IMGlobal (http://www.imglobalfilm.com) just revamped their website, and there's a new pic of Urban as Dredd.
(http://www.imglobalfilm.com/uploads/d715817d6a420df867fa44647668aebaafac944c.jpg)
At last a new photo -release the fireworks and free the prisoners !!:D
I think this is another shot from early in the shoot as Karl again has stubble (surely not the look they are going for?)Looks good overall, great helmet design -but it still looks a tad too big for him.Very much a practical, riot officer look to match the gritty realism they are going for methinks.Looking forward to seeing more.
Unlease the hounds!! expect whines, mumps and moans...
Though I can't quite make it out, I think they've gone the right route for the eagle pad with this vision of Dredd.
There have also been positive comments about the cinematography. So I've still got my fingers crossed that this is going to be good.
The armour also looks less bulky.
I like it.
In shock.....after checking this site everyday we finally get a new one.....helmet looks smaller,can't make out the pad much but i don't mind what i'm seeing i suppose......thumbs up from me.
Just switch the lights on next time will ya Mr Photographer.
S'Good. I think this can only be described as a positive development for everything '2000ad' and the house of Tharg.
Sadly bumping up the levels doesn't reveal much more. And I thought I overdid it with the dark :)
I can't quite work out how the eagle goes to be honest.
Liking it!
Ah right, I'm seeing it now - I guess it will work.
Still not sure about the size of the bucket, but I suppose I'll get used to it.
Right lets see how long it takes Sc**o to get photoshop out and show us how it should really look like.
filip
Possibly another early test shot - the helmet looks like a slightly different design to the other photo, eagle pad looks just fine though.
At least it will quell fanboy entitlement rage for a few weeks. ;)
I see a pad... but I don't see an eagle.... Where's the head?
Can someone outline it for all us idiots?
One more inch to the left and I'd be able to decode what I'm looking at!
Best guess is that the pad is much like the other one, but flatter, and what we're seeing is a ruff on the back of the eagle head, and we're looking at the top of the neck and head. The eagle head and beak would be just out of shot, tilted down and turned away. Can't tell if the head and ruff section glides over the base pad, or if it's fixed (most likely).
This image appeared on a poster at the Berlin film festival in February. But it shows even less.
http://www.imglobalfilm.com/events/red-state-screening-berlin-2011
(http://www.imglobalfilm.com/uploads/b8c4c2ecba68dfc38fd55877e71edd7b52cf907c.jpg)
We'll be up to 200 posts within a day :)
Helmet does still look really big, but hard to make out. I'm liking this pic, though.
It looks something like this (but not Leeds... :-\ )
http://www.badgeunion.com/193-246-thickbox/leeds-united-eagle-badge-wb.jpg (http://www.badgeunion.com/193-246-thickbox/leeds-united-eagle-badge-wb.jpg)
It could either be looking straight down or to the side, but it looks like the head is more in the centre of the body, rather than above the wings.
Every inch the biker cop, . . . Dredd transposed from the comic with added realism. Roll on San Diego, hopefully we'll see abit more.
Quote from: CraveNoir on 16 July, 2011, 12:25:34 PM
One more inch to the left and I'd be able to decode what I'm looking at!
ws even less.
http://www.imglobalfilm.com/events/red-state-screening-berlin-2011
(http://www.imglobalfilm.com/uploads/b8c4c2ecba68dfc38fd55877e71edd7b52cf907c.jpg)
Fabulous Wally squad outfits there. Kinda retro. Dreddy looks good!
Just done a rough quick sketch of what i think it looks like,not sure though?
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/eaglepad.jpg)
QuoteWe'll be up to 200 posts within a day
Lol!!! :D
Not sure about that neck thingy at back but it's looking good, all the mention about the cool cinematography is promising.
Ed
A little brighter and you can see a little more detail at front (sorry it's not much of an improvement)
Ed
I like it, I like the first pic too. Looks good.
Nice Sketch Danbo, . . . the visual mystery of the shoulder pad is slowly unfolding. As for the stubble on the promo pictures, if DREDD is holed up dealing with a potential block war will he have time to shave? (boot knife! . . . boot razor!) Read the next installment of Zarjaz and this last comment will make abit more sense.
Cheers ;)
As for the stubble,as long as he starts off clean shaven i can handle a rough chin of justice after he's been holed up fighting all night in a block...more believable.
Personally, I think they've nailed this -dulled/bronzed colour of emblems/dark reds & blacks /helmet contours etc- and I can't see how anyone would prefer the '95 one where nothing really matched, in a wholist design sense, to this:
(http://www.imglobalfilm.com/uploads/d715817d6a420df867fa44647668aebaafac944c.jpg) (http://i2.listal.com/image/41543/600full-judge-dredd-poster.jpg)
Unfortunately this thread has been blighted all ready by a picture of Kevin Smith.
Totally agree.It's much preferred,never thought i would say it because i was a little unsure at first but now i can see the practicality over the pantomime version.Looks ready for (block)war as opposed to being ready for a catwalk.
Both sides looks fine....
(http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=33814.0;attach=6233;image)
Ahhh... I think I see what they are going for. Both shoulder pads are technically the same, it's the part below the pad (the "rerebrace") which has the eagle on one arm, but is blank on the other.
It would be great if we could get a wee bit of feedback from a creator involved (to hint if we are all on the right track with this). I know I'm clutching at straws here! :'(
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 16 July, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
Just done a rough quick sketch of what i think it looks like,not sure though?
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k192/danbo1138/eaglepad.jpg)
Ahh yes... I see it now... the eagle body and head is just out of pic.
Personally I think this looks fantastic... hope more info and pics will now start filtering out. Only 6 months until release. Batman and Spider-Man will both have trailers out soon and they are over a year from release.
A teaser trailer can't be far away.
Quote from: Buddy on 16 July, 2011, 02:45:33 PM
Only 6 months until release.
I'd say it's more like 8 months, around March I imagine.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2011, 02:55:29 PM
Quote from: Buddy on 16 July, 2011, 02:45:33 PM
Only 6 months until release.
I'd say it's more like 8 months, around March I imagine.
Oh right.. I thought I read some where it was slated for early January.
I believe 'twas a forum joke.
Nice pic. Everything looks great (particularly the colours as someone said), certainly when you compare it so that 95 one. You know that derisive snort kind of laugh you do when you see someone looking ridiculous when they think they don't? I did that looking at Stallone there.
Only thing missing is the highlight 'Z' on his right eye :D
gord its good innit? thanks to the sketch i can see what i'm looking at now,nice one very early dredd! :D
just need some confirmation on the merchandise now! ;)
...and on further study, i'm possibly seeing the beak of the eagle just in shot pointing to its left with the bit leading up to the wing with a gapm in it presumably for movements sake and i'm also thinking theyve gone for the helmet badge in front of the eagles body which would stylize it without having to show loads of feathers and feets! wish i had the tech know how to show what i mean :-[
I know what you mean,i thought it looks a bit like an eagles head atop a respirator.
Quote from: mogzilla on 16 July, 2011, 04:15:09 PM
wish i had the tech know how to show what i mean :-[
I believe
Jim Campbell all ready has:
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/Dredd_Eagle.jpg)
http://www.bleedingcool.com/forums/showthread.php?45357-Nice-New-Shot-Of-Karl-Urban-As-Judge-Dredd
thats the fella!
I think that design makes a lot of sense in this world. It took me a while to see it, thinking the eagle was diving downwards rather than face on with the wings either side rather than swept back...*
I'm glad they went for a smooth emblem effect rather than the fully moulded eagle statuette like the comics and the Stallone film. (Say what you like about that film, their eagle had the comic look.) From a practical point of view I could imagine all those jagged bits getting caught on things...
I don't intend that to be detrimental to the comic version. It just seems more suited to a dress uniform for parade.
*although still side by side. I'm sure you get what I mean though.
Now all i need is a nice clear shot of him on his Lawmaster for my laptops wallpaper....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT04RqXrBKY&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT04RqXrBKY&feature=related)
Fucking a-w-e-s-o-m-e.
The uniform looks perfect to me so far. More like the classic Ezquerra design which makes total sense. The helmet's good too but it still looks pretty big from this angle. I'm sure there's a practical reason for that though - it's a biker helmet after all.
Looks good to me. Very early Dredd style, which I prefer, to be honest.
Got a feeling the uniform (and Lawmaster) style will evolve if the planned sequels happen.
My honest gut reaction: the headgear looks too big.
This was my initial thought on seeing the first pic, but I convinced myself that it was the dodgy angle/lighting. You can argue til the cows come home about practicality etc, but if people are already making this observation then IS a valid concern. I'm sure it looks great as a motorcycle helmet, but I worry about how it will look when he's on foot.
I still have faith - the producers are smart people and I'm sure they would have flagged this up if it was a problem on screen.
We'll see when the trailer hits I guess. The uniform overall looks good though and bodes well for the art direction as a whole.
Its probably the reason they've held off on pictures for so long, knowing it looks a bit questionable as a still image and out of context. Anticipating the tirade of bitching that'll come out of the forums.
The uniform certainly has a retro vibe to it .. and Urban makes a very good Dredd - very coool! :P
:thumbsup:
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e286/Judge_Aberg/dredds.jpg)
Quote from: flip-r mk2 on 16 July, 2011, 12:08:52 PM
Right lets see how long it takes Sc**o to get photoshop out and show us how it should really look like.
filip
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/browse_thread/thread/88be9615d8b8fa83?hl=en# (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/browse_thread/thread/88be9615d8b8fa83?hl=en#)
Liking this - whiles its further from the uniform I'd have personally pitched it, it does look very Ezquerra - the collar looks very Carlos - like something out of a Starlord Stront.
Looks great! :D
Reminds me of Roman armor.
A bit.
I thought I'd try and be clever and process the image to try and see some of the hidden detail but they're ahead of the game there the image has had the dark areas blocked in black.
Spot on very happy with it
Karl Urban looks like a youngish Clint Eastwood.
I like the 'Urban Commando' look, very Paramilitary and brutal. With even the USA looking like it might default on it's payments Justice Dept might be coming along sooner than we feared. It all seems to be coming together before my disbelieving eyes!
Roll on the teaser Trailer .
I'm really liking the look of this.
I'm happy as a pig in shit.
Wait what's that noise?
Oh it's CF grinding his teeth and trying to work out how he is going to get his hands on that poster.
V
Quote from: Misanthrope on 16 July, 2011, 07:57:08 PM
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/browse_thread/thread/88be9615d8b8fa83?hl=en# (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/browse_thread/thread/88be9615d8b8fa83?hl=en#)
Wow. Quite a monologue he's got there! Actually quite tame... although I think the comments concerning the smaller pads being 'emasculating' is a bit much.
Looking good.
I'm still waiting for a teaser / trailer before I judge Dredd.
Quote from: Mardroid on 16 July, 2011, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: Misanthrope on 16 July, 2011, 07:57:08 PM
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/browse_thread/thread/88be9615d8b8fa83?hl=en# (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/browse_thread/thread/88be9615d8b8fa83?hl=en#)
Wow. Quite a monologue he's got there! Actually quite tame... although I think the comments concerning the smaller pads being 'emasculating' is a bit much.
What's up with this guy ? He's posting, then replying to his post, then replying to his reply to his own post ! WTF ?!
- C
QuoteWhat's up with this guy ? He's posting, then replying to his post, then replying to his reply to his own post ! WTF ?!
- C
To put it politely, he's a nutjob.
That's our S**JO. A walking Arkham.
Try not to read it, it may suck you in.
V
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 16 July, 2011, 08:49:32 PM
Reminds me of Roman armor.
A bit.
It does have that vibe.
I like it. Though the collar thing does make him look a tad on the scrawny side.
Can't wait for a trailer.
OH BABY!!! I've just logged on and nearly fell off the chair when I saw a new official Dredd photo online- it's awesome looking, and sets the tone of the movie perfectly, that being a darker, grittier, more realistic, but still a stylised futuristic movie. Just when all hope seemed lost, the Dredd team come through in fine style (not to mention the teaser trailer for The Dark Knight Rises being released this Monday online), and I CANNOT WAIT for this movie now, a teaser trailer please in the next month would be appreciated, yes'm...
Tweaked it a little to try and draw a bit more detail out.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/4rrfq9.jpg)
Quote from: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 17 July, 2011, 04:40:41 AM
Tweaked it a little to try and draw a bit more detail out.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/4rrfq9.jpg)
Nice one.
Looks like crap - massive helmet which doesn't look to belong to the uniform, the distinctiveness of the iconic Dredd uniform watered down to sludge. A complete lack of 'Dreddness' from Urban (looks like any bloke down the pub, trying a replica helmet on for a laugh).
thought it would not be long before someone dumped on the phote :(
Quote from: Psidude on 17 July, 2011, 09:35:34 AM
thought it would not be long before someone dumped on the phote :(
One in five pages? Not too bad, I thought!
1 in 65 posts - good odds!
Quote from: John Caliber on 17 July, 2011, 07:48:17 AM
Looks like crap - massive helmet which doesn't look to belong to the uniform, the distinctiveness of the iconic Dredd uniform watered down to sludge. A complete lack of 'Dreddness' from Urban (looks like any bloke down the pub, trying a replica helmet on for a laugh).
Compare this to the 95 version which kept much closer to the comic version this is definately a big improvement.The 95 version looked striking in some ways but very impractical (do you remember the massive guns everyone seemed to be carrying -a little compensating by someone perhaps - they looked ludicrous as did ,shall we say, certain parts of the uniform). Agreed the helmet is a tad too big ,but it is without question a far more faithful version than the previous movie- other essential uniform elements are also still there -the pads, the eagle , the utility belt ,the badge , the lawgiver so not much to complain about really is there?.
You argue they have been distilled too much,BUT this movie is being given a real world context so must fit into that environment- this is not Flash Gordon.The first movie (hopefully more to come) gives me the distinct impression that this is set very early on in the Judges history so they would be wearing a basic uniform anyway.
As for Urban not being 'Dredd' enough ,this is just a still -watch Red a couple of times that will change your mind. :thumbsup:
Is there supposed to be something happening at Comic-Con or am I remembering incorrectly?
Oops. Should've check the thread below this. :-[
And I can't edit!
Not bad....
He's a motorbike cop , so the armour does work well in this respect:
Neck Brace:
(http://c-x-s.co.uk/zen/images/neckBrace/NeckBrace_Leat_GPXclub.jpg)
Body armour:
(http://cdn2.iofferphoto.com/img3/item/211/221/152/fox-racing-motorcycle-armor-full-body-jacket-clothing-81824.jpg)
Helmet is nice but Ill wait to see the film before deciding if it really is too big.
(For instance, comparing the two press photos that are out, the helmet sits much lower on Dredd's head than in this new one, where you can see his nose.)
Only thing I think that's a shame- the picture wasn't given to 2000 AD to formally release. At least they would have given it a fan fare instead of someone tucking it away on a website ;-)
Nice insights and pic's Teivion. This seems to mirror Dredds armour in the picture exactly. Looks like the biker cop theme rather than the para military look is being used. Who knows they may merge both of these looks up to create an interesting hybrid mix?
I really like it, looks well moody.
Although I seem to recall when the first picture showing the helmet came out and people moaned that it was too big, quite a few other people starting quacking on about lighting and angles and all sorts of absurd shit to try and explain why it wasn't too big really.
It's too big. Really.
Know what I like? It's recognisably Dredd, while still being it's own quite neat design, and it's not embarrassing to be associated with (as a Dredd fan). I think that's a lot more than I could have hoped for.
Nice interpretive work by Danbo and Jim.
It does sit high on his nut. I suppose it's because it's a real functional helmet for practical everyday use. My cycle helmet fits like this unfortunately. It looks like it's floating on top of my head due to the padding inside. I've tried a few sizes a makes, but can never get the snug fit that looks cool :(
It's big cos Urban has a big, wide noggin.
Checking the news on a few other sites it looks like the general consensus is the uniform is well designed but helmet does seem quite big.
It'll be interesting to see the first trailer.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2011, 02:07:37 PM
It's big cos Urban has a big, wide noggin.
...Just like mine, but he's a chisel chinned hunk with it.
I can't quite decide on the helmet. In the two pictures we've seen it does look a bit on the large size, but quite a few artists draw Dredd with a wider helmet.
I'd have to see it in motion in the film. I'm sure it must be something they've considered.
The helmet is Dredd's face, I'm not really bothered about the real world practicalities of it, most of the iconic helmets and masks in films are an nightmare to wear and wouldn't work in the real world. A part from 'possibly' the size, I think this helmet looks like Dredd.
I can see why they've gone more recognisably real world on the armour. It will help viewers not familiar with Dredd to get past the costume and concentrate on the story more.
From what I remember of the photos from the guy who made it, there's a lot more padding on the interior than the comic version, I'm guessing that is getting lost in the black, so although it's going to look big, it may make more sense if you can see something between the helmet and the actor.
Quote from: Cyclopz on 17 July, 2011, 02:16:51 PM
Checking the news on a few other sites it looks like the general consensus is the uniform is well designed but helmet does seem quite big.
I've been trolling Google news myself and every so often you'll see something truly bizarre...
QuoteKarl Urban? No!! I had no idea they were remaking this. I would venture to guess this is going to be even more ridiculous than the original, but at least the original had Stallone. Pass.
http://www.movieweb.com/news/dredd-photo-finds-karl-urban-in-full-costume
QuoteI've been trolling Google news myself and every so often you'll see something truly bizarre...
QuoteKarl Urban? No!! I had no idea they were remaking this. I would venture to guess this is going to be even more ridiculous than the original, but at least the original had Stallone. Pass.
http://www.movieweb.com/news/dredd-photo-finds-karl-urban-in-full-costume
He's probably American.
ISTR that the folk from 2000ad that visited the set (can't remember who exactly) said a while ago that the uniform definitely doesn't look oversized or out of proportion when you're standing next to him in real life, so that gives me a little hope.
Quote from: radiator on 17 July, 2011, 06:14:56 PM
ISTR that the folk from 2000ad that visited the set (can't remember who exactly) said a while ago that the uniform definitely doesn't look oversized or out of proportion when you're standing next to him in real life, so that gives me a little hope.
Well they do say a photo can add ten pounds.. :DFingers crossed your right
Quote from: Cyclopz on 17 July, 2011, 05:22:22 PM
QuoteI've been trolling Google news myself and every so often you'll see something truly bizarre...
QuoteKarl Urban? No!! I had no idea they were remaking this. I would venture to guess this is going to be even more ridiculous than the original, but at least the original had Stallone. Pass.
http://www.movieweb.com/news/dredd-photo-finds-karl-urban-in-full-costume
He's probably American.
I knew giving them internet would come back to haunt us.
Must be said, I'm not impressed. I can see where the concept for the uniform comes from (and I'm sure it will look cool) but the helmet looks too big in these photos*.
And I like Urban but from these two pictures, he's missing a snarl and a grimace that would sell it to me. And the stubble is more than an overnighter.
Still a lot of things to happen between now and release so still looking forward to it with fingers crossed.
(Trying to recall if the lawmaster pick fatty had a helmet on and whether that looked big.)
If you spend most of you working life with a bucket on your head you want it comfortable. A snug fit means space for your head. You start getting blows to the head and the helmet is tight and looks right for picture you are going to get serious damage not having extra impact movement.
Trust me on this, the army bucket didn't look sleek and photogenic but did the job.
Think practicality.
(http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/08D99696-0ADF-45E0-AC0C-9D917FFF743B/0/CAXFWO7V.jpg)
V
But, I suppose, my argument would be that we don't have to think practically. It's a film. Practicality shouldn't be the first consideration.
And it is set in the future. So he could have micro-absorbo gel and shockproof kevlartium in a smaller, cooler looking helmet and his head would be protected as well as if he was wearing a very realistic but not quite so cool looking helmet.
But one man's cool is another man's impractical. No point me trying to argue everybody into agreeing it looks too big, these are just opinions after all.
Colours are bang on though. And like I say, still looking forward to it.
You boys are never going to get that barbecue lit.
All I am saying is if you see a slight negative try to turn it into a positive then its thumbs up all round.
V
Unless you are doing electrical wiring.
I don't think there's that much 'real world' influence in this current Dredd at all, apart from some protective chest/neck pads, he's just less bulky, less constricted but he's essebtially the same. It's still baroque and ornate with the 'bronzed' decorative pads and shields. Dredd never really looked particularly futuristic, he looked 'official', separate, part of a tradition, it's what made him stand out amongst the futuristic mega-citizens. If anything the Stallone '95 design tried to make him look futuristic in an all ready dated 70's/80's way, blocks of gold plastic, lycra-catsuit, paved codpieces, an angular form-fitting helmet. The result was all sorts of wrong.
The Urban Dredd looks like he deals with life on the streets every day whereas the Stallone Dredd is more suited to dressage and Studio 54 at the weekends.
I think Stallones version of Judge Dredd was Produced by some Fashion designer and consequently didn't really fit the look of a street hardened Judge. I wonder why after Demolition man Stallone wanted to do Judge Dredd? Was it the same company that Produced D.M did J.D?
Well I'm still looking forward to DREDD. The helmet curfuffle is of no interest to me. I want to see the whole shabang now. Dredd blazing lead, jacketed, death at all and sundry!
I've always doubted Versace's actual work/influence on the uniform, I've seen original sketches of his early Dredd concepts -in the Art of Judge Dredd- and they bear no relation to what ended up on-screen. He may have loaned his name while a team of other creatives including Chris Cunningham did the real work.
His main contribution is likely the cod-piece.
This is how Versace saw Judge Dredd.
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y347/rattyangel/versacedredd.jpg)
I know there will be moans all around, but it really looks like the best possible way to translate the costume to the screen without making it look fucking well hokey.
Well that looks damn good to me. As several people have already said I'm liking the more urban riot Judge armour/biker protection look of the whole thing. And while the helmet does seem a tad large in the stills I'm not going to judge it until I've seen footage of Urban actually moving in the thing. Thanks to DanboJohn and Joe Soap for the little diagrams of the eagle pad, they make what I'm seeing much more clear. Can we have a trailer now please?
I just had a thought whilst looking at the new pic, do you think it's from an actual scene in the movie or just a standard publicity shot? I'll tell you why I asked, because it occurred to me that the pic could be from a scene early in the film [spoiler]when Dredd is called back to Justice Department, and he and the Chief Judge question Anderson through a one-way mirror in an observation room[/spoiler]- the pic is very low lit and the walls behind Dredd look very clean and sterile, not at all like the residential block. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter, the pic is cool, the script is great, and I'm stoked about this movie, let's consign the Stallone debacle to the ash-heap of history once and for all (unless Buena Vista allow Danny Cannon to release his director's cut on DVD/Blu Ray)...
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 18 July, 2011, 02:43:10 AM
I just had a thought whilst looking at the new pic, do you think it's from an actual scene in the movie or just a standard publicity shot? I'll tell you why I asked, because it occurred to me that the pic could be from a scene early in the film [spoiler]when Dredd is called back to Justice Department, and he and the Chief Judge question Anderson through a one-way mirror in an observation room[/spoiler]- the pic is very low lit and the walls behind Dredd look very clean and sterile, not at all like the residential block. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter, the pic is cool, the script is great, and I'm stoked about this movie, let's consign the Stallone debacle to the ash-heap of history once and for all (unless Buena Vista allow Danny Cannon to release his director's cut on DVD/Blu Ray)...
Yep, was thinking the very same thing.
As for a director's cut, I'm not particularly hopeful it's going to do much to paint a different picture. Say what you want about Stallone but he's got some very humorous anecdotes regarding the shooting of the movie and dealing with Cannon in particular.
For example:
"I think, from what I recall, the whole project was troubled from the beginning. The philosophy of the film was not set in stone – by that I mean "Is this going to be a serious drama or with comic overtones" like other science fiction films that were successful? So a lotta pieces just didn't fit smoothly. It was sort of like a feathered fish. Some of the design work on it was fantastic and the sets were incredibly real, even standing two feet away, but there was just no communication.
I knew we were in for a long shoot when, for no explainable reason Danny Cannon, who's rather diminutive, jumped down from his director's chair and yelled to everyone within earshot, "FEAR me! Everyone should FEAR me!" then jumped back up to his chair as if nothing happened. The British crew was taking bets on his life expectancy."
You're probably right blackmocco dude, but Stallone should stop blaming everyone else for that movie's failure, he played a large part in it's ultimate failings by effectively seizing control of the project and demanding script changes/reshoots/editing cuts- or so I heard- although maybe Cannon was way too young, inexperienced, and without any creative/commercial clout to handle such a massive project at that time, but it would be interesting to see what his vison would've looked like onscreen, no matter, where'd you get the above Stallone quote from, by the way...?
I will say one thing,Dredds motorbike helmet is a damn sight smaller than mine. :)
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 18 July, 2011, 04:45:14 AM
where'd you get the above Stallone quote from, by the way...?
Found it here - nothing more on JD though.
http://www.jonathancrocker.com/2010/08/16/talking-movies-sly-stallone/
More of the interview at Aint it Cool:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30861
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 18 July, 2011, 04:45:14 AM
You're probably right blackmocco dude, but Stallone should stop blaming everyone else for that movie's failure, he played a large part in it's ultimate failings by effectively seizing control of the project and demanding script changes/reshoots/editing cuts- or so I heard- although maybe Cannon was way too young, inexperienced, and without any creative/commercial clout to handle such a massive project at that time, but it would be interesting to see what his vison would've looked like onscreen, no matter, where'd you get the above Stallone quote from, by the way...?
Originally from aintitcoolnews.com when they had a bunch of sent-in reader questions for Stallone.
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 18 July, 2011, 02:43:10 AM
do you think its from an actual scene in the movie or just a standard publicity shot?
Publicity shot. Mainly because it looks like one, but also I'm pretty sure the light shape at bottom left is the gun's LCD which means it's pointing just off to the left, and his expression and pose don't suggest any threat.
it was on Empireonline;
We'll say this about the new Judge Dredd – he clearly doesn't like to spend a lot of money on lighting. Okay, we realise Lionsgate is going for moody and stylish, with the added bonus of hiding elements of the costume until they're ready for the big reveal, but the new official image of Karl Urban as Mega City One's tough-as-nail's lawman doesn't exactly give you the clearest look at him.
To see the pic full size at Latino Review, click the image above.
Still, it's a new picture and it's good to see that Urban certainly seems to have the Dredd visual down – despite the helmet still appearing to be a little big for his noggin.
In case you weren't aware, this new Dredd adapts the 2,000 AD comic into the tale of the judges who patrol the streets of the aforementioned city, one of the few remaining bastions of civilization on Cursed Earth. Well, we say civilization, but crime is rampant and terror is around every corner. In order to combat it properly, the judges have full authority to execute wrongdoers.
The film will see Dredd and new recruit Anderson (Olivia Thirlby) getting trapped in one of the city's more scum and/or villainy-infested blocks as a siege takes place. Pete Travis is behind the camera, and Lena Headey, Domhnall Gleeson and Langley Kirkwood are also in the cast.
Dredd is reportedly set to hit our screens this December.
So it's December??
and now on TotalFilm,
A new shot of Karl Urban as bad-ass law enforcer Judge Dredd has been revealed online.
The first image of Urban suited and booted appeared online last November, and this second image confirms the campy frills of Sly Stallone's 1995 Dredd are well and truly dead.
Directed by Pete Travis and co-starring Olivia Thirlby and Lena Headey, this new adaptation of the comic has Dredd attempting to control the feral streets of Mega City One.
And Urban looks suitably sinister as the no-nonsense Street Judge, with his Dredd promising to be a darker, neo-noir vehicle that is truer to the original comic.
Read more: Another new shot of Karl Urban as Judge Dredd online | TotalFilm.com
Interesting!
Ha!
Comedy writer Graham Linehan just Tweeted this:
QuoteWRONG. Judge Dredd would not have facial hair; he bullied a fellow judge TO DEATH for having facial hair.
Presumably he means Lopez?
I'd say so, and Joe himself has come to regret that situation...
Just checked back at the facebook Q&A John Wagner did last year - he says that the movie Dredd will have "no facial hair, just some tough bristle".
Hmm. I suppose that could work. I'm much more concerned about the size of his noggin, though - if an image of your movie's hero is met on several sites with derisive laughter and comparisons to Spaceballs' Dark Helmet... :|
Wouldn't worry about it, Radiator. Nothing better than a bunch of armchair critics and their opinions. Personally speaking, I'd probably have made the helmet a little tighter as well but not by much. It's not so big it bothers me. Reminds me of John Burns' take on the helmet which I love. (Think he's one of the rare Dredd artists who understands there has to be an actual human head in the helmet somewhere...)
Soon as Urban's running around blowing heads off, no-one's going to give two shits about whether it looks too big or not...
Bloody nora.. You get distracted for a few days and look what happens..
Glad to hear the positive responses..
Didn't Cam Kennedy draw Dredd with some chin whiskers anyway? Hardly a major issue as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 18 July, 2011, 04:19:51 PM
Hardly a major issue as far as I'm concerned.
It's a deal breaker and you know it :D
I realy like the look,plus as we all know theres more to Joe then just his helmet.Blackmocco is right its all down to how Karl urban plays him,he is a fan of 2000ad so iam confident he will do Dredd Mega city justice :)
And look, let's face it, the Stallone one always looked like it was made of cheap plastic anyway.
QuoteIf you spend most of you working life with a bucket on your head you want it comfortable. A snug fit means space for your head. You start getting blows to the head and the helmet is tight and looks right for picture you are going to get serious damage not having extra impact movement.
Trust me on this, the army bucket didn't look sleek and photