because i hadnt disputed it as  a fact in the first place...... :P



...i think.





This is not the "John Byrne" forum.



glad to hear it. my insomnia's making me silly so i'm going to have a nice horlicks or whisky ...


Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 August, 2010, 01:09:56 AM
Quote from: mogzilla on 19 August, 2010, 01:05:33 AM

glad to hear it. my insomnia's making me silly so i'm going to have a nice horlicks or whisky ...





Two malts in one, you'll never wake up.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: mogzilla on 19 August, 2010, 01:12:51 AM
either that or the rubber mallet under the stairs.three nights and counting.thank god i'm off work.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 19 August, 2010, 06:53:32 AM
Emceehamster: i cant use quotes on the mobile version of this site i access, but yes, McMahon drew Sonic for Sonic The Comic, the uk title, back in the nineties. As did Richard Elson of Kingdom/Atavar 2000ad standing.
I was there trying to find out if Dredd had ever appeared in Sonic The Comic (not as dumb as it sounds, as the final issue of jd:lotf states that dredd's adventures 'will continue weekly in 2000ad and fortnightly in stc'... and while i was there chatting, the mcmahon stuff came up. They were grumpy that the prog 'stole' elson, but very dismissive of mickmackmoo.
SBT
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Judge Olde on 19 August, 2010, 12:00:56 PM
Howler was fantastic stuff. McMahon was amazing, but as others have said, I'd not want this every outing. Why doesn't McMahon do Dredd anymore? Anyone?

Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 August, 2010, 05:14:35 PM
That last page in Anderson is lovely, Boo has drawn her charms quite well. In fact that pic is so good I'd love to own it! Hang on a second I do, it was in the auction at Hi-Ex! (another reason for you lot to attend) and here it is!

(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/Hell%20Trek%202010/P3290361.jpg)

Still gotta get it framed (two others in at the mo)!

As for the Howler freebie, I was very vocal in my dislike of this at the time and still am. Don't get me wrong I loved all his previous stuff but I think I wrote in (Buttonman help) and said it was like a lunatic Picasso, or something like that.
It probably suits Sonic and the likes of that but I felt it was not up to the standards of the Meg, plus 4 episodes was waaaaay too long for such a basic story.
Then again, I'm sure many people like this style, each to their own  ;)
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: vzzbux on 19 August, 2010, 08:51:48 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 August, 2010, 05:14:35 PM
As for the Howler freebie, I was very vocal in my dislike of this at the time and still am. Don't get me wrong I loved all his previous stuff but I think I wrote in (Buttonman help) and said it was like a lunatic Picasso, or something like that.
It probably suits Sonic and the likes of that but I felt it was not up to the standards of the Meg, plus 4 episodes was waaaaay too long for such a basic story.
Then again, I'm sure many people like this style, each to their own  ;)

Now that's how to criticize without being rude.





V
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: BPP on 22 August, 2010, 08:02:47 PM
In the post-'Cheers' environment can I suggest that the Dredd was less that sparkling? On a script front I'm never really given to these 'stoic everyday hero' type things - seems very a very americian view of humanity and the 200m 9sec / sealing of a whole road to train on was all a bit wtf. Not that it was badly written or owt - just not my cuppa.

However - and treading on egg-shells here as am all for encouraging new art - i thought the figure work left a lot to be desired - many times the anatomy, especially the arms, seemed wonky (Dredd's crossed arms on the first page, the one-arm thick / one-arm thin of the spike-y protester second panel 3rd page, AJ's weirdly long torso 5th panel, 3rd page; AJs whole body 3rd panel, 4th page, same again 1st panel 5th page...

To balance that out I'd like to say that there is much to like - perspectives were often very well executed, layouts were dynamic, characters were distinctive, the take on dredd himself was quite nicely retro (ron smithesque) and some of the individual panels I liked alot. 

Hope that can be taken the right way and certainly would like to see the droid in question given chance to develop. No more 1950s tower blocks in MC1 tho fella!

Mind you give the EXCELLENCE of the rest of the MEG it would always be hard for a less experienced droid.. the MEG is smokin' atm.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 22 August, 2010, 09:22:36 PM
Quote from: BPP on 22 August, 2010, 08:02:47 PMI'm never really given to these 'stoic everyday hero' type things - seems very a very americian view of humanity

Is that a bad thing? Though I like Dredd tales to have a nice Antarctican view of humanity from time to time. :P
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: BPP on 22 August, 2010, 09:36:26 PM
no no, not a bad thing per se; just not a very 'interesting to me' thing.

