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Title: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Buttonman on 21 May, 2011, 10:44:52 AM

Seeing as The Cosh already has his copy and is dripping his square slice and fried egg over it as we speak I thought I better move quick to snag the thread - looks like the Cal-Hab posties are doing an early shift as it's cup final day. Maybe that or the last one out has to deliever to Neil Lennon's house!

Anyway read the offbeat Dredd and the quality Dreddlines - a winner all the way!
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: House of Usher on 21 May, 2011, 02:13:46 PM
Apart from skimming the text features, which were quite satisfying, I've only read the Judge Dredd strip, because it looked like fun. None of the other strips do and I haven't read all of the Megazine for about 6 months. I'll probably catch up over the summer.

It was a pretty enjoyable Dredd and it's great to see Brendan McArthy at work on the character again. However, vaccines don't work like that. If you've already been bitten then it's too late for a vaccine to do you any good. The word Dredd and other characters in the strip are looking for is 'antidote.' Vaccines are generally given to people who aren't already sick in order to prepare their immune systems to recognize a pathogen (i.e. a virus) next time they encounter it, and kill it off.

Dredd must have been delirious as a result of the bite for it to cause him to think 'good thoughts about vegetarians.' It's curious that the category 'vegetarian' even exists in Mega-City One, seeing as meat is relatively hard to come by there and most people seem to eat munce as their main source of protein. Meat-eaters would surely be the exception, wouldn't they?

Still and all, it was a fun story with a few good twists, and I enjoyed it a lot.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: strontium71 on 21 May, 2011, 06:26:21 PM
Quote from: House of Usher on 21 May, 2011, 02:13:46 PM
' It's curious that the category 'vegetarian' even exists in Mega-City One, seeing as meat is relatively hard to come by there and most people seem to eat munce as their main source of protein. Meat-eaters would surely be the exception, wouldn't they?

Excellent point - although I seem to remember in 'Tarantula' , I think it was called , weren't they breeding bisoon or something out in the Cur-said Earth for the Mega-City?
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: House of Usher on 21 May, 2011, 07:36:48 PM
Quote from: strontium71 on 21 May, 2011, 06:26:21 PM
Excellent point - although I seem to remember in 'Tarantula' , I think it was called , weren't they breeding bisoon or something out in the Cur-said Earth for the Mega-City?

For the wealthy end of the market, I presume!  ;)
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Art on 21 May, 2011, 08:12:33 PM
We know they're partial to the odd rat.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Professor Bear on 21 May, 2011, 08:36:44 PM
They grow meat on trees in the Dreddverse, don't they?  Synthetic meat is still meat, so presumably the objection to the consumption of flesh still applies - though I'm taking it as given that not all vegetarians abstain on the basis of animal welfare alone.  I know I went veggie for years because I was just fucking sick of it (to this day I won't eat chicken even though I had a burger off a market stall earlier).

I do also vaguely recall that by the end of some Otto Sump story, Justice Department was selling mashed-up insects as a cheap and abundant food source, so if you take that as being widely distributed it would mean that the vast majority of MC1 food is animal/insect-derived.  If the ingredients later became public knowledge there might have been an inevitable vegetarian movement in opposition to that.  This reasoning needs a lot of presumption, mind, and it all might just as easily be explained away with "Mega City One is huge and there's bits of it where vegetarianism is a thing."
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: ming on 21 May, 2011, 10:02:25 PM
Gah - away for a week and I'm really eager to read the Meg right now... I've been sitting on copies of the unlettered art that Brendan sent me ages ago and I can't wait to see how the printed version looks.  The apparent twist involving [spoiler]the effect of a chunk of Dredd-flesh on a zombie[/spoiler] looked like great fun.  (I must thank Wake again for letting me have the opening page from this story - cheers, Wake!)

Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: ming on 21 May, 2011, 10:12:14 PM
In case anyone wants to see an example of the art before Brendan finished it off in Superdigidelic Zombiescope...

(http://i.imgur.com/OzyNJ.jpg)

:)
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Leigh S on 21 May, 2011, 10:15:50 PM
The covers not quite accurate - we've seen Dredd as a zombie before, and from this very artist!

But hey, McCarthy is just a top 3 Dredd artist for me, and this was stellar art, so cant complain... I'd love to see Brendan do a one off Stront story for an end of year prog, having just reread a couple of his old Stront stories from the Starlord specials
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: House of Usher on 21 May, 2011, 10:43:25 PM
Quote from: Professah Byah on 21 May, 2011, 08:36:44 PM
I do also vaguely recall that by the end of some Otto Sump story, Justice Department was selling mashed-up insects as a cheap and abundant food source

'Foodstuff A' and 'Foodstuff B'! I wonder if you can still get that? I had quite forgotten about the meat tree farms. All I could think of was mid-nineties Megazine stories where meat had black market connotations and Dredd was bursting angrily into abattoirs.

