Title: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 21 April, 2011, 10:37:51 PM
Post by: Goaty on 21 April, 2011, 10:37:51 PM
First Look At Tom Hardy On The Set Of The Dark Knight Rises!
(http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/8073/hardyset.jpg)
As in this; http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=35638&t=First_Look_At_Tom_Hardy_On_The_Set_Of_iThe_Dark_Knight_Risesi (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=35638&t=First_Look_At_Tom_Hardy_On_The_Set_Of_iThe_Dark_Knight_Risesi)
Title: Re: Re:The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 21 April, 2011, 10:41:43 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 21 April, 2011, 10:41:43 PM
Quote from: Goaty;600026First Look At Tom Hardy On The Set Of The Dark Knight Rises!He's a big bloke,...makes the guy in the white tee shirt look tiny.
As in this; http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=35638&t=First_Look_At_Tom_Hardy_On_The_Set_Of_iThe_Dark_Knight_Risesi
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: uncle fester on 22 April, 2011, 09:29:36 AM
Post by: uncle fester on 22 April, 2011, 09:29:36 AM
The comments on the link are predictably moronic. Based on a picture of an actor out of costume, in a parking lot, people are already expressing their doubts. God bless the Internet.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: klute on 23 April, 2011, 01:00:02 PM
Post by: klute on 23 April, 2011, 01:00:02 PM
Quote from: uncle fester on 22 April, 2011, 09:29:36 AM
The comments on the link are predictably moronic. Based on a picture of an actor out of costume, in a parking lot, people are already expressing their doubts. God bless the Internet.
Indeed everybodys a critic. im looking forward to TDKR.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 23 April, 2011, 01:12:46 PM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 23 April, 2011, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: uncle fester on 22 April, 2011, 09:29:36 AM
The comments on the link are predictably moronic. Based on a picture of an actor out of costume, in a parking lot, people are already expressing their doubts. God bless the Internet.
Thank grud nobody did that with a couple of pictures of props in the same environment on the Dredd movie...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 27 April, 2011, 11:36:37 PM
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 27 April, 2011, 11:36:37 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 23 April, 2011, 01:12:46 PMQuote from: uncle fester on 22 April, 2011, 09:29:36 AM
The comments on the link are predictably moronic. Based on a picture of an actor out of costume, in a parking lot, people are already expressing their doubts. God bless the Internet.
Thank grud nobody did that with a couple of pictures of props in the same environment on the Dredd movie...
That's the difference between us and them. ;)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: the shutdown man on 20 May, 2011, 06:19:42 PM
Post by: the shutdown man on 20 May, 2011, 06:19:42 PM
http://www.empireonline.com/images/uploaded/bane-xl.jpg (http://www.empireonline.com/images/uploaded/bane-xl.jpg)
First picture of Hardy as Bane is up.
First picture of Hardy as Bane is up.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: klute on 20 May, 2011, 06:32:48 PM
Post by: klute on 20 May, 2011, 06:32:48 PM
Quote from: the shutdown man on 20 May, 2011, 06:19:42 PM
http://www.empireonline.com/images/uploaded/bane-xl.jpg (http://www.empireonline.com/images/uploaded/bane-xl.jpg)
First picture of Hardy as Bane is up.
Not much to go on :(
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 20 May, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
Post by: Buddy on 20 May, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
Pah!
It's clear Warner Brothers know nothing about how to market a film.
I mean... what sort of movie studio releases official images of one of the films main characters almost a year before the film is released.
That would only get the fans talking, spark media interest and raise the profile of the entire project.... and what sort of studio would want that kind of free publicity.
The fools.
It's clear Warner Brothers know nothing about how to market a film.
I mean... what sort of movie studio releases official images of one of the films main characters almost a year before the film is released.
That would only get the fans talking, spark media interest and raise the profile of the entire project.... and what sort of studio would want that kind of free publicity.
The fools.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Keef Monkey on 20 May, 2011, 08:51:28 PM
Post by: Keef Monkey on 20 May, 2011, 08:51:28 PM
[Editing this comment out, I was just ranting a bit, and no-one likes a ranter.]
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 May, 2011, 09:07:14 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 May, 2011, 09:07:14 PM
Quote from: Buddy on 20 May, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
Pah!
It's clear Warner Brothers know nothing about how to market a film.
I mean... what sort of movie studio releases official images of one of the films main characters almost a year before the film is released.
That would only get the fans talking, spark media interest and raise the profile of the entire project.... and what sort of studio would want that kind of free publicity.
The fools.
That's nuffin', we got a Dredd pic from first set-rehearsals.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 20 May, 2011, 09:56:58 PM
Post by: dweezil2 on 20 May, 2011, 09:56:58 PM
And Batman is an established movie franchise, Dredd aint.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: blackmocco on 20 May, 2011, 10:02:34 PM
Post by: blackmocco on 20 May, 2011, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: Buddy on 20 May, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
Pah!
It's clear Warner Brothers know nothing about how to market a film.
I mean... what sort of movie studio releases official images of one of the films main characters almost a year before the film is released.
That would only get the fans talking, spark media interest and raise the profile of the entire project.... and what sort of studio would want that kind of free publicity.
The fools.
Surely it's safe to say that the general public's awareness and anticipation for a new Batman film is just a little more than for Dredd...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 May, 2011, 10:08:48 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 May, 2011, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: blackmocco on 20 May, 2011, 10:02:34 PMSurely it's safe to say that the general public's awareness and anticipation for a new Batman film is just a little more than for Dredd...
That'd be using logic which is not allowed on the web.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 21 May, 2011, 06:17:24 PM
Post by: Buddy on 21 May, 2011, 06:17:24 PM
Quote from: blackmocco on 20 May, 2011, 10:02:34 PMQuote from: Buddy on 20 May, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
Pah!
It's clear Warner Brothers know nothing about how to market a film.
I mean... what sort of movie studio releases official images of one of the films main characters almost a year before the film is released.
That would only get the fans talking, spark media interest and raise the profile of the entire project.... and what sort of studio would want that kind of free publicity.
The fools.
Surely it's safe to say that the general public's awareness and anticipation for a new Batman film is just a little more than for Dredd...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 May, 2011, 08:07:56 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 May, 2011, 08:07:56 PM
? Did you want to say something other than repeat previous quotes.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 22 May, 2011, 11:29:51 AM
Post by: Buddy on 22 May, 2011, 11:29:51 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 May, 2011, 08:07:56 PM
? Did you want to say something other than repeat previous quotes.
Sorry.... iPhone playing up.. Didn't mean to do that.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 22 May, 2011, 12:04:32 PM
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 22 May, 2011, 12:04:32 PM
Bane looks like one of the gas mask wearing Gangers from Warhammer 40K.
DREDD publicity photo shots will probably still be a while in coming.
Post production on a 3D film is inevitably pretty complicated matching shots and composting etc.
So 'keep the faith' as they said in 'Blazin' Saddles.'
DREDD publicity photo shots will probably still be a while in coming.
Post production on a 3D film is inevitably pretty complicated matching shots and composting etc.
So 'keep the faith' as they said in 'Blazin' Saddles.'
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 22 May, 2011, 04:49:16 PM
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 22 May, 2011, 04:49:16 PM
Judging from that pic of Bane (who I have no idea who he's supposed to be, not being a reader of Bat Man comics), it appears that the seventh Bat Man film will be a remake of 'Bum Hunter'.
SBT
SBT
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 22 May, 2011, 05:08:02 PM
Post by: Goaty on 22 May, 2011, 05:08:02 PM
(http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0014/5900/bane-xl.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Spaceghost on 23 May, 2011, 08:48:54 AM
Post by: Spaceghost on 23 May, 2011, 08:48:54 AM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 22 May, 2011, 04:49:16 PM
Judging from that pic of Bane (who I have no idea who he's supposed to be, not being a reader of Bat Man comics), it appears that the seventh Bat Man film will be a remake of 'Bum Hunter'.
SBT
HA HA HA HA!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: mygrimmbrother on 01 June, 2011, 12:12:58 PM
Post by: mygrimmbrother on 01 June, 2011, 12:12:58 PM
Yet another villain for TDKR: http://www.metro.co.uk/film/864841-the-dark-knight-rises-matthew-modine-to-play-villain-nixon
A 'politician and key villain called Nixon'? Really? Seems a wee but heavy-handed.
A 'politician and key villain called Nixon'? Really? Seems a wee but heavy-handed.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 01 June, 2011, 01:53:18 PM
Post by: Buddy on 01 June, 2011, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: mygrimmbrother on 01 June, 2011, 12:12:58 PM
Yet another villain for TDKR: http://www.metro.co.uk/film/864841-the-dark-knight-rises-matthew-modine-to-play-villain-nixon
A 'politician and key villain called Nixon'? Really? Seems a wee but heavy-handed.
Is this a character from the comics??
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: mygrimmbrother on 01 June, 2011, 01:58:48 PM
Post by: mygrimmbrother on 01 June, 2011, 01:58:48 PM
No idea, but it seems to be getting rather crowded. Although Nolan's is a pretty safe pair of hands I guess.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 01 June, 2011, 03:46:47 PM
Post by: radiator on 01 June, 2011, 03:46:47 PM
Too many characters, especially villains, seems to be the bane (no pun intended!) of superhero movie sequels. Hopefully Nolan and co will pull off the balancing act.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 01 June, 2011, 04:47:25 PM
Post by: Goaty on 01 June, 2011, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: radiator on 01 June, 2011, 03:46:47 PM
Too many characters, especially villains, seems to be the bane (no pun intended!) of superhero movie sequels. Hopefully Nolan and co will pull off the balancing act.
Well Batman Begins and The Dark Knight got many characters :-)
it very curious that Nolan always use actors that not been on films/TV for ages, as Rutger Hauer in Batman Begins, Eric Roberts in The Dark Knight and now Matthew Modine?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 16 June, 2011, 04:30:50 PM
Post by: radiator on 16 June, 2011, 04:30:50 PM
Just heard that [spoiler]Liam Neeson will be returning as Ras Al Ghul[/spoiler] in TDKR....
On a related note - just figured out that the title is a play on 'The Dark Knight Falls' - which is chapter 4 of The Dark Knight Returns. If they're going down that route, then 'The Dark Knight Triumphant' would have been a better title imo.
On a related note - just figured out that the title is a play on 'The Dark Knight Falls' - which is chapter 4 of The Dark Knight Returns. If they're going down that route, then 'The Dark Knight Triumphant' would have been a better title imo.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 June, 2011, 08:29:44 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 June, 2011, 08:29:44 PM
I don't think the execs would believe that the general American audience would know what triumphant means...'They'd probably think it was a musical instrument'.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 June, 2011, 08:31:56 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 June, 2011, 08:31:56 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 01 June, 2011, 04:47:25 PMit very curious that Nolan always use actors that not been on films/TV for ages, as Rutger Hauer in Batman Begins, Eric Roberts in The Dark Knight and now Matthew Modine?
Really?, Tarantino made a whole career out of it.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 27 June, 2011, 08:23:37 PM
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 27 June, 2011, 08:23:37 PM
This
http://io9.com/5815916/christopher-nolans-craziest-batman-stunt-yet (http://io9.com/5815916/christopher-nolans-craziest-batman-stunt-yet)
and this
(i.e:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3612/3608474326_9dbaab6a3c.jpg)
...)
and that:
[spoiler]
"Batman is on board a plane that is hurtling to the ground. The script says he takes control of it and lands it on the road while it's on fire."
[/spoiler]
:o :D :D :D :o
http://io9.com/5815916/christopher-nolans-craziest-batman-stunt-yet (http://io9.com/5815916/christopher-nolans-craziest-batman-stunt-yet)
and this
Quote
Nolan wants to shut down a major highway in Scotland, the A9, for an "epic" stunt involving a Lockheed C-130 Hercules plane
(i.e:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3612/3608474326_9dbaab6a3c.jpg)
...)
and that:
[spoiler]
"Batman is on board a plane that is hurtling to the ground. The script says he takes control of it and lands it on the road while it's on fire."
[/spoiler]
:o :D :D :D :o
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 27 June, 2011, 08:25:42 PM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 27 June, 2011, 08:25:42 PM
That's Scotland for you...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 27 June, 2011, 08:32:15 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 27 June, 2011, 08:32:15 PM
Quote from: pops1983 on 27 June, 2011, 08:23:37 PM
and that:
[spoiler]
"Batman is on board a plane that is hurtling to the ground. The script says he takes control of it and lands it on the road while it's on fire."
[/spoiler]
In isolation the scene sounds a bit pants, I think some of the flattest aspects of Nolan's Bat-films are the big 'stunt' scenes, but who knows? What's wrong with small well-done action scenes that mean something anymore?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 27 June, 2011, 08:41:28 PM
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 27 June, 2011, 08:41:28 PM
The A9 Road is one of Scotlands deadliest roads. I'm not sure landing a Hercules sized plane on it will down size the body count any.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 27 June, 2011, 08:47:07 PM
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 27 June, 2011, 08:47:07 PM
The real issue here is that Nolan completely misses the point of Batman. Where's all the onomatopoeia flashing up in brightly coloured letters? This scene will fail unless I see KER-RASSH spelled out. Any variant spelling will see this film flopping at the box office. And the wheels need to be fatter.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 27 June, 2011, 10:44:01 PM
Post by: Tiplodocus on 27 June, 2011, 10:44:01 PM
I've enjoyed the action bits in the Batman films so far.
You can work out what's going on, they have little elements of story telling in them (or character) and often include something quite spectacular and unusual to look at (18 wheeler going end over end, bat cycle, bat mobile being a tank, batman as a ruthless predator coming from the dark).
But I'm sure somebody will be along shortly to tell me why I shouldn't be enjoying them.
And I'll probably go "Yeah, fair point."
You can work out what's going on, they have little elements of story telling in them (or character) and often include something quite spectacular and unusual to look at (18 wheeler going end over end, bat cycle, bat mobile being a tank, batman as a ruthless predator coming from the dark).
But I'm sure somebody will be along shortly to tell me why I shouldn't be enjoying them.
And I'll probably go "Yeah, fair point."
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Christov on 28 June, 2011, 04:15:05 AM
Post by: Christov on 28 June, 2011, 04:15:05 AM
Rises was basically going to be a far more balls to the wall film than the previous ones anyway, not surprised they're going mental on the stunts.
Title: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 July, 2011, 09:11:38 AM
Post by: Goaty on 12 July, 2011, 09:11:38 AM
Here the new poster!!! wow! It features a view of Gotham City, with the camera pointing upward at several skyscrapers as they appear to be collapsing but giving the undeniable shape of a bat. Looks like it going to be grim film, very inception style poster?
(http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2011/07/the_dark_knight_rises_2011_a_p.jpg)
(http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/2011/07/the_dark_knight_rises_2011_a_p.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 12 July, 2011, 09:37:11 AM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 12 July, 2011, 09:37:11 AM
Oh that is very clever.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Robin Low on 12 July, 2011, 11:29:54 AM
Post by: Robin Low on 12 July, 2011, 11:29:54 AM
Also kind of interesting because the bat appears to be falling, rather than rising, and pulling the buildings down with it.
Regards
Robin
Regards
Robin
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 12 July, 2011, 11:54:16 AM
Post by: dracula1 on 12 July, 2011, 11:54:16 AM
Fantastic Pre-Film promo' and thougthful poster design for Dark Knight Rising. I wonder if the 'DREDD' PR team will be inspired to release something of this quality soon?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: the shutdown man on 12 July, 2011, 01:20:43 PM
Post by: the shutdown man on 12 July, 2011, 01:20:43 PM
Very cool poster. Rumour is the first teaser trailer will be out later this week too with Harry Potter. Well, in the States anyway, but if so, it should be online soon after.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Christov on 12 July, 2011, 09:47:21 PM
Post by: Christov on 12 July, 2011, 09:47:21 PM
Oh shit, the teaser trailer is real.
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8763/llwg8.jpg (http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8763/llwg8.jpg)
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8763/llwg8.jpg (http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8763/llwg8.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 13 July, 2011, 02:39:00 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 13 July, 2011, 02:39:00 PM
A pity we haven't got a similar snap like this to prove the recent 'Dredd' teaser poster as being authentic.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: SMOKESCREEN:ED:9 on 13 July, 2011, 06:20:55 PM
Post by: SMOKESCREEN:ED:9 on 13 July, 2011, 06:20:55 PM
I will watch this...and I will supp on it's batty juices.
Title: Re: Re: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Noisybast on 13 July, 2011, 08:41:52 PM
Post by: Noisybast on 13 July, 2011, 08:41:52 PM
Quote from: SMOKESCREEN:ED:9 on 13 July, 2011, 06:20:55 PM
...batty juices.
I don't think that means what you think it means...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Rog69 on 13 July, 2011, 10:01:08 PM
Post by: Rog69 on 13 July, 2011, 10:01:08 PM
There's a description of the teaser trailer over on AICN - http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50347 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50347)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Woolly on 13 July, 2011, 11:32:26 PM
Post by: Woolly on 13 July, 2011, 11:32:26 PM
Is that a blurry Superman logo i see middle left? :eh:
Title: Re: Re: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: SMOKESCREEN:ED:9 on 14 July, 2011, 02:23:19 AM
Post by: SMOKESCREEN:ED:9 on 14 July, 2011, 02:23:19 AM
Quote from: Noisybast on 13 July, 2011, 08:41:52 PMQuote from: SMOKESCREEN:ED:9 on 13 July, 2011, 06:20:55 PM
...batty juices.
I don't think that means what you think it means...
ME thinks...YES I do indeeed.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Hoagy on 14 July, 2011, 03:06:28 AM
Post by: Hoagy on 14 July, 2011, 03:06:28 AM
Quote from: SMOKESCREEN:ED:9 on 14 July, 2011, 02:23:19 AMQuote from: Noisybast on 13 July, 2011, 08:41:52 PMQuote from: SMOKESCREEN:ED:9 on 13 July, 2011, 06:20:55 PM
...batty juices.
I don't think that means what you think it means...
ME thinks...YES I do indeeed.
It's like tears in the rain, yes? Lost in time?
Edit: NM :*
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: the shutdown man on 14 July, 2011, 01:47:56 PM
Post by: the shutdown man on 14 July, 2011, 01:47:56 PM
http://www.wat.tv/video/the-dark-knight-rises-teaser-3wcs5_3wcs1_.html (http://www.wat.tv/video/the-dark-knight-rises-teaser-3wcs5_3wcs1_.html)
Here's a shakycam link to the trailer if you can't wait. I tried to resist, I really did.....
Here's a shakycam link to the trailer if you can't wait. I tried to resist, I really did.....
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 14 July, 2011, 02:06:56 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 14 July, 2011, 02:06:56 PM
I couldn't resist a sneak peek at the shakey cam teaser. Looks like alot of the previous films hashed together mainly. The Bane bit and the Bat logo visual plus music are very moody and atmospheric, . . . I can't wait for this one. Possible biggest film of 2012? Will Azrael appear in this?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Rog69 on 14 July, 2011, 07:07:35 PM
Post by: Rog69 on 14 July, 2011, 07:07:35 PM
http://www.mediafire.com/?u2zu7794sbva2pf (http://www.mediafire.com/?u2zu7794sbva2pf)
A downloadable copy of the shakeycam trailer, those youtube etc links get taken down stupidly fast ;)
A downloadable copy of the shakeycam trailer, those youtube etc links get taken down stupidly fast ;)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mangamax on 15 July, 2011, 06:19:58 AM
Post by: Mangamax on 15 July, 2011, 06:19:58 AM
Naughty, naughty. The letter from Warner Bros that comes with the trailer couldn't be more clear:
Its a cinema only exclusive trailer,
won't be online till Monday,
to be played ONLY with Harry Potter from today,
and DON'T play it with any other film or before the 15th to the public.
Tut tut
Its a cinema only exclusive trailer,
won't be online till Monday,
to be played ONLY with Harry Potter from today,
and DON'T play it with any other film or before the 15th to the public.
Tut tut
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: the shutdown man on 15 July, 2011, 10:19:41 AM
Post by: the shutdown man on 15 July, 2011, 10:19:41 AM
Bah, they should be flattered.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 31 July, 2011, 10:44:27 AM
Post by: Goaty on 31 July, 2011, 10:44:27 AM
More of Bane!
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/2717/original/Bane4.jpg?1312078769)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/2718/original/Bane2.jpg?1312078806)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/2719/original/Bane3.jpg?1312078829)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/2720/original/Bane1.jpg?1312078856)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/2717/original/Bane4.jpg?1312078769)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/2718/original/Bane2.jpg?1312078806)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/2719/original/Bane3.jpg?1312078829)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/2720/original/Bane1.jpg?1312078856)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 31 July, 2011, 01:35:09 PM
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 31 July, 2011, 01:35:09 PM
You can't help imagining Bane in Mega City 1! Looks very good though.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 01 August, 2011, 08:23:23 PM
Post by: Goaty on 01 August, 2011, 08:23:23 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/01/article-2020947-0D3F186900000578-42_634x759.jpg)
And it's back!
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/01/article-2020947-0D3C29CC00000578-644_634x351.jpg)
And it's back!
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/01/article-2020947-0D3C29CC00000578-644_634x351.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 August, 2011, 08:31:57 PM
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 August, 2011, 08:31:57 PM
Yes! Beat 'em up Batman!
The Asian looking Cop with the nightsticks is giving it a bit of the old Judge Dredd too 'Take that, Trotsky!'
Is the Batmobile slightly different from it's first incarnation?
The Asian looking Cop with the nightsticks is giving it a bit of the old Judge Dredd too 'Take that, Trotsky!'
Is the Batmobile slightly different from it's first incarnation?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 01 August, 2011, 09:13:43 PM
Post by: Mardroid on 01 August, 2011, 09:13:43 PM
I think it's the same, apart from being the original colour obviously. I guess Bats, or one of his mates, got a new one out of storage and Fox (or whatever his name was) hadn't gotten around to painting it.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 August, 2011, 09:20:10 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 August, 2011, 09:20:10 PM
The Bat-tumbler still looks like a boring untransformed Transformer. Then again I wlays thought the Batmobile was a naff idea. He's better off with a small nifty motorbike.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 02 August, 2011, 09:08:21 AM
Post by: Goaty on 02 August, 2011, 09:08:21 AM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 01 August, 2011, 08:31:57 PM
Is the Batmobile slightly different from it's first incarnation?
Most logic is that it is prototype one in Batman Begins?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 02 August, 2011, 12:04:58 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 02 August, 2011, 12:04:58 PM
Lovely pic's on set, . . . look at Bales method acting face as he elbows the shit out of Hardy (100% commitment and in character).
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 02 August, 2011, 12:12:55 PM
Post by: Goaty on 02 August, 2011, 12:12:55 PM
LOoks at those shoulder pads and bat-suit, that why latest movie Judges is great!
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/01/article-2020947-0D3F188D00000578-753_634x531.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/01/article-2020947-0D3F188D00000578-753_634x531.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 02 August, 2011, 06:35:02 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 02 August, 2011, 06:35:02 PM
New MSN Splash media footage of Banes onset rioting thugs now online! :o
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 05 August, 2011, 09:54:52 AM
Post by: Goaty on 05 August, 2011, 09:54:52 AM
OH HOT! And Batpod back!
(http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0015/4177/catw.jpg)
(http://www.darkhorizons.com/assets/0015/4177/catw.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 05 August, 2011, 12:28:14 PM
Post by: Goaty on 05 August, 2011, 12:28:14 PM
Small verison...
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/53641.jpg)
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/53641.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 05 August, 2011, 02:35:55 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 05 August, 2011, 02:35:55 PM
That's far to sexy a picture. Now will ar' Anderson look that hot straddled on the old Lawmaster I wonder? ;)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 05 August, 2011, 03:36:56 PM
Post by: Goaty on 05 August, 2011, 03:36:56 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/05/article-2022692-0D4F982A00000578-352_634x450.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/05/article-2022692-0D4F984100000578-376_634x492.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/05/article-2022692-0D4F984100000578-376_634x492.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 05 August, 2011, 04:16:05 PM
Post by: Mardroid on 05 August, 2011, 04:16:05 PM
Very nice! I wonder what those blue LEDs do on her goggles though?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 05 August, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 05 August, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
CyberPunk lives!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: johnnystress on 10 August, 2011, 09:05:53 AM
Post by: johnnystress on 10 August, 2011, 09:05:53 AM
http://failblog.org/2011/08/09/epic-fail-photos-batman-movie-stunt-fail/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+failblog+%28The+FAIL+Blog+-+Fail+Pictures+%26+Videos+at+Failblog.ORG%29&utm_content=FaceBook
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Radbacker on 10 August, 2011, 11:18:31 AM
Post by: Radbacker on 10 August, 2011, 11:18:31 AM
ooops, few thousands dollar damage there i guess. At least it wasn't an IMAX camera (i think i dont actually know but i hear there friken massive).
Anne Hathaway = Very Hot
CU Radbacker
Anne Hathaway = Very Hot
CU Radbacker
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 12 August, 2011, 11:39:10 AM
Post by: Buddy on 12 August, 2011, 11:39:10 AM
Batwing?
(http://cdn.batman-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/TDKRbatwing.jpg)
(http://cdn.batman-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/TDKRbatwing.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 15 August, 2011, 01:31:09 PM
Post by: Goaty on 15 August, 2011, 01:31:09 PM
Batwing at action... It's looks like Aliens's Drop-ship with wings out?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/14/article-2024164-0D6BCCB700000578-8_634x478.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/14/article-2024164-0D6BCCB700000578-8_634x478.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 25 September, 2011, 08:32:18 PM
Post by: Goaty on 25 September, 2011, 08:32:18 PM
Catwoman with the mask...
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/25/article-2041664-0E12D69A00000578-537_468x916.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/25/article-0-0E12D77200000578-480_468x312.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/25/article-2041664-0E14279900000578-484_224x423.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/25/article-2041664-0E12D69A00000578-537_468x916.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/25/article-0-0E12D77200000578-480_468x312.jpg)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/25/article-2041664-0E14279900000578-484_224x423.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 25 September, 2011, 08:57:06 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 25 September, 2011, 08:57:06 PM
Anne is absolutely purfect! :D
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 26 September, 2011, 01:19:54 PM
Post by: Tiplodocus on 26 September, 2011, 01:19:54 PM
Blimey.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Hoagy on 26 September, 2011, 01:33:41 PM
Post by: Hoagy on 26 September, 2011, 01:33:41 PM
I'm looking forward to the music most, if I'm being honest with myself. As visually spectacular as these films are, the music has caught my intellect the most.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 21 November, 2011, 03:49:03 PM
Post by: Goaty on 21 November, 2011, 03:49:03 PM
New Empire Covers with Batman and Bane...
and interesting new fact, that this The Dark Knight Rises is 8 years after events in The Dark Knight!
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/56272.jpg)
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/56273.jpg)
and interesting new fact, that this The Dark Knight Rises is 8 years after events in The Dark Knight!
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/56272.jpg)
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/56273.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: the shutdown man on 21 November, 2011, 03:52:36 PM
Post by: the shutdown man on 21 November, 2011, 03:52:36 PM
Some more pics and tidbits from inside Empire here:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=84430
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=84430
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: M.I.K. on 21 November, 2011, 04:09:10 PM
Post by: M.I.K. on 21 November, 2011, 04:09:10 PM
All the vehicles in these films look like broken Transformer knock-offs.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: HdE on 21 November, 2011, 06:39:07 PM
Post by: HdE on 21 November, 2011, 06:39:07 PM
Quote from: M.I.K. on 21 November, 2011, 04:09:10 PM
All the vehicles in these films look like broken Transformer knock-offs.
Oddly enough, I ended up watchinga chun of batman Begins with the Old man a few nights ago, and spent a lot of the movie wishing the Bat(Tank)mobile would transform into Ironhide.
Look at it from a certain angle, and it makes sense.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 11 December, 2011, 04:19:23 AM
Post by: Goaty on 11 December, 2011, 04:19:23 AM
New teaser poster but wow...
(http://whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/The-Legend-Ends.jpg)
(http://whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/The-Legend-Ends.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Devons Daddy on 11 December, 2011, 04:22:03 AM
Post by: Devons Daddy on 11 December, 2011, 04:22:03 AM
:o :o :o :o :o
thats a powerful image.
thats a powerful image.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Radbacker on 11 December, 2011, 07:24:16 AM
Post by: Radbacker on 11 December, 2011, 07:24:16 AM
woah, womder if this is gonna end like Knight Fall (heven't read butr we all know the outcome).
CU Radbacker
CU Radbacker
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 11 December, 2011, 02:16:57 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 11 December, 2011, 02:16:57 PM
Nolan continues to stoke the fire of anticipation for this. Amazing poster. I hope DNA and chums are taking note on how to conduct intelligent viewing audience focused film promo'.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JamesC on 11 December, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
Post by: JamesC on 11 December, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
It's a nice poster, but the line 'The Legend Ends' coupled with the image seems totally at odds with the film's title.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 11 December, 2011, 04:09:46 PM
Post by: radiator on 11 December, 2011, 04:09:46 PM
Nah, I think it's quite deliberate and works quite well when read in the order of the poster tagline:
The Legend Ends...
The Dark Knight Rises
The Legend Ends...
The Dark Knight Rises
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JamesC on 11 December, 2011, 05:19:51 PM
Post by: JamesC on 11 December, 2011, 05:19:51 PM
Quote from: radiator on 11 December, 2011, 04:09:46 PM
Nah, I think it's quite deliberate and works quite well when read in the order of the poster tagline:
The Legend Ends...
The Dark Knight Rises
Hmmm, still sounds a bit confused to me.
Still really looking forward to the film though!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 December, 2011, 06:11:55 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 December, 2011, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 11 December, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
It's a nice poster, but the line 'The Legend Ends' coupled with the image seems totally at odds with the film's title.
Is that not the point/counterpoint?, as in the Dark Knight is dead, long live the Dark Knight!
The legendmay be dead but he lives on.
Listen to a crappy audio recording of the prologue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7vOEwnD6dfQ
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JamesC on 12 December, 2011, 06:32:06 PM
Post by: JamesC on 12 December, 2011, 06:32:06 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 December, 2011, 06:11:55 PMQuote from: JamesC on 11 December, 2011, 03:57:45 PM
It's a nice poster, but the line 'The Legend Ends' coupled with the image seems totally at odds with the film's title.
Is that not the point/counterpoint?, as in the Dark Knight is dead, long live the Dark Knight!
The legendmay be dead but he lives on.
Listen to a crappy audio recording of the prologue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7vOEwnD6dfQ
Well maybe, but to continue your analogy, it would usually mean 'The (old) king is dead, long live the (new) king'.
Are we to believe that there's a new 'Dark Knight' and that Batman is dead?
And anyway, isn't it usually the person that dies and the legend that lives on, not the other way around?
What does it mean, 'The Legend Ends'? Surely, one of the defining characteristics of a legend is that it endures?
This is what I mean when I say it's confused (I really mean I'm confused)!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 December, 2011, 06:56:01 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 December, 2011, 06:56:01 PM
We won't know the answers until we see the film but I don't find the poster confusing. The message is clearly teasing a death/rebirth scenario concerning the legend and the man in the eyes of the people. Wouldn't be a good poster if it gave answers instead of posing questions.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: the shutdown man on 15 December, 2011, 10:57:42 AM
Post by: the shutdown man on 15 December, 2011, 10:57:42 AM
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=51290 (http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=51290)
A dodgy bootleg of the new trailer (not the prologue). It'll probably be online over the weekend, but if you can't wait, like I couldn't....it's pretty awesome looking.
A dodgy bootleg of the new trailer (not the prologue). It'll probably be online over the weekend, but if you can't wait, like I couldn't....it's pretty awesome looking.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 19 December, 2011, 01:25:43 PM
Post by: Tiplodocus on 19 December, 2011, 01:25:43 PM
If that's the same trailer his Lordship posted then it was pretty cool.
But I'll admit, I did spend quite a bit of time wondering if they were actually planning on having Batman in this Batman film.
But I'll admit, I did spend quite a bit of time wondering if they were actually planning on having Batman in this Batman film.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 19 December, 2011, 04:03:26 PM
Post by: radiator on 19 December, 2011, 04:03:26 PM
Anyone got any idea when we'll be able to see the trailer in a form that is actually watchable?
Thought it was supposed to be released over the weekend..?
Thought it was supposed to be released over the weekend..?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 19 December, 2011, 04:59:05 PM
Post by: Steve Green on 19 December, 2011, 04:59:05 PM
I thought it was supposed to run in front of Mission Impossible, so they'll probably hold back until that's been running for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 December, 2011, 05:06:50 PM
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 December, 2011, 05:06:50 PM
It might be held back for that small sporting event held during January in the colonies ;)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 19 December, 2011, 06:32:55 PM
Post by: Steve Green on 19 December, 2011, 06:32:55 PM
http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/thedarkknightrises/
seems to be up there, but I can't get it to work...
seems to be up there, but I can't get it to work...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2011, 06:54:12 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2011, 06:54:12 PM
The downloads work for me but I stil think the trailers so far have been quite shite and I'm getting the feeling I got from the last film, that it'll be a bloated mess with some great scenes. Is Cat-Woman completely superfluous just like Two-Face was?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 19 December, 2011, 07:52:01 PM
Post by: Steve Green on 19 December, 2011, 07:52:01 PM
Yeah, watched it now. Not blown away with it, I didn't like Begins that much, I really liked TDK (although overlong) but this hasn't grabbed me.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 19 December, 2011, 08:41:34 PM
Post by: Goaty on 19 December, 2011, 08:41:34 PM
YouTube version, and I like that!
Football field scene so amazing! And nice to see appears of BatWing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XM6Vs09Vyk0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XM6Vs09Vyk0)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2011, 08:51:01 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2011, 08:51:01 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 19 December, 2011, 08:41:34 PMFootball field scene so amazing!
I think the football scene is the worst thing in it. Its biggest problem is the very apparent lack of physical 'reality' between the running player -who apparently doesn't hear or feel and is completely oblivious- and the slaughter that's going on inches behind him. It looks comical and cheap.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 December, 2011, 08:55:46 PM
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 December, 2011, 08:55:46 PM
The explosions on the field don't even look realistic and why would Bane stand that close to the coming carnage, shrapnel kills from any angle!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: von Boom on 19 December, 2011, 08:59:42 PM
Post by: von Boom on 19 December, 2011, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2011, 08:51:01 PM
I think the football scene is the worst thing in it. Its biggest problem is the very apparent lack of physical 'reality' between the running player -who apparently doesn't hear or feel and is completely oblivious- and the slaughter that's going on inches behind him. It looks comical and cheap.
You are sooo right.
JvB
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2011, 09:01:16 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 December, 2011, 09:01:16 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 December, 2011, 08:55:46 PM
The explosions on the field don't even look realistic and why would Bane stand that close to the coming carnage, shrapnel kills from any angle!
He's harder than you.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 December, 2011, 09:04:17 PM
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 December, 2011, 09:04:17 PM
I would expect him to feel the ground shake rather than hear the explosions. Those ones look quite muffled due to the earth and with a tight fitting helmet on and the blood pounding in your ears plus the crowd I think that might nullify the puny noise from behind him.
We'd need to ask Large48 how much you can hear in one of those helmets!
We'd need to ask Large48 how much you can hear in one of those helmets!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 19 December, 2011, 09:06:14 PM
Post by: Goaty on 19 December, 2011, 09:06:14 PM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 December, 2011, 09:04:17 PM
I would expect him to feel the ground shake rather than hear the explosions. Those ones look quite muffled due to the earth and with a tight fitting helmet on and the blood pounding in your ears plus the crowd I think that might nullify the puny noise from behind him.
We'd need to ask Large48 how much you can hear in one of those helmets!
Your right, as whenever you ran far as you can with the ball, you block out everything as you ran.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JamesC on 20 December, 2011, 09:13:42 AM
Post by: JamesC on 20 December, 2011, 09:13:42 AM
I think it looks great and I'm certainly not going to start slagging it because the scene with the football field doesn't look realistic enough - some people really are hard to please!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Grant Goggans on 20 December, 2011, 09:35:16 AM
Post by: Grant Goggans on 20 December, 2011, 09:35:16 AM
Can anybody understand what Bane is saying?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 20 December, 2011, 09:36:20 AM
Post by: Goaty on 20 December, 2011, 09:36:20 AM
Quote from: Grant Goggans on 20 December, 2011, 09:35:16 AM
Can anybody understand what Bane is saying?
Well, cant lip-reading it :-\
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 20 December, 2011, 09:45:53 AM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 20 December, 2011, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: JamesC on 20 December, 2011, 09:13:42 AMwelcome to the Internet!
I think it looks great and I'm certainly not going to start slagging it because the scene with the football field doesn't look realistic enough - some people really are hard to please!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Proudhuff on 20 December, 2011, 09:53:22 AM
Post by: Proudhuff on 20 December, 2011, 09:53:22 AM
Tosh. haven't liked the last two don't think I'll li8ke this one either.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 20 December, 2011, 09:53:57 AM
Post by: CYCLOPZ on 20 December, 2011, 09:53:57 AM
Looks good , but Prometheus looks better
:|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHAm9LUDpA&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHAm9LUDpA&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn3YouxdY5k&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn3YouxdY5k&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
:|http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHAm9LUDpA&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHAm9LUDpA&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn3YouxdY5k&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn3YouxdY5k&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 20 December, 2011, 09:54:30 AM
Post by: radiator on 20 December, 2011, 09:54:30 AM
QuoteCan anybody understand what Bane is saying?
"When Gotham is ashes, you have my permission to die".
Sounds perfectly clear to me - dunno why so many people seem to be having a problem making it out...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 20 December, 2011, 03:31:37 PM
Post by: Goaty on 20 December, 2011, 03:31:37 PM
Very interesting as notice it over internet...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/400210_10150469310132708_84882342707_8576844_1526958344_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 20 December, 2011, 05:21:29 PM
Post by: Goaty on 20 December, 2011, 05:21:29 PM
Very interesting Trailer Breakdown feature;
http://www.totalfilm.com/features/the-dark-knight-rises-trailer-breakdown-fan-edition/the-robin-symbol (http://www.totalfilm.com/features/the-dark-knight-rises-trailer-breakdown-fan-edition/the-robin-symbol)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 20 December, 2011, 07:20:25 PM
Post by: Steve Green on 20 December, 2011, 07:20:25 PM
I think problem some people have with the collapse is in comparison to how he's tried to do most things for real in TDK (Hospital demolition, batpod etc.)
I wouldn't expect him to have real people in the stunt, but a real physical explosion with actors comped in would have felt more fitting in the way he's tended to do things in the past.
I'm sure that shot will improve, trailer shots are usually not finals.
I wouldn't expect him to have real people in the stunt, but a real physical explosion with actors comped in would have felt more fitting in the way he's tended to do things in the past.
I'm sure that shot will improve, trailer shots are usually not finals.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 January, 2012, 08:40:17 AM
Post by: Goaty on 12 January, 2012, 08:40:17 AM
New batsuit! (Dredd-style?)
(http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/n/new-image-of-the-dark-knight-rises-batsuit-77255-00-470-75.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 12 January, 2012, 09:11:39 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 12 January, 2012, 09:11:39 AM
Quote from: Goaty on 12 January, 2012, 08:40:17 AM
New batsuit! (Dredd-style?)
I'll say, if the 1995 movie's Judge outfit looked more like that (minus the cowl and cape of course), it would've been less, uh, camp! Having just watched The Dark Knight for the first time over Christmas - both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight two-disc DVD sets in one package for £7, I was thrilled - I'm stoked for ...Rises , this is probably the only comic-book adaptation I'm interested in this year, except Dredd of course, which is still way up there at #1 on interest level, but where's the darn teaser!?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 April, 2012, 09:37:56 AM
Post by: Goaty on 12 April, 2012, 09:37:56 AM
Anne Hathaway in the new Catwoman promotional picture
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/11/article-0-128DFA1F000005DC-146_468x630.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 14 April, 2012, 03:45:02 AM
Post by: Mardroid on 14 April, 2012, 03:45:02 AM
They seem to really like the pebbled look in superhero/villain costumes lately, don't they?
That's, um, very tight fitting. Gulp.
That's, um, very tight fitting. Gulp.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JamesC on 14 April, 2012, 09:18:52 AM
Post by: JamesC on 14 April, 2012, 09:18:52 AM
I've never really liked the long hair and heels versions of Catwoman. I'd have preferred them to go with the Jim Lee costume design that's being used in the comics at the moment.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 14 April, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 14 April, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
It looks really good conveying the seductive temptress part of Catwoman more than the badass beat em up version.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: brendan1 on 19 April, 2012, 11:17:37 AM
Post by: brendan1 on 19 April, 2012, 11:17:37 AM
Quote from: radiator on 20 December, 2011, 09:54:30 AMQuoteCan anybody understand what Bane is saying?
"When Gotham is ashes, you have my permission to die".
Sounds perfectly clear to me - dunno why so many people seem to be having a problem making it out...
I do: it's very hard to hear and isn't perfectly clear at all.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 19 April, 2012, 12:24:01 PM
Post by: Tiplodocus on 19 April, 2012, 12:24:01 PM
His voice was clear to me in the trailer but I saw the prologue at the IMAX and I couldn't make out half of what he was saying.
We used to watch Battlestar Galactica with the subtitles on because they spent so much time whispering and mumbling to each other.
We used to watch Battlestar Galactica with the subtitles on because they spent so much time whispering and mumbling to each other.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 19 April, 2012, 02:06:07 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 19 April, 2012, 02:06:07 PM
With IMAX speakers built into the whole cinema ceiling l'm sure we will hear Banes dialogue clearly. Even if its hard to hear Bane it will probably be his actions rather than his narrative that will really make the biggest impact on screen. With digital sound tech these days this won't be an issue.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 24 April, 2012, 12:12:46 PM
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 24 April, 2012, 12:12:46 PM
Just a thought...
(http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj613/SpetsnaZ991/TNWR.jpg)
(http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj613/SpetsnaZ991/TNWR.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: brendan1 on 24 April, 2012, 02:35:53 PM
Post by: brendan1 on 24 April, 2012, 02:35:53 PM
If they want to kill the franchise stone dead, Nightwing is certainly the way to go.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 25 April, 2012, 09:19:22 AM
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 25 April, 2012, 09:19:22 AM
Theres a lot of speculation on other forums and such that joseph gordon-levitt will be either Robin or Nightwing.
People are pointing out things such as the banner in the trailer a funnily drawn 'R' or that the player left on the football pitch has the name 'Ward' on the back of his shirt.
People are pointing out things such as the banner in the trailer a funnily drawn 'R' or that the player left on the football pitch has the name 'Ward' on the back of his shirt.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mr.Fastrope on 25 April, 2012, 09:26:00 AM
Post by: Mr.Fastrope on 25 April, 2012, 09:26:00 AM
there are so many badass movies at this year :)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 April, 2012, 10:52:52 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 April, 2012, 10:52:52 AM
Quote from: SpetsnaZ99 on 25 April, 2012, 09:19:22 AM
People are pointing out things such as the banner in the trailer a funnily drawn 'R' or that the player left on the football pitch has the name 'Ward' on the back of his shirt.
but those easter eggs have nothing to do with Levitt's character.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Radbacker on 25 April, 2012, 02:15:19 PM
Post by: Radbacker on 25 April, 2012, 02:15:19 PM
I think i've nailed the plot down to this I'll spoil incase i'm correct. [spoiler]To me the return of Ra's (Lian Neson's character from the first) links this to the first movie more than anything, wasn't The League or Shadow original plan to turn Bruce Wayne into a force for them, wreaking havok and causing all sorts of problems in the city spo they can move in? We'll Bane is just their new Batman, trained up and set loose on the city with a whole heap of back up (we've seen the camo Tumblers, undoubtly an expensive piece of kit). Also in the trailer Selina Kyle is telling Bruce Wayne its time the power were torn down much like the league's original plan before Batman went rouge on them.[/spoiler] Looking forward to this one quite a bit, hear its going to be a long one, early cuts at nearly 3 hours!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 25 April, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 25 April, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 25 April, 2012, 10:52:52 AM
but those easter eggs have nothing to do with Levitt's character.
Some have even speculated that his character is a cover (possibly The Riddler), and another person said that he might even be the young kid who batman gave the gadget to in Batman Begins. I dont know, but i think the hand over from Batman to Nightwing is a nice idea
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 25 April, 2012, 02:22:23 PM
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 25 April, 2012, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: Radbacker on 25 April, 2012, 02:15:19 PM
hear its going to be a long one, early cuts at nearly 3 hours!
Thats certainly enough time to train a Robin then
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 April, 2012, 02:37:03 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 April, 2012, 02:37:03 PM
Quote from: Radbacker on 25 April, 2012, 02:15:19 PM
Looking forward to this one quite a bit, hear its going to be a long one, early cuts at nearly 3 hours!
I believe it's 2 hours 40 and I'd be surprised if it can sustain it. The Dark Knight struggled with repetition plot-wise.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 25 April, 2012, 02:38:50 PM
Post by: Goaty on 25 April, 2012, 02:38:50 PM
I dont think it will be just one timeline in the film, I think
[spoiler]That Bane hurt Batman, and few years later he is back as the city is under siege... [/spoiler]
[spoiler]That Bane hurt Batman, and few years later he is back as the city is under siege... [/spoiler]
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 April, 2012, 02:40:05 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 April, 2012, 02:40:05 PM
Quote from: SpetsnaZ99 on 25 April, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
and another person said that he might even be the young kid who batman gave the gadget to in Batman Begins.
but wouldn't he be only about 15 at most now when Levitt's character is in his 20's.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 25 April, 2012, 03:53:07 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 25 April, 2012, 03:53:07 PM
Is it possible he will temporarily be given the mantle of the Bat while Wayne recovers from a crushing defeat at the hands of Bane? ! ::)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 25 April, 2012, 05:52:40 PM
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 25 April, 2012, 05:52:40 PM
Maybe DC are gonna rip off the Avengers and do a Teen Titans movie thing...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 25 April, 2012, 06:29:30 PM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 25 April, 2012, 06:29:30 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 25 April, 2012, 02:38:50 PM
I dont think it will be just one timeline in the film, I think
[spoiler]That Bane hurt Batman, and few years later he is back as the city is under siege... [/spoiler]
Yeah, that's how I see it too.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 02 May, 2012, 11:10:30 AM
Post by: Goaty on 02 May, 2012, 11:10:30 AM
3rd Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m5VDDJlsD6I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m5VDDJlsD6I)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m5VDDJlsD6I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m5VDDJlsD6I)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 02 May, 2012, 11:11:21 AM
Post by: radiator on 02 May, 2012, 11:11:21 AM
I am going to try and not watch the trailers for The Dark Knight Rises and Prometheus until I see the films - wish me luck!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 02 May, 2012, 11:36:57 AM
Post by: Michaelvk on 02 May, 2012, 11:36:57 AM
Quote from: radiator on 02 May, 2012, 11:11:21 AM
I am going to try and not watch the trailers for The Dark Knight Rises and Prometheus until I see the films - wish me luck!
Same here, though failed dismally on the Dark Knight rises when the boss called me over to look at something (..turned out to be the trailer.. Whoah!!)
As for Prometheus.. A trailer came on telly and I immediately switched channel in a comedy style fumbling moment.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 02 May, 2012, 11:51:47 AM
Post by: radiator on 02 May, 2012, 11:51:47 AM
I couldn't avoid the Prometheus trailer as it showed before The Avengers - not sure if that's the same one that just hit the net though.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 02 May, 2012, 11:59:04 AM
Post by: Goaty on 02 May, 2012, 11:59:04 AM
Quote from: radiator on 02 May, 2012, 11:51:47 AM
I couldn't avoid the Prometheus trailer as it showed before The Avengers - not sure if that's the same one that just hit the net though.
No, not same trailer.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 03 May, 2012, 08:29:03 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 03 May, 2012, 08:29:03 AM
Quote from: Goaty on 02 May, 2012, 11:10:30 AM
3rd Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m5VDDJlsD6I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m5VDDJlsD6I)
:o - WOW! Shut my mouth if that isn't one hell of a trailer, interesting to see such a genuinely sombre tone for a big summer comic-book movie, and as for the shots of the Batpod racing down the Gotham streets, is it me or did anyone else immediately think "Lawmaster!"... if this film isn't the greatest showstopper in the history of filmdom, they're going to hang Nolan, for that trailer has not only raised the bar, it's practically napalmed it...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 03 May, 2012, 08:45:35 AM
Post by: TordelBack on 03 May, 2012, 08:45:35 AM
It's odd, what with me being a frothing nerd and well-disposed towards the character, but Nolan's Batman films leave me utterly cold.
Batman Begins was... professional, but ultimately unengaging, and I have never managed to motivate myself to watch Dark Knight. Similarly this trailer does absolutely nothing for me, except perhaps to raise a quizzical eyebrow over Catwoman's awful, awful mask. Looks like portentous pretentious washed-out gravelly-voiced nonsense.
Does this mean I am now officially dead inside? Will I soon find myself unable to enjoy leather-clad ladies' bottoms, exploding bridges and choppily cut fight-scenes altogether?
Batman Begins was... professional, but ultimately unengaging, and I have never managed to motivate myself to watch Dark Knight. Similarly this trailer does absolutely nothing for me, except perhaps to raise a quizzical eyebrow over Catwoman's awful, awful mask. Looks like portentous pretentious washed-out gravelly-voiced nonsense.
Does this mean I am now officially dead inside? Will I soon find myself unable to enjoy leather-clad ladies' bottoms, exploding bridges and choppily cut fight-scenes altogether?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 03 May, 2012, 08:48:37 AM
Post by: dweezil2 on 03 May, 2012, 08:48:37 AM
Of got to say I've found all the Dark Knight Rises trailers pretty underwhelming. That's not to say that I'm not looking forward to seeing it but there are several films I'm far more excited about-Prometheus and Dredd for starters.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 03 May, 2012, 09:14:14 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 03 May, 2012, 09:14:14 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 03 May, 2012, 08:45:35 AM
Does this mean I am now officially dead inside? Will I soon find myself unable to enjoy leather-clad ladies' bottoms, exploding bridges and choppily cut fight-scenes altogether?
Only if you stop watching those home movies you made for supposedly 'educational' purposes :D ...
Quote from: dweezil2 on 03 May, 2012, 08:48:37 AM
Of got to say I've found all the Dark Knight Rises trailers pretty underwhelming. That's not to say that I'm not looking forward to seeing it but there are several films I'm far more excited about-Prometheus and Dredd for starters.
I just had a thought about Dredd; I don't think we'll see a trailer until July precisely because of massive movies like TDKR and The Avengers, there's simply no way an independent $45m R-rated movie based on a relatively obscure (outside of the U.K. and Ireland) comic-book is going to be able to compete with the enormity of the studio tentpole releases, I believe they're deliberately waiting for those movies to be released, for the hype and hysteria to die down, and then there'll be considerably more room in the marketplace to promote Dredd via a trailer and whatnot, could be wrong (again!) though...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mudcrab on 03 May, 2012, 05:17:50 PM
Post by: Mudcrab on 03 May, 2012, 05:17:50 PM
Think the only that made The Dark Knight worth watching was Heath Ledger, so nothing to look forward to here (can't stand the gravelly overcooked voice either). Catwoman I guess, for far shallower reasons. Meh, will wait for the rental. As has been said, Prometheus and Dredd are the only things that'll get me to the pictures this year.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 24 May, 2012, 01:14:05 PM
Post by: Goaty on 24 May, 2012, 01:14:05 PM
Two TV spots;
I like the introduction of Bat-Wing;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kOR7bE5AdTQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kOR7bE5AdTQ)
Funny and cute in the end of clip;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=imE3EaitaHk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=imE3EaitaHk)
I like the introduction of Bat-Wing;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kOR7bE5AdTQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kOR7bE5AdTQ)
Funny and cute in the end of clip;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=imE3EaitaHk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=imE3EaitaHk)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 24 May, 2012, 04:14:34 PM
Post by: Goaty on 24 May, 2012, 04:14:34 PM
Nice Bat-Pod...
Could be nice Judge Lawmaster?
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/61026.jpg)
Could be nice Judge Lawmaster?
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/61026.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 24 May, 2012, 06:01:01 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 24 May, 2012, 06:01:01 PM
Nolan for Dredd 2 in IMAX. We will get a kickass lawmaster from a rehashed bat pod and a realistically creepy Judge Death to boot.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 24 May, 2012, 09:21:23 PM
Post by: Goaty on 24 May, 2012, 09:21:23 PM
Like this, Darcula1;
Sorry for geek art work!
(http://i.imgur.com/WeNYD.jpg?1)
Sorry for geek art work!
(http://i.imgur.com/WeNYD.jpg?1)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 May, 2012, 09:24:42 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 May, 2012, 09:24:42 PM
(http://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/6776/1337683140/1930sdreddbig.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 24 May, 2012, 09:25:29 PM
Post by: Goaty on 24 May, 2012, 09:25:29 PM
Haha! That's brilliant, Mr Soap, not see it before! where that from?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 24 May, 2012, 09:55:53 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 24 May, 2012, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 24 May, 2012, 09:21:23 PM
Like this, Darcula1;
Sorry for geek art work!
(http://i.imgur.com/WeNYD.jpg?1)
Goaty that's spot on, you are a artistic wizard.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: strontium71 on 24 May, 2012, 10:02:55 PM
Post by: strontium71 on 24 May, 2012, 10:02:55 PM
That'd do me!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 May, 2012, 10:03:31 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 May, 2012, 10:03:31 PM
What Nolan has really been doing in his past 3 Bat-films is riffing on the Dark Knight Returns:
The Mutants gang?
(http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Bane-The-Dark-Knight-Rises-wall-poster-1024x470.jpg)
The Mutants gang?
(http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Bane-The-Dark-Knight-Rises-wall-poster-1024x470.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 May, 2012, 10:04:58 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 May, 2012, 10:04:58 PM
(http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Bane-Batman-standoff-The-Dark-Knight-Rises-wall-poster.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 May, 2012, 10:06:10 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 May, 2012, 10:06:10 PM
Day of Chaos?
(http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Batman-The-Dark-Knight-Rises-wall-poster.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 24 May, 2012, 10:39:24 PM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 24 May, 2012, 10:39:24 PM
THIS-IS-AWESOME-AWESOME-THIS-IS-AWESOME-AWESOME
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 May, 2012, 10:40:59 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 May, 2012, 10:40:59 PM
BBBBWWWWWAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRNNNNN.....................
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 24 May, 2012, 10:43:38 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 24 May, 2012, 10:43:38 PM
That's quite true Mr. Soap it certainly does look very Miller-esk in tone.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 24 May, 2012, 11:04:34 PM
Post by: Goaty on 24 May, 2012, 11:04:34 PM
Ooooooooohhh
(http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/f/four-epic-new-banners-for-the-dark-knight-rises-103719-00-1000-100.jpg)
(http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/f/four-epic-new-banners-for-the-dark-knight-rises-103719-00-1000-100.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 24 May, 2012, 11:44:52 PM
Post by: TordelBack on 24 May, 2012, 11:44:52 PM
Oh grud, what's wrong with me. That poster does absolutely nothing for me. It's a cute lady in skintight leathers on a lawmaster blowing stuff up. That's 4 for 4. But still, nothing.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 24 May, 2012, 11:54:53 PM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 24 May, 2012, 11:54:53 PM
Racist.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 24 May, 2012, 11:55:47 PM
Post by: TordelBack on 24 May, 2012, 11:55:47 PM
How can it be a race when there's only the one bike?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 24 May, 2012, 11:58:02 PM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 24 May, 2012, 11:58:02 PM
Her facial features aren't stubby and potato-y enough for you.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 May, 2012, 12:01:21 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 May, 2012, 12:01:21 AM
It's bad, boring photoshop (how Roger does up all his corpse-partners)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 25 May, 2012, 01:59:26 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 25 May, 2012, 01:59:26 AM
Hhhmmm, either...
..or...
... and the winner is... I can't decide, they're both masterpieces, but I guess it's Joe's contribution for just sheer entertainment value, but special mention to the prince of darkness' contribution, if THAT was the Lawmaster in Dredd, we'd be very happy indeed, especially the ridiculously huge tyres...
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 May, 2012, 09:24:42 PM
(http://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/6776/1337683140/1930sdreddbig.jpg)
..or...
Quote from: dracula1 on 24 May, 2012, 09:55:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/WeNYD.jpg?1)
... and the winner is... I can't decide, they're both masterpieces, but I guess it's Joe's contribution for just sheer entertainment value, but special mention to the prince of darkness' contribution, if THAT was the Lawmaster in Dredd, we'd be very happy indeed, especially the ridiculously huge tyres...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 25 May, 2012, 07:22:50 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 25 May, 2012, 07:22:50 AM
Interesting little titbit I came across, take it with a pinch of salt, believe it or don't - http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=60391 - personally, I'm hoping for a running time around the 160-170 minutes mark, if you're going to end it, end it on a truly epic note and make The Avengers (Assemble) look like an extended television movie by comparison, but how long will TDKR be, as long as Sir Christopher of Nolan deems it appropriate to be, and that's enough for me...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 May, 2012, 09:42:19 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 May, 2012, 09:42:19 AM
Over 3 hours? I hope not. TDK was all ready overlong and suffered from multiple scene repetitions yet had a completely undeveloped storyline (Two-Face).
Avengers had the proper character work to sustain its length.
Avengers had the proper character work to sustain its length.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 25 May, 2012, 11:04:30 AM
Post by: radiator on 25 May, 2012, 11:04:30 AM
There's a fair bit of ropey photoshopping going on in those banners.
I like Bane's dinky-sized tumbler.
I like Bane's dinky-sized tumbler.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 25 May, 2012, 02:03:15 PM
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 25 May, 2012, 02:03:15 PM
(http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj613/SpetsnaZ991/BaneSings.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 25 May, 2012, 08:51:05 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 25 May, 2012, 08:51:05 PM
If its three hours plus its all good ... more value for your Imax ticket.
Show them how to make an epic Chris!
Show them how to make an epic Chris!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 May, 2012, 09:12:18 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 May, 2012, 09:12:18 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 25 May, 2012, 08:51:05 PM
If its three hours plus its all good ... more value for your Imax ticket.
Show them how to make an epic Chris!
You'll be the one paying for haemorrhoid cream though.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 26 May, 2012, 02:32:39 PM
Post by: Goaty on 26 May, 2012, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 24 May, 2012, 11:44:52 PM
Oh grud, what's wrong with me. That poster does absolutely nothing for me. It's a cute lady in skintight leathers on a lawmaster blowing stuff up. That's 4 for 4. But still, nothing.
How about this?
(http://www.impawards.com/2012/posters/dark_knight_rises_ver16.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 30 May, 2012, 09:36:13 PM
Post by: Goaty on 30 May, 2012, 09:36:13 PM
Meow!
(http://auth.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/thedarkknightrises2.jpg)
(http://auth.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/thedarkknightrises2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 30 May, 2012, 09:37:10 PM
Post by: Goaty on 30 May, 2012, 09:37:10 PM
Nice... if they change Batman into Dredd in this poster?
(http://auth.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/thedarkknightrises1.jpg)
(http://auth.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/thedarkknightrises1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 30 May, 2012, 09:40:00 PM
Post by: TordelBack on 30 May, 2012, 09:40:00 PM
Isn't that a panel from Thunderbolt and Smokey?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 30 May, 2012, 11:12:23 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 30 May, 2012, 11:12:23 PM
It looks like he bat-farted and upset all the street-rubbish.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 30 May, 2012, 11:37:16 PM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 30 May, 2012, 11:37:16 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 25 May, 2012, 09:42:19 AM
Over 3 hours? I hope not. TDK was all ready overlong and suffered from multiple scene repetitions yet had a completely undeveloped storyline (Two-Face).
Avengers had the proper character work to sustain its length.
Yeah, it's supposed to just be a silly superhero movie. It's not like it's an Apatow movie or anything.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Misanthrope on 31 May, 2012, 02:46:02 AM
Post by: Misanthrope on 31 May, 2012, 02:46:02 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 30 May, 2012, 11:12:23 PM
It looks like he bat-farted and upset all the street-rubbish.
It was a GOD DAMN bat-fart.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 05 June, 2012, 02:06:13 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 05 June, 2012, 02:06:13 AM
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 25 May, 2012, 07:22:50 AM
personally, I'm hoping for a running time around the 160-170 minutes mark, if you're going to end it, end it on a truly epic note
And I've gotten my wish - http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1686473/dark-knight-rises-three-3-hour-runtime.jhtml - 165 minutes sounds about right to me, lots of time to go out with a bang, not too long and drawn out, in Nolan we trust...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Fisticuffs on 07 June, 2012, 05:45:53 PM
Post by: Fisticuffs on 07 June, 2012, 05:45:53 PM
Did anyone else catch the footage shown at the MTV awards? It was on the EMPIRE site for a short while and now I can't find it anywhere. Banes 'Let the games begin!' line was simply awesome. I know some people aren't fans but I think his voice works fantastically.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 07 June, 2012, 06:00:04 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 07 June, 2012, 06:00:04 PM
Drokk!! I missed it! If anybody locates it please post a link :-)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 08 June, 2012, 11:55:17 AM
Post by: SpetsnaZ99 on 08 June, 2012, 11:55:17 AM
Quote from: dracula1 on 07 June, 2012, 06:00:04 PM
Drokk!! I missed it! If anybody locates it please post a link :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWWl4rMPr2w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWWl4rMPr2w)
and
http://www.flicksnews.net/2012/06/dark-knight-rises-mtv-movie-awards.html (http://www.flicksnews.net/2012/06/dark-knight-rises-mtv-movie-awards.html)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 08 June, 2012, 04:12:39 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 08 June, 2012, 04:12:39 PM
:D Thanks for the links l'm checking them out now!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 08 June, 2012, 04:20:16 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 08 June, 2012, 04:20:16 PM
The second link :o wow! what an amazing trailer! Suddenly l've forgotten all about hanging about aiting for Dredd news.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 08 June, 2012, 05:46:20 PM
Post by: TordelBack on 08 June, 2012, 05:46:20 PM
That was slightly better.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 19 June, 2012, 03:00:18 PM
Post by: Goaty on 19 June, 2012, 03:00:18 PM
New final trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQqjK47c04&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQqjK47c04&feature=youtu.be)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQqjK47c04&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQqjK47c04&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 19 June, 2012, 03:17:30 PM
Post by: TordelBack on 19 June, 2012, 03:17:30 PM
I finally get this movie! It's a movie sequel to popular John Lithgow series Third Rock from the Sun!
Finally dumped for good by Mary, Dick (Tom Hardy) has decided to carry out his mission and judge the human race Doomlord-style, and it's up to idiot savant Harry (Christian Bale`) to put on a gimp suit and stop him, partly assisted and partly hindered by Sally (Anne Hathaway) in her French Maid outfit and Tommy (Tommy) in his cop PJs. The loyalties of landlady Mrs. Dubcek (Marion Cotillard) and Officer Don (Gary Oldman) in this conflict are unclear. Most sinisterly, the arch-manipulator Dr. Strudwick (Liam Neeson) is nowhere to be seen.
Finally dumped for good by Mary, Dick (Tom Hardy) has decided to carry out his mission and judge the human race Doomlord-style, and it's up to idiot savant Harry (Christian Bale`) to put on a gimp suit and stop him, partly assisted and partly hindered by Sally (Anne Hathaway) in her French Maid outfit and Tommy (Tommy) in his cop PJs. The loyalties of landlady Mrs. Dubcek (Marion Cotillard) and Officer Don (Gary Oldman) in this conflict are unclear. Most sinisterly, the arch-manipulator Dr. Strudwick (Liam Neeson) is nowhere to be seen.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 19 June, 2012, 04:19:45 PM
Post by: Goaty on 19 June, 2012, 04:19:45 PM
Funny, TordelBack :)
The Trailer does looks awesome! "No, I am not afraid, I am angry"
The Trailer does looks awesome! "No, I am not afraid, I am angry"
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 20 June, 2012, 03:44:13 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 20 June, 2012, 03:44:13 AM
Quote from: Goaty on 19 June, 2012, 03:00:18 PM
New final trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQqjK47c04&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQqjK47c04&feature=youtu.be)
Wow, definitely saved the best for last, awesome...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 03 July, 2012, 12:48:18 PM
Post by: Goaty on 03 July, 2012, 12:48:18 PM
So bring the cushion to the cinema?
As The Dark Knight Rises will last 164m 27s and is rated 12A.
As The Dark Knight Rises will last 164m 27s and is rated 12A.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 03 July, 2012, 12:53:35 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 03 July, 2012, 12:53:35 PM
Unfortunately Bale sounds even more 'Cookie Monster' in this installment.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 03 July, 2012, 12:55:28 PM
Post by: Goaty on 03 July, 2012, 12:55:28 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 03 July, 2012, 12:53:35 PM
Unfortunately Bale sounds even more 'Cookie Monster' in this installment.
Well, it don't bother me :D
Hope the subtitle writers can hear it fine? lol
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Hoagy on 03 July, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
Post by: Hoagy on 03 July, 2012, 01:04:52 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 03 July, 2012, 12:55:28 PMQuote from: JOE SOAP on 03 July, 2012, 12:53:35 PM
Unfortunately Bale sounds even more 'Cookie Monster' in this installment.
Well, it don't bother me :D
Hope the subtitle writers can hear it fine? lol
It might be these guys though eh?
http://orgyincamelot.tumblr.com/post/7071414949
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnl5rasqfm1qbxeju.jpg) :D
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mudcrab on 03 July, 2012, 01:05:57 PM
Post by: Mudcrab on 03 July, 2012, 01:05:57 PM
As Fry would say... Meh, I'm bored. You're boring, Batman.
That said, not been incredibly gripped by the last 2 so not surprising that there's nothing about this that's exciting me. Even Anne Hathaway as Catwoman is just making want to watch Underworld again instead.
Bale sounds like a cheap Dredd ;)
That said, not been incredibly gripped by the last 2 so not surprising that there's nothing about this that's exciting me. Even Anne Hathaway as Catwoman is just making want to watch Underworld again instead.
Bale sounds like a cheap Dredd ;)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 04 July, 2012, 12:23:09 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 04 July, 2012, 12:23:09 AM
(http://cf.badassdigest.com/_uploads/images/23555/adamwestrise__span.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Professor Bear on 04 July, 2012, 12:35:27 AM
Post by: Professor Bear on 04 July, 2012, 12:35:27 AM
You think you're being a smartarse, Joe, but all you've done is make me resolve to get Batman 66 on Blu Ray. Interesting to note that the cod-grim panto of Dark Knight has become the defacto parody of comic book nonsense much as Adam West's camp take was at the time. It all comes around again.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 04 July, 2012, 12:43:49 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 04 July, 2012, 12:43:49 AM
That was my intention, of course.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 04 July, 2012, 12:45:34 AM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 04 July, 2012, 12:45:34 AM
FUCK LONG-ASS MOVIES.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 04 July, 2012, 04:25:19 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 04 July, 2012, 04:25:19 AM
Disagree there, a 164-minute running time for the epic finale to a truly epic and game-changing trilogy, take my money now, just take it, I'm there already... in Nolan we trust (even though I just can't get into Inception no matter how hard I try, just don't care about the characters in it)...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 04 July, 2012, 06:15:06 AM
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 04 July, 2012, 06:15:06 AM
Roger is talking about the type of movies that he likes to watch with his mom ;)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 04 July, 2012, 08:27:34 AM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 04 July, 2012, 08:27:34 AM
Who does Chris Nolan think he is, Judd Apatow?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 04 July, 2012, 10:49:29 PM
Post by: Mardroid on 04 July, 2012, 10:49:29 PM
I like Nolan's batman films, although not as much as many seem to.
I agree they're too long though.
I agree they're too long though.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 05 July, 2012, 12:02:19 PM
Post by: Goaty on 05 July, 2012, 12:02:19 PM
Ooh I like that promo photo... but at least the Dredd Motion poster are the best! :D
(http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/j/jonathan-nolan-talks-the-dark-knight-rises-107415-02-1000-100.jpg)
(http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/j/jonathan-nolan-talks-the-dark-knight-rises-107415-02-1000-100.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 05 July, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 05 July, 2012, 12:05:59 PM
Rinse?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Link Prime on 05 July, 2012, 09:54:23 PM
Post by: Link Prime on 05 July, 2012, 09:54:23 PM
Just saw a new ad for this on tv- thought I saw something Azrael-ish, but guess rum & antihistamines don't mix too well.
Lookin forward to it though.
Lookin forward to it though.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 06 July, 2012, 12:39:02 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 06 July, 2012, 12:39:02 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 05 July, 2012, 09:54:23 PM
Just saw a new ad for this on tv- thought I saw something Azrael-ish, but guess rum & antihistamines don't mix too well.
Lookin forward to it though.
Now that would be lovely twist for the third installment! :D
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 July, 2012, 10:30:49 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 July, 2012, 10:30:49 PM
13 and a half mins of Bat-Wank:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UuUxqfAOUM&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UuUxqfAOUM&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 07 July, 2012, 10:40:43 PM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 07 July, 2012, 10:40:43 PM
This movie will fail unless we get to see Bane's Bronson.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 07 July, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
Post by: TordelBack on 07 July, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
Christopher Nolan is the spit of Tim Nice-But-Dim.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Frank on 07 July, 2012, 11:14:40 PM
Post by: Frank on 07 July, 2012, 11:14:40 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 July, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
Christopher Nolan is the spit of Tim Nice-But-Dim.
Bloody good bloke.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 July, 2012, 11:18:09 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 July, 2012, 11:18:09 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 July, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
Christopher Nolan is the spit of Tim Nice-But-Dim.
Ain't he just, and he just loves to flash his heavage at any opportunity. I don't like that in a man, it's weak, weak.
(http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2010/07/09/christopher-nolan-dark.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 08 July, 2012, 12:19:26 AM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 08 July, 2012, 12:19:26 AM
THIS IS MY CHEST MYCHEST THIS IS MY CHEST MYCHEST
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 08 July, 2012, 04:11:19 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 08 July, 2012, 04:11:19 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 July, 2012, 10:30:49 PM
13 and a half mins of Bat-Wank:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UuUxqfAOUM&feature=player_embedded
Aw, c'mon Joe dude, that featurette was AWESOME, thanks for linking to it, I most certainly enjoyed it even if your good self didn't...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 08 July, 2012, 05:11:24 PM
Post by: Mardroid on 08 July, 2012, 05:11:24 PM
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 08 July, 2012, 04:11:19 AM
I most certainly enjoyed it..
Me too. Although Cat woman's "There's a storm coming" made me groan inside.
I love the design of the bat-wing, although I'm not sure how it would stay up in the air. (And don't say 'they use a crane'. I mean in the film world not the real world.)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 09 July, 2012, 06:12:21 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 09 July, 2012, 06:12:21 AM
Quote from: Mardroid on 08 July, 2012, 05:11:24 PM
Me too. Although Cat woman's "There's a storm coming" made me groan inside.
Yeah, but that line in the trailers where she says quite emphatically "you don't owe these people anymore, you've given them everything" gives me chills every time, it just so encapsulates Bruce Wayne's crusade to save Gotham into a single soundbite, lovely...
Quote from: Mardroid on 08 July, 2012, 05:11:24 PM
I love the design of the bat-wing, although I'm not sure how it would stay up in the air. (And don't say 'they use a crane'. I mean in the film world not the real world.)
There's small twin rotor blades under the wings that circulate the air downward and give it momentum (or something like that)...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 10 July, 2012, 10:18:48 PM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 10 July, 2012, 10:18:48 PM
TV spot that has jokes and stuff in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgfVXgVn6D8&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgfVXgVn6D8&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 July, 2012, 11:31:18 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 10 July, 2012, 11:31:18 PM
Bane is blind as a bat:
(http://i.imgur.com/DvoGW.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DvoGW.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 11 July, 2012, 12:03:14 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 11 July, 2012, 12:03:14 PM
Now thats a scary and ultra intimidating Bane :o! Bats is going to get beaten to a pulp. :'(
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 11 July, 2012, 12:13:10 PM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 11 July, 2012, 12:13:10 PM
"mm gnna poop on yor chest batmun"
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 11 July, 2012, 02:15:48 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 11 July, 2012, 02:15:48 PM
We'll leave that one for the porno spin off Mr Godpleton! :lol:
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 12 July, 2012, 01:06:47 AM
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 12 July, 2012, 01:06:47 AM
I plan to watch this when it comes out, and liked the previous two, but for some reason I am completely unhyped.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 12 July, 2012, 03:19:42 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 12 July, 2012, 03:19:42 AM
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 11 July, 2012, 12:13:10 PM
"mm gnna poop on yor chest batmun"
::)
Quote from: MR. ELIMINATOR on 12 July, 2012, 01:06:47 AM
I plan to watch this when it comes out, and liked the previous two, but for some reason I am completely unhyped.
First showing at 10.00 a.m. on July 20th at the Movie House on Dublin Road, Belfast, will be there front row center, love the first two, am thoroughly hyped, stoked, pumped, and generally pretty excited for this one... all 164 glorious minutes of it, OH BABY!!!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 12 July, 2012, 08:51:47 AM
Post by: Goaty on 12 July, 2012, 08:51:47 AM
Wow, by our Jock!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/324056_10151014532997708_1664495986_o.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/324056_10151014532997708_1664495986_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 12 July, 2012, 09:39:17 AM
Post by: radiator on 12 July, 2012, 09:39:17 AM
DON'T look at the full version of that poster. I just did and I think I saw a massive spoiler...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Link Prime on 12 July, 2012, 09:49:55 AM
Post by: Link Prime on 12 July, 2012, 09:49:55 AM
What, you mean the triangular chest-plate hinting that its the Azrael-Batman?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 12 July, 2012, 12:43:12 PM
Post by: Tiplodocus on 12 July, 2012, 12:43:12 PM
Mods, can you spoiler tag LINK PRIMES spoilerific reply please. I've seen it but maybe you can help some other unfortunate soul.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Link Prime on 12 July, 2012, 02:05:36 PM
Post by: Link Prime on 12 July, 2012, 02:05:36 PM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 12 July, 2012, 12:43:12 PM
Mods, can you spoiler tag LINK PRIMES spoilerific reply please. I've seen it but maybe you can help some other unfortunate soul.
Sorry man, I genuinely don't know how to 'spoiler tag' it, and I can't modify it now.
Its not that big a secret though is it? I mean, anyone that's read or even knows the general premise of 'Knightfall' is aware that its a probable DNR plot template don't they?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 12 July, 2012, 10:19:38 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 12 July, 2012, 10:19:38 PM
Right that's it you lot have ruined my cinema experience relating to this film. I'm going to sue you and the mods and get compensation by way of payment for tickets. The pricey ones too at IMAX 3D :-/
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2012, 08:57:33 AM
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2012, 08:57:33 AM
If anyone cares about this film (I do!)
Empire give it 5 in the review.
Empire give it 5 in the review.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2012, 09:08:31 AM
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2012, 09:08:31 AM
Now Total Film gives it 5 too.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 16 July, 2012, 09:29:54 AM
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 16 July, 2012, 09:29:54 AM
Susanna Reid has just been straddling the batbike on bbc breakfast, and the director DID NOT order her shot from behind at any point, so her magnificent arse went unseen.
Could this film get any worse?
SBT
Could this film get any worse?
SBT
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: HdE on 16 July, 2012, 09:40:34 AM
Post by: HdE on 16 July, 2012, 09:40:34 AM
I'm STILL not interested in The Dark Knight Rises, to be blunt.
The running time seems way too long. I have a horrible feeling it's going to repeat all the mistakes Nolan made with The Dark Knight - which I STILL think is a rubbish movie, full of flab and angst.
BUT - the hype HAS made me pre-order the two new print editions of Knightfall that have been released so far. So some good comes out of it for me, at least!
I truly hope the movie lives up to expectations for those eagerly awaiting it.
The running time seems way too long. I have a horrible feeling it's going to repeat all the mistakes Nolan made with The Dark Knight - which I STILL think is a rubbish movie, full of flab and angst.
BUT - the hype HAS made me pre-order the two new print editions of Knightfall that have been released so far. So some good comes out of it for me, at least!
I truly hope the movie lives up to expectations for those eagerly awaiting it.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 16 July, 2012, 09:49:53 AM
Post by: dracula1 on 16 July, 2012, 09:49:53 AM
The count down to Friday begins :D
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2012, 12:54:25 PM
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2012, 12:54:25 PM
Nice poster from Mondo!
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/8133/original/tdkr-olly-moss-mondo-poster.jpg?1342315415)
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/8133/original/tdkr-olly-moss-mondo-poster.jpg?1342315415)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 16 July, 2012, 02:25:54 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 16 July, 2012, 02:25:54 PM
They seem to have re-dubbed Bane's voice due to popular reaction at least 3 times. In the trailer I saw at the cinema my sister still couldn't understand what Bane was saying lol I can however understand Bane. But I heard that Nolan wanted Bane to have an accent that was american but with a jamaican twang - from the bits of Bane dialogue I have heard, Hardy seems to sound like he's doing a bad impression of Obi Wan with his fingers over his nose.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mardroid on 16 July, 2012, 06:30:58 PM
Post by: Mardroid on 16 July, 2012, 06:30:58 PM
I had some difficulty understanding him in past clips, but I had little difficulty in the recent trailer.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 16 July, 2012, 06:34:12 PM
Post by: Steve Green on 16 July, 2012, 06:34:12 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 16 July, 2012, 09:29:54 AM
Susanna Reid has just been straddling the batbike on bbc breakfast, and the director DID NOT order her shot from behind at any point, so her magnificent arse went unseen.
Could this film get any worse?
SBT
Are you scribbling a letter as I type this?
"Dear Points of View, why oh why..."
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 16 July, 2012, 06:52:06 PM
Post by: TordelBack on 16 July, 2012, 06:52:06 PM
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 16 July, 2012, 09:29:54 AM
Susanna Reid has just been straddling the batbike on bbc breakfast, and the director DID NOT order her shot from behind at any point, so her magnificent arse went unseen.
Disgraceful. That rear has been directly funded by the Licence fee for years, it belongs to the people. Attenborough's camera crews should have been recalled from bothering penguins on the Ross Ice Shelf to make a proper record, and a Blu-ray boxset commissioned for a Christmas release (so to speak).
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 08:01:44 PM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 08:01:44 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18859397
God bless the BBC!
God bless the BBC!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 16 July, 2012, 08:20:45 PM
Post by: Tiplodocus on 16 July, 2012, 08:20:45 PM
Mrs Tips is away overnight. THis might just be on a continuous loop...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 08:26:29 PM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 08:26:29 PM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 16 July, 2012, 08:20:45 PM
Mrs Tips is away overnight. THis might just be on a continuous loop...
For a couple of minutes at any rate...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2012, 08:33:22 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2012, 08:33:22 PM
Arsom.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 16 July, 2012, 08:38:53 PM
Post by: dracula1 on 16 July, 2012, 08:38:53 PM
Well straddled luv! :o
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beeks on 16 July, 2012, 08:50:39 PM
Post by: Beeks on 16 July, 2012, 08:50:39 PM
Personally I think Bane is just a bad rip off of Humungus
the ayatollah of rock-and-rollah
the ayatollah of rock-and-rollah
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 17 July, 2012, 12:19:38 AM
Post by: judgeblake on 17 July, 2012, 12:19:38 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 16 July, 2012, 08:01:44 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18859397
God bless the BBC!
I whole-heartedly agree........[drools]....
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 17 July, 2012, 04:12:06 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 17 July, 2012, 04:12:06 AM
Looks like reviews for ...Rises are (almost) universally positive, save for the Daily Mail and Huffington Post voicing dissenting opinions, which really says it all... Empire even managed to shoehorn in a gratuitous (not to mention downright offensive) swipe at Dubya into their otherwise positive review! Other than those mere blips, it looks like Sir Christopher of Nolan has done what no other trilogy director has thus far managed to do; finish the triumvirate with a finale that equals it's two predecessors... God bless 'im.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Michaelvk on 17 July, 2012, 09:07:27 AM
Post by: Michaelvk on 17 July, 2012, 09:07:27 AM
..did I mention I'm working on a job with David S. Goyer right now? ;)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 17 July, 2012, 09:32:16 AM
Post by: dracula1 on 17 July, 2012, 09:32:16 AM
All hail Sir Nolan saviour of the superhero franchise :D
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 17 July, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 17 July, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
Quote from: dracula1 on 17 July, 2012, 09:32:16 AM
All hail Sir Nolan saviour of the superhero franchise :D
If I can be so bold as to quote Crowded House; 'heeyyy now, heey now'
- lest we not forget the very original and gothic conception and redesign of batman and his universe, not to mention the Joker in Tim Burton's original 1989 film?Just comparing the two strains of the same franchise; I still hold Batman (1989) to be as good as The Dark Knight (though I have to admit this maybe due to nostalgia reasons perhaps), and I think Batman Begins is just as good as Batman Returns.
With The Dark Knight Rises about to come out, I wouldn't mind Burton taking up the Bat-mantle or at least giving an interview to state where he would have taken the franchise if he had continued and made a trilogy in the 1990s.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Link Prime on 17 July, 2012, 08:57:34 PM
Post by: Link Prime on 17 July, 2012, 08:57:34 PM
Quote from: judgeblake on 17 July, 2012, 06:23:49 PMQuote from: dracula1 on 17 July, 2012, 09:32:16 AM
All hail Sir Nolan saviour of the superhero franchise :D
If I can be so bold as to quote Crowded House; 'heeyyy now, heey now'
- lest we not forget the very original and gothic conception and redesign of batman and his universe, not to mention the Joker in Tim Burton's original 1989 film?Just comparing the two strains of the same franchise; I still hold Batman (1989) to be as good as The Dark Knight (though I have to admit this maybe due to nostalgia reasons perhaps), and I think Batman Begins is just as good as Batman Returns.
With The Dark Knight Rises about to come out, I wouldn't mind Burton taking up the Bat-mantle or at least
giving an interview to state where he would have taken the franchise if he had continued and made a trilogy in the 1990s.
Judge Blake, I'm afraid- Ahem- you're going to have to hand in your badge. And your Lawgiver.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2012, 09:06:07 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2012, 09:06:07 PM
This is an interesting review of TDKR and I suspect more accurate than the Nolan Bat-Mafia would like to allow or believe:
http://badassdigest.com/2012/07/17/movie-review-the-dark-knight-rises/
http://badassdigest.com/2012/07/17/movie-review-the-dark-knight-rises/
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 17 July, 2012, 09:13:47 PM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 17 July, 2012, 09:13:47 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2012, 09:06:07 PM
Christopher Nolan is my favourite director and I wish he'd let me edit one of his films. I would love to visit him at his palatial Hertfordshire estate where we would hang out all afternoon and drink imported vodka and then have quad bike races. And then his wife would cook us dinner and I could whip up some of my famous potato cakes.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2012, 09:22:03 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2012, 09:22:03 PM
Hans Zimmer is the 'unsung' hero of Nolan's films. He doesn't need to show heavage either.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2012, 11:49:24 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2012, 11:49:24 PM
One for the Beakster:
Rush Limbaugh's Whacky Conspiracy Theory About THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=64040
Rush Limbaugh's Whacky Conspiracy Theory About THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=64040
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 18 July, 2012, 01:59:05 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 18 July, 2012, 01:59:05 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2012, 11:49:24 PM
One for the Beakster:
Rush Limbaugh's Whacky Conspiracy Theory About THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=64040
:lol:, cheers Joe, but it would seem the whole U.S. election thing has taken a turn for the "whacky" already!!!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 18 July, 2012, 02:38:43 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 18 July, 2012, 02:38:43 AM
I think everyone - Left or Right - need to cool it a little with the whole films-as-political-statements thing, you can take it too far someti- oh no, film-related political commentary coming on... must... resist... compulsion... musn't... give... in...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9405999/How-the-Dark-Knight-Rises-reveals-Batmans-Conservative-soul.html#...
...aw hell, sorry about that, I tried my best not to :D, enjoy all...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9405999/How-the-Dark-Knight-Rises-reveals-Batmans-Conservative-soul.html#...
...aw hell, sorry about that, I tried my best not to :D, enjoy all...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Frank on 18 July, 2012, 07:19:32 AM
Post by: Frank on 18 July, 2012, 07:19:32 AM
Quote(Tony Stark) wants to fly around in a metal suit that fires laser beams. It's just what Ayn Rand would have done, if she'd had the budget
Arf! Thanks for the link, Beaky. I don't disagree with most of what that article argues, but Nolan's first film clearly portrays Thomas Wayne as a Keynesian hero; with his large-scale infrastructure project lifting the masses out of economic depression. Nolan then has this communist, interventionist do-gooder shot at point blank range- it's the only language they understand.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 18 July, 2012, 04:17:42 PM
Post by: Goaty on 18 July, 2012, 04:17:42 PM
If anyone nearly Leicester Square today, you will see this;
(https://p.twimg.com/AyGGIyFCAAIMJyb.jpg:large)
(https://p.twimg.com/AyGGIyFCAAIMJyb.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: HdE on 18 July, 2012, 05:49:57 PM
Post by: HdE on 18 July, 2012, 05:49:57 PM
Wow - now THAT is a piece of marketing!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beeks on 18 July, 2012, 06:53:24 PM
Post by: Beeks on 18 July, 2012, 06:53:24 PM
Well was going to see this tomorrow but it seems there are no advance screenings!! What's that about?!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 18 July, 2012, 07:55:53 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 18 July, 2012, 07:55:53 PM
Of to see it on Saturday - hopefully the kids who have got off school won't be screaming or making too much noise, hopefully I won't get Fergee sit in front of me 'HURR HURR HURR' and hopefully I dont get some tourist munching popcorn and watching a movie they don't really understand!!! ....rant over... very impressed with Nolan's marketing campaign as always - but then again I guess he's earned carte blanche.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 July, 2012, 09:20:28 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 July, 2012, 09:20:28 PM
TDKR leaked ending (NSFW)
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/a68048c801/dark-knight-rises-ending-leaked?playlist=featured_videos
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/a68048c801/dark-knight-rises-ending-leaked?playlist=featured_videos
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 18 July, 2012, 09:42:12 PM
Post by: Roger Godpleton on 18 July, 2012, 09:42:12 PM
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Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 July, 2012, 09:47:18 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 July, 2012, 09:47:18 PM
Thankfully you're not a mod.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Frank on 18 July, 2012, 10:29:06 PM
Post by: Frank on 18 July, 2012, 10:29:06 PM
Quote from: Roger Godpleton on 18 July, 2012, 09:42:12 PM
Not safe for squares: [removed]
The horror.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Large48 on 18 July, 2012, 10:57:41 PM
Post by: Large48 on 18 July, 2012, 10:57:41 PM
Been invited to see it at 12.01AM on Friday morning here in the US.
Is it worth me going?
Is it worth me going?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 19 July, 2012, 12:41:56 AM
Post by: judgeblake on 19 July, 2012, 12:41:56 AM
I am avoiding all spoilers lol
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 19 July, 2012, 02:13:04 AM
Post by: judgeblake on 19 July, 2012, 02:13:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3W62sqW6rk&feature=related
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 19 July, 2012, 02:16:09 AM
Post by: Beaky Smoochies on 19 July, 2012, 02:16:09 AM
As one CBM saga ends, hopefully another begins... next stop, September 7th...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 19 July, 2012, 08:56:39 AM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 19 July, 2012, 08:56:39 AM
34 hrs 15mins until I see it!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 19 July, 2012, 08:57:31 AM
Post by: Goaty on 19 July, 2012, 08:57:31 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 19 July, 2012, 08:56:39 AM
34 hrs 15mins until I see it!
Long time till Subtitled version.
:(
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 19 July, 2012, 09:24:06 AM
Post by: TordelBack on 19 July, 2012, 09:24:06 AM
Quote from: Goaty on 19 July, 2012, 08:57:31 AM
Long time till Subtitled version.
BANE: Mumble mumble mumble grarrrgh Gotham will burn mumble grarrgh.
BATMAN: Gravelly grumble Bane! <straining on the toilet sounds>.
FOX: I'm Morgan Freeman.
That should tide you over!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 19 July, 2012, 04:03:45 PM
Post by: Buddy on 19 July, 2012, 04:03:45 PM
Not getting the best or reviews..... The guys at Rotten Tomatoes have been getting death threats from mental Bat fans because of their poor review of it.
Dredd will own this film... roll on September.
Dredd will own this film... roll on September.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 19 July, 2012, 04:10:20 PM
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 19 July, 2012, 04:10:20 PM
Quote from: Buddy on 19 July, 2012, 04:03:45 PM
Not getting the best or reviews..... The guys at Rotten Tomatoes have been getting death threats from mental Bat fans because of their poor review of it.
That's simply not true. The film is getting fantastic reviews -- it got one bad review and the lunatic fringe of the internet went nutsoid and started posting death threats against the reviewer in the comments section of Rotten Tomatoes, prompting them to shut down the comments feature entirely because they couldn't moderate it fast enough...
http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/the-dark-knight-rises-first-negative-review-provokes/276105
Cheers
Jim
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 19 July, 2012, 04:14:56 PM
Post by: radiator on 19 July, 2012, 04:14:56 PM
All comments sections on everything should be disabled permanently.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 19 July, 2012, 04:19:20 PM
Post by: Goaty on 19 July, 2012, 04:19:20 PM
Here the review from Chris Tookey comic movies-hater! What a dickhead! Same man who moans about violence with schoolgirl in Kick-Ass!
Don't let this man review Dredd!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/reviews/article-2175665/The-Dark-Knight-Rises-review-Ridiculous-villians-bombastic-effects-dialogue-I-barely-make-out.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/reviews/article-2175665/The-Dark-Knight-Rises-review-Ridiculous-villians-bombastic-effects-dialogue-I-barely-make-out.html)
Don't let this man review Dredd!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/reviews/article-2175665/The-Dark-Knight-Rises-review-Ridiculous-villians-bombastic-effects-dialogue-I-barely-make-out.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/reviews/article-2175665/The-Dark-Knight-Rises-review-Ridiculous-villians-bombastic-effects-dialogue-I-barely-make-out.html)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 July, 2012, 11:42:30 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 July, 2012, 11:42:30 PM
Harry Knowles calls bullshit on TDKR; falls out of his wheelchair:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/57109
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/57109
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 20 July, 2012, 12:24:56 AM
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 20 July, 2012, 12:24:56 AM
Wow, death threats!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 20 July, 2012, 01:19:28 AM
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 20 July, 2012, 01:19:28 AM
Maybe they need a new kind of (anti) hero.....
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: HdE on 20 July, 2012, 08:41:12 AM
Post by: HdE on 20 July, 2012, 08:41:12 AM
Chris Tookey really is an epic level asswipe.
That is all.
That is all.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 20 July, 2012, 08:54:05 AM
Post by: Goaty on 20 July, 2012, 08:54:05 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 19 July, 2012, 09:24:06 AMQuote from: Goaty on 19 July, 2012, 08:57:31 AM
Long time till Subtitled version.
BANE: Mumble mumble mumble grarrrgh Gotham will burn mumble grarrgh.
BATMAN: Gravelly grumble Bane! <straining on the toilet sounds>.
FOX: I'm Morgan Freeman.
That should tide you over!
Thanks the fuck you not a subtitles writer! haha!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mike Carroll on 20 July, 2012, 09:04:39 AM
Post by: Mike Carroll on 20 July, 2012, 09:04:39 AM
Saw it this morning (5am showing in Vue, Liffey Valley, Dublin). Really enjoyed it. Still buzzed about it so not yet entirely capable of judging it against its predecessors, but it was good. More than that I won't say for fear of spoilers!
-- Mike
-- Mike
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Goaty on 20 July, 2012, 10:04:28 AM
Post by: Goaty on 20 July, 2012, 10:04:28 AM
Don't know what wrongs with people, it went too far.
A masked gunman has attacked a Dark Knight Rises screening in Denver. 10 reported dead.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492)
A masked gunman has attacked a Dark Knight Rises screening in Denver. 10 reported dead.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 20 July, 2012, 10:08:07 AM
Post by: TordelBack on 20 July, 2012, 10:08:07 AM
Fuck.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Syne on 20 July, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
Post by: Syne on 20 July, 2012, 11:26:39 AM
Horrible. Hard to imagine what kind of motivation the guy thought he had. While mass shootings are usually senseless, it seems particularly wrong to think a movie might have triggered it.
:(
:(
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: HdE on 20 July, 2012, 11:33:41 AM
Post by: HdE on 20 July, 2012, 11:33:41 AM
I just saw that on MSN - utterly sickening.
There's not a lot these days in the news that has any kind fo visceral effect on me, but that report actually made me freeze.
Horrible to contemplate, and my heart goes out to the families of the victims. A truly awful occurrence.
There's not a lot these days in the news that has any kind fo visceral effect on me, but that report actually made me freeze.
Horrible to contemplate, and my heart goes out to the families of the victims. A truly awful occurrence.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 20 July, 2012, 11:34:59 AM
Post by: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 20 July, 2012, 11:34:59 AM
14 dead 50 plus injured now. A gunman tossed what possibly is a tear gas grenade in and then indiscriminately fired on theatre goers.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Syne on 20 July, 2012, 11:49:00 AM
Post by: Syne on 20 July, 2012, 11:49:00 AM
Live tweets from someone in the Cinema at the time: https://twitter.com/dingos8myTARDIS
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Stan on 20 July, 2012, 11:49:59 AM
Post by: Stan on 20 July, 2012, 11:49:59 AM
I haven't seen anything about kids being involved. You'd think there'd be a lot less chance of that at a midnight screening.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 July, 2012, 11:56:45 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 July, 2012, 11:56:45 AM
Quote from: Stan on 20 July, 2012, 11:49:59 AM
I haven't seen anything about kids being involved. You'd think there'd be a lot less chance of that at a midnight screening.
A number of kids are injured, the youngest, a six-year old.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: darnmarr on 20 July, 2012, 12:13:57 PM
Post by: darnmarr on 20 July, 2012, 12:13:57 PM
Christ.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Syne on 20 July, 2012, 12:22:16 PM
Post by: Syne on 20 July, 2012, 12:22:16 PM
A few new outlets are now saying the youngest injured is 3 months old. Horrible.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Stan on 20 July, 2012, 12:34:56 PM
Post by: Stan on 20 July, 2012, 12:34:56 PM
What a dirtbag. Even a small injury to a baby could lead to a severe disability.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Link Prime on 20 July, 2012, 12:35:43 PM
Post by: Link Prime on 20 July, 2012, 12:35:43 PM
Just heard about this.
What a sad, sad c*nt this guy must be. I hope Denver PD are kicking the shite out of him as we speak.
What a sad, sad c*nt this guy must be. I hope Denver PD are kicking the shite out of him as we speak.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 20 July, 2012, 02:54:37 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 20 July, 2012, 02:54:37 PM
I can't believe some psycho would something like this. There's no aim or point to it - infact he's picking off vulnerable unarmed people!!! When I heard he had gone in with a gas mask and thrown a few smoke bombs/tear gas bombs I suspected the creep thought he was actually Bane, not Batman. Only God knows what he thought he was accomplishing though!
I was thinking it's acts like this that would actually bring about a Judge system - but not even Judge Dredd can predict what a nutter will do on the spur of the moment and what schizo motivation he has in his deluded head.
I was thinking it's acts like this that would actually bring about a Judge system - but not even Judge Dredd can predict what a nutter will do on the spur of the moment and what schizo motivation he has in his deluded head.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 July, 2012, 02:57:21 PM
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 20 July, 2012, 02:57:21 PM
Can all this talk of the shooting not be split off into the other thread, please?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 20 July, 2012, 03:07:53 PM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 20 July, 2012, 03:07:53 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 July, 2012, 02:57:21 PMcan't do it at the minute as I'm on my phone, but I agree- can we take that conversation to the other thread, please?
Can all this talk of the shooting not be split off into the other thread, please?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: willthemightyW on 20 July, 2012, 05:57:27 PM
Post by: willthemightyW on 20 July, 2012, 05:57:27 PM
Just seen it... it was more than slightly amazing!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: HdE on 20 July, 2012, 07:13:36 PM
Post by: HdE on 20 July, 2012, 07:13:36 PM
I think we're already ahead fo you there, Richie.
On reflection, as awful as the events are, it's only natural that they'd provoke comments here. But it may be best to try to keep this thread on track to discuss the movie itself. It would be awful if this horrendous stuff came to define the movie itself.
Ack - I express myself poorly. But you all get the gist, right?
On reflection, as awful as the events are, it's only natural that they'd provoke comments here. But it may be best to try to keep this thread on track to discuss the movie itself. It would be awful if this horrendous stuff came to define the movie itself.
Ack - I express myself poorly. But you all get the gist, right?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 20 July, 2012, 10:29:08 PM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 20 July, 2012, 10:29:08 PM
Quote from: willthemightyW on 20 July, 2012, 05:57:27 PM
Just seen it... it was more than slightly amazing!
Yes, agreed.
Just back from seeing it, and you can colour me very very happy. Very satisfying end to the trilogy.
So many superb moments in there... spoilers follow!
Loved the [spoiler]cameos[/spoiler] from [spoiler]Nesson and Murphy, [/spoiler]and found myself a little sad that [spoiler]Ledger wasn't around to do one as the Joker.[/spoiler]
Kind of half twigged to [spoiler]who Blake was going to end up as[/spoiler], and was waiting for him to [spoiler]don the Nightwing costume towards the end, but was glad he didn't.[/spoiler]
Didn't see the [spoiler]Talia twist[/spoiler] coming at all!
Performances were astounding all round. Hardy was brilliant, giving an incredible subtlety to Bane. But for me it was Caine who stole the show - we forget just how good an actor he is...
Need to see this again. Need to see [spoiler]a sequel![/spoiler]
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Link Prime on 21 July, 2012, 12:10:20 AM
Post by: Link Prime on 21 July, 2012, 12:10:20 AM
Just back from the flicks- I'm actually not sure how to successfully spoiler tag posts, so won't post any.
A very, very good movie- some events panned out just as they did in my minds eye, while others were pleasantly surprising.
A conclusive end to arguably the finest trilogy since the original Star Wars, and I'm looking forward to a Blu-ray trilogy marathon on some not-too-distant winters eve.
I'll be climbing out of an inescapable prison pit in my feverish dreams this dark night.
A very, very good movie- some events panned out just as they did in my minds eye, while others were pleasantly surprising.
A conclusive end to arguably the finest trilogy since the original Star Wars, and I'm looking forward to a Blu-ray trilogy marathon on some not-too-distant winters eve.
I'll be climbing out of an inescapable prison pit in my feverish dreams this dark night.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 12:26:55 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 12:26:55 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 21 July, 2012, 12:10:20 AM
A conclusive end
[spoiler]Well I wouldn't call it conclusive[/spoiler]
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Link Prime on 21 July, 2012, 12:36:22 AM
Post by: Link Prime on 21 July, 2012, 12:36:22 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 12:26:55 AMQuote from: Link Prime on 21 July, 2012, 12:10:20 AM
A conclusive end
[spoiler]Well I wouldn't call it conclusive[/spoiler]
I'm attempting a spoiler tag here Joe: [spoiler]League of Shadows defeated, Gotham safe, Bruce retired, a new Batman / Nightwing to protect Gotham in the future[/spoiler]- what more do ya want, Liam Neeson to tuck you into bed this evening???
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 12:45:03 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 12:45:03 AM
It's definitely the most exhilirating of all three films and the best story. Action scenes play a lot better, and bigger, and while Nolan doesn't care much for fight choreography, he does seem to have overcome this through well cut and interesting shots that often border on abstraction. Works quite well in this.
Not a weak performance anywhere; Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Bane were stand-outs for me but everyone is playing at their best and Bruce Wayne is a far better character overall.
I could pick out bits that don't work but to be honest, I don't particularly want to, and just can't fault their ambition.
The final few minutes are brave, bold and brilliant but should they have played so much on our emotions in the last beats?
Not a weak performance anywhere; Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Bane were stand-outs for me but everyone is playing at their best and Bruce Wayne is a far better character overall.
I could pick out bits that don't work but to be honest, I don't particularly want to, and just can't fault their ambition.
The final few minutes are brave, bold and brilliant but should they have played so much on our emotions in the last beats?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 12:52:31 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 12:52:31 AM
I'm not expecting anything but [spoiler]He's Not Dead...[/spoiler]
It was never really a trilogy in a connective sense though. The first two were never dependent on each other as films but the third one is dependent on the other two to work. Nolan could have left it at the Dark Knight and not made a third film. A conclusion was not needed because that story was never left particularly open until they added more story in the third film.
It was never really a trilogy in a connective sense though. The first two were never dependent on each other as films but the third one is dependent on the other two to work. Nolan could have left it at the Dark Knight and not made a third film. A conclusion was not needed because that story was never left particularly open until they added more story in the third film.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 01:00:37 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 01:00:37 AM
As an addition to my comment on the action scenes, it seems the very shallow and hard to control depth of focus -especially in dark sets- with the larger 65mm format seems to have added to the visual murkiness of the fist fights.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Link Prime on 21 July, 2012, 01:01:20 AM
Post by: Link Prime on 21 July, 2012, 01:01:20 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 12:52:31 AM
I'm not expecting anything but [spoiler]He's Not Dead...[/spoiler]
It was never really a trilogy in a connective sense though. The first two were never dependent on each other as films but the third one is dependent on the other two to work. Nolan could have left it at the Dark Knight and not made a third film. A conclusion was not needed because that story was never left particularly open until they added more story in the third film.
I agree, woulda been a bit more powerful if [spoiler]they had the balls to actually kill him[/spoiler], but this has to be as close to a [spoiler]"happy ending"[/spoiler] as the Batman mythos could ever have, or ever has had to my knowledge (I mean in the funny books, which will likely continue indefinitely of course).
And you're right- it wasn't a typical trilogy arc, but in my head right now it just works. That's good enough for me!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 01:06:13 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 01:06:13 AM
Thing is, I like [spoiler]both endings[/spoiler] but were they right to be so manipulative by having their cake and eating it? It is played so well I can't decide
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 21 July, 2012, 01:09:15 AM
Post by: judgeblake on 21 July, 2012, 01:09:15 AM
I'm gonna stay away from this thread until I've seen the movie tomorrow night lol too many tempting muffled spoilers
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Link Prime on 21 July, 2012, 01:09:40 AM
Post by: Link Prime on 21 July, 2012, 01:09:40 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2012, 01:06:13 AM
Thing is, I like [spoiler]both endings[/spoiler] but were they right to be so manipulative by having their cake and eating it? It is played so well I can't decide
For one night, just forget you're Joe Soap and go to bed satisfied that all is right in the world! :)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Frank on 21 July, 2012, 08:38:36 AM
Post by: Frank on 21 July, 2012, 08:38:36 AM
Did Goaty start two different Dark Knight Rises threads so that everyone could post their excited fanboy gushing praise of the film- immediately after seeing it- on one thread; and their curmudgeonly griping- once the film has bedded in to their consciousness- on the other thread?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 21 July, 2012, 11:30:59 AM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 21 July, 2012, 11:30:59 AM
Just merged them - didn't notice there were two until now!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: DeFuzzed on 21 July, 2012, 04:53:42 PM
Post by: DeFuzzed on 21 July, 2012, 04:53:42 PM
Fantastic film. Bane's voice? You will not care because the whole of it is so enthralling. And if you do care, sucks to be you. Tom Hardy, wonderful use of body language and he's so good at action; he punches, you can practically feel it - can't wait for Mad Max. JGL brings a whole deeper dimension so naturally, owns the screen without any effort - great stuff. Anne Hathaway, amazingly well-realised character, and dangerous - she might not have the overwhelming sexuality of Pfeiffer's but I prefer it like that, makes her more realistically threatening.
As for the old cast - still got chemistry and charm together, and humour. Really good to see them at it again.
Awesome ending. Left the movie completely pumped to see it again immediately. Encore! And surely they can't leave us hanging like that?? I want more.
As for the old cast - still got chemistry and charm together, and humour. Really good to see them at it again.
Awesome ending. Left the movie completely pumped to see it again immediately. Encore! And surely they can't leave us hanging like that?? I want more.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mark Taylor on 21 July, 2012, 05:31:42 PM
Post by: Mark Taylor on 21 July, 2012, 05:31:42 PM
Quote from: bikini kill on 21 July, 2012, 08:38:36 AM
Did Goaty start two different Dark Knight Rises threads so that everyone could post their excited fanboy gushing praise of the film- immediately after seeing it- on one thread; and their curmudgeonly griping- once the film has bedded in to their consciousness- on the other thread?
I haven't seen any curmudgeonly griping, am I missing something or are you anticipating that it will come later on?
Well here's mine. I just saw it. Let me say that I loved the first two, have them both on DVD and went into this one expecting it to be great. However I seem to be in a minority of one in not coming out of the experience thinking it was great. It's just full of holes so massive you could drive entire fleets of bat-vehicles through them. I don't feel inclined to elaborate on that right now because I'm not out to spoil anybody else's enjoyment. I actually feel kind of bad about not liking it because my wife hasn't seen it yet (she's in Australia right now hence she didn't go see it with me), she's really pumped for it and I don't want to colour her perceptions going in by saying I didn't like it.
I'm almost tempted to go and see it again to check whether it's me missing a bunch of stuff or actually the movie because reading every other reaction it feels like I saw a different film from everybody else. :-\
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 21 July, 2012, 10:23:09 PM
Post by: dweezil2 on 21 July, 2012, 10:23:09 PM
I'm actually with you on this Mark.
Loved the previous two Nolan Batman's but this one ledt me cold.
I particularly felt that Bane was quite a poor adversary and the film was far too long and often lacking in the drama stakes.
Loved the previous two Nolan Batman's but this one ledt me cold.
I particularly felt that Bane was quite a poor adversary and the film was far too long and often lacking in the drama stakes.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Mark Taylor on 21 July, 2012, 10:55:54 PM
Post by: Mark Taylor on 21 July, 2012, 10:55:54 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 21 July, 2012, 10:23:09 PM
I'm actually with you on this Mark.
Loved the previous two Nolan Batman's but this one ledt me cold.
I particularly felt that Bane was quite a poor adversary and the film was far too long and often lacking in the drama stakes.
Good to know I'm not completely alone!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 22 July, 2012, 12:41:37 AM
Post by: judgeblake on 22 July, 2012, 12:41:37 AM
Just saw the movie in the evening a few hours ago.
Have to say a movie can never live up to it's hype no matter how good it is nowadays. But I thought DKR was a good film...about an 8andahalf/10 mainly due to the fact I had The Dark Knight to compare it with which I think is the best in the trilogy. I thought there wasn't a poor performance in the whole thing - I loved Hardy's Bane [spoiler]though I was dissapointed at the character's arc, I would have preferred him to have remained the mythical big bad nemesis they were making him out to be rather than just a brute protector with abit of conditioned intelligence - similarly I would have preferred the final fight with Batman and Bane to have been the climax of the film, it reminded me of Darth Vader and Luke - maybe Bane could have honoured Batman in some way as a warrior to another warrior at the end. So to that end, I could have done without Talia Al Ghul altogether and would have personally kept Bane as the son of Rhas al Ghul.[/spoiler]. Gary Oldman was excellent and Christian Bale also put in a consistantly decent stint as Wayne/Batman.
What I didn't see coming was [spoiler]the fact that Nolan inserted various elements leaving the trilogy open for a sequel - as well as the inclusion of a Robin variant as well. Though when John Blakes name was said to be Robin in the film there was an audible groan from the audience in my screening lol -
A) as Nolan also lied about never including a Robin in his Batman movies - may he also have lied about DKR being his last Batman film.....OR
B) was Nolan pressured to leave the film openended for a sequel by DC so that a new fresher Batman embodied by John 'Robin' Blake may star in a JLA movie further down the road?
I was also astounded that Nolan would cap everything off with such a happy ending - or was Alfred's encounter with Wayne and Kyle some kind of Inception style wishful dream?
[/spoiler]
A good film all in all....and a damn sight better than Prometheus and Spiderman!!!
Have to say a movie can never live up to it's hype no matter how good it is nowadays. But I thought DKR was a good film...about an 8andahalf/10 mainly due to the fact I had The Dark Knight to compare it with which I think is the best in the trilogy. I thought there wasn't a poor performance in the whole thing - I loved Hardy's Bane [spoiler]though I was dissapointed at the character's arc, I would have preferred him to have remained the mythical big bad nemesis they were making him out to be rather than just a brute protector with abit of conditioned intelligence - similarly I would have preferred the final fight with Batman and Bane to have been the climax of the film, it reminded me of Darth Vader and Luke - maybe Bane could have honoured Batman in some way as a warrior to another warrior at the end. So to that end, I could have done without Talia Al Ghul altogether and would have personally kept Bane as the son of Rhas al Ghul.[/spoiler]. Gary Oldman was excellent and Christian Bale also put in a consistantly decent stint as Wayne/Batman.
What I didn't see coming was [spoiler]the fact that Nolan inserted various elements leaving the trilogy open for a sequel - as well as the inclusion of a Robin variant as well. Though when John Blakes name was said to be Robin in the film there was an audible groan from the audience in my screening lol -
A) as Nolan also lied about never including a Robin in his Batman movies - may he also have lied about DKR being his last Batman film.....OR
B) was Nolan pressured to leave the film openended for a sequel by DC so that a new fresher Batman embodied by John 'Robin' Blake may star in a JLA movie further down the road?
I was also astounded that Nolan would cap everything off with such a happy ending - or was Alfred's encounter with Wayne and Kyle some kind of Inception style wishful dream?
[/spoiler]
A good film all in all....and a damn sight better than Prometheus and Spiderman!!!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: GordyM on 22 July, 2012, 11:49:38 AM
Post by: GordyM on 22 July, 2012, 11:49:38 AM
My thoughts: a very uneven storyline with a flat ending. Bane was too OTT and pantomime-ish ("Let the games begin!") and the way he was dispatched was terrible - plus his voice sounded really silly. Catwoman was a pointless addition beyond adding some boobs to the poster. Batwing was a dumb addition and added to the feeling that they'd gone too 'big' with this, a film of excess.
Compared to the twisted beauty of Dark Knight this felt daft and padded. A real shame as I really wanted to like this.
Compared to the twisted beauty of Dark Knight this felt daft and padded. A real shame as I really wanted to like this.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: DeFuzzed on 22 July, 2012, 11:58:15 AM
Post by: DeFuzzed on 22 July, 2012, 11:58:15 AM
They groaned? Really? I really liked how they did the character and so it was just perfect for me.
Expecting directors and actors to be honest about what goes on in their films is expecting a wee bit too much, I think, especially if said directors and actors are quite fanatical about keeping most of the film a surprise.
Expecting directors and actors to be honest about what goes on in their films is expecting a wee bit too much, I think, especially if said directors and actors are quite fanatical about keeping most of the film a surprise.
Title: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: judgefloyd on 22 July, 2012, 12:57:13 PM
Post by: judgefloyd on 22 July, 2012, 12:57:13 PM
I saw it last night and really liked it. Am I the only person who thought Bane sounded a lot like an evil, muffled Sean Connery for most of the movie? Most of the plot was good and it ripped along at a good pace. The cop characters were quite credible. Catwoman was a good performance by Anne 'here's my bum on a motorbike' Hathaway. I enjoyed the Tale of Two Cities stuff. Batman's trials and tribulations were awesome - even if he goes from practically cripppled to awesomely buff in about three hours.
Quibbles: People in movies shouldn't fall in love for no good reason, even fun silly action movies
I could have done with a lot less importance - I mean, every other character wanted to deliver the sort of quotable stuff that looks profound in trailers. You know the sort of thing; Michael Caine saying 'if you don't bend, you break', Bane saying 'money isn't the reason. Destruction doesn't need a reason'* etc. A bit of that sort of thing is good, but by the end of the film I was wishing for the next person to open their mouth to say something practical like 'the door is that way' or 'I'm scared shitless, me'.
Anyway, I thought it was terrific and will go back to see it with miniFloyd when he gets back from his school camp
*all Bat-quotes here are made up to illustrate my gripe and are in no way spoilerific
Quibbles: People in movies shouldn't fall in love for no good reason, even fun silly action movies
I could have done with a lot less importance - I mean, every other character wanted to deliver the sort of quotable stuff that looks profound in trailers. You know the sort of thing; Michael Caine saying 'if you don't bend, you break', Bane saying 'money isn't the reason. Destruction doesn't need a reason'* etc. A bit of that sort of thing is good, but by the end of the film I was wishing for the next person to open their mouth to say something practical like 'the door is that way' or 'I'm scared shitless, me'.
Anyway, I thought it was terrific and will go back to see it with miniFloyd when he gets back from his school camp
*all Bat-quotes here are made up to illustrate my gripe and are in no way spoilerific
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: GordyM on 22 July, 2012, 02:57:25 PM
Post by: GordyM on 22 July, 2012, 02:57:25 PM
Quote from: judgefloyd on 22 July, 2012, 12:57:13 PM
Am I the only person who thought Bane sounded a lot like an evil, muffled Sean Connery for most of the movie?
My exact same thought, especially in the opening. Such a bizarrely misjudged accent that undermined his imposing on-screen presense.
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: judgeblake on 22 July, 2012, 08:28:48 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 22 July, 2012, 08:28:48 PM
Quote from: judgefloyd on 22 July, 2012, 12:57:13 PM
I saw it last night and really liked it. Am I the only person who thought Bane sounded a lot like an evil, muffled Sean Connery for most of the movie? Most of the plot was good and it ripped along at a good pace. The cop characters were quite credible. Catwoman was a good performance by Anne 'here's my bum on a motorbike' Hathaway. I enjoyed the Tale of Two Cities stuff. Batman's trials and tribulations were awesome - even if he goes from practically cripppled to awesomely buff in about three hours.
Quibbles: People in movies shouldn't fall in love for no good reason, even fun silly action movies
I could have done with a lot less importance - I mean, every other character wanted to deliver the sort of quotable stuff that looks profound in trailers. You know the sort of thing; Michael Caine saying 'if you don't bend, you break', Bane saying 'money isn't the reason. Destruction doesn't need a reason'* etc. A bit of that sort of thing is good, but by the end of the film I was wishing for the next person to open their mouth to say something practical like 'the door is that way' or 'I'm scared shitless, me'.
Anyway, I thought it was terrific and will go back to see it with miniFloyd when he gets back from his school camp
*all Bat-quotes here are made up to illustrate my gripe and are in no way spoilerific
[spoiler]I know what you mean with the likening to sean connery..,I didn't get that really - but Bane's voice did definately sound alot like an old actor's who I can't place.....in the same way Fassbender's character does a Peter O'Toole impression throughout Prometheus. Bane also sounded like a Bond villian lol I expected him to say ' I expect you to die mister BOnd!!' lol[/spoiler]
[spoiler]alot of the relationships were definately rushed or less defined due to the fact Nolan loves to cram alot into one batman movie. Namely Catwoman's possible lesbian companion, or teh fact she suddenly kissed Batman - then talia al ghul's sudden latching onto wayne lol [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Dark Knight Rises
Post by: judgeblake on 22 July, 2012, 08:31:22 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 22 July, 2012, 08:31:22 PM
Quote from: GordyM on 22 July, 2012, 02:57:25 PMQuote from: judgefloyd on 22 July, 2012, 12:57:13 PM
Am I the only person who thought Bane sounded a lot like an evil, muffled Sean Connery for most of the movie?
My exact same thought, especially in the opening. Such a bizarrely misjudged accent that undermined his imposing on-screen presense.
really, I liked the eccentricity of the voice Hardy put on - however I thought it was undermined rather by the fact it was clearly overdubbed to hell and so sounded otherworldly, and the fact that it ultimately wasn't in keeping with what the character was or was ultimately explained to be.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: darnmarr on 22 July, 2012, 08:59:18 PM
Post by: darnmarr on 22 July, 2012, 08:59:18 PM
The dubbed voice,- well it wasn't realistic-sounding but I figured, " 'spagetti-western's do that, I can roll with it". Overall it was fine, the runt of the Nolan-Batman litter but entertaining for the most part: not sure if it was overlong or a bit plot-bloated (they certainly crammed plenty in ) but I have to agree with Judge Blake
Still, 10 times better than other film with the flute and the boiled-eggs.
Quote from: judgefloyd on 22 July, 2012, 12:57:13 PMone of the let-downs (for a film that goes out of its way to avoid calling 'catwoman' catwoman) was the amount of people talking (and behaving) as if they knew they were in an epic movie, and also with Bane [spoiler]...they set him up as a 'force to be reckoned with' and then explained him away to nothing,- and it wasn't even a satisfactory explanation.[/spoiler]
[... I could have done with a lot less importance - I mean, every other character wanted to deliver the sort of quotable stuff that looks profound in trailers... ...by the end of the film I was wishing for the next person to open their mouth to say something practical like 'the door is that way' or 'I'm scared shitless, me'.
Still, 10 times better than other film with the flute and the boiled-eggs.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Albion on 22 July, 2012, 09:32:09 PM
Post by: Albion on 22 July, 2012, 09:32:09 PM
When Bane was speaking I kept thinking of Brian Blessed. I think it was the way some of the lines were delivered.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: pauljholden on 22 July, 2012, 09:38:56 PM
Post by: pauljholden on 22 July, 2012, 09:38:56 PM
re: Bane's voice (the following spoiler is because I don't want your viewing of the movie to be effected by what I'm about to say:)
[spoiler]All I could hear was Johan Kraus from Hellboy 2. I burst out laughing when I first heard Bane.[/spoiler]
-pj
[spoiler]All I could hear was Johan Kraus from Hellboy 2. I burst out laughing when I first heard Bane.[/spoiler]
-pj
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Judo on 22 July, 2012, 09:45:15 PM
Post by: Judo on 22 July, 2012, 09:45:15 PM
I thought Batman was OK like 3/5. Some good bits but generally long with some odd choices. Imagine the following are all really annoying memes and thats an 1/8 of how annoyed I was...
[spoiler]
1. Batman y u have cane for so long?
2. Bane y u no venom?
3. Y u always in bed Gary?
4. Police y u no negotiate with terrorists then immediately negotiate with terroritsts?
5. Batman y u defeated by well?
6. Batman y u defeated by 8 year old girl?
7. Police and baddies y u brawl when u have AKs and hand guns?
8. Kids y u in bus on bridge?
9. Bane y u physical match for Batman?
10. Bane y u a posh black man?
[/spoiler]
I could keep going -__- Gritty and dark is all good but at the end of the day I just wanted to see batman swinging about and bane trashing shit. Most of my friends liked it but x
[spoiler]
1. Batman y u have cane for so long?
2. Bane y u no venom?
3. Y u always in bed Gary?
4. Police y u no negotiate with terrorists then immediately negotiate with terroritsts?
5. Batman y u defeated by well?
6. Batman y u defeated by 8 year old girl?
7. Police and baddies y u brawl when u have AKs and hand guns?
8. Kids y u in bus on bridge?
9. Bane y u physical match for Batman?
10. Bane y u a posh black man?
[/spoiler]
I could keep going -__- Gritty and dark is all good but at the end of the day I just wanted to see batman swinging about and bane trashing shit. Most of my friends liked it but x
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: DeFuzzed on 22 July, 2012, 11:04:20 PM
Post by: DeFuzzed on 22 July, 2012, 11:04:20 PM
Catwoman's just boobs? Pretty much like how Bane was just dick then.
Saw it again, and liked it even more the second time round. Favourite movie of the year so far, beating Avengers by miles and I am a Whedon fan too (sorry, Joss). I even liked Bane's voice, made it stand out from all the growly tough guys especially since he's this wall of muscle. He's educated and he's not turned into nothing - just because his origin isn't explained doesn't mean he's nothing, it means it's a mystery and I like that. Especially if we get a continuation somehow where we can get more of the story.
Just like I liked Black Widow for her competency, same with Catwoman. And I thought her and Batman had chemistry so that relationship worked for me too, didn't feel like a rush job at all.
John Blake, definitely my favourite if I had to choose. His ordinary joe schtick with an inner cold flame was done so well. No posturing, no grand voice, all very natural and real.
Loved the bike in the previous movie, love it still. Can't wait for the dvd so I can slow it down and see all the cool moves better. It looks possible to make too :) = which is part of another thing I like about Nolan's Batman world, the possible reality of it. I like brightly costumed heroes and comic book worlds just fine, but I don't ever believe they can happen in real life. Nolan's Batman though, he's succeeded in making it seem just a small sidestep from our reality, and that's one hell of an achievement.
Saw it again, and liked it even more the second time round. Favourite movie of the year so far, beating Avengers by miles and I am a Whedon fan too (sorry, Joss). I even liked Bane's voice, made it stand out from all the growly tough guys especially since he's this wall of muscle. He's educated and he's not turned into nothing - just because his origin isn't explained doesn't mean he's nothing, it means it's a mystery and I like that. Especially if we get a continuation somehow where we can get more of the story.
Just like I liked Black Widow for her competency, same with Catwoman. And I thought her and Batman had chemistry so that relationship worked for me too, didn't feel like a rush job at all.
John Blake, definitely my favourite if I had to choose. His ordinary joe schtick with an inner cold flame was done so well. No posturing, no grand voice, all very natural and real.
Loved the bike in the previous movie, love it still. Can't wait for the dvd so I can slow it down and see all the cool moves better. It looks possible to make too :) = which is part of another thing I like about Nolan's Batman world, the possible reality of it. I like brightly costumed heroes and comic book worlds just fine, but I don't ever believe they can happen in real life. Nolan's Batman though, he's succeeded in making it seem just a small sidestep from our reality, and that's one hell of an achievement.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 22 July, 2012, 11:19:25 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 22 July, 2012, 11:19:25 PM
Quote from: darnmarr on 22 July, 2012, 08:59:18 PM
The dubbed voice,- well it wasn't realistic-sounding but I figured, " 'spagetti-western's do that, I can roll with it". Overall it was fine, the runt of the Nolan-Batman litter but entertaining for the most part: not sure if it was overlong or a bit plot-bloated (they certainly crammed plenty in ) but I have to agree with Judge BlakeQuote from: judgefloyd on 22 July, 2012, 12:57:13 PMone of the let-downs (for a film that goes out of its way to avoid calling 'catwoman' catwoman) was the amount of people talking (and behaving) as if they knew they were in an epic movie, and also with Bane [spoiler]...they set him up as a 'force to be reckoned with' and then explained him away to nothing,- and it wasn't even a satisfactory explanation.[/spoiler]
[... I could have done with a lot less importance - I mean, every other character wanted to deliver the sort of quotable stuff that looks profound in trailers... ...by the end of the film I was wishing for the next person to open their mouth to say something practical like 'the door is that way' or 'I'm scared shitless, me'.
Still, 10 times better than other film with the flute and the boiled-eggs.
[spoiler]I definately think the plot was bloated...and the length the movie went on was due to fact the film needed to tie up Nolan's trilogy in a nice happy bow. Like I've said, I would have done away with the whole Talia Al Ghul thing and just had Bane as the intelligent nemesis and pseudo son of Rhas al Ghul they had set him up to be. The guy broke Batman's back, then showed a warrior's chivalry by not killing him but bannishing him into the underground prison. He also displayed an intelligent eccentricity in the way he talked and his mannerisms. To then undermine this completely by saying he was just a thug who got savaged protecting Talia al Ghul and that he was just a brute sidekick in love with her afterall was a complete anticlimax imo.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Albion on 22 July, 2012, 09:32:09 PM
When Bane was speaking I kept thinking of Brian Blessed. I think it was the way some of the lines were delivered.
Quote from: pauljholden on 22 July, 2012, 09:38:56 PM
re: Bane's voice (the following spoiler is because I don't want your viewing of the movie to be effected by what I'm about to say:)
[spoiler]All I could hear was Johan Kraus from Hellboy 2. I burst out laughing when I first heard Bane.[/spoiler]
-pj
I love Brian Blessed! and that sort of came across to me...[spoiler]but I definately got the Hellboy2 thing!!![/spoiler] but theres another actor from old films I can't quite think of who Bane's voice reminded me of.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: darnmarr on 22 July, 2012, 11:32:25 PM
Post by: darnmarr on 22 July, 2012, 11:32:25 PM
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 22 July, 2012, 11:04:20 PMSorry DeFuzzed, I didn't mean to denigrate Bane, ( in his educational achievements or his mystery ), all I meant by my comment was that[spoiler] with the plot-twist towards Talia, the film began to focus away from him: which,(in common with JudgeBlake, it seems) I found both anti-climactic and a bit of a pity. [/spoiler]
...He[*Bane]'s educated and he's not turned into nothing - just because his origin isn't explained doesn't mean he's nothing, it means it's a mystery and I like that...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 01:02:15 AM
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 01:02:15 AM
Hmmm. Went in fully expecting it to not be as good as the other two and even so was left a bit disappointed.
Rather muddled, overlong, predictable, far-fetched (even for a superhero film) and bloated - so many superfluous characters. So fast-paced that the characters and relationships lack any depth and the plot becomes quite confusing because a lot of things are underexplained or rushed past.
Bane was a bit of a weak villain compared to the Joker - I never really got a handle on his motivation beyond 'revenge'. It all seemed like a great deal of fanning around - if he wanted to destroy Gotham, why not just do it?
There's a real lack of memorable standout scenes or set pieces in the film, and a lot of what there is feels like a retread of the previous movies. The banking crisis/Occupy commentary felt forced and unfocused.
And I'm sorry, but doesn't Batman essentially break his one rule at the end - twice - and no one bats an eyelid. Isn't that somewhat of a betrayal of everything the first two films went to extraordinary lengths to establish?
The weakest of the three by a considerable margin, and sadly not a film I can see myself wanting to revisit on DVD.
Rather muddled, overlong, predictable, far-fetched (even for a superhero film) and bloated - so many superfluous characters. So fast-paced that the characters and relationships lack any depth and the plot becomes quite confusing because a lot of things are underexplained or rushed past.
Bane was a bit of a weak villain compared to the Joker - I never really got a handle on his motivation beyond 'revenge'. It all seemed like a great deal of fanning around - if he wanted to destroy Gotham, why not just do it?
There's a real lack of memorable standout scenes or set pieces in the film, and a lot of what there is feels like a retread of the previous movies. The banking crisis/Occupy commentary felt forced and unfocused.
And I'm sorry, but doesn't Batman essentially break his one rule at the end - twice - and no one bats an eyelid. Isn't that somewhat of a betrayal of everything the first two films went to extraordinary lengths to establish?
The weakest of the three by a considerable margin, and sadly not a film I can see myself wanting to revisit on DVD.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Judo on 23 July, 2012, 01:07:32 AM
Post by: Judo on 23 July, 2012, 01:07:32 AM
[spoiler]Cant believe they made Bane a peado[/spoiler] x
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: HdE on 23 July, 2012, 03:21:33 AM
Post by: HdE on 23 July, 2012, 03:21:33 AM
Quote from: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 01:02:15 AM
Rather muddled, overlong, predictable, far-fetched (even for a superhero film) and bloated - so many superfluous characters. So fast-paced that the characters and relationships lack any depth and the plot becomes quite confusing because a lot of things are underexplained or rushed past.
This, sorry to say, feels like the movie I'm going to see when I eventually work my way around to it on DVD.
I was talking to a friend the other day about Nolan's previous Batman films, and I think I hit upon what frustrates me about them. They seem to play out as if they were handled by a COMPLETELY different director!
I genuinely like the first movie, because it has the kind of focus that I expect from a decent flick. It's weaker (in my opinion) in comparison to Nolan's other movies like The Prestige, Memento and Inception. But what I can't get over is how those movies all excel in the very areas that The Dark Knight stumbled in.
I've already said here how I hate the second movie. Given that Rises sounds a lot like it replicates and magnifies the self-same problems I had with that, I don't think I'll be watching it at the cinema.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Fisticuffs on 23 July, 2012, 08:01:18 AM
Post by: Fisticuffs on 23 July, 2012, 08:01:18 AM
Quote from: DeFuzzed on 22 July, 2012, 11:04:20 PM
Loved the bike in the previous movie, love it still. Can't wait for the dvd so I can slow it down and see all the cool moves better. It looks possible to make too :)
You know the bike actually works don't you? It's not special effects (apart from the fancy sideways rolling).
I enjoyed the film but agree that it could have done with a few minor plot changes and a bit of tightening up time wise.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 08:48:21 AM
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 08:48:21 AM
Quote from: HdE on 23 July, 2012, 03:21:33 AMQuote from: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 01:02:15 AM
Rather muddled, overlong, predictable, far-fetched (even for a superhero film) and bloated - so many superfluous characters. So fast-paced that the characters and relationships lack any depth and the plot becomes quite confusing because a lot of things are underexplained or rushed past.
This, sorry to say, feels like the movie I'm going to see when I eventually work my way around to it on DVD.
I was talking to a friend the other day about Nolan's previous Batman films, and I think I hit upon what frustrates me about them. They seem to play out as if they were handled by a COMPLETELY different director!
I genuinely like the first movie, because it has the kind of focus that I expect from a decent flick. It's weaker (in my opinion) in comparison to Nolan's other movies like The Prestige, Memento and Inception. But what I can't get over is how those movies all excel in the very areas that The Dark Knight stumbled in.
I've already said here how I hate the second movie. Given that Rises sounds a lot like it replicates and magnifies the self-same problems I had with that, I don't think I'll be watching it at the cinema.
The Dark Knight was overlong and a little bloated, but it's such a fantastic film I am more than willing to forgive it.
But if you didn't like The Dark Knight, you won't enjoy Rises. It has all of TDK's problems tenfold, but it's far less focused and doesn't have Heath Ledger's incredible performance to give it that shot in the arm he gives TDK every time he appears on screen. The plot is way more convoluted too.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 08:50:58 AM
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 08:50:58 AM
I just couldn't shake the feeling that Nolan's heart just wasn't in this one.
After the first two films, he has nothing left to prove. The Dark Knight was, for me and many others, a one of a kind, lightning in a bottle, zeitgeisty sort of film. Rises just feels a bit like its going through the motions.
After the first two films, he has nothing left to prove. The Dark Knight was, for me and many others, a one of a kind, lightning in a bottle, zeitgeisty sort of film. Rises just feels a bit like its going through the motions.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Pete Wells on 23 July, 2012, 11:11:53 AM
Post by: Pete Wells on 23 July, 2012, 11:11:53 AM
I went to see this and really enjoyed it for what it was. However, I've never really got on with Nolan's vision, it's waaaay to far away from my version of Batman. People keep going on about his 'realistic' take on the character but bat pods, tanks and almost spaceship-like helicopters don't sound realistic to me. It's more like Star Wars mixed with James Bond to me, it's fun, but not Batman.
My Batman hangs about in back lanes kicking the shite out of people. He doesn't wear a rubber suit as that would totally impede his athleticism. My batman takes on muggers, thieves and pimps. I'd love to see a really grounded version of Batman, but I'd probably be sitting in an empty cinema...
My Batman hangs about in back lanes kicking the shite out of people. He doesn't wear a rubber suit as that would totally impede his athleticism. My batman takes on muggers, thieves and pimps. I'd love to see a really grounded version of Batman, but I'd probably be sitting in an empty cinema...
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 11:31:10 AM
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 11:31:10 AM
One other thing that slightly irked me was Gary Oldman - so understated in the previous two films - he veered into his usual overacting in this one at points.
I also thought there seemed to be a lot more cgi in this one - a lot of key effects sequences lacked the tangible, practical nature that made Begins and Dark Knight so refreshing and impressive. The bit in the stadium especially looked very fake and unconvincing.
'Realistic' is the wrong word, but the Nolan Bat-films stand out for having no supernatural elements, and tend to have a consistent logic to them which gives the impression of realism. Perhaps 'mature' is a better word? Taking an essentially silly premise and making a relatively mature, grown-up series of films out of it while still delivering the popcorn thrills one expects from the genre?
Having said that, I'd say that if you want a film that is still recognisably Batman with all that implies (Batmobile, masked villains, Bat-signal etc etc) Nolan's films are about as realistic as you could reasonably get without ending up with something like Super.
Admittedly, Rises is way more 'comic book' and goes way more into flights of fancy than the other two films so it isn't the best example.
Thing is - going back to the mature, pragmatic take of the Nolan films - it is established very early on that Wayne sees no point in going after street-level crime. He sees muggers as a sympton of the real villains in society - the corrupt and the career criminals who create the circumstances that enable petty crime to thrive.
I also thought there seemed to be a lot more cgi in this one - a lot of key effects sequences lacked the tangible, practical nature that made Begins and Dark Knight so refreshing and impressive. The bit in the stadium especially looked very fake and unconvincing.
QuotePeople keep going on about his 'realistic' take on the character but bat pods, tanks and almost spaceship-like helicopters don't sound realistic to me.
'Realistic' is the wrong word, but the Nolan Bat-films stand out for having no supernatural elements, and tend to have a consistent logic to them which gives the impression of realism. Perhaps 'mature' is a better word? Taking an essentially silly premise and making a relatively mature, grown-up series of films out of it while still delivering the popcorn thrills one expects from the genre?
Having said that, I'd say that if you want a film that is still recognisably Batman with all that implies (Batmobile, masked villains, Bat-signal etc etc) Nolan's films are about as realistic as you could reasonably get without ending up with something like Super.
Admittedly, Rises is way more 'comic book' and goes way more into flights of fancy than the other two films so it isn't the best example.
QuoteMy Batman hangs about in back lanes kicking the shite out of people. He doesn't wear a rubber suit as that would totally impede his athleticism. My batman takes on muggers, thieves and pimps. I'd love to see a really grounded version of Batman, but I'd probably be sitting in an empty cinema...
Thing is - going back to the mature, pragmatic take of the Nolan films - it is established very early on that Wayne sees no point in going after street-level crime. He sees muggers as a sympton of the real villains in society - the corrupt and the career criminals who create the circumstances that enable petty crime to thrive.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Pete Wells on 23 July, 2012, 11:39:19 AM
Post by: Pete Wells on 23 July, 2012, 11:39:19 AM
Quote from: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 11:31:10 AMQuoteMy Batman hangs about in back lanes kicking the shite out of people. He doesn't wear a rubber suit as that would totally impede his athleticism. My batman takes on muggers, thieves and pimps. I'd love to see a really grounded version of Batman, but I'd probably be sitting in an empty cinema...
Thing is - going back to the mature, pragmatic take of the Nolan films - it is established very early on that Wayne sees no point in going after street-level crime. He sees muggers as a sympton of the real villains in society - the corrupt and the career criminals who create the circumstances that enable petty crime to thrive.
Damn you and you common sense and logic Radiator!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JamesC on 23 July, 2012, 12:17:10 PM
Post by: JamesC on 23 July, 2012, 12:17:10 PM
I enjoyed it but I agree with Pete - this version has never really been Batman to me. It just leaves out too much without really replacing it with anything - I don't know why Catwoman couldn't have just been called Catwoman. Apart from anything the Selina Kyle in the comics a has a far more interesting relationship with Bruce than we saw in the film - she probably should have made a brief appearance in the previous films to give her a more satisfying arc over the trilogy.
In all I think Nolan has achieved a lot with his vision but I'm happy to leave this trilogy behind and see what someone else can bring to the screen - realistically we're going to get another Bat film within the next 10 years I should think.
I'd like to see a more thoughtful, paternal Batman. Bring Robin in to the film to give Batman someone to play against (and make him young - not some 25 year old brick shit house like Chris O'Donnel). Robin always lightens Batman and it's good for the audience to see another vengeful orphan who isn't grim all the time. I'd like to see the detective element explored more - more grass roots stuff - sneaking round crime scenes with a torch. As far as the action scenes go I'd like to see Batman and Robin taking out goons with stealth and well practiced tactics - less emphasis on standing still and getting punched in a rubber suit.
In all I think Nolan has achieved a lot with his vision but I'm happy to leave this trilogy behind and see what someone else can bring to the screen - realistically we're going to get another Bat film within the next 10 years I should think.
I'd like to see a more thoughtful, paternal Batman. Bring Robin in to the film to give Batman someone to play against (and make him young - not some 25 year old brick shit house like Chris O'Donnel). Robin always lightens Batman and it's good for the audience to see another vengeful orphan who isn't grim all the time. I'd like to see the detective element explored more - more grass roots stuff - sneaking round crime scenes with a torch. As far as the action scenes go I'd like to see Batman and Robin taking out goons with stealth and well practiced tactics - less emphasis on standing still and getting punched in a rubber suit.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Judo on 23 July, 2012, 12:20:44 PM
Post by: Judo on 23 July, 2012, 12:20:44 PM
This scene was the best in the film I think [spoiler]even though it made no sense as they all have guns[/spoiler] but it really just made me hyped for Dredd. This vids a total spoiler btw but looks amazing in the actual film with all the stark filming and snow x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kXrjS7O1A0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kXrjS7O1A0&feature=related
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Fisticuffs on 23 July, 2012, 01:23:16 PM
Post by: Fisticuffs on 23 July, 2012, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 23 July, 2012, 12:17:10 PMAs far as the action scenes go I'd like to see Batman and Robin taking out goons with stealth and well practiced tactics - less emphasis on standing still and getting punched in a rubber suit.
That's one of my niggles with Nolan's Batman, Batmans seemingly only tactic is beat people up with his fists, you rarely see any gadgets used 'in fight' such as gas bombs, nets, tasers etc etc, and stealth is almost non-existent. TDKR almost got there [spoiler]in the 1st Bane/Bats fight when Bats switches the lights off and sneaks about[/spoiler], it's just a shame it wasn't used more throughout all three films.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 01:37:00 PM
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 01:37:00 PM
I was all for DKR embracing the more comic book elements of the Batman comics, but some of it sat really uneasily with the tone they were going for - like [spoiler]Wayne repeatedly referring to his 'friend' Batman (were we supposed to infer that Kyle knew he was Batman all along?) and people delivering dialogue like "What about this Bane guy I keep hearing about - apparently he has a secret army in the sewers".[/spoiler] Just felt really jarring and out of place.
From the early teasers, the imagery led me to believe we would get something structurally much closer to The Dark Knight Returns. I wasn't really pleased with how the story played out in the actual film. Would have been way more satisfying imo to have [spoiler]Bane kill Gordon, incapacitate Batman and takeover the city, and then jump to 8 years later - perhaps have a structure like Batman Begins where we start the film with the post-apocalypse-like Gotham, a broken Wayne rotting in the Pit and have a series of interweaving flashbacks explaining how we got to this point. Having Wayne go through one lengthy recuperation after another seemed like bad writing to me, and simplifying it would have cut down the running time.[/spoiler]
The [spoiler]nuke maguffin seemed unnessesary and clunky - and too much of a retread of the weapon from Batman Begins.[/spoiler]
And yeah - I agree with all the other comments about the obnoxious sound mixing on this film - I had a lot of trouble hearing what many characters were saying - not just Bane. Nolan really needs to cut this shit out - I gave up trying to watch Inception on my home cinema recently as the music was so overbearingly loud in relation to the dialogue and I got sick of having to constantly ride the volume up and down.
From the early teasers, the imagery led me to believe we would get something structurally much closer to The Dark Knight Returns. I wasn't really pleased with how the story played out in the actual film. Would have been way more satisfying imo to have [spoiler]Bane kill Gordon, incapacitate Batman and takeover the city, and then jump to 8 years later - perhaps have a structure like Batman Begins where we start the film with the post-apocalypse-like Gotham, a broken Wayne rotting in the Pit and have a series of interweaving flashbacks explaining how we got to this point. Having Wayne go through one lengthy recuperation after another seemed like bad writing to me, and simplifying it would have cut down the running time.[/spoiler]
The [spoiler]nuke maguffin seemed unnessesary and clunky - and too much of a retread of the weapon from Batman Begins.[/spoiler]
And yeah - I agree with all the other comments about the obnoxious sound mixing on this film - I had a lot of trouble hearing what many characters were saying - not just Bane. Nolan really needs to cut this shit out - I gave up trying to watch Inception on my home cinema recently as the music was so overbearingly loud in relation to the dialogue and I got sick of having to constantly ride the volume up and down.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Dandontdare on 23 July, 2012, 01:40:25 PM
Post by: Dandontdare on 23 July, 2012, 01:40:25 PM
Saw this at the weekend - enjoyable mainly, but somehow underwhelming.
It dragged on somewhat - [spoiler]all the prison stuff could easilly be cut - did anyone think he wouldn't make the climb? Not sure about treating a broken back by hanging from a rope while someone punches you in the spine, but hey ho. [/spoiler]
Character-wise, I loved almost everyone but Batman. I thought Bane came in just the right side of hammy, Anne Hathaway was excellent (and verrrrry hot) as Catwoman, Commisoner Gordon and Lucius Fox were good... but I don't like the rubber mask, I don't like the silly voice and I just didn't connect with Wayne's motivation. I've never liked Michael Caine as Alfred as he'sjust too iconic - I don't see the character, I just see Micahel Caine. - [spoiler]and the whole abandoning him if he returns to being batman - WTF? And Mr C, as much as I love him, should avoid parts that involve crying as it's not his forte, acting-wise.[/spoiler]
Overall, I think Nolan has made these films so grittilly realistic, they're no longer any fun. A mate was saying the other day how they'd love to see other Batman villains and stories done the Nolan way, but I diasagree. It's been a good trilogy, but they should let it rest for awhile and then let somebody do something different with it, maybe reconnect with some of the fun aspects.
It dragged on somewhat - [spoiler]all the prison stuff could easilly be cut - did anyone think he wouldn't make the climb? Not sure about treating a broken back by hanging from a rope while someone punches you in the spine, but hey ho. [/spoiler]
Character-wise, I loved almost everyone but Batman. I thought Bane came in just the right side of hammy, Anne Hathaway was excellent (and verrrrry hot) as Catwoman, Commisoner Gordon and Lucius Fox were good... but I don't like the rubber mask, I don't like the silly voice and I just didn't connect with Wayne's motivation. I've never liked Michael Caine as Alfred as he'sjust too iconic - I don't see the character, I just see Micahel Caine. - [spoiler]and the whole abandoning him if he returns to being batman - WTF? And Mr C, as much as I love him, should avoid parts that involve crying as it's not his forte, acting-wise.[/spoiler]
Overall, I think Nolan has made these films so grittilly realistic, they're no longer any fun. A mate was saying the other day how they'd love to see other Batman villains and stories done the Nolan way, but I diasagree. It's been a good trilogy, but they should let it rest for awhile and then let somebody do something different with it, maybe reconnect with some of the fun aspects.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 02:43:12 PM
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 02:43:12 PM
Perhaps what bugs me most is that, so sure was I that this film would be - if not quite up to previous standard then at least still excellent, I went ahead and bought one of those Olly Moss screenprints last week from Mondo - so pretty soon I'll be the owner of a lovely piece of wall art.... for a film I didn't really rate that highly and won't even be buying on Blu Ray of... Doh!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: HdE on 23 July, 2012, 02:58:02 PM
Post by: HdE on 23 July, 2012, 02:58:02 PM
Quote from: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 08:50:58 AM
I just couldn't shake the feeling that Nolan's heart just wasn't in this one.
I actually get the impression that Maybe Nolan is trying a little TOO HARD with these movies. Part of the reason I so strongly dislike The Dark Knight is that there's a real lack of restraint and focus in that movie. Everything I hear about Rises seems to confirm it's more of the same.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Link Prime on 23 July, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
Post by: Link Prime on 23 July, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
Quote from: Judo on 23 July, 2012, 01:07:32 AM
[spoiler]Cant believe they made Bane a peado[/spoiler] x
Kinda like Queen Amidala & Anakin Skywalker then?
Or perhaps even Grant Morrison & a certain 2000AD fan???
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 23 July, 2012, 04:15:54 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 23 July, 2012, 04:15:54 PM
Quote from: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 08:48:21 AMQuote from: HdE on 23 July, 2012, 03:21:33 AMQuote from: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 01:02:15 AM
Rather muddled, overlong, predictable, far-fetched (even for a superhero film) and bloated - so many superfluous characters. So fast-paced that the characters and relationships lack any depth and the plot becomes quite confusing because a lot of things are underexplained or rushed past.
This, sorry to say, feels like the movie I'm going to see when I eventually work my way around to it on DVD.
I was talking to a friend the other day about Nolan's previous Batman films, and I think I hit upon what frustrates me about them. They seem to play out as if they were handled by a COMPLETELY different director!
I genuinely like the first movie, because it has the kind of focus that I expect from a decent flick. It's weaker (in my opinion) in comparison to Nolan's other movies like The Prestige, Memento and Inception. But what I can't get over is how those movies all excel in the very areas that The Dark Knight stumbled in.
I've already said here how I hate the second movie. Given that Rises sounds a lot like it replicates and magnifies the self-same problems I had with that, I don't think I'll be watching it at the cinema.
The Dark Knight was overlong and a little bloated, but it's such a fantastic film I am more than willing to forgive it.
But if you didn't like The Dark Knight, you won't enjoy Rises. It has all of TDK's problems tenfold, but it's far less focused and doesn't have Heath Ledger's incredible performance to give it that shot in the arm he gives TDK every time he appears on screen. The plot is way more convoluted too.
I'm probably still rather unnecessarily using spoilers incase some people stumble on this thread not having seen the movie - [spoiler]I disagree - I feel like Bane did have the performance from Hardy and his impressive physical build to be the equivalent to the bad guy Ledger's Joker was. But the plot undermined Bane - A 'rematch' with Bane should have been the essential climax to the film - Nolan should have also shown more of Bane at work as an underground terrorist mastermind, rather than have him speak little lines of dialogue and then be reduced to a snivelling brute with his intelligence seemingly falsified at the end of the movie. It was a good movie....but like with some great movies that have been overhyped it frustrated me because the elements were there to make TDKR a truly great movie and equivalent to TDK, but the plot was too padded out with Nolan's need to round off his trilogy. rather than rounding off the trilogy with a neat bow I would have liked each movie to be a different phase and chapter in Wayne/Batman's life - sort of chapters he had to overcome in order to achieve mythical status, overcome his own demons and save gotham's morality - phases quite different to each other rather than a linked full circle trilogy.
In summary, if I rejiggered TDKR;
A) I would cut out the Talia al Ghul subplot.
B) have more Bane and have him revealed as the intelligent terrorist mastermind he started the movie as.
C) have the climax as the final fight with Bane and Batman (rather than Catwoman simply shooting Bane down, Talia al Ghul trying to set off a bomb, and Batman's last act being flying over the sea with a bomb in tow).
[/spoiler]
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 23 July, 2012, 04:21:07 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 23 July, 2012, 04:21:07 PM
Quote from: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 08:50:58 AM
I just couldn't shake the feeling that Nolan's heart just wasn't in this one.
After the first two films, he has nothing left to prove. The Dark Knight was, for me and many others, a one of a kind, lightning in a bottle, zeitgeisty sort of film. Rises just feels a bit like its going through the motions.
I'd say the Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight Rises seem like they were directed by the same guy - but infact its The Dark Knight that feels like a standout film directed by someone else or like 'lightning in a bottle' as you describe it. I thought Batman Begins was a great movie as a whole and an ideal 'in' to the new Batman world and his origins - but The Dark Knight seemed like a true comic book film and graphic novel adaptation and seemed in my head more colourful compared to the other two movies in the trilogy.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 23 July, 2012, 04:27:52 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 23 July, 2012, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 01:37:00 PM
I was all for DKR embracing the more comic book elements of the Batman comics, but some of it sat really uneasily with the tone they were going for - like [spoiler]Wayne repeatedly referring to his 'friend' Batman (were we supposed to infer that Kyle knew he was Batman all along?) and people delivering dialogue like "What about this Bane guy I keep hearing about - apparently he has a secret army in the sewers".[/spoiler] Just felt really jarring and out of place.
From the early teasers, the imagery led me to believe we would get something structurally much closer to The Dark Knight Returns. I wasn't really pleased with how the story played out in the actual film. Would have been way more satisfying imo to have [spoiler]Bane kill Gordon, incapacitate Batman and takeover the city, and then jump to 8 years later - perhaps have a structure like Batman Begins where we start the film with the post-apocalypse-like Gotham, a broken Wayne rotting in the Pit and have a series of interweaving flashbacks explaining how we got to this point. Having Wayne go through one lengthy recuperation after another seemed like bad writing to me, and simplifying it would have cut down the running time.[/spoiler]
The [spoiler]nuke maguffin seemed unnessesary and clunky - and too much of a retread of the weapon from Batman Begins.[/spoiler]
And yeah - I agree with all the other comments about the obnoxious sound mixing on this film - I had a lot of trouble hearing what many characters were saying - not just Bane. Nolan really needs to cut this shit out - I gave up trying to watch Inception on my home cinema recently as the music was so overbearingly loud in relation to the dialogue and I got sick of having to constantly ride the volume up and down.
I'm very much with you in all the points you make here - including preferred plot!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 04:34:57 PM
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 04:34:57 PM
Bane was fine, but had too little to do. In the end he was just muscle, and as someone else said came across as very pantomime at times. I like Hardy but was expecting something a bit crazier and more memorable.
I don't know how anyone could favourably compare him to Ledger's Joker, who turned practically every single line of dialogue he had into an instant meme. There are just so many iconic Joker moments in that film, and it's a character and a performance that somehow combines being piss your pants funny with a genuinely chilling nihilism that really strikes a nerve with the viewer.
Further to my suggested Dark Knight Returns plot, I was convinced going in that we'd see the return [spoiler]of not only Scarecrow but Two-Face and/or Ra's Al Ghul himself. Would have been crazy - and even more of an epic finale - to see all of the previous films villains (bar the Joker for obvious reasons) running amok in Gotham on Batman's return.[/spoiler]
I don't know how anyone could favourably compare him to Ledger's Joker, who turned practically every single line of dialogue he had into an instant meme. There are just so many iconic Joker moments in that film, and it's a character and a performance that somehow combines being piss your pants funny with a genuinely chilling nihilism that really strikes a nerve with the viewer.
Further to my suggested Dark Knight Returns plot, I was convinced going in that we'd see the return [spoiler]of not only Scarecrow but Two-Face and/or Ra's Al Ghul himself. Would have been crazy - and even more of an epic finale - to see all of the previous films villains (bar the Joker for obvious reasons) running amok in Gotham on Batman's return.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: DeFuzzed on 23 July, 2012, 05:56:53 PM
Post by: DeFuzzed on 23 July, 2012, 05:56:53 PM
Quote from: darnmarr on 22 July, 2012, 11:32:25 PMQuote from: DeFuzzed on 22 July, 2012, 11:04:20 PMSorry DeFuzzed, I didn't mean to denigrate Bane, ( in his educational achievements or his mystery ), all I meant by my comment was that[spoiler] with the plot-twist towards Talia, the film began to focus away from him: which,(in common with JudgeBlake, it seems) I found both anti-climactic and a bit of a pity. [/spoiler]
...He[*Bane]'s educated and he's not turned into nothing - just because his origin isn't explained doesn't mean he's nothing, it means it's a mystery and I like that...
No need to apologise, differing opinions in a free country and all :) - and while I do agree she took the focus away, well, since that was what was supposed to happen considering how the story develops, I didn't have a problem with it. There were enough fights to satisfy me.
Since I'm going to see it again later this week, I'm firmly in the happy and satisfied corner. Sorry it didn't please a lot of you though, but then again, I think it evens itself out in the whole scheme of things since I didn't love Avengers half as much as a lot of you.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 06:04:33 PM
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 06:04:33 PM
I liked the ending - you'd have to have a heart of stone not to, and overall it's an enjoyable movie, but I didn't love it like I love the other two. Just something about the execution was lacking.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: darnmarr on 23 July, 2012, 06:50:41 PM
Post by: darnmarr on 23 July, 2012, 06:50:41 PM
Overall I liked it, too. I dont think it was quite as good as the other two, and certainly don't think it's perfect, but I'd watch it again.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 23 July, 2012, 07:17:19 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 23 July, 2012, 07:17:19 PM
The only thing wrong with Bane is his confused motivation. Does he want to destroy Gotham or free it?
Bane as a character is fine, he's not the Joker and it's not imperative that everything he says should resonate. He's muscle plus intellect with a neat backstory and completely merciless which creates a far more sinister presence than the Joker. The only thing that deflates his role is why would he bother seizing the most important city in the world if he's only going to pretend at being a revolutionary when his real intention is to blow it into oblivion. It just sounds like they didn't finish melding their thematic with the character, which could easily have been done.
I don't believe that the hero should always directly meet and beat his nemesis in a duel of flying fists; it's one of the worsts aspects of nearly all superhero films and it definitely made both Iron Man films infinitely blander than they should've been, but the Bat/Bane pummeling is enjoyable, and I didn't mind his swift end but again it feels slightly deflated because Bane's character, reason and motivation became even more obscure at his very end when it should've highlighted the difference between his and Bruce Wayne's separate struggles.
It may sound contrarian but I think TDKR is simply not long enough. It needed more time to tell the story it set forth to tell but compressed far too much incident into too few scene beats leaving a lot undramatised. This is what makes the pacing feel hectic/wearing, yet paradoxically too long. It's scale of story is akin to Return of the King rather than the previous films.
The bomb acting as nuclear deterrent to guard against intervention is a great modern idea* - as any 'rogue' Middle Eastern State will attest - using it as a literal countdown to the denouement probably not as great.
There's clunky exposition, under-written characters and lazy writing -Selina ending up in the men's prison- but it is still very enjoyable with admirable ambition and no weak performances. There's similar thematic problems in all Nolan's Bat-films but he still knows how to compel despite them.
The ending is indulgently all things to all men and there's nothing wrong with that.
*I like the visual reference to Edge of Darkness with the ever mobile lead-lined nuclear containers trundling around the city.
Bane as a character is fine, he's not the Joker and it's not imperative that everything he says should resonate. He's muscle plus intellect with a neat backstory and completely merciless which creates a far more sinister presence than the Joker. The only thing that deflates his role is why would he bother seizing the most important city in the world if he's only going to pretend at being a revolutionary when his real intention is to blow it into oblivion. It just sounds like they didn't finish melding their thematic with the character, which could easily have been done.
I don't believe that the hero should always directly meet and beat his nemesis in a duel of flying fists; it's one of the worsts aspects of nearly all superhero films and it definitely made both Iron Man films infinitely blander than they should've been, but the Bat/Bane pummeling is enjoyable, and I didn't mind his swift end but again it feels slightly deflated because Bane's character, reason and motivation became even more obscure at his very end when it should've highlighted the difference between his and Bruce Wayne's separate struggles.
It may sound contrarian but I think TDKR is simply not long enough. It needed more time to tell the story it set forth to tell but compressed far too much incident into too few scene beats leaving a lot undramatised. This is what makes the pacing feel hectic/wearing, yet paradoxically too long. It's scale of story is akin to Return of the King rather than the previous films.
The bomb acting as nuclear deterrent to guard against intervention is a great modern idea* - as any 'rogue' Middle Eastern State will attest - using it as a literal countdown to the denouement probably not as great.
There's clunky exposition, under-written characters and lazy writing -Selina ending up in the men's prison- but it is still very enjoyable with admirable ambition and no weak performances. There's similar thematic problems in all Nolan's Bat-films but he still knows how to compel despite them.
The ending is indulgently all things to all men and there's nothing wrong with that.
*I like the visual reference to Edge of Darkness with the ever mobile lead-lined nuclear containers trundling around the city.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 07:32:04 PM
Post by: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 07:32:04 PM
I think the Joker comparisons are justified, however, because there are some pretty heavy similarities between their methods - [spoiler]they both essentially annex a large part of the city and create chaos and disorder, but not for the reasons that it first appears.[/spoiler]
Yeah - I thought it was an attempt to comment on how revolutionaries always have hidden agendas or end up becoming worse than what they seek to overthrow or something, or maybe even some comment on Communism. But yeah, it seemed very muddled in execution like so much else in the film.
As for [spoiler]his rather abrupt death - it happened so quickly and so much else is happening at that point that I kinda forgot about it and kept expecting Bane to reappear. I only remembered later what had happened.[/spoiler]
QuoteThe only thing that deflates his role is why would he bother seizing the most important city in the world if he's only going to pretend at being a revolutionary when his real intention is to blow it into oblivion. It just sounds like they didn't finish melding their thematic with the character, which could easily have been done.
Yeah - I thought it was an attempt to comment on how revolutionaries always have hidden agendas or end up becoming worse than what they seek to overthrow or something, or maybe even some comment on Communism. But yeah, it seemed very muddled in execution like so much else in the film.
As for [spoiler]his rather abrupt death - it happened so quickly and so much else is happening at that point that I kinda forgot about it and kept expecting Bane to reappear. I only remembered later what had happened.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 23 July, 2012, 08:06:02 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 23 July, 2012, 08:06:02 PM
Quote from: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 07:32:04 PM
I think the Joker comparisons are justified, however, because there are some pretty heavy similarities between their methods - [spoiler]they both essentially annex a large part of the city and create chaos and disorder, but not for the reasons that it first appears.[/spoiler]
They both have different effects and motivation(s). I don't feel the Joker wants to kill or finish off Batman, likely the opposite.
Quote from: radiator on 23 July, 2012, 07:32:04 PM
As for [spoiler]his rather abrupt death - it happened so quickly and so much else is happening at that point that I kinda forgot about it and kept expecting Bane to reappear. I only remembered later what had happened.[/spoiler]
It only reinforces the notion that Batman is a right-wing vigilante. If Bane had been a compassionate or fair leader for a while -or more V for Vendetta- it might have gotten interesting. Instead the film comes off as being a right-wing version of V for V.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 23 July, 2012, 10:23:33 PM
Post by: hoops on 23 July, 2012, 10:23:33 PM
Saw it today and i'm totally bummed out...i thought it was fucking dreadful :(
Ah well, there's always Dredd to look forward to!
Ah well, there's always Dredd to look forward to!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgefloyd on 24 July, 2012, 03:54:18 AM
Post by: judgefloyd on 24 July, 2012, 03:54:18 AM
My favourite ever Batman comment is Charlie Brooker saying that calling Batman 'The Dark Knight' is like calling Papa Smurf 'the blue patriarch'. You're not fooling anyone. That's not to say that Batman is as silly as the Smurfs, just that there's a lot of portenousness piled onto a character who is wearing rubber bat ears.
There are a lot of good points here about Bane's various ups and downs. I agree kind of, with the guy here (in The Age) who thought the story kind of reactionary - message, you either have the level of inequality that passes for civilised in the USA or you have Tale of Two Cities-style nastiness, which must be worse, right? However, I like a flick to have a few ideas, and as I said it's a rip-roaring story.
Myself, I liked this way better than the first of these three - that took forever for Batman to do what I'd come to the movie to see - an eternity of faffing around with Liam Neeson's cod philosophising, mountain climbing and fussing over the design of the Batsuit
There are a lot of good points here about Bane's various ups and downs. I agree kind of, with the guy here (in The Age) who thought the story kind of reactionary - message, you either have the level of inequality that passes for civilised in the USA or you have Tale of Two Cities-style nastiness, which must be worse, right? However, I like a flick to have a few ideas, and as I said it's a rip-roaring story.
Myself, I liked this way better than the first of these three - that took forever for Batman to do what I'd come to the movie to see - an eternity of faffing around with Liam Neeson's cod philosophising, mountain climbing and fussing over the design of the Batsuit
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Judo on 24 July, 2012, 07:18:20 AM
Post by: Judo on 24 July, 2012, 07:18:20 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 23 July, 2012, 03:00:30 PMQuote from: Judo on 23 July, 2012, 01:07:32 AM
[spoiler]Cant believe they made Bane a peado[/spoiler] x
Kinda like Queen Amidala & Anakin Skywalker then?
Or perhaps even Grant Morrison & a certain 2000AD fan???
[Spoiler]It was a bit too Leon in lurve with some ten year old orphan. but not Leon cos Leon's amazing [/spoiler]. You may need to clarify this morrison reference as I don't know much about his personal life except his wifes really hot x
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 24 July, 2012, 10:37:46 AM
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 24 July, 2012, 10:37:46 AM
Batman Begins- Possibly my favourate origins story alongside Iron Man, Captain America (TFA), and the recnt The Amazing Spider-Man. Although slow in the first half the second half is one of my favourate moments of the trilogy. Cillien Murphy is also an AWSOME Scarecrow.
The Dark Knight- I never got the hype for this movie. It's good, very good. But it's most certainly not the groundbreaking master work taht everyone is saying it is. I'd put it on par with it's predisesor.
The Dark Knight Rises: More of the Same. Also i'd rate this on par with the other two entry's in the series.
I understood Bane's plan, to free Gotham from the aristocracy forming a communist/ anarchic society where all are equel.
And people aree viewing Bane as a peado? Not really, who said Bane loved [spoiler]Tallia[/spoiler] romanticaly or even sexualy? There are other form's of love you know.
The Dark Knight- I never got the hype for this movie. It's good, very good. But it's most certainly not the groundbreaking master work taht everyone is saying it is. I'd put it on par with it's predisesor.
The Dark Knight Rises: More of the Same. Also i'd rate this on par with the other two entry's in the series.
I understood Bane's plan, to free Gotham from the aristocracy forming a communist/ anarchic society where all are equel.
And people aree viewing Bane as a peado? Not really, who said Bane loved [spoiler]Tallia[/spoiler] romanticaly or even sexualy? There are other form's of love you know.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 24 July, 2012, 11:01:41 AM
Post by: hoops on 24 July, 2012, 11:01:41 AM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 24 July, 2012, 10:37:46 AM
The Dark Knight Rises: More of the Same. Also i'd rate this on par with the other two entry's in the series.
I understood Bane's plan, to free Gotham from the aristocracy forming a communist/ anarchic society where all are equel.
That wasn't Bane's 'plan' at all...his 'plan' was to wipe out Gotham and fulfil Ra's Al Ghul's/The League Of Shadows' Plan from Batman Begins...hence there being 25 days till the reactor's meltdown...? All the socialist/anarchic stuff was just pointless bullshit...
same as 95% of the film.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 24 July, 2012, 11:09:53 AM
Post by: radiator on 24 July, 2012, 11:09:53 AM
QuoteI understood Bane's plan, to free Gotham from the aristocracy forming a communist/ anarchic society where all are equel.
That's what he claims, but in reality he just wants to destroy Gotham. His motives remain unclear. If he was excommunicated from the League of Shadows, then why is he sworn to do Ra's Al Ghul's bidding? Why are we even dealing with the League again? I always took the point of The Dark Knight was escalation - the Joker made Ra's Al Ghul and the Scarecrow look like a piece of cake by comparison. Seems like a bit of a step backwards if you ask me.
Why all the complicated plot? There are just too many bizarre, convenient or contrived plot elements to take, even in the context of a superhero movie. [spoiler]A nuclear bomb with a months-long countdown? A secret army operating out of the sewers? A magic computer program that erases a person's history? Wayne having his broken back fixed by being punched? A magic leg brace that instantly fixes Wayne's legs? The raid on Wall Street that bankrupts Wayne (which is obviously fraud and could be rectified)?[/spoiler]
Any one of these things in isolation would be fine - Batman Begins and The Dark Knight have some pretty dopey things going on, but Rises is just wall to wall nonsense and the film eventually buckles under the weight of it all. I'm baffled that it's been received so well and more people aren't questioning it.
It's an enjoyable movie, but is has some major problems.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 11:10:56 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 11:10:56 AM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 24 July, 2012, 10:37:46 AM
I understood Bane's plan, to free Gotham from the aristocracy forming a communist/ anarchic society where all are equel.
or is it to turn Gotham into ashes? I think Bane got confused along the way.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 11:19:57 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 11:19:57 AM
Quote from: radiator on 24 July, 2012, 11:09:53 AM
[spoiler]Wayne having his broken back fixed by being punched?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Was his back actually 'broken' though?[/spoiler] I took it as vertebral dislocation considering what Tom Conti said.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 24 July, 2012, 11:24:58 AM
Post by: hoops on 24 July, 2012, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: radiator on 24 July, 2012, 11:09:53 AM
.... but Rises is just wall to wall nonsense and the film eventually buckles under the weight of it all. I'm baffled that it's been received so well and more people aren't questioning it.
It is and i am too, no Prometheus-style nashing of teeth or making of look at what's wrong with it-type lists at all?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 11:42:28 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 11:42:28 AM
Quote from: hoops on 24 July, 2012, 11:24:58 AM
no Prometheus-style nashing of teeth or making of look at what's wrong with it-type lists at all?
Probably because it isn't that bad. TDKR is an entertaining, well-acted and ambitious cluster-fuck but Prometheus in many aspects is almost amateur.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 24 July, 2012, 11:46:51 AM
Post by: hoops on 24 July, 2012, 11:46:51 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 11:42:28 AMQuote from: hoops on 24 July, 2012, 11:24:58 AM
no Prometheus-style nashing of teeth or making of look at what's wrong with it-type lists at all?
Probably because it isn't that bad. TDKR is an entertaining, well-acted and ambitious cluster-fuck but Prometheus in many aspects is almost amateur.
So, it's a cluster-fuck but compared to Prometheus it's excellent, right?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Link Prime on 24 July, 2012, 11:48:51 AM
Post by: Link Prime on 24 July, 2012, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: Judo on 24 July, 2012, 07:18:20 AMQuote from: Link Prime on 23 July, 2012, 03:00:30 PMQuote from: Judo on 23 July, 2012, 01:07:32 AM
[spoiler]Cant believe they made Bane a peado[/spoiler] x
Kinda like Queen Amidala & Anakin Skywalker then?
Or perhaps even Grant Morrison & a certain 2000AD fan???
[Spoiler]It was a bit too Leon in lurve with some ten year old orphan. but not Leon cos Leon's amazing [/spoiler]. You may need to clarify this morrison reference as I don't know much about his personal life except his wifes really hot x
I forget what thread it was in, but I thought Joe's 'Candy & the Catchman' quip regarding a pic of you and GM was quite funny. :)
And of course no, I didnt really think Bane was that way inclined in the movie, although I suppose he could have had a different / romantic relationship with [spoiler]Talia[/spoiler] during their time training with the League when they were adults. He banged her in 'Bane of the Demon' alright (a pretty good comic in fact).
I'm sensing a lotta negativity on this thread regarding DNR in general, dont know why as I thought it was a fine piece of cinema (about as good a movie you'd get about a grown man in a rubber Bat-suit in fact), but I guess it is the nature of the online
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 24 July, 2012, 11:53:39 AM
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 24 July, 2012, 11:53:39 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 24 July, 2012, 11:48:51 AM
I'm sensing a lotta negativity on this thread regarding DNR in general, dont know why as I thought it was a fine piece of cinema (about as good a movie you'd get about a grown man in a rubber Bat-suit in fact), but I guess it is the nature of the onlinebeastgeek to pick at the minutiae of such films.
Look, the internet's fairly simple:
Step 1: Mock popular culture
Step 2: ???
Step 3: PROFIT
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: TordelBack on 24 July, 2012, 12:51:45 PM
Post by: TordelBack on 24 July, 2012, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 23 July, 2012, 03:00:30 PM
Or perhaps even Grant Morrison & a certain 2000AD fan???
Mark Millar?
;)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 12:59:25 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 12:59:25 PM
Quote from: hoops on 24 July, 2012, 11:46:51 AM
So, it's a cluster-fuck but compared to Prometheus it's excellent, right?
Yep. Prometheus is bland, cliched and boring but as I said TDKR is an entertaining, well-acted and ambitious cluster-fuck, and compelling throughout, which is an achievment for nearly a 3 hour film.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: chaingunchimp on 24 July, 2012, 02:07:41 PM
Post by: chaingunchimp on 24 July, 2012, 02:07:41 PM
Meh i thought it was ok just
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Judo on 24 July, 2012, 02:21:30 PM
Post by: Judo on 24 July, 2012, 02:21:30 PM
Oh right Kk... Its some kind of reference to grant morrison wanting to fuck me? why does that not surprise me lol you board boys, what ye like?
film was ok but lots of it made no sense or was just a bad choice for a film.
eg...
[spoiler]
Police: WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS.
later on in film...
terrorists: IF ANYONE LEAVES THE ISLAND WE DETONATE THE BOMB.
Police: OMG SEAL EVERYONE ON THE ISLAND WITH THE BOMB COS TERRORISTS SAID SO!!![/spoiler]
Like thats just bad writing. Especially considering that noone gave a fuck [spoiler]if the city was evacuated, being evacuated, not evacuated.[/spoiler] in fact the whole [spoiler]evacuation[/spoiler] stuff was a pointless half hour I want back. As long as it makes sense amongst itself I dont mind, but contradicting your own script every 2 mins was just not helping make things any clearer x
film was ok but lots of it made no sense or was just a bad choice for a film.
eg...
[spoiler]
Police: WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS.
later on in film...
terrorists: IF ANYONE LEAVES THE ISLAND WE DETONATE THE BOMB.
Police: OMG SEAL EVERYONE ON THE ISLAND WITH THE BOMB COS TERRORISTS SAID SO!!![/spoiler]
Like thats just bad writing. Especially considering that noone gave a fuck [spoiler]if the city was evacuated, being evacuated, not evacuated.[/spoiler] in fact the whole [spoiler]evacuation[/spoiler] stuff was a pointless half hour I want back. As long as it makes sense amongst itself I dont mind, but contradicting your own script every 2 mins was just not helping make things any clearer x
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 24 July, 2012, 02:27:13 PM
Post by: hoops on 24 July, 2012, 02:27:13 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 12:59:25 PMQuote from: hoops on 24 July, 2012, 11:46:51 AM
So, it's a cluster-fuck but compared to Prometheus it's excellent, right?
Yep. Prometheus is bland, cliched and boring but as I said TDKR is an entertaining, well-acted and ambitious cluster-fuck, and compelling throughout, which is an achievment for nearly a 3 hour film.
Yeah, that's what i thought you said ;)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 24 July, 2012, 04:15:09 PM
Post by: radiator on 24 July, 2012, 04:15:09 PM
Overall I enjoyed DKR more than Prometheus, though they are similarly flawed in terms of generally being a bit incoherent, overreaching and pompous.
I was actually emotionally engaged with DKR though, and unlike Prometheus I didn't find it laughable (except for the bit where Batman dementedly screams "WHERE IS THE TRIGGER?!?!? WHERE IS IT??!!?!" while punching Bane. That was pretty funny.
I was actually emotionally engaged with DKR though, and unlike Prometheus I didn't find it laughable (except for the bit where Batman dementedly screams "WHERE IS THE TRIGGER?!?!? WHERE IS IT??!!?!" while punching Bane. That was pretty funny.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 24 July, 2012, 06:03:35 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 24 July, 2012, 06:03:35 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 July, 2012, 07:17:19 PM
The only thing wrong with Bane is his confused motivation. Does he want to destroy Gotham or free it?
Bane as a character is fine, he's not the Joker and it's not imperative that everything he says should resonate. He's muscle plus intellect with a neat backstory and completely merciless which creates a far more sinister presence than the Joker. The only thing that deflates his role is why would he bother seizing the most important city in the world if he's only going to pretend at being a revolutionary when his real intention is to blow it into oblivion. It just sounds like they didn't finish melding their thematic with the character, which could easily have been done.
I don't believe that the hero should always directly meet and beat his nemesis in a duel of flying fists; it's one of the worsts aspects of nearly all superhero films and it definitely made both Iron Man films infinitely blander than they should've been, but the Bat/Bane pummeling is enjoyable, and I didn't mind his swift end but again it feels slightly deflated because Bane's character, reason and motivation became even more obscure at his very end when it should've highlighted the difference between his and Bruce Wayne's separate struggles.
It may sound contrarian but I think TDKR is simply not long enough. It needed more time to tell the story it set forth to tell but compressed far too much incident into too few scene beats leaving a lot undramatised. This is what makes the pacing feel hectic/wearing, yet paradoxically too long. It's scale of story is akin to Return of the King rather than the previous films.
The bomb acting as nuclear deterrent to guard against intervention is a great modern idea* - as any 'rogue' Middle Eastern State will attest - using it as a literal countdown to the denouement probably not as great.
There's clunky exposition, under-written characters and lazy writing -Selina ending up in the men's prison- but it is still very enjoyable with admirable ambition and no weak performances. There's similar thematic problems in all Nolan's Bat-films but he still knows how to compel despite them.
The ending is indulgently all things to all men and there's nothing wrong with that.
*I like the visual reference to Edge of Darkness with the ever mobile lead-lined nuclear containers trundling around the city.
I think it's inevitable and right for Bane to be compared with the Joker - and in that respect I think they should have been compared with Ras al Ghul from the first film - but [spoiler]Ras al Ghul stretches his presence throughout the trilogy, something I believe didn't need to exist throughout the trilogy, or indeed exist as a factor in 'capping off' the trilogy and ultimately undermining Bane as a villian.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I think Bane kept threatening to offer lines that resonated like the Joker's did in the 2nd film - but he/the script never came up with the goods. I would have preferred Bane to be the main focus of the 3rd film (sorry to harp on about that lol) and talia al ghul's motives incorporated into Bane's.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]You say Bane was intelligence and brawn with a neat backstory - but I believe his backstory is ultimately completely undermined near the end of the movie;
Bane is built up to be a nigh-on-mythical terrorist leader and ex league of shadows member (like Batman) with eccentricity, athleticism and intelligence, who wants to create the illusion that Gotham will be freed but simultaneously destroying it - however, talia al ghul's expose of who Bane really is completely clashes with his character in the movie previously, and this spoils it in my opinion, appropriately and ironically wiping him out in a single snivelling shot soon thereafter.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]To say I 'loved' Batman and Bane's first head to head punchup is not appropriate, but dramatically I found it to be exactly as good as I thought it would be in my head and having read the comics - Bane showing he is also an initiate of the League of Shadows and so Batman's tricks have little effect on him, eventually breaking his back....so the second fight between the two should have definately been the climax of the film![/spoiler]
[spoiler]- to me you have a first film draft similar to the dark knight that was scripted with Bane being the anarchic revolutionary leader outmatching Batman on paper in intelligence and physicality and knowledge, who wants not only to introduce anarchy to Gotham, but also destroy it completely - But then it seems like alot of Bane has been written out in the final draft of the script in order to make way for talia al Ghul's creeping subplot and ultimately she steels Bane's thunder as a villain at the end of the film.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Summary = Nolan has made a singular mistake to me in TDKR -
in each film he has focused on 3 characters primarily in a sort of The Good the Bad and the Ugly way; in Batman Begins there was Batman, Rha's Al Ghul and the Scarecrow - in TDK there was Batman, The Joker and Two Face. However in TDKR you have Batman, Bane, Catwoman AND Talia Al Ghul - Nolan should have kept to his rule of 3![/spoiler]
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 24 July, 2012, 08:14:05 PM
Post by: dweezil2 on 24 July, 2012, 08:14:05 PM
Quote from: Judo on 24 July, 2012, 02:21:30 PM
Oh right Kk... Its some kind of reference to grant morrison wanting to fuck me? why does that not surprise me lol you board boys, what ye like?
film was ok but lots of it made no sense or was just a bad choice for a film.
eg...
[spoiler]
Police: WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS.
later on in film...
terrorists: IF ANYONE LEAVES THE ISLAND WE DETONATE THE BOMB.
Police: OMG SEAL EVERYONE ON THE ISLAND WITH THE BOMB COS TERRORISTS SAID SO!!![/spoiler]
Like thats just bad writing. Especially considering that noone gave a fuck [spoiler]if the city was evacuated, being evacuated, not evacuated.[/spoiler] in fact the whole [spoiler]evacuation[/spoiler] stuff was a pointless half hour I want back. As long as it makes sense amongst itself I dont mind, but contradicting your own script every 2 mins was just not helping make things any clearer x
And don't get me started on that
[spoiler] Rha Al Ghul dream sequence [/spoiler]
A plot device that would of shamed Bouncer era Neighbours!
Far too much fat and cheese for my liking and I love dairy.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 08:54:53 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 08:54:53 PM
Quote from: judgeblake on 24 July, 2012, 06:03:35 PM
You say Bane was intelligence and brawn with a neat backstory - but I believe his backstory is ultimately completely undermined near the end of the movie;
Bane is built up to be a nigh-on-mythical terrorist leader and [spoiler]ex league of shadows member (like Batman)[/spoiler] with eccentricity, athleticism and intelligence, who wants to create the illusion that Gotham will be freed but simultaneously destroying it - however, [spoiler]talia al ghul's expose of who Bane really is[/spoiler] completely clashes with his character in the movie previously, and this spoils it in my opinion, appropriately and ironically wiping him out in a single snivelling shot soon thereafter.
I like that Bane was not all he had presented and built himself up to be, it was meant to be a game of sorts. [spoiler]Talia's reveal[/spoiler] made Bane somewhat more human and complicated when the relationship was disclosed but it didn't go far enough beyond that. I just wish Bane's motivations and actions -intended to foment revolt in the general populace- had amounted to more than just invisible Gothamites staying home and watching TV. I think this is the point they missed but probably intended to communicate:
Zealots, [spoiler]Bane & Talia[/spoiler], were playing a political and psychological game of Martyrs and Revolution to torment the priviliged right-wing vigilante Wayne and ultimately to use the destruction of Gotham as an example to the world of revenge and sacrifice for the 'greater' cause and ideology of [spoiler]the League of Shadows[/spoiler]. But the film didn't spend time on it or have long enough to develop this.
Quote from: judgeblake on 24 July, 2012, 06:03:35 PM
Summary = Nolan has made a singular mistake to me in TDKR -
in each film he has focused on 3 characters primarily in a sort of The Good the Bad and the Ugly way; in Batman Begins there was Batman, Rha's Al Ghul and the Scarecrow - in TDK there was Batman, The Joker and Two Face. However in TDKR you have Batman, Bane, Catwoman AND [spoiler]Talia Al Ghul - Nolan should have kept to his rule of 3![/spoiler]
You can have as many characters as you want once you can make it work, which is not impossible despite what critics say. Any Lord of the Rings film had no problem juggling and introducing new characters in each film.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 24 July, 2012, 10:05:38 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 24 July, 2012, 10:05:38 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 08:54:53 PM
You can have as many characters as you want once you can make it work, which is not impossible despite what critics say. Any Lord of the Rings film had no problem juggling and introducing new characters in each film.
surely LOTR and the dark knight trilogy movies are different beasts altogether. Fine I see what your saying - that you can have any number of characters - an ensemble cast - as long as you juggle them and write for them well, Joss Whedon for instance is an expert at this. But what I'm saying is Nolan has really focused (whether he meant to or not - I'm just assuming he meant to) on 3 main characters in each film and their 'journey' or agendas - 1) batman, ra's al ghul, scarecrow 2) batman, joker, dent....these character studies also showed the character's different agendas, principles and morality/amorality..................[spoiler]perhaps the reason why alot of fans don't like TDKR as much as the previous two films (though many find it hard to point out exactly why, often simply falling back on blaming Hardy's Bane) is because Nolan expanded on this 3 main character study structure and blended the journey of Talia and her father with that of Bane's onslaught etc[/spoiler]
maybe what I'm trying to say is; [spoiler]Nolan tried overly hard to wedge a nice ending and rounding off of the trilogy onto a film that could have played out the same way dark knight did, therefore instead of 'the rule of three', Nolan expanded in to a more ensemble cast. I'd even say Cmmsioner Gordon became a superhero in his own right in this movie, then of course you have the rise of John 'Robin' Blake - instead of treating the film as another chapter with 'the rule of three', TDKR became a disguised attempt at an ensemble 'super - hero movie'.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 10:19:34 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 10:19:34 PM
Quote from: judgeblake on 24 July, 2012, 10:05:38 PM
surely LOTR and the dark knight trilogy movies are different beasts altogether.
The only true difference is genre. Jonathan Nolan has said pretty much that he was thinking of Return of the King with TDKR.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dweezil2 on 24 July, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
Post by: dweezil2 on 24 July, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 10:19:34 PMQuote from: judgeblake on 24 July, 2012, 10:05:38 PM
surely LOTR and the dark knight trilogy movies are different beasts altogether.
The only true difference is genre. Jonathan Nolan has said pretty much that he was thinking of Return of the King with TDKR.
Shame it ended up as Nolan's Return Of The Jedi.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 11:11:37 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 July, 2012, 11:11:37 PM
Would you rather it be Revenge of the Sith?
Quote from: dweezil2
Shame it ended up as Nolan's Return Of The Jedi.
/quote]
Better hope he doesn't make his Phantom Menace.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Judo on 25 July, 2012, 12:19:32 AM
Post by: Judo on 25 July, 2012, 12:19:32 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 24 July, 2012, 08:14:05 PMI think something like Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum would have been a better fit for nolan as I like his style x
Far too much fat and cheese for my liking and I love dairy.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 25 July, 2012, 07:49:03 AM
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 25 July, 2012, 07:49:03 AM
Can anyone explain to what the point of the Dr. Crane cameo was?
The guy was in there for litteraly two minuets, we don't even find out what happened to him.
Now I love Cillien Murphy as Scarecrow but his appearence just felt shoehorned and phoned in.
The guy was in there for litteraly two minuets, we don't even find out what happened to him.
Now I love Cillien Murphy as Scarecrow but his appearence just felt shoehorned and phoned in.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 25 July, 2012, 08:07:09 AM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 25 July, 2012, 08:07:09 AM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 25 July, 2012, 07:49:03 AM
Can anyone explain to what the point of the Dr. Crane cameo was?
The guy was in there for litteraly two minuets, we don't even find out what happened to him.
Now I love Cillien Murphy as Scarecrow but his appearence just felt shoehorned and phoned in.
Wha-? It was a cameo - that's why he was there for a couple of minutes. Otherwise it wouldn't be a cameo. And he was obviously [spoiler]one of the escapees from Blackgate.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 25 July, 2012, 08:21:32 AM
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 25 July, 2012, 08:21:32 AM
Yeah I get that (and you can have a miunet long cameo) but it felt kinda phoney, like it didn't need to be there.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 25 July, 2012, 10:13:48 AM
Post by: radiator on 25 July, 2012, 10:13:48 AM
I thought it was one I the best bits in the film.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 25 July, 2012, 12:17:31 PM
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 25 July, 2012, 12:17:31 PM
Quote from: radiator on 25 July, 2012, 10:13:48 AMIt's what I like to call and Apendix plot.
I thought it was one I the best bits in the film.
It's tucked away, content, and your perfectly fine having it there. But at the end of the day it accomplishes nothing. Saying that, I do like Scarecrow (My fave Batman villain) so any excuse I guess.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Steve Green on 25 July, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
Post by: Steve Green on 25 July, 2012, 04:36:33 PM
Saw it today - surprised to see the Odeon running screenings as early as 7:45am though.
Enjoyed it more than Batman Begins, not as much as TDK.
Bane's voice felt like it belonged in an animated series - somewhere between Brian Blessed and Professor Farnsworth.
Hathaway was great as Catwoman, and sequences with old and new toys were great, but it did feel like the suit weighed down any hand-to-hand more than before, or it was more noticeable.
One none-spoilery thing I noticed was the absence of muzzle flashes pretty much entirely in daylight sequences, I guess it's amped up for films usually but it's one of those things that did feel like something was missing...
Got tingles with the Dredd trailer though, even though I've seen it plenty of times by now.
Enjoyed it more than Batman Begins, not as much as TDK.
Bane's voice felt like it belonged in an animated series - somewhere between Brian Blessed and Professor Farnsworth.
Hathaway was great as Catwoman, and sequences with old and new toys were great, but it did feel like the suit weighed down any hand-to-hand more than before, or it was more noticeable.
One none-spoilery thing I noticed was the absence of muzzle flashes pretty much entirely in daylight sequences, I guess it's amped up for films usually but it's one of those things that did feel like something was missing...
Got tingles with the Dredd trailer though, even though I've seen it plenty of times by now.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 25 July, 2012, 06:53:46 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 25 July, 2012, 06:53:46 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 25 July, 2012, 08:07:09 AMQuote from: Hawkmonger on 25 July, 2012, 07:49:03 AM
Can anyone explain to what the point of the Dr. Crane cameo was?
The guy was in there for litteraly two minuets, we don't even find out what happened to him.
Now I love Cillien Murphy as Scarecrow but his appearence just felt shoehorned and phoned in.
Wha-? It was a cameo - that's why he was there for a couple of minutes. Otherwise it wouldn't be a cameo. And he was obviously [spoiler]one of the escapees from Blackgate.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I agree - it was nothing more than a cameo - he had clearly escaped from arkham asylum and got himself appointed 'judge' of the people of Gotham brought before him whom he condemned to death basically (death by exile, or death) I agree it was unneeded, but I also feel talia al ghul's presence in the plot, as well as Liam Neeson's cameo are unneeded - but they are all part of Nolan's need to round off his trilogy.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 25 July, 2012, 10:31:33 PM
Post by: hoops on 25 July, 2012, 10:31:33 PM
Quote from: judgeblake on 25 July, 2012, 06:53:46 PMQuote from: Richmond Clements on 25 July, 2012, 08:07:09 AMQuote from: Hawkmonger on 25 July, 2012, 07:49:03 AM
Can anyone explain to what the point of the Dr. Crane cameo was?
The guy was in there for litteraly two minuets, we don't even find out what happened to him.
Now I love Cillien Murphy as Scarecrow but his appearence just felt shoehorned and phoned in.
Wha-? It was a cameo - that's why he was there for a couple of minutes. Otherwise it wouldn't be a cameo. And he was obviously [spoiler]one of the escapees from Blackgate.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I agree - it was nothing more than a cameo - he had clearly escaped from arkham asylum and got himself appointed 'judge' of the people of Gotham brought before him whom he condemned to death basically (death by exile, or death) I agree it was unneeded, but I also feel talia al ghul's presence in the plot, as well as Liam Neeson's cameo are unneeded - but they are all part of Nolan's need to round off his trilogy.[/spoiler]
I think Nolan sacrificed having a decent plot just so he could tie everything up nicely.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 25 July, 2012, 10:46:19 PM
Post by: MR. ELIMINATOR on 25 July, 2012, 10:46:19 PM
I was pretty unimpressed with this one to be honest. Sure, it was OK, but can't really think of any part that I really liked.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 26 July, 2012, 01:06:26 AM
Post by: Tiplodocus on 26 July, 2012, 01:06:26 AM
Clan Tips really liked it.
I fell for one of the two twisty bits but figured out the other quite early on, loved the ending to bits and wasn't at all puzzled by Bane's motivation (zealot is as good a description as any, dangling hope before destroying).
And most of the questions people have asked above, I thought the film actually answered (well, to me anyway).
It was twenty minutes too long though. But hey, aren't they all these days?
I fell for one of the two twisty bits but figured out the other quite early on, loved the ending to bits and wasn't at all puzzled by Bane's motivation (zealot is as good a description as any, dangling hope before destroying).
And most of the questions people have asked above, I thought the film actually answered (well, to me anyway).
It was twenty minutes too long though. But hey, aren't they all these days?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 08:45:15 AM
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 08:45:15 AM
Bruce Wayne: You still haven't given up on me?
Alfred Pennyworth: Never!
...well, until part three that is, when you really need me...[spoiler]and then i'll leave, and when you 'die'... i'll cry because i've let your father down.[/spoiler]
Because that's the faithful Alfred Pennyworth we all know and love.
::)
Alfred Pennyworth: Never!
...well, until part three that is, when you really need me...[spoiler]and then i'll leave, and when you 'die'... i'll cry because i've let your father down.[/spoiler]
Because that's the faithful Alfred Pennyworth we all know and love.
::)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 08:59:12 AM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 08:59:12 AM
Quote from: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 08:45:15 AMAlfred did what he had to do to get Bruce back in the game. He knew he was sacrificing his relationship by doing so, but his love for Bruce was such that he was prepared to take the fallout.
Bruce Wayne: You still haven't given up on me?
Alfred Pennyworth: Never!
...well, until part three that is, when you really need me...[spoiler]and then i'll leave, and when you 'die'... i'll cry because i've let your father down.[/spoiler]
Because that's the faithful Alfred Pennyworth we all know and love.
::)
That, to me, is as faithful and loyal a friend as you could have.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 26 July, 2012, 09:05:10 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 26 July, 2012, 09:05:10 AM
Quote from: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 08:45:15 AM
Because that's the faithful Alfred Pennyworth we all know and love.
He's not an automaton. I don't see anything wrong with characters developing or doing things 'out of character' in certain situations, lfe tends to be like that too. They even do it in comics y'know.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 09:57:00 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 08:59:12 AMInteresting...so he deserted Bruce to allow Bruce to get back into the game...not because he felt Bruce had reached certain limitations and wasn't prpared to watch him fail, as he suspected Bruce wished to do?Quote from: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 08:45:15 AMAlfred did what he had to do to get Bruce back in the game. He knew he was sacrificing his relationship by doing so, but his love for Bruce was such that he was prepared to take the fallout.
Bruce Wayne: You still haven't given up on me?
Alfred Pennyworth: Never!
...well, until part three that is, when you really need me...[spoiler]and then i'll leave, and when you 'die'... i'll cry because i've let your father down.[/spoiler]
Because that's the faithful Alfred Pennyworth we all know and love.
::)
That, to me, is as faithful and loyal a friend as you could have.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 July, 2012, 09:05:10 AMQuote from: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 08:45:15 AM
Because that's the faithful Alfred Pennyworth we all know and love.
He's not an automaton. I don't see anything wrong with characters developing or doing things 'out of character' in certain situations, lfe tends to be like that too. They even do it in comics y'know.
Not an automaton...certainly, that's why i said 'faithful' instead of 'faithful & phlegmatic', which would reflect what Alfred is like in the comics. So, anyway, that's development then?
I see....that does kind of make sense...and i can see the same kind of character development is found in Lucius deciding to allow the Wayne money to disappear over eight years without even taking the time to visit Bruce or Alfred in person...what can i say, irrelevant of comics that does indeed make sense within the framework of the trilogy.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:11:52 AM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:11:52 AM
Quotethe same kind of character development is found in Lucius deciding to allow the Wayne money to disappear over eight years without even taking the time to visit Bruce or Alfred in person
Does it say he never visited? I can't recall...
Also, he's only one of a board of directors. The board was[spoiler] being manipulated by [/spoiler] old fella-my-lad (can't remember his name) who was [spoiler]in cahoots with Bane[/spoiler].
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:17:56 AM
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:11:52 AMQuotethe same kind of character development is found in Lucius deciding to allow the Wayne money to disappear over eight years without even taking the time to visit Bruce or Alfred in person
Does it say he never visited? I can't recall...
Also, he's only one of a board of directors. The board was[spoiler] being manipulated by [/spoiler] old fella-my-lad (can't remember his name) who was [spoiler]in cahoots with Bane[/spoiler].
Not as far as i remember...he did say something along the lines of "if you don't read your emails, Mr Wayne" though.
Ah the board huh? Since when did the board ever stop Lucius doing anything before? I'm talking about the man...Lucius knows this guy is Batman, knows Alfred and the family well...and he relies on emails...? Well, of course he does..it's called development ::)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:21:00 AM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:21:00 AM
The board managed to get rid of him in the first movie - it was only the eventual intervention of Bruce Wayne, through duplicitous methods, that got him back in.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:25:04 AM
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:25:04 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:21:00 AM
The board managed to get rid of him in the first movie - it was only the eventual intervention of Bruce Wayne, through duplicitous methods, that got him back in.
Certainly, although he was never really out was he...just shunted down to a lower divison... and it's Bruce Wayne who enables Lucius to get back into Wayne Industries once his security pass is revoked too, i take it...?
"Why, i wouldn't have thought that'd stop a man of your talents"
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:27:40 AM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:27:40 AM
There's a difference between breaking into a building in which he (presumably) designed the security for, and buying enough shares to be a majority shareholder on the board of a multinational company.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:30:12 AM
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:30:12 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:27:40 AM
There's a difference between breaking into a building in which he (presumably) designed the security for, and buying enough shares to be a majority shareholder on the board of a multinational company.
And visiting an old friend...?
My point being - Lucius shows over the first two films that he is no callous moron or anyone else's stooge...so why have him act like one all of a sudden.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:33:27 AM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:33:27 AM
Quote from: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:30:12 AMI'll need to watch it again, but I certainly did not see his actions as callous or a stooge. He has, as you said, been trying to contact Wayne about the problems. Not stooge like behaviour, I think!Quote from: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:27:40 AM
There's a difference between breaking into a building in which he (presumably) designed the security for, and buying enough shares to be a majority shareholder on the board of a multinational company.
And visiting an old friend...?
My point being - Lucius shows over the first two films that he is no callous moron or anyone else's stooge...so why have him act like one all of a sudden.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 July, 2012, 10:45:25 AM
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 July, 2012, 10:45:25 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:33:27 AM
I'll need to watch it again, but I certainly did not see his actions as callous or a stooge. He has, as you said, been trying to contact Wayne about the problems. Not stooge like behaviour, I think!
I got the impression that it was the focus on the [spoiler]reactor programme and its moth-balling[/spoiler] that crippled Wayne Industries' finances; that the [spoiler]diversion of funds absorbed profit in ways Lucius couldn't explain to the board[/spoiler] and I took the 'not answering your e-mails' line to be more of a refusal on Bruce's part to discuss [spoiler]the decision to mothball the reactor[/spoiler] than half-hearted attempt by Lucius to flag up an eight-year programme of mismanagement of the company.
That said, I've only seen the film once and this wasn't foremost in the things I was paying attention to, so I may have that wrong.
Cheers
Jim
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:45:44 AM
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:45:44 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:33:27 AMQuote from: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:30:12 AMI'll need to watch it again, but I certainly did not see his actions as callous or a stooge. He has, as you said, been trying to contact Wayne about the problems. Not stooge like behaviour, I think!Quote from: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:27:40 AM
There's a difference between breaking into a building in which he (presumably) designed the security for, and buying enough shares to be a majority shareholder on the board of a multinational company.
And visiting an old friend...?
My point being - Lucius shows over the first two films that he is no callous moron or anyone else's stooge...so why have him act like one all of a sudden.
I'd be interested what you think when you do.
Because if he isn't a board under manipulation's stooge...then it does raise the question 'why would this guy, who knows Wayne is Batman and knows the family and Alfred well, just allow the money to disappear while he just sends some emails?' Seems pretty callous and moronic to me, mate
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:54:40 AM
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 July, 2012, 10:45:25 AMQuote from: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:33:27 AM
I'll need to watch it again, but I certainly did not see his actions as callous or a stooge. He has, as you said, been trying to contact Wayne about the problems. Not stooge like behaviour, I think!
I got the impression that it was the focus on the [spoiler]reactor programme and its moth-balling[/spoiler] that crippled Wayne Industries' finances; that the [spoiler]diversion of funds absorbed profit in ways Lucius couldn't explain to the board[/spoiler] and I took the 'not answering your e-mails' line to be more of a refusal on Bruce's part to discuss [spoiler]the decision to mothball the reactor[/spoiler] than half-hearted attempt by Lucius to flag up an eight-year programme of mismanagement of the company.
That said, I've only seen the film once and this wasn't foremost in the things I was paying attention to, so I may have that wrong.
See, this is where i get confused...i thought Bruce Wayne had been a recluse for eight years? But did he work on the reactor, have it moth-balled and then become a recluse while the emails piled up?
Shite, does this mean i'm going to have to watch it again now too?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 26 July, 2012, 11:42:28 AM
Post by: radiator on 26 July, 2012, 11:42:28 AM
I've kind of warmed to it having thought about it for a few days.
Perhaps my initial disappointment was due in part to just feeling utterly overwhelmed by the story - which is so insanely convoluted that even the most attentive viewer would miss a few key plot points. I remember being lukewarm on Batman Begins when I first watched it, partly for similar reasons - I love it now, though - and it's a rare film that I like more each time I watch it.
The realisation that the story of Rises is a blend of No Man's Land, Knightfall and The Dark Night Returns makes me appreciate what they were trying to do a bit more, but I still think that Bane's plan is ludicrously complicated and bonkers. Ra's Al Ghul wanted to destroy Gotham - plain and simple. He was a villain I could understand - he wasn't even really presented as a villain, just a more extreme version of Batman. The motivations and strategies of Bane and Talia just seemed so muddled and complicated, which combined with all the other ludicrous story elements ended up leaving me a little underwhelmed and disconnected from it. I also think the style of filmmaking hurts it - one major event after another fly by so fast in a montage-like blur that the gravity of the situation fails to register. Nothing has time to sink in before we're in the middle of the next big set-piece.
And I still can't believe that [spoiler]no one seems bothered that Batman murders two people at the end of this film (Talia and the driver).[/spoiler]
Though I came out of the cinema with no desire to watch The Dark Knight Rises again, perhaps I'll end up giving it another go on Blu Ray.
As for the big debate about the film - I really, really liked Bane's voice - so much cooler than the generic gravely voice most actors would have done - but just wish it would have been clearer. Weird how it seemed to be so much higher in the mix to the point it sounded like it wasn't part of the film, but still quite hard to understand.
Perhaps my initial disappointment was due in part to just feeling utterly overwhelmed by the story - which is so insanely convoluted that even the most attentive viewer would miss a few key plot points. I remember being lukewarm on Batman Begins when I first watched it, partly for similar reasons - I love it now, though - and it's a rare film that I like more each time I watch it.
The realisation that the story of Rises is a blend of No Man's Land, Knightfall and The Dark Night Returns makes me appreciate what they were trying to do a bit more, but I still think that Bane's plan is ludicrously complicated and bonkers. Ra's Al Ghul wanted to destroy Gotham - plain and simple. He was a villain I could understand - he wasn't even really presented as a villain, just a more extreme version of Batman. The motivations and strategies of Bane and Talia just seemed so muddled and complicated, which combined with all the other ludicrous story elements ended up leaving me a little underwhelmed and disconnected from it. I also think the style of filmmaking hurts it - one major event after another fly by so fast in a montage-like blur that the gravity of the situation fails to register. Nothing has time to sink in before we're in the middle of the next big set-piece.
And I still can't believe that [spoiler]no one seems bothered that Batman murders two people at the end of this film (Talia and the driver).[/spoiler]
Though I came out of the cinema with no desire to watch The Dark Knight Rises again, perhaps I'll end up giving it another go on Blu Ray.
As for the big debate about the film - I really, really liked Bane's voice - so much cooler than the generic gravely voice most actors would have done - but just wish it would have been clearer. Weird how it seemed to be so much higher in the mix to the point it sounded like it wasn't part of the film, but still quite hard to understand.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: DeFuzzed on 26 July, 2012, 12:09:09 PM
Post by: DeFuzzed on 26 July, 2012, 12:09:09 PM
I love complicated plots, twists and turns and details that become clearer on rewatch. Having said that, Rises didn't feel very convoluted at all. The reasons behind Bane seem perfectly clear and logical because Wayne is far from being an idiot with amazing tech capabilities and so they needed to hide everything they were doing in his city extremely well. And they nearly won. In fact, they did win, in a way, because Gotham definitely fell, it just didn't stay fallen.
The sound could have been better, definitely, and I'm looking forward to putting on subtitles when the dvd comes out, but it wasn't so bad as to hide the story.
The sound could have been better, definitely, and I'm looking forward to putting on subtitles when the dvd comes out, but it wasn't so bad as to hide the story.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: darnmarr on 26 July, 2012, 12:13:49 PM
Post by: darnmarr on 26 July, 2012, 12:13:49 PM
In the history of 'films-that-ran-to-a-third-episode' it's really quite strong, and it did charm me in a desperat-to-entertain-and-bamboozle kind of way... just a few less speeches and a tad stronger narrative and I would've honestly found it truly amazing: I can forgive unrealistic voices and plot-holes, but boredom and disappointment rankle.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 26 July, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
Post by: radiator on 26 July, 2012, 12:21:01 PM
It felt convoluted in the sense that Bane's plan was very Bond villain, like the scene in his secret underground lair where he's killing his own henchmen - so cliched. There is a point where suspension of disbelief becomes a problem - even in a superhero film (and especially one pretending to be a 'serious' crime drama). The Joker's various plans in The Dark Knight came close to crossing the line, Bane's crossed it about twenty minutes into the film.
The League of Shadows members in Batman Begins struck me as loyal, but not the types to throw their lives away so willingly.
Yeah. The Return of the Jedi comparison is one I made myself. It's not 'bad', just merely OK by the standards of the previous films. I still don't know how anyone could rate this above either of the previous movies.
The League of Shadows members in Batman Begins struck me as loyal, but not the types to throw their lives away so willingly.
QuoteIn the history of 'films-that-ran-to-a-third-episode' it's really quite strong, and it did charm me in a desperat-to-entertain-and-bamboozle kind of way... just a few less speeches and a tad stronger narrative and I would've honestly found it truly amazing: I can forgive unrealistic voices and plot-holes, but boredom and disappointment rankle.
Yeah. The Return of the Jedi comparison is one I made myself. It's not 'bad', just merely OK by the standards of the previous films. I still don't know how anyone could rate this above either of the previous movies.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 26 July, 2012, 01:12:45 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 26 July, 2012, 01:12:45 PM
Quote from: hoops on 25 July, 2012, 10:31:33 PMQuote from: judgeblake on 25 July, 2012, 06:53:46 PMQuote from: Richmond Clements on 25 July, 2012, 08:07:09 AMQuote from: Hawkmonger on 25 July, 2012, 07:49:03 AM
Can anyone explain to what the point of the Dr. Crane cameo was?
The guy was in there for litteraly two minuets, we don't even find out what happened to him.
Now I love Cillien Murphy as Scarecrow but his appearence just felt shoehorned and phoned in.
Wha-? It was a cameo - that's why he was there for a couple of minutes. Otherwise it wouldn't be a cameo. And he was obviously [spoiler]one of the escapees from Blackgate.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]I agree - it was nothing more than a cameo - he had clearly escaped from arkham asylum and got himself appointed 'judge' of the people of Gotham brought before him whom he condemned to death basically (death by exile, or death) I agree it was unneeded, but I also feel talia al ghul's presence in the plot, as well as Liam Neeson's cameo are unneeded - but they are all part of Nolan's need to round off his trilogy.[/spoiler]
I think Nolan sacrificed having a decent plot just so he could tie everything up nicely.
I completely agree
Quote from: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 08:45:15 AM
Bruce Wayne: You still haven't given up on me?
Alfred Pennyworth: Never!
...well, until part three that is, when you really need me...[spoiler]and then i'll leave, and when you 'die'... i'll cry because i've let your father down.[/spoiler]
Because that's the faithful Alfred Pennyworth we all know and love.
::)
[spoiler]This was one of many elements out of keeping with the trilogy thus far, that seemed to only serve the purpose of the script and the curtailing of the trilogy. But I think it's also likely that the movie was running far too long, and that Nolan may have cut alot of Alfred either out of the latter script or out of the movie print, sublimating this with a token speech from Alfred earlier on, and the finale linked to Alfred. We of course have to read into the character of Alfred here and interpret it for ourselves ; trying to make sense of Alfred's departure, I see it as both tough love towards Wayne, as well as Alfred foreseeing the inevitable and not wanting to bear witness to Wayne/Batman's demise. I still would have rather have had Alfred remain, maybe closely working with Lucius Fox, and remaining by Wayne's side (or certainly near it) - then maybe accepting John Blake into the house - maybe sharing a hinted conversation with Blake regarding 'sacrifice''gothams need for a knight''the existance of evil'etc before Blake breaks into the batcave for himself as we see him do whilst Alfred (and co) are in Venice/Florence. [/spoiler]
Quote from: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 10:54:40 AMQuote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 July, 2012, 10:45:25 AMQuote from: Richmond Clements on 26 July, 2012, 10:33:27 AM
I'll need to watch it again, but I certainly did not see his actions as callous or a stooge. He has, as you said, been trying to contact Wayne about the problems. Not stooge like behaviour, I think!
I got the impression that it was the focus on the [spoiler]reactor programme and its moth-balling[/spoiler] that crippled Wayne Industries' finances; that the [spoiler]diversion of funds absorbed profit in ways Lucius couldn't explain to the board[/spoiler] and I took the 'not answering your e-mails' line to be more of a refusal on Bruce's part to discuss [spoiler]the decision to mothball the reactor[/spoiler] than half-hearted attempt by Lucius to flag up an eight-year programme of mismanagement of the company.
That said, I've only seen the film once and this wasn't foremost in the things I was paying attention to, so I may have that wrong.
See, this is where i get confused...i thought Bruce Wayne had been a recluse for eight years? But did he work on the reactor, have it moth-balled and then become a recluse while the emails piled up?
Shite, does this mean i'm going to have to watch it again now too?
I interpreted that as; [spoiler]Wayne had gone underground after TDK and recovering from his wounds he had put money into further saving gotham by developing several projects with Fox, including the sustainable energy project. I also thought maybe Wayne even continued his activities as batman on and off explaining his many injuries, frailties, lack of cartilage etc Being forced to stop activities as Batman due to his bodily injuries may have forced Wayne into a depression and period of prolongued reclusive behaviour and subsequent long term abandonment of the sustainable energy project - all stemming from his inability to act as batman on the streets of gotham fighting crime and evil and thus appeasing his guilt in the role he played in the death of Rachel.[/spoiler]
I could be reading too much into it all though lol :P
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Dandontdare on 26 July, 2012, 01:19:18 PM
Post by: Dandontdare on 26 July, 2012, 01:19:18 PM
Quote from: radiator on 26 July, 2012, 11:42:28 AM
As for the big debate about the film - I really, really liked Bane's voice - so much cooler than the generic gravely voice most actors would have done - but just wish it would have been clearer. Weird how it seemed to be so much higher in the mix to the point it sounded like it wasn't part of the film, but still quite hard to understand.
Agreee, I didn't find Bane's voice innapropriate, and could understand almost all of his speeches, it worked fine. Batman's silly voice however just made me cringe.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 26 July, 2012, 01:26:01 PM
Post by: radiator on 26 July, 2012, 01:26:01 PM
I don't really mind Batman's voice too much - yeah it's a little over the top, but I always got the impression that he has some sort of voice diguiser/distorter built in to the suit that also acts to intimidate people - which also explains why he still does the voice when no one else is around.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 26 July, 2012, 01:36:07 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 26 July, 2012, 01:36:07 PM
actually, I thought Batman's voice didnt sound as weird as usual in TDKR...but Bane's voice just sound overly dubbed and manipulated.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Charlie boy on 26 July, 2012, 01:41:10 PM
Post by: Charlie boy on 26 July, 2012, 01:41:10 PM
I was really disappointed by DKR. There's sloppy editing which you don't expect from a Nolan film, some major plot-holes that would have surely prevented the big ending and I don't get how Bane's voice was such a chore to understand in many scenes despite how it had been worked on for a second time in editing. Seeing as the rule with Dark Knight was Joker had to live, I'm guessing the story for this finale would have been entirely different if not for the truly unfortunate circumstances of Ledger's premature death.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 26 July, 2012, 02:57:38 PM
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 26 July, 2012, 02:57:38 PM
Quote from: Charlie boy on 26 July, 2012, 01:41:10 PMI also guessed that.
Seeing as the rule with Dark Knight was Joker had to live, I'm guessing the story for this finale would have been entirely different if not for the truly unfortunate circumstances of Ledger's premature death.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: GordyM on 26 July, 2012, 03:41:42 PM
Post by: GordyM on 26 July, 2012, 03:41:42 PM
Quote from: judgeblake on 26 July, 2012, 01:36:07 PM
actually, I thought Batman's voice didnt sound as weird as usual in TDKR...but Bane's voice just sound overly dubbed and manipulated.
Yeah, turning it into more of a voice over was such a dumb idea.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Professor Bear on 26 July, 2012, 05:24:45 PM
Post by: Professor Bear on 26 July, 2012, 05:24:45 PM
So the finale hinged on the fact that [spoiler]some days you just can't get rid of a bomb[/spoiler]? I am actually cool with that, just as I am cool with the movie doing something genuinely groundbreaking with the character in[spoiler] giving Bruce Wayne a happy ending after Batman[/spoiler], as even the bright and obnoxious Brave and the Bold didn't go that far. There are some problems with logic:[spoiler] the precise timescale for a nuclear meltdown/detonation, every copper going underground to rescue them capitalists (who, then, is directing traffic, guarding the mayor, manning police stations, or - and I realise this may be a bit much of an ask of a Gotham cop - dealing with crime?), Batman being paralysed and then getting better just because (see also: the limp), and I am pretty sure you don't need an autopilot to fly in a straight line as much as you need maybe a boot to hold the accelerator down and a length of string for the steering wheel but it still sucks to be you if you're on a fishing boat that day or live on a beach and haven't made tsunami plans, I wonder why people think Batman is dead if they have his bat-spaceship at the end to check the computer for reprogramming, and I wonder why Alfred and Bruce don't speak to each other at the end given they're about three feet apart and if anyone is watching one or the other it's not like either is in disguise or anything. It just looks like Bruce is being a cock to an elderly man who told him so.[/spoiler]
All in all, though, I enjoyed it. Not as good as Dark Knight, but better than Batman Begins.
All in all, though, I enjoyed it. Not as good as Dark Knight, but better than Batman Begins.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Frank on 26 July, 2012, 05:47:34 PM
Post by: Frank on 26 July, 2012, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: Professah Byah on 26 July, 2012, 05:24:45 PM
So the finale hinged on the fact that [spoiler]some days you just can't get rid of a bomb[/spoiler]?
SPOILER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au0wasRm230)
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 05:49:38 PM
Post by: hoops on 26 July, 2012, 05:49:38 PM
Quote from: Professah Byah on 26 July, 2012, 05:24:45 PM
So the finale hinged on the fact that [spoiler]some days you just can't get rid of a bomb[/spoiler]?
:lol: Well spotted! It is, isn't it!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 26 July, 2012, 06:28:05 PM
Post by: Tiplodocus on 26 July, 2012, 06:28:05 PM
I may be mistaken but the "You haven't given up on me, Alfred?" "Never" exchange was before Bruce Wayne became Batman.
So Alfred [spoiler]walking out on him when he continues to punish himself by being the Batman (he even says as much that he wished he'd not come back and made himself happy)[/spoiler] made perfect sense to me.
So Alfred [spoiler]walking out on him when he continues to punish himself by being the Batman (he even says as much that he wished he'd not come back and made himself happy)[/spoiler] made perfect sense to me.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 26 July, 2012, 06:33:36 PM
Post by: Tiplodocus on 26 July, 2012, 06:33:36 PM
And curse my feeble memory but I didn't think Bats actually [spoiler]deliberately killed anybody at the end - he just took a drastic action to stop the truck that unfortunately caused massive fatal injuries. He did as much at the end of Batman Begins.[/spoiler]
So I thought his behaviour was consistent within the films - just not entirely with the comic character. But if you liked BATMAN BEGINS then you've already accepted that he's not the BATMAN from the comics. He's not a self made man and needed Rhas Al Ghul to show him the path. That's not Batman. But perfectly fine for the story they told in the films.
So I thought his behaviour was consistent within the films - just not entirely with the comic character. But if you liked BATMAN BEGINS then you've already accepted that he's not the BATMAN from the comics. He's not a self made man and needed Rhas Al Ghul to show him the path. That's not Batman. But perfectly fine for the story they told in the films.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 26 July, 2012, 06:38:41 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 26 July, 2012, 06:38:41 PM
Quote from: GordyM on 26 July, 2012, 03:41:42 PMQuote from: judgeblake on 26 July, 2012, 01:36:07 PM
actually, I thought Batman's voice didnt sound as weird as usual in TDKR...but Bane's voice just sound overly dubbed and manipulated.
Yeah, turning it into more of a voice over was such a dumb idea.
well I found it ironic people complained about batman's voice in the previous movies and in TDKR it's Bane's we're complaining about and Batman's was mixed quite well lol
maybe nolan measures the level of how 'otherworldly' and resonant the overdubbed voice is by the power of the character?
Quote from: Professah Byah on 26 July, 2012, 05:24:45 PM
So the finale hinged on the fact that [spoiler]some days you just can't get rid of a bomb[/spoiler]? I am actually cool with that, just as I am cool with the movie doing something genuinely groundbreaking with the character in[spoiler] giving Bruce Wayne a happy ending after Batman[/spoiler], as even the bright and obnoxious Brave and the Bold didn't go that far. There are some problems with logic:[spoiler] the precise timescale for a nuclear meltdown/detonation, every copper going underground to rescue them capitalists (who, then, is directing traffic, guarding the mayor, manning police stations, or - and I realise this may be a bit much of an ask of a Gotham cop - dealing with crime?), Batman being paralysed and then getting better just because (see also: the limp), and I am pretty sure you don't need an autopilot to fly in a straight line as much as you need maybe a boot to hold the accelerator down and a length of string for the steering wheel but it still sucks to be you if you're on a fishing boat that day or live on a beach and haven't made tsunami plans, I wonder why people think Batman is dead if they have his bat-spaceship at the end to check the computer for reprogramming, and I wonder why Alfred and Bruce don't speak to each other at the end given they're about three feet apart and if anyone is watching one or the other it's not like either is in disguise or anything. It just looks like Bruce is being a cock to an elderly man who told him so.[/spoiler]
All in all, though, I enjoyed it. Not as good as Dark Knight, but better than Batman Begins.
A friend of mine said they thought TDKR was the most 'comic book' out of all the movies...but I disagreed and said that the aesthetics for The Dark Knight just seemed more colourful and neon tinted. However - although I still think I'm right - TDKR definately seems more comic book orientated in it's script -
when I say 'more comic book' - I mean, more like the Avengers say, rather than a gritty adaptation/interpretation. For instance; [spoiler]what may have been a homage to the old 60s batman series with batman finding it hard to get rid of a bomb, robin making a disguised appearance, the characters suffering grievous injuries but repairing and healing quickly, Cmmsioner Gordon in a rolling vehicle with a large bomb getting out unscathed etc etc[/spoiler]
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 26 July, 2012, 07:36:18 PM
Post by: Tiplodocus on 26 July, 2012, 07:36:18 PM
Oh and all of clan Tips understood everything Bane said. IMAX speakers = very good.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 26 July, 2012, 08:43:16 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 26 July, 2012, 08:43:16 PM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 26 July, 2012, 07:36:18 PM
Oh and all of clan Tips understood everything Bane said. IMAX speakers = very good.
there's only a few lines of dialogue I couldn't quite hear in the film, maybe one from Bane and a couple from Batman apart from that - Bane's dialogue was clear enough - overly boomy even - seemed to be fed through a guitar pedal lol I would have loved more dialogue from Bane - more opportunities to key into his thinking and motivation. Some have criticised Bane for being like a Bond villian - I would have liked more lines that are atypical of a Bond villian and more or a character portrait no matter how caricature or comic book.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 26 July, 2012, 09:43:55 PM
Post by: radiator on 26 July, 2012, 09:43:55 PM
QuoteA friend of mine said they thought TDKR was the most 'comic book' out of all the movies...but I disagreed and said that the aesthetics for The Dark Knight just seemed more colourful and neon tinted. However - although I still think I'm right - TDKR definately seems more comic book orientated in it's script -
Batman Begins is the most 'comicy' looking one - the Gotham of BB is quite stylised, more futuristic, vaguely gothic - presumably because it was at the time a soft reboot of the Burton/Schumacher franchise so Nolan wasn't able to make such a wild visual departure from what had gone before. Begins is certainly the only one of the Nolan films that feels like parts of it were shot on a sound stage.
The Dark Knight is shot in a very un-comic book style - it looks more like a Michael Mann film than a superhero one.
In terms of script, story and tone, Rises is the most like the comics, it seems to give up the veneer of realism of the previous two movies - with mixed results imo.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 27 July, 2012, 12:07:04 AM
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 27 July, 2012, 12:07:04 AM
I've rarely liked superhero movies, the exceptions being the Superman and X Men films, and the more 'believable' they become for me just betrays their fantasy roots, exposes the hokum of the original idea, and and results in urban crime thrillers with a couple of the characters in fancy dress (I'm not interested in crime dramas).
Is it just me or is Dark Knight Rises a convoluted but stylised way of having[spoiler] a villain with a disability hijack an enormous bomb with which to kill a large number of people for fun, to be foiled and killed by the hero with gadgets seconds before to bomb goes off?[/spoiler]
It's a very successful attempt in making Batman realistic and believable (not sure why you would want to do that). It's certainly a film for fans of the first two parts. Apparently it's a very intelligent film. For me it was just complex.
However, for me the problem with his filmmaking, and other recent films such as Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, is the way that, as the story takes precidence, they play like a 3 hour montage, with no scene really beginning or ending, and with continuous looming but unmelodic mood music.
Credit should be given to the effects though, especially, I suspect, the model shots, as I couldn't identify a single moment of CGI - by usual bugbear?
Is it just me or is Dark Knight Rises a convoluted but stylised way of having[spoiler] a villain with a disability hijack an enormous bomb with which to kill a large number of people for fun, to be foiled and killed by the hero with gadgets seconds before to bomb goes off?[/spoiler]
It's a very successful attempt in making Batman realistic and believable (not sure why you would want to do that). It's certainly a film for fans of the first two parts. Apparently it's a very intelligent film. For me it was just complex.
However, for me the problem with his filmmaking, and other recent films such as Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, is the way that, as the story takes precidence, they play like a 3 hour montage, with no scene really beginning or ending, and with continuous looming but unmelodic mood music.
Credit should be given to the effects though, especially, I suspect, the model shots, as I couldn't identify a single moment of CGI - by usual bugbear?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 27 July, 2012, 12:12:24 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 27 July, 2012, 12:12:24 AM
Quote from: Adrian Bamforth on 27 July, 2012, 12:07:04 AM
I couldn't identify a single moment of CGI - by usual bugbear?
Not even the Stadium collapse?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 27 July, 2012, 12:24:26 AM
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 27 July, 2012, 12:24:26 AM
Well I guess there was that, though perhaps because logically it had to be, rather that being particularly bad CGI. Perhaps that moment was showing off a little more for the trailer.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dyl on 27 July, 2012, 11:18:13 AM
Post by: dyl on 27 July, 2012, 11:18:13 AM
My thoughts exactly Ade. I felt the same about Dark Knight( though looking back I think it's a lot better than Rises). They just feel like a collection of scenes where the characters don't speak, instead they just spout plot exposition. They clunkily explain who they are and whet they're going to do, or helpfully recap the plot for you. I don't like the way the action is integrated either it never feels part of the narrative more like a break in the plot exposition just for the sake of it. There was one point in particular this stood out for me when the special forces guys meet Gordon in their hideout. They have a big long chat about the plot and how to disarm the bomb or something and as soon as they're finished some random bad guys break in for a bit of a fight.
I really liked Begins it felt like a proper film with a good shape to it, and I loved the batmobile chase in it, nothing in the other two came close to it imho.
This new one really felt like 2hrs of build up to chase a ticking bomb, there were some good bits but tbh I was just looking forward to it ending.
I really liked Begins it felt like a proper film with a good shape to it, and I loved the batmobile chase in it, nothing in the other two came close to it imho.
This new one really felt like 2hrs of build up to chase a ticking bomb, there were some good bits but tbh I was just looking forward to it ending.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Fisticuffs on 27 July, 2012, 02:31:42 PM
Post by: Fisticuffs on 27 July, 2012, 02:31:42 PM
I agree, it's almost as though Nolan was so preoccupied with wrapping up his trilogy and tying everything together that he forgot to include a film as well.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Judo on 27 July, 2012, 05:36:47 PM
Post by: Judo on 27 July, 2012, 05:36:47 PM
I got paid to watch batman again today and I liked it a lot better cos i wasn't so confused or expecting things (like venom and the scarecrow) that weren't in it. In reply to whoever said about the liam neeson bit I didn't reply because that when I fell asleep the first time. I missed th situps and ghosts but woke up when everyone started shouting rise. But yes, yes I know what you mean person who's post I can't find x
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 27 July, 2012, 08:38:41 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 27 July, 2012, 08:38:41 PM
Quote from: Fisticuffs on 27 July, 2012, 02:31:42 PM
I agree, it's almost as though Nolan was so preoccupied with wrapping up his trilogy and tying everything together that he forgot to include a film as well.
I keep on saying the same thing.
I wan't longing for the film to end, so much as I was longing for Bane to suddenly walk up to catwoman or someone and shout [spoiler]'you think you could kill me that easily'[/spoiler].
Quote from: Judo on 27 July, 2012, 05:36:47 PM
I got paid to watch batman again today and I liked it a lot better cos i wasn't so confused or expecting things (like venom and the scarecrow) that weren't in it. In reply to whoever said about the liam neeson bit I didn't reply because that when I fell asleep the first time. I missed th situps and ghosts but woke up when everyone started shouting rise. But yes, yes I know what you mean person who's post I can't find x
you got paid to watch it! you lucky devil!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 31 July, 2012, 09:28:13 PM
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 31 July, 2012, 09:28:13 PM
BAH
I enjoyed this movie, I really did, I came out of the cinema feeling like I had been entertained.
BUT
As much as I enjoyed it I think it'll be a long time before I watch it again. I keep thinking about the plot, specifically [spoiler]Bane's plan to trap the police and cut off Gotham[/spoiler]. The more I try to understand it, the less sense it makes.
Why [spoiler]did the authorities think it would be a good idea to send almost the entire police force into the sewers? Even the desk jockeys? And there was a major sports event happening at the same time? Shouldn't there be at least a token police presence at such a large gathering of people? Y'know in case of a TERRORIST ATTACK. And Bane was counting on the authorities being this stupid and reckless for his plan to work?[/spoiler] Was I not paying enough attention? [spoiler]Did I miss a scene that shows Bane's goons storming all the police buildings? Y'know, in case not ALL the cops were down in the sewers.[/spoiler]
And then [spoiler]Bane gives the cops food and water. He gives his FULLY ARMED AND ARMOURED prisoners sustenance WITHOUT DEMANDING THEY SURRENDER THEIR WEAPONS BEFORE HE GIVES THEM A SINGLE MORSEL OR DROP. And it totally comes back to bite him in the ass.[/spoiler]
I'll stop now. Just had to get that off my chest before I bored the arse off some work colleagues that won't shut up about the thing
I enjoyed this movie, I really did, I came out of the cinema feeling like I had been entertained.
BUT
As much as I enjoyed it I think it'll be a long time before I watch it again. I keep thinking about the plot, specifically [spoiler]Bane's plan to trap the police and cut off Gotham[/spoiler]. The more I try to understand it, the less sense it makes.
Why [spoiler]did the authorities think it would be a good idea to send almost the entire police force into the sewers? Even the desk jockeys? And there was a major sports event happening at the same time? Shouldn't there be at least a token police presence at such a large gathering of people? Y'know in case of a TERRORIST ATTACK. And Bane was counting on the authorities being this stupid and reckless for his plan to work?[/spoiler] Was I not paying enough attention? [spoiler]Did I miss a scene that shows Bane's goons storming all the police buildings? Y'know, in case not ALL the cops were down in the sewers.[/spoiler]
And then [spoiler]Bane gives the cops food and water. He gives his FULLY ARMED AND ARMOURED prisoners sustenance WITHOUT DEMANDING THEY SURRENDER THEIR WEAPONS BEFORE HE GIVES THEM A SINGLE MORSEL OR DROP. And it totally comes back to bite him in the ass.[/spoiler]
I'll stop now. Just had to get that off my chest before I bored the arse off some work colleagues that won't shut up about the thing
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Professor Bear on 31 July, 2012, 09:37:18 PM
Post by: Professor Bear on 31 July, 2012, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: Adrian Bamforth on 27 July, 2012, 12:07:04 AM
I couldn't identify a single moment of CGI - by usual bugbear?
I think the Bat-spaceship might have been CGI.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 31 July, 2012, 10:32:52 PM
Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 31 July, 2012, 10:32:52 PM
I'm sure it mostly was... it just seemed what was there was subtle and well integrated enough to not be obvious.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 31 July, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 31 July, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
Quote from: Professah Byah on 31 July, 2012, 09:37:18 PM
I think the Bat-spaceship might have been CGI.
Most of the chase sequences were done with a physical mock-up of the vehicle mounted on a rig on the back of a truck -- they just CGed out the truck.
Cheers
Jim
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 31 July, 2012, 10:56:12 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 31 July, 2012, 10:56:12 PM
yeah I remember watching some of the first filming footage to come from TDKR and it showed a reveal of the 'bat-wing' flying through a day-lit Gotham, but it reminded me of seeing similar efforts I'd seen in previous Batman movies so I was dubious as to how the final result would look - plus the 'ship' itself looked clunky and as if it was on pneumatics...but the bat wing worked in the film itself.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: auxlen on 04 August, 2012, 08:35:45 PM
Post by: auxlen on 04 August, 2012, 08:35:45 PM
just saw it and enjoyed it (although i enjoyed the mini-game of trying to understand Bane also.)
I wasn't a fan of the 2nd film mainly because of the heath ledger gushings which ruined it for me.
In all the first is still my favorite.
Also gutted Dredd trailer wasn't shown.
Also evertyime we see the gorden-levitt chap we always go 'ah tommy's all growd up'
I wasn't a fan of the 2nd film mainly because of the heath ledger gushings which ruined it for me.
In all the first is still my favorite.
Also gutted Dredd trailer wasn't shown.
Also evertyime we see the gorden-levitt chap we always go 'ah tommy's all growd up'
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Proudhuff on 05 August, 2012, 04:06:34 PM
Post by: Proudhuff on 05 August, 2012, 04:06:34 PM
where do i go to get those hours of my life back?
That was painful,dull, muddled, tired, predictable,so full of plotholes there was little left over and it had Tom Conti at his stuttering best, why lord why?
There was just silliness piled on silliness piled on pish, radioactive tsunami anyone?
fourty mins of adverts at the start didn't help either and that's the whitest I've see NY, sorry Gotham since the days of Adam West.
That was painful,dull, muddled, tired, predictable,so full of plotholes there was little left over and it had Tom Conti at his stuttering best, why lord why?
There was just silliness piled on silliness piled on pish, radioactive tsunami anyone?
fourty mins of adverts at the start didn't help either and that's the whitest I've see NY, sorry Gotham since the days of Adam West.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: judgeblake on 05 August, 2012, 04:51:31 PM
Post by: judgeblake on 05 August, 2012, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 05 August, 2012, 04:06:34 PM
where do i go to get those hours of my life back?
That was painful,dull, muddled, tired, predictable,so full of plotholes there was little left over and it had Tom Conti at his stuttering best, why lord why?
There was just silliness piled on silliness piled on pish, radioactive tsunami anyone?
fourty mins of adverts at the start didn't help either and that's the whitest I've see NY, sorry Gotham since the days of Adam West.
I agree with the amount of adverts they had on. I miss the days where adverts were cinematic e.g. in the 90s...or when normal 'tv ads' werent on at the cinema at all. Plus no a Dredd trailer before the screening!!!
As for Adam West nostalgia - I think they should do a Big Daddy film with a cameo from west!!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 07 August, 2012, 12:07:51 AM
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 07 August, 2012, 12:07:51 AM
I've avoided all spoilers for Batman, and saw I tonight for the first time. It was ok, reasonably entertaining. The best thing about it? The DROKKING DREDD TRAILER BEFOREHAND! Man, seeing that on the big screen almost made me leap up and cheer! Wasn't it bloody brilliant?!?
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Ghastly McNasty on 08 August, 2012, 10:55:59 AM
Post by: Ghastly McNasty on 08 August, 2012, 10:55:59 AM
I enjoyed the movie. Nothing mind blowing but entertaining none the less.
I too must declare that I though Bane's voice was brilliant. Gave him an air of mystery and even invincibility. Best masked voice over thingy since Lord Vader himself!
Dredd trailer was goooood to.
I too must declare that I though Bane's voice was brilliant. Gave him an air of mystery and even invincibility. Best masked voice over thingy since Lord Vader himself!
Dredd trailer was goooood to.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Proudhuff on 08 August, 2012, 01:41:38 PM
Post by: Proudhuff on 08 August, 2012, 01:41:38 PM
Ranty mode on:
after mulling it over, i really disliked this more than previous ones.
and was there any moral to the whole thing?
The people crave corrupt masters? you can rebel but it mean you'll all die? the League/ outside threat is worse that corrupt officals so accept them? even the Clooney version beat this twaddle,
rant mode off. :D
after mulling it over, i really disliked this more than previous ones.
and was there any moral to the whole thing?
The people crave corrupt masters? you can rebel but it mean you'll all die? the League/ outside threat is worse that corrupt officals so accept them? even the Clooney version beat this twaddle,
rant mode off. :D
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 08 August, 2012, 05:01:19 PM
Post by: SmallBlueThing on 08 August, 2012, 05:01:19 PM
Just out of interest, how is this doing at the international box office? Has it beaten marvel avengers assemble yet, as it was widely expected to do? I havent heard much about it since release, was it just a massive damp squib?
SBT
SBT
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 08 August, 2012, 05:28:32 PM
Post by: radiator on 08 August, 2012, 05:28:32 PM
It's doing very well, though not as good as Avengers and not as well as The Dark Knight.
TDKR is a very successful film, whereas TDK was a full-blown cultural phenomenon - I never expected the former to exceed the latter.
I expect that word of mouth has been far more mixed on TDKR too - it isn't as near-universally popular as TDK.
TDKR is a very successful film, whereas TDK was a full-blown cultural phenomenon - I never expected the former to exceed the latter.
I expect that word of mouth has been far more mixed on TDKR too - it isn't as near-universally popular as TDK.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Richmond Clements on 08 August, 2012, 05:32:55 PM
Post by: Richmond Clements on 08 August, 2012, 05:32:55 PM
Yeah, once Avengers started doing Avatar type money, I don't think there was any hope of beating it.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Buddy on 09 August, 2012, 01:38:15 PM
Post by: Buddy on 09 August, 2012, 01:38:15 PM
Seen this last weekend and was thoroughly underwhelmed by it.
Hathaway looked good the the Catwoman outfit (but would you really go about climbing in and out of buildings and running around in high heels?)
Banes voice sounded like a pantomime villain. Would have preferred if Nolan hadn't given in to complaints that no one could understand him when the first trailer was released... Sounded fine to me.
And no Dredd trailer either. Humph!
Hathaway looked good the the Catwoman outfit (but would you really go about climbing in and out of buildings and running around in high heels?)
Banes voice sounded like a pantomime villain. Would have preferred if Nolan hadn't given in to complaints that no one could understand him when the first trailer was released... Sounded fine to me.
And no Dredd trailer either. Humph!
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: dracula1 on 10 August, 2012, 01:09:35 AM
Post by: dracula1 on 10 August, 2012, 01:09:35 AM
Same as you Mr. Buddy! Hathaway looks amazing as does the film overall. It's no where near as good as the first two. I'm all Batmanned out! If they don't do another in the next 10 years I won't be bothered. Roll on Dredd and a fresh new perspectve on the action film. :P
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Judge Olde on 13 August, 2012, 06:15:41 PM
Post by: Judge Olde on 13 August, 2012, 06:15:41 PM
I don't think the film was ever going to be able to top the second, it was a good effort with a bit of a silly ending. I've watched the first two films plenty of times, I am not sure I could sit through the third more than a couple of times more, if that. Lots of plot points I could moan over, but it did what it was meant to & was a good enjoyable film. Not sure I want to see a Nightwing film though ..
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 13 August, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Post by: radiator on 13 August, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Don't know why people seem a little confused by the ending. Blake is clearly set up to be the next BATMAN, not Nightwing or Robin. He IS Robin during the film - or Nolans approximation of Robin. That's what the little nod at the end is supposed to reveal.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 13 August, 2012, 07:13:40 PM
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 13 August, 2012, 07:13:40 PM
Quote from: radiator on 13 August, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Don't know why people seem a little confused by the ending. Blake is clearly set up to be the next BATMAN, not Nightwing or Robin. He IS Robin during the film - or Nolans approximation of Robin. That's what the little nod at the end is supposed to reveal.
[spoiler]Whether he is Batman or Robin or Nightwing is inconsequential. He never had ninja training, doesn't have the seemingly endless resources of a large company (provided you're okay with grand larceny) and would be a corpse within a year. [/spoiler]
Also you should use spoiler tags.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 13 August, 2012, 07:34:49 PM
Post by: radiator on 13 August, 2012, 07:34:49 PM
I dont see what that has to do with the point i was making. All good points, hough, and all things that occurred to me too. As I said previously, it's those kind of niggles that ultimately marred the film for me.
As for spoiler tags - I dont seem to be able to do them in tapatalk, and also to a certain extent, this is the sort of thread one enters at their own risk.
As for spoiler tags - I dont seem to be able to do them in tapatalk, and also to a certain extent, this is the sort of thread one enters at their own risk.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 13 August, 2012, 08:45:40 PM
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 13 August, 2012, 08:45:40 PM
Quote from: radiator on 13 August, 2012, 07:34:49 PM
.......and also to a certain extent, this is the sort of thread one enters at their own risk.
Quite Right.
As for your point about Blake, I was trying to say in my clumsy curmudgeonly way, if you start trying to over-think this movie, it starts to fall apart. It doesn't really matter if he decides to take on the mantle of Batman or creates a new costumed vigilante that Gotham is unfamiliar with. He just doesn't have the training or resources. They're would have to be another origins movie. Batman Beyond/Nightwing Begins? Not something I'd be interested in and I think Nolan's made it pretty clear he's done with Batman anyway
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Charlie boy on 13 August, 2012, 09:30:43 PM
Post by: Charlie boy on 13 August, 2012, 09:30:43 PM
Nolan is said to be acting as executive producer on a new Batman trilogy. I can't see it focusing on Blake because the reboot was said to be needed because Nolan's Bat-universe wouldn't fit in with a JLA universe (could you really watch Dark Knight and believe that a couple of cities over there was a Godlike being from another world and a few more cities over a man wearing the most powerful weapon in the universe on his finger?). As for Blake becoming a worthy hero in his own right, isn't that doubtful? The whole point of Nolan's trilogy was it was Bruce, not the suit or gadgets (think of the opening in Begins were he's considered a threat to his fellow prisoners). Then years of training meant he could take down a load of armed mercenaries during one scene of DKR as if it was nothing. Blake, without this training, would struggle to move around Gotham properly in a suit, let alone stand against his first mob without being torn limb from limb.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 13 August, 2012, 10:21:07 PM
Post by: radiator on 13 August, 2012, 10:21:07 PM
Just me who got a kind of Dark Knight Returns 'sons of Batman' vibe from the orphanage being transported to Wayne Manor?
As for the Nolan universe not fitting with JLA - I completely agree, and while I think a hard reboot is the best way to go, it could conceivably work if they use a new Batman (Blake) as a launch pad for a radically different tone in the next film. Nolans films still stand as a complete piece of work while spinning off into something new and retaining enough familiar elements to keep people on board. After all, they do that sort of reinvention thing in the comics all the time.
As for the Nolan universe not fitting with JLA - I completely agree, and while I think a hard reboot is the best way to go, it could conceivably work if they use a new Batman (Blake) as a launch pad for a radically different tone in the next film. Nolans films still stand as a complete piece of work while spinning off into something new and retaining enough familiar elements to keep people on board. After all, they do that sort of reinvention thing in the comics all the time.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 August, 2012, 10:38:32 PM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 13 August, 2012, 10:38:32 PM
The next Bat-Boot will be launched after the JLA (2015) which would mean maybe another Bat-Film a year or two later in 2016/2017.
That's about 4-5 years cultural flushing-time which is enough for Nolan's Bat-Verse to be expelled.
That's about 4-5 years cultural flushing-time which is enough for Nolan's Bat-Verse to be expelled.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Charlie boy on 13 August, 2012, 11:35:54 PM
Post by: Charlie boy on 13 August, 2012, 11:35:54 PM
Quote from: radiator on 13 August, 2012, 10:21:07 PM
while I think a hard reboot is the best way to go, it could conceivably work if they use a new Batman (Blake) as a launch pad for a radically different tone in the next film. Nolans films still stand as a complete piece of work while spinning off into something new and retaining enough familiar elements to keep people on board. After all, they do that sort of reinvention thing in the comics all the time.
I'm one of those who are wondering how many years Nolan will wait before saying the ending was forced on him. I really can't see Blake getting a shot at the lead role because there is no investment in the character. Like countless people I'm interested in Batman, yes, but I've no interest at all in a character who has had around 30mins of screen-time in total stepping into the costume and how he gets on in the role. DC must know it's a bad idea, especially if it's true they're aiming to lighten the tone. Taking an excited child to see the 'next' Batman film and turning to him/her to say "Actually- what you've just said is wrong; Bruce Wayne isn't Batman like you just said. It's some person you've never heard of before because I didn't think you're old enough to see the last series of films yet" is probably as good an idea as saying "Let's watch Catwoman together. It's a DC film but it has no connection to the character or her history whatsoever... but Storm is in it."
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: radiator on 13 August, 2012, 11:57:08 PM
Post by: radiator on 13 August, 2012, 11:57:08 PM
Fwiw, I read the ending of TDKR as just that: an ending.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: JOE SOAP on 14 August, 2012, 12:37:26 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 14 August, 2012, 12:37:26 AM
Quote from: Charlie boy on 13 August, 2012, 11:35:54 PM
Like countless people I'm interested in Batman, yes, but I've no interest at all in a character who has had around 30mins of screen-time in total stepping into the costume and how he gets on in the role. DC must know it's a bad idea, especially if it's true they're aiming to lighten the tone.
Good reviews and over Two and a half billion dollars earned convinced DC/Warner that it was a good idea for 7 years +.
*30 minutes was about 5 times more than Dredd got on-screen before the new film.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Cactus on 14 August, 2012, 03:00:24 AM
Post by: Cactus on 14 August, 2012, 03:00:24 AM
Bane's voice appeared to be provided by Diablo's Deckard Cain. When the CIA guy on the plane said "So you can talk" I expected the reply to be "Yes. Stay a while and listen."
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: I, Cosh on 18 September, 2012, 12:44:43 AM
Post by: I, Cosh on 18 September, 2012, 12:44:43 AM
Well, I finally made it out to see this tonight (as we seem to be keeping score these days, a medium sized screen at Cineworld was 1/3 to 1/2 full on a Monday night eight weeks after release) and thought it was fantastic. On a first viewing, I was surprised to find that it didn't drag at all as I was swept along by the tidal wave of plot. Thought pretty much everyone in it did a great job, the fight scenes were better filmed than before, the story worked well to create an even bigger threat than before, tie up as much as possible and retrofit some of the previous films into it's closing threads.
There probably were holes in the plot and definitely elements of daftness and highly predictable elements (climbing without the rope) but they didn't really have time to interrupt my enjoyment of the whole and sometimes putting the right ingredients together in the right way is enough in itself. Although there was a lot going on, the plot didn't seem overly complicated or hard to follow to me.
Did I miss something or was Bane's voice redone? It certainly sounded different to how I remembered it from the preview, although I didn't have a problem understanding either version.
Anyway, certainly one of the top three new films I've seen at the pictures this year behind The Raid and Martha, Marcy May, Marlene.
There probably were holes in the plot and definitely elements of daftness and highly predictable elements (climbing without the rope) but they didn't really have time to interrupt my enjoyment of the whole and sometimes putting the right ingredients together in the right way is enough in itself. Although there was a lot going on, the plot didn't seem overly complicated or hard to follow to me.
Did I miss something or was Bane's voice redone? It certainly sounded different to how I remembered it from the preview, although I didn't have a problem understanding either version.
Quote from: radiator on 13 August, 2012, 10:21:07 PMNot at all. One of the things I liked about it was the little references to Dark Knight Returns. I was quite proud of myself for anticipating the bit with the older cop telling his young partner they "were going to see a show now." DKR is the only Batman comic I know well enough to pick up on, so I assume there were similar calls to Knightfall and the like.
Just me who got a kind of Dark Knight Returns 'sons of Batman' vibe from the orphanage being transported to Wayne Manor?
Anyway, certainly one of the top three new films I've seen at the pictures this year behind The Raid and Martha, Marcy May, Marlene.
Title: Re: The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
Post by: Tiplodocus on 18 September, 2012, 12:15:42 PM
Post by: Tiplodocus on 18 September, 2012, 12:15:42 PM
Whenever he's presented with a choice, Tiny Tips has started replaying it using his best Bane voice. As in, "I wondered what would break first; your body or your spirit!".
It is hilarious.
Still a great film though. And a great ending.
It is hilarious.
Still a great film though. And a great ending.