Not a  big fan of Antartician lit. myself.. tend to a bit.. bear

ahem.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: TordelBack on 22 August, 2010, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: BPP on 22 August, 2010, 09:36:26 PM
Not a  big fan of Antartician lit. myself.. tend to a bit.. bear

Unlikely.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: BPP on 22 August, 2010, 09:46:15 PM
nowt more tedious than letting facts get in the way of a jovial pun.

besides, we've ALL seen Lost.  Bears get everywhere.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: PsychoGoatee on 22 August, 2010, 09:52:41 PM
Quote from: BPP on 22 August, 2010, 09:46:15 PMbesides, we've ALL seen Lost.  Bears get everywhere.
Yeah they do. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?disp=img&pid=1273504997) :D
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: TordelBack on 22 August, 2010, 10:08:31 PM
Quote from: BPP on 22 August, 2010, 09:46:15 PM
nowt more tedious than letting facts get in the way of a jovial pun.

True but this particular fact serves a greater pun, one involving chocolate biscuits, and thus accorded special status.   
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 23 August, 2010, 08:27:23 AM
Quote from: mogzilla on 19 August, 2010, 12:19:04 AM
lily is really enjoyable dare i say a "halo jones " for the noughties ?

Uh uh. Not Halo Jones.

It's Carry on Emmanuelle via Alastair Reynolds.

Not that's there's anything wrong with that. Just calling it as Stevie sees it.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: IndigoPrime on 23 August, 2010, 10:49:09 AM
Funny about the McMahon Dredd. To me, it was a pretty logical stylistic evolution from his Sláine work, and it fitted really well with the chaotic nature of Howler. I wouldn't want to see Dredd done this way week-in, week-out, but for a one-off it was great. Contrast that, though, with the dire I Was a Teenage Mutant Ninja Priest Killer by Sam Keith in the latest Case Files. Now *that* is how to wreck Dredd with sub-par cartoon art.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Darren Stephens on 25 August, 2010, 06:15:44 PM
Just got this issue today. The bagged MM collection was the sole reason for me starting to buy the Megazine again last month. ( I knew this collection was coming soon, but also wanted to know what was going on in the other stories in the actual meg..) Mike Mcmahon was and still is a genius. How anyone can call his work "shit" is beyond me. Totally ridiculous. On another note, the Dredd story this month is great and, art wise, almost as far removed from Mcmahon as its possible to be. Arsom, indeed.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: mogzilla on 28 August, 2010, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 23 August, 2010, 08:27:23 AM
Quote from: mogzilla on 19 August, 2010, 12:19:04 AM
lily is really enjoyable dare i say a "halo jones " for the noughties ?

Uh uh. Not Halo Jones.

It's Carry on Emmanuelle via Alastair Reynolds.

Not that's there's anything wrong with that. Just calling it as Stevie sees it.

you not a fan then stevie? using the worst carry on film as a ref? the jones reference was all i could think of as so far not a lot happens (obviusly picking up now) it was just a girly and a pink haired short fella on a ship...maybe they did some shopping whilst off "camera" ;)
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: BPP on 28 August, 2010, 08:00:24 PM
Lilly McKenzie is fantastic. Sure its a slower pace than the typical 2000AD story but with that art who cares - like a good BD.. great art, good characters, nothing happens till book III. Love it.

Confessions of a... Pink haired Shorty might be nearer the mark (although frankly not enough confessions if you get my drift).
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: Zarjazzer on 29 August, 2010, 11:33:01 AM
Having been snuffly for two weeks I needed cheering up and this prog was better than any doc. An excellent Dredd, story and art summing up perfectly the insane nature of the Mega-City in just one story.

Hondo city/Inaba bonkers but great with some fanulous weirdy beasties at the end.

Anderson and Armitage were good and the art particularly so, Lily Mckenzie was also perfectly enjoyable.

The meg is Mega this month.
Title: Re: MEG 301 : CUTTING CLASS
Post by: leebrown1990 on 29 August, 2010, 07:59:03 PM
Lush cover. Makes me want to track down Quietly's Megazine work.

Dredd: Really liked the mutual respect between the athlete and Dredd, and the silent panels where you could see it in play. Showed you a lot of the wackiness of MC1 which was fun. Not sure how memorable it's gunna be, but I liked it.

Armitage: I'm pretty shocked that the murder mystery element ended so abruptly and they found the perp all in this one part. Intrested to see where things go from here, but not so much as I was last time round.

Lilly Mackenzie: Leaving it for when I get the earlier parts

Hondo City Justice: Really love this, awesome action and ideas. Niel Googes art is good, but did confuse me a little in parts.

Judge Anderson: Again some cool moments and nice art, mostly set up so I'm waiting for things to really get going.

Other stuff: Interview was intresting, a friend saw the Human Centipide and was telling me how bad it was, so made me laugh to see it in the reviews section.

Still got the collection to read. Normally I find stylized art fascinating, but this doesn't do much for me. Have to see how it reads.