Quote from: ming on 21 May, 2011, 10:02:25 PM
The apparent twist involving [spoiler]the effect of a chunk of Dredd-flesh on a zombie[/spoiler] looked like great fun.

Oh! That's a pretty darn clever twist.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: John Caliber on 22 May, 2011, 03:58:42 AM
Wonderful to see sound FX graphics back in Judge Dredd! One of those traditions unique to comics that should never have been waylaid - gives action-adventure stories a sorely-needed kick.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: ming on 22 May, 2011, 05:27:44 AM
Quote from: John Caliber on 22 May, 2011, 03:58:42 AM
Wonderful to see sound FX graphics back in Judge Dredd! One of those traditions unique to comics that should never have been waylaid - gives action-adventure stories a sorely-needed kick.

And that's entirely down to Bredan McCarthy... Something of a trademark feature that forms part of his physical art, not something added in with the rest of the text later (see the page I posted above).  In the Kapow 2000AD panel Brendan mentions sound effects and that editorial would prefer him to let them be added later, allowing country- / language-specific variation in reprints.  He pointed out as far as sound effects go, 'Thok!' pretty much does the job whatever language you speak :D

For mw, McCarthy's always done the best sound effects around.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 22 May, 2011, 11:27:28 AM
Quote from: John Caliber on 22 May, 2011, 03:58:42 AM
Wonderful to see sound FX graphics back in Judge Dredd! One of those traditions unique to comics that should never have been waylaid - gives action-adventure stories a sorely-needed kick.

I'm very much inclined to agree -- both with you, and with Brendan. There seems to be this school of thought that's very common among letterers nowadays that the lettering has to stay out of the way and cover as little of the artwork as possible, a belief I thoroughly reject -- all you have to do is put in a bit of extra effort* to integrate the lettering into the artwork. I immodestly believe I do some of the best SFX work in the industry, and I have never had a complaint fed back from the artist that I covered up too much of their artwork...

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/SFX_Hoax_Hunters.jpg)

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/SFX_STRIP_Sample.jpg)

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/SFX_Dinosaur_Sample.jpg)

(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/SFX_Murderdrome.jpg)

Cheers

Jim

*I will concede that some of the masking operations required are quite time-consuming and lettering page rates are pretty low, so not starving is basically a function of volume, but if you went into this business expecting to get rich, you were pretty deluded!
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Trout on 22 May, 2011, 03:34:37 PM
I really enjoyed the Dredd story. It's bags of fun and has great art. It's particularly pleased to see the great Brendan McCarthy back on Dredd.

You can hear the "but" coming, can't you?

But... Dredd with a thought bubble? That grates. Sorry. Minor thing.

- Trout
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Buttonman on 22 May, 2011, 04:17:39 PM
Quote from: King Trout on 22 May, 2011, 03:34:37 PMBut... Dredd with a thought bubble? That grates. Sorry. Minor thing.
- Trout

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/333.jpg)
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Trout on 22 May, 2011, 04:24:23 PM
Fair enough. Had forgotten that one.

Also, judges on power boards are officially very cool. Nice work, Alan and Boo!
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: ming on 22 May, 2011, 04:41:54 PM
Quote from: King Trout on 22 May, 2011, 04:24:23 PM
Fair enough. Had forgotten that one.

Surely there are loads of Dredd though bubbles?  Off the top of my head, I remembered this one from The Warlord...

(http://i.imgur.com/H4MuZ.jpg)

Anyway, will get home tomorrow so can't wait got sit down with the Prog and Meg double-whammy.

Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: House of Usher on 22 May, 2011, 05:16:28 PM
How do you parse that thought bubble on the cover of Prog 333?

Notice it's "Um... synthi-sausage!" like Dredd is, after a pause for thought, announcing the solution to the clue for 7 down in the Mega-Times crossword, rather than "Mmmm! Synthi-sausage." like Dredd is savouring the thought of eating hot snack food alfresco.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: mygrimmbrother on 22 May, 2011, 05:50:33 PM
Jim - that raptor panel - what's it from? I need that comic!!!
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Pete Wells on 22 May, 2011, 06:42:37 PM
Don't want to derail the thread (further!) but what's the deal with thought bubbles? Are they not acceptable any more? I always kinda liked 'em and certainly saw nothing wrong with them. You often get to see what a character is thinking in a book so why not a comic?
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: radiator on 22 May, 2011, 06:52:22 PM
We've had thought bubbles in Dredd as recently as Origins. True, Wagner tends to use narration captions rather than thought bubbles (which I think works better most of the time) he's not above using them from time to time.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 22 May, 2011, 08:31:36 PM
Quote from: mygrimmbrother on 22 May, 2011, 05:50:33 PM
Jim - that raptor panel - what's it from? I need that comic!!!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0982750749?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1

Cheers!

Jim
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Professor Bear on 22 May, 2011, 11:02:34 PM
Quote from: Pete Wells on 22 May, 2011, 06:42:37 PM
Don't want to derail the thread (further!) but what's the deal with thought bubbles? Are they not acceptable any more?

They tend to be seen as an anachronism these days, though some writers still use them in a non-ironic fashion, most notably Dan Slott in Amazing Spider-Man.  The general consensus seems to be that first person narrative caption boxes are 'superior' to thought balloons, though I couldn't tell you why this might be the case.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Spaceghost on 23 May, 2011, 08:46:57 AM
It wasn't the thought bubble itself that annoyed me, it was the fact that Dredd seems to have momentarily turned into Jeremy Clarkson.

'Think good thoughts about vegetarians'? I vote this the clumsiest, most out of character line of dialogue ever spoken (thought) by Judge Dredd. Why would he have anything against vegetarians? Stupid...

I did enjoy the rest of the story though. Even though it seems highly unlikely that guards posted on the MC1 wall would be armed with rifles pre-loaded with the anti-zombie vaccine. How often would that actually come in handy?

Great art from McCarthy though.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: House of Usher on 23 May, 2011, 09:02:11 AM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 23 May, 2011, 08:46:57 AM
I did enjoy the rest of the story though. Even though it seems highly unlikely that guards posted on the MC1 wall would be armed with rifles pre-loaded with the anti-zombie vaccine. How often would that actually come in handy?

Instead, why not equip judges on Cursed Earth missions with a hypodermic of zombie vaccine antidote just in case they get bitten? They could then administer it quicker instead of having to race back to the city before the zombie transformation takes effect.

*sigh* I suppose what it comes back down to is 'it's just stories.'
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: mygrimmbrother on 23 May, 2011, 10:18:02 AM
Dredd - Yep, the plot was a bit of a stretch but it was also classic bizarro old school fun, and having Brendan Mcarthy on art duties worked a treat.

Anderson - I start out forgetting why I love Boo's art but a couple of pages in and I remember. Gorgeous.

Numbercruncher - Haven't read it yet, haven't been in the mood. I think I'll do the lot in one go soon though.

Samizdat Squad - I enjoy Paul Marshall's art these days, much more than I used to, but the script felt a little insubstantial.

Haven't read any features yet. Overall, an above average meg, but not quite a stratospheric one.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Trout on 23 May, 2011, 10:42:52 AM
On reflection, I'm not bothered about thought bubbles.

Whatever.

Good Meg, though. I liked Samizdat Squad, and I'm not just saying that to please Wyatt.  :)
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: radiator on 23 May, 2011, 10:50:02 AM
All this talk about "Dredd as you've never seen him before"....?

Erm, I have. Because I've read City of the Damned...

Story itself was OK - pretty silly as others have said, and not a patch on Rob Williams previous Dredd story which was superb. It was more a showcase for the art than anything.

Quote
Haven't read it yet, haven't been in the mood. I think I'll do the lot in one go soon though.

Same here - there's a lot to like about Numbercruncher, but it's a bit too confusing to follow in monthly installments and I stopped reading it a few months back. I'll definitely be reading the lot in one go when it's done, though.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: House of Usher on 23 May, 2011, 11:25:08 AM
Quote from: radiator on 23 May, 2011, 10:50:02 AM
Story itself was OK - pretty silly as others have said

I'll drink to that. And I wouldn't mind seeing more such silly Dredd stories in future, which sounds contrary I know, but it's refreshing to see stuff now and then that doesn't feel strictly canon.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: vzzbux on 23 May, 2011, 09:51:16 PM
Quote from: Buttonman on 22 May, 2011, 04:17:39 PM
Quote from: King Trout on 22 May, 2011, 03:34:37 PMBut... Dredd with a thought bubble? That grates. Sorry. Minor thing.
- Trout

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/333.jpg)

AHHHH. My first ever prog. (with free Star Wars ROTJ sticker album).




V
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: John Caliber on 24 May, 2011, 03:55:51 PM
Presuming Dredd's illness is a contagion rather than true zombieism, as Dredd would have have to have died first before being reanimated. Can't see any kind of antidote working that kind of miracle :)
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: vzzbux on 24 May, 2011, 09:04:12 PM
If there was risk of contagion wouldn't they have some sort of vaccine in one of their pouches just in case.





V
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: House of Usher on 24 May, 2011, 09:08:22 PM
If there was a vaccine involved at all they would presumably routinely vaccinate all judges, or at least any that were headed out beyond the wall for Cursed Earth duty.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Mikey on 25 May, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
Wonderfully eyecatching cover to say the least. And this is such a minor niggle it's hardly worth anyone's interest, but it's the kind of thing that sometimes annoys me -  the '...Gore' pun doesn't work unless you've got an Englishshire accent. Law rhymes with straw, braw, flaw and maw, but not gore.  ;) I know, I've nothing else to worry me! Anyhoo...

Dredd - a feast for the eyes and no mistake! Superb, as if it would be anything else from McCarthy. A fun story too - I've no problem with the occasional 'throw away' one off, especially if there's going to be some top flight art on show.

Anderson - Good stuff. I like this more than the Cadet run in tooth (and it's grand). Another belter from Boo, natch.

Numbercruncher - Liked this! I think it's finally clicked with me...

Samizdat Squad - Yup. Thought this was a good opener with a nice old school vibe - particularly the cliffhanger. I would say that it felt a bit flat in places, but that's grand for an opener when you're (re)introducing characters imo. Those wee cannibal beasties are freaky!

Good articles - I'm still enjoying the interviews - and the floppie was fuckin awful. It was such a non starter and lasted SO LONG. Yer woman's farty/strainign for a shite noise language was really annoying too (Kwoop!Fnerp!Blat!Hak! - 'Trouser of great smell beast'). Funny I have no recollection of reading it the first time. More Flesh next month too...

Overall, the Meg's in good form. Me likey!

M.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: James Stacey on 25 May, 2011, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: Mikey on 25 May, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
'...Gore' pun doesn't work unless you've got an Englishshire accent. Law rhymes with straw, braw, flaw and maw, but not gore.  ;) I know, I've nothing else to worry me! Anyhoo...
M.

How do you pronounce it then  :eh:
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Spaceghost on 25 May, 2011, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: Mikey on 25 May, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
Law rhymes with straw, braw, flaw and maw, but not gore.  ;)

Your mouth is, literally, full of wrong.  :lol:
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Richmond Clements on 25 May, 2011, 02:16:08 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 25 May, 2011, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: Mikey on 25 May, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
Law rhymes with straw, braw, flaw and maw, but not gore.  ;)

Your mouth is, literally, full of wrong.  :lol:

No, his mouth would be full of wrang.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Trout on 25 May, 2011, 03:24:47 PM
Quote from: Mikey on 25 May, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
the '...Gore' pun doesn't work unless you've got an Englishshire accent. Law rhymes with straw, braw, flaw and maw, but not gore.

See also "Alan Moore knows the score". :)
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: I, Cosh on 25 May, 2011, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 25 May, 2011, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: Mikey on 25 May, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
'...Gore' pun doesn't work unless you've got an Englishshire accent. Law rhymes with straw, braw, flaw and maw, but not gore.  ;) I know, I've nothing else to worry me! Anyhoo...
M.
How do you pronounce it then  :eh:
Gore rhymes with floor and more. Law doesn't.

Also, there is no "r" between the "a" and "g" in lager.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Richmond Clements on 25 May, 2011, 03:46:44 PM
I love nerds.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: James Stacey on 25 May, 2011, 03:47:40 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 25 May, 2011, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 25 May, 2011, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: Mikey on 25 May, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
'...Gore' pun doesn't work unless you've got an Englishshire accent. Law rhymes with straw, braw, flaw and maw, but not gore.  ;) I know, I've nothing else to worry me! Anyhoo...
M.
How do you pronounce it then  :eh:
Gore rhymes with floor and more. Law doesn't.

Also, there is no "r" between the "a" and "g" in lager.

I still have no idea how it's pronounced then ? Floor, more and Law all rhyme with gore or do you pronounce it Goo-er? Which would be plain wrong. I don't see how anyone can complain about rhyming, just because they pronounce the word incorrectly :D reminds me of the wonderful Beano strip .. "Pansy Potter the strong mans daughter" which only rhymed if you were Scottish.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Spaceghost on 25 May, 2011, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: The Cosh on 25 May, 2011, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 25 May, 2011, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: Mikey on 25 May, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
'...Gore' pun doesn't work unless you've got an Englishshire accent. Law rhymes with straw, braw, flaw and maw, but not gore.  ;) I know, I've nothing else to worry me! Anyhoo...
M.
How do you pronounce it then  :eh:
Gore rhymes with floor and more. Law doesn't.

Also, there is no "r" between the "a" and "g" in lager.

But...gore, more, Moore, score, floor, straw, braw, flaw, maw, poor, tour, four, shore, bore, claw and straw all rhyme with law.

How are you pronouncing 'gore'?  :o
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Trout on 25 May, 2011, 04:06:39 PM
Law rhymes with the noise you make upon seeing something cute: "Awwwwww!"

The vowel in "gore" rhymes with the noise you make upon seeing something a bit surprising: "Oh!"

Ye saft southern pansies!

- Trout
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Dandontdare on 25 May, 2011, 04:11:38 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 25 May, 2011, 03:49:41 PM
But...gore, more, Moore, score, floor, straw, braw, flaw, maw, poor, tour, four, shore, bore, claw and straw all rhyme with law.

Rubbish - Lore and Law (should) sound completely different, as do floor and flaw.

(shouldn't this be on the pedants' thread?)
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Spaceghost on 25 May, 2011, 04:22:04 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 25 May, 2011, 04:11:38 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 25 May, 2011, 03:49:41 PM
But...gore, more, Moore, score, floor, straw, braw, flaw, maw, poor, tour, four, shore, bore, claw and straw all rhyme with law.

Rubbish - Lore and Law (should) sound completely different, as do floor and flaw.

(shouldn't this be on the pedants' thread?)

Bollocks I say! Right, it's war. Anyone who pronounces law and gore so that they don't rhyme goes into the vats.

Wierdos.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Dandontdare on 25 May, 2011, 04:23:47 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 25 May, 2011, 04:22:04 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 25 May, 2011, 04:11:38 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 25 May, 2011, 03:49:41 PM
But...gore, more, Moore, score, floor, straw, braw, flaw, maw, poor, tour, four, shore, bore, claw and straw all rhyme with law.

Rubbish - Lore and Law (should) sound completely different, as do floor and flaw.

(shouldn't this be on the pedants' thread?)

Bollocks I say! Right, it's war. Anyone who pronounces law and gore so that they don't rhyme goes into the vats.

Wierdos.

Now WAR, that's a third pronunciation right there....
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Mikey on 25 May, 2011, 04:36:30 PM
Lord (not lawed) above, what have I started (not stahted)? It was an innocent comment!

Listen to Trout, for (not...oh,never mind) he is wise. And can pronounce his r's properly, ye glypes.

M
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Mikey on 25 May, 2011, 04:38:46 PM
And tour doesn't rhyme with four.

M
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Trout on 25 May, 2011, 05:00:33 PM
I know there are people out there waiting for me to say it, so...

"Prog" rhymes with "Rogue".

That's not a Scottish pronunciation, It's just common sense. It's short for "programme".

- Trout
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: James Stacey on 25 May, 2011, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: King Trout on 25 May, 2011, 05:00:33 PM
I know there are people out there waiting for me to say it, so...

"Prog" rhymes with "Rogue".

That's not a Scottish pronunciation, It's just common sense. It's short for "programme".

- Trout
So prog slog isn't alliterative then ? Lies!
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: House of Usher on 25 May, 2011, 06:20:49 PM
Quote from: Mikey on 25 May, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
the '...Gore' pun doesn't work unless you've got an Englishshire accent. Law rhymes with straw, braw, flaw and maw, but not gore.

I have an Englishshire accent. The pun sounds perfectly alright to me, and so it should to anyone who has any imagination. Just because a word has an 'r' in it doesn't mean you have to pronounce it. It's a regional difference. I don't have a Scottish accent, but I completely get the rhyme below:

Quote from: James Stacey on 25 May, 2011, 03:47:40 PM
"Pansy Potter the strong mans daughter" which only rhymed if you were Scottish.

Quote from: The Cosh on 25 May, 2011, 03:41:56 PM
Gore rhymes with floor and more. Law doesn't.

Except that it does.

Quote from: Dandontdare on 25 May, 2011, 04:23:47 PM
Now WAR, that's a third pronunciation right there....

War? Rhymes with 'wore' and 'Waugh.'

Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Spaceghost on 25 May, 2011, 06:27:25 PM
It boils down to this - if you're not from Yorkshire, you can't talk properly.

Even outside WEST Yorkshire is pushing it.  ;)
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: mogzilla on 25 May, 2011, 08:12:32 PM
good meg, the dredd was enjoyable hokum even liked the [spoiler]evolving zombie[/spoiler] dishing out his own brand of justice some part of me wants to see him again...

numbercruncher both baffles and amazes though one slight niggle if you go around killing your colleagues even if they are already technically dead isnt that still a sin and a probable violation of his contract of employment?

sadimat squad is growing on me but the transparent cannibals were seriously underused...

  anderson i arsom but then boo cook could draw one of those health education pamphlets you get in the drs and it'd be a classic!

articles are good but i still dont rate the movie section.sorry.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 25 May, 2011, 09:22:03 PM
I'm fighting with the Usher Block on this one...

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: watto911 on 25 May, 2011, 10:44:39 PM
Law rhymes with gore ONLY if you are Sly Stallone. "I am...... the LORE"
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: mogzilla on 25 May, 2011, 10:47:42 PM
judge dorset? i be the lore so i be arrr. ;)
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Mikey on 26 May, 2011, 11:38:21 AM
Quote from: House of Usher on 25 May, 2011, 06:20:49 PM
I have an Englishshire accent. The pun sounds perfectly alright to me, and so it should to anyone who has any imagination. Just because a word has an 'r' in it doesn't mean you have to pronounce it. It's a regional difference. I don't have a Scottish accent, but I completely get the rhyme below...

Before I go on, I'll reiterate that it's a minor, minor niggle of mine and I'm not being an arse for the sake of an argument. I understand it's a pun, or play on words, because I know it's written for a certain type of English accent. But...

...I'm not having that! I, in common with a lot of native English speakers of the world, do pronounce my r's. The hard r also exists in many other European languages. A German friend, when I first met him, thought I was taking the piss out of him when I said 'car' as he thought any native English speaker said 'cah', as that's the version he learned.

Yes, it's a regional difference but I genuinely do have to take a second to read that gore as 'gaw' (incidently, Gaw was my mother's maiden name). I could also say that it wouldn't be too hard for you to imagine adding the r to gore now, would it?  ;) If I have to imagine removing the r, it'd read 'goe'. And by extension, if I follow your logic, I live in the nawth of Ahlind which is composed of the ancient provinces of Ulstah, Lenstah, Munstah and Connaught. Or do you pronounce the 'r' when you read or say those words? You really should, but you imagine no r I bet. How about Larne or Ards?  >:D

But the nail in this one is - how would Dredd himself say it? I bet it wouldn't rhyme with how he says Law. Any more arguments and I'll ask you to say Donaghadee or Sruhanleanantawey.

And I apologise that my innocent observation has derailed this thread!

Quote from: King Trout on 25 May, 2011, 05:00:33 PM
I know there are people out there waiting for me to say it, so...

"Prog" rhymes with "Rogue".

Oh no - I think you've hit the wood there.

M.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: House of Usher on 26 May, 2011, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: Mikey on 26 May, 2011, 11:38:21 AM
I could also say that it wouldn't be too hard for you to imagine adding the r to gore now, would it?  ;) If I have to imagine removing the r, it'd read 'goe'.

It's not a case of adding or removing anything; it's a case of pronouncing or not pronouncing. Coming from my part of England I would pronounce 'gore' as 'gaw,' as you say.

QuoteAnd by extension, if I follow your logic, I live in the nawth of Ahlind which is composed of the ancient provinces of Ulstah, Lenstah, Munstah and Connaught. Or do you pronounce the 'r' when you read or say those words? You really should, but you imagine no r I bet. How about Larne or Ards?  >:D

Well, not entirely. 'Nawth,' yes. 'Ahlind'? no. I've never worked for the BBC and certainly not in the 1950s. Where I'm from that'd be pronounced something like 'Eye-ya-luhnd.' The others 'Ulsturh,' 'Lensturh' and 'Munsturh.' I'm not a bloody cockney! ;)

('urh' as in 'earth,' 'purse,' 'birth,' 'word,' 'Urdd' and 'Urdu')

Connaught I can't imagine pronounced other than 'Con-ort.' Please enlighten me!



Has anyone else got any thoughts on the current Megazine?  :D
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Mikey on 26 May, 2011, 12:09:28 PM
Conit for me, Canit for others or Canith for others still. It's a bloody minefield!

But yeah, back to the Meg talk!
M.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Spaceghost on 26 May, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
Well, I read the FLESH: Legend of Shamana floppies from last and this months Megs last night and I thoroughly enjoyed them. I wasn't reading the prog when the story originally ran so it was all new to me.

It was very typically Pat Mills fare with all his favourite ingredients; Earth Mother female characters, EVIL sexist men, EVIL corporation, fuzzy science, comedy and violence.

I was complaining recently about the Parasaurs in the recent FLESH series and their 'super powers' of screaming and farting but Shamana takes the bloody biscuit. Shape-shifting, psycho-camouflage dinosaurs? Mental.

And that scene where the dino goes into the caravan and PUTS ON LIPSTICK AND A NEGLIGEE!!!???!??!?!?!?

Genius.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 26 May, 2011, 12:40:30 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 26 May, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
Well, I read the FLESH: Legend of Shamana floppies from last and this months Megs last night and I thoroughly enjoyed them. I wasn't reading the prog when the story originally ran so it was all new to me.

Although, as I've already remarked elsewhere, nine pages without drawing a single background is taking the piss just a little bit, IMO!

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Spaceghost on 26 May, 2011, 01:40:15 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 26 May, 2011, 12:40:30 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 26 May, 2011, 12:18:44 PM
Well, I read the FLESH: Legend of Shamana floppies from last and this months Megs last night and I thoroughly enjoyed them. I wasn't reading the prog when the story originally ran so it was all new to me.

Although, as I've already remarked elsewhere, nine pages without drawing a single background is taking the piss just a little bit, IMO!

Cheers

Jim

Yeah, that did occur to me to be honest. It seemed like the story mostly occured in a cloud of brown fog.

Most 2000AD stories seemed to look like that in the 90's. That's part of the reason I stopped reading.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: judda fett on 26 May, 2011, 02:19:00 PM
For the pedants this is quickly settled by leafing through a rhyming dictionary and seeing if Law and Gore are close together and classed as direct rhyming words or similar.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: House of Usher on 26 May, 2011, 02:33:57 PM
From what I can see, 'law' and 'gore' don't pass the rhyming dictionary test.


(and, for what it's worth, "He is the gore" doesn't make sense anyway)
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: judda fett on 26 May, 2011, 03:33:22 PM
Good issue art-wise this Meg, definately the best of Boo in a while. Numbercruncher has grown on me, quite enjoyed PJ's work this issue and Im looking forward to the next installment and a healthy dollop of McMarvel too.
Sorry if its already been mentioned but does anyone know who the returning artdroid is- due in a Meg or twos time?
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Bolt-01 on 26 May, 2011, 04:23:20 PM
Isn't it Shaun Phillips? He's done a cover I believe.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Pioneer on 26 May, 2011, 10:17:45 PM
Christ.

Law... Gore. Say it. It rhymes! It also works in the context of the cover - I am the gore. He's a bloody zombie!

Sheesh....
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: House of Usher on 27 May, 2011, 12:20:05 AM
Quote from: Pioneer on 26 May, 2011, 10:17:45 PM
Christ.

Law... Gore. Say it. It rhymes!

Not if you're Scottish or Irish or from some provincial parts of England it doesn't.

QuoteIt also works in the context of the cover - I am the gore. He's a bloody zombie!

What's a gore? I know what "I am gory" and "I am covered in gore" mean. "I am the gore"? No-one would say that unless they were trying to come up with a zombie-related rhyme for law and not really worrying very much about what it actually means. It may well mean "I am a pile of stinking offal," but that doesn't ring true about the image on the cover, which has teeth and actually looks a lot more threatening and dangerous than a pile of stinking offal would.

It's past my bedtime. "Nurse, the screens!"  :lol:
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Mikey on 27 May, 2011, 09:20:04 AM
Quote from: Pioneer on 26 May, 2011, 10:17:45 PM
Christ.

:lol:

I did say I was sorry I ever mentioned it!

Quote from: Bolt-01 on 26 May, 2011, 04:23:20 PM
Isn't it Shaun Phillips? He's done a cover I believe.

Oh? Nice one! I was always a fan of his work - he's still the Definitive Devlin Waugh to me, no harm to the rest. It'd be great to see him tackle a strip...

M.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: James Stacey on 27 May, 2011, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: Mikey on 27 May, 2011, 09:20:04 AM
Quote from: Pioneer on 26 May, 2011, 10:17:45 PM
Christ.

:lol:

I did say I was sorry I ever mentioned it!

M.

Pedantry. It's what makes this board a special place  :geek:
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Pioneer on 27 May, 2011, 02:59:39 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 27 May, 2011, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: Mikey on 27 May, 2011, 09:20:04 AM
Quote from: Pioneer on 26 May, 2011, 10:17:45 PM
Christ.

:lol:

I did say I was sorry I ever mentioned it!

M.


Also apologies, I'd had one too many riocas last night and came over all passionate!

*cue "Diplomacy. It's what makes this board a special pace" ;)

Pedantry. It's what makes this board a special place  :geek:
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Pioneer on 27 May, 2011, 03:05:22 PM
I clearly have no grasp on the intricacies of posting yet either!

Back to Lurkersville for me...
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: M.I.K. on 27 May, 2011, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: Lee Bates on 25 May, 2011, 04:22:04 PM

Bollocks I say! Right, it's war. Anyone who pronounces law and gore so that they don't rhyme goes into the vats.

Wierdos.

It's "Weirdos", not "Wierdos", and yes, that article in the Megazine is wrong too. It should be "WEIRD TALES".

...and I'm Scottish and so pronounce "gore" properly, like how all English people used to in films from the olden days, (with the exception of cockneys).
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Zarjazzer on 28 May, 2011, 03:35:59 PM
A perfectly enjoyable MEG but Samizdat Squad is becoming a favourite with excellent art.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: PreacherCain on 30 May, 2011, 12:13:21 AM
Samizdat Squad was great.  I didn't much enjoy the first series all that much (not that I thought it was bad, it just didn't stick with me for some reason. Maybe the monthly wait between episodes?) This has gotten off to a great start however. Brilliant art, clear and concise storytelling and appearances by TWO cool looking alien lifeforms/mutants.  I'd like to see a bit more of those transparent things, they were quite cool!  And the last page was fantastic stuff too.

Personally I'm finding the Meg more consistently enjoyable than the Prog over the last few months. A perfect balance of stories and articles. Numbercruncher is excellent. It's a bit off having Anderson in both the Meg and the Prog however; I do think the Prog story is a bit better, the Meg story is all about Boo Cook's amazing art for me!
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Proudhuff on 30 May, 2011, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: House of Usher on 27 May, 2011, 12:20:05 AM
Quote from: Pioneer on 26 May, 2011, 10:17:45 PM
Christ.

Law... Gore. Say it. It rhymes!

Not if you pronouce your R's it doesn't.



Fixed that for you.

It took me years to work out Winston's 'More Jaw-jaw less War war' comment only works if you don't pronouce your R's.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: House of Usher on 30 May, 2011, 07:10:17 PM
Worst character in Star Wars, ever.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Hoagy on 30 May, 2011, 07:44:01 PM
The gore? Look at, the gore. The room was covered in gore. And within the gore she saw an eye-sore of an eyeball. 

...Therefore-The Gore. If I want. I can be, "The gore".


I can't possibly be so for from literacy that doesn't sound anything but sense only to me?
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 30 May, 2011, 10:03:01 PM
Prog = rogue. As it is short for programme.

Gore = lore = door = bore = soar. The ryhme element is the word "ore" or "oar".

Law = saw = draw = flaw. The ryhme element sounds like "awe."

"Awe" does not rhyme with "oar".

Anything else is simply mispronouncing the words and claiming that their enunciation is correct. Which it isn't. Same way that the Glaswegian glottal stop means we mispronounce certain words. But at least we don't get snooty about it.

Incidentally, no comment on the meg. Haven't read it for over 18 months now. I have a big pile to read through and no time.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: maryanddavid on 30 May, 2011, 11:29:58 PM
Great Dredd, McCarthy hasent lost it has he? You know how the returning favourite always kind of lets you down? He is great. Story was spot on too, a real throwback to the eighties, stories like the Stupid Gun and Get ugly.
Samizdat Squad is OK, the last run was enjoyable, surprised to see it back so soon, last page reming anyone else of the fury from Capt. Britain?
Cass in a Coma again, where is the Smiths? Reasonably good stuff, Im enjoying these city based crime  Anderson stories a lot more then the Half Life type, which promised so much but just seemed to fizzle out at the end.
Interviews were all good, reviews not read, rarly do.
Numbercruncher, I didnt read last month due to sick children, so ill take the opportunity to read the lot from the beginning over the weekend.
I do find that with the Meg, I dont read it in one go, I usually read it over a couple of days. Its not brilliant, but just about worth the entrance, which is praise.

David
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Trout on 31 May, 2011, 12:02:11 AM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 30 May, 2011, 10:03:01 PM
Prog = rogue. As it is short for programme.

Gore = lore = door = bore = soar. The ryhme element is the word "ore" or "oar".

Law = saw = draw = flaw. The ryhme element sounds like "awe."

"Awe" does not rhyme with "oar".

All of this. But it's no big deal.  :)
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 31 May, 2011, 12:16:30 AM
Quote from: King Trout on 31 May, 2011, 12:02:11 AM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 30 May, 2011, 10:03:01 PM
Prog = rogue. As it is short for programme.

Gore = lore = door = bore = soar. The ryhme element is the word "ore" or "oar".

Law = saw = draw = flaw. The ryhme element sounds like "awe."

"Awe" does not rhyme with "oar".

All of this. But it's no big deal.  :)

Yeah. It's not like we're talking punctuation.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: PreacherCain on 31 May, 2011, 01:44:19 AM
I actually preferred the B&W McCarthy art to the coloured version that someone posted a while ago. I think the colours drown out the linework to a large extent which is a pity.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Definitely Not Mister Pops on 31 May, 2011, 02:58:36 AM
Aye, but dem's purdy colours
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Professor Bear on 31 May, 2011, 02:49:29 PM
Dredd - okay stuff.  The vegetarians line sounded wrong from Dredd, don't give a monkeys if he uses a thought balloon or not, it's news to me that zombieism is a virus and not sporadic re-animations, zombie cure is also news, story seems a bit stretched, otherwise forgettable.  Great art.  Filler, just not good filler.

Samizdat Squad - I'd rather have this in the weekly than here where the month between parts might make it seem aimless.  Nice pictures, good script, unashamedly old-school, like it.  Comes across like Fleisher Rogue Trooper, only done right.

Anderson - old school, but don't like it quite as much because it's old school Anderson, who I don't much care for.  Nice pics.

Numbercruncher - at this stage I can't read it.  Eyes slide off the page.  What I saw of the art as I flicked past it seemed nice.
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: Art on 03 June, 2011, 08:26:44 PM
Matthew Badham has posted some more of that interview with me on his blog, including my pitch for SHAKO 2012:
http://matthewbadham.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/shako-must-die-a-mini-interview-with-arthur-wyatt/
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: In Orbit Every Monday on 11 June, 2011, 05:32:48 PM
Quote from: King Trout on 22 May, 2011, 04:24:23 PM
Also, judges on power boards are officially very cool. Nice work, Alan and Boo!

Indeed. Something I wanted to see happen since Song of the Surfer..

Ol
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: radiator on 22 June, 2011, 06:56:01 PM
I think we see powerboard-riding judges ('The Flying Squad') quite early on - possibly in this story:

A Day at the Block Wars 1 episode (Prog 448) 7 pages

Or perhaps I'm getting muddled and it's jetpacks they have?
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: vzzbux on 22 June, 2011, 08:37:54 PM
Hasn't Dredd, on a number of occasions, used a power board in the past?





V
Title: Re: MEG 311 : HE IS THE GORE!
Post by: James Stacey on 23 June, 2011, 10:48:56 AM
Quote from: vzzbux on 22 June, 2011, 08:37:54 PM
Hasn't Dredd, on a number of occasions, used a power board in the past?


V

Yes but that's different than an actual squad of powerboarding Judges. Dredd has generally only used them when plummeting to certain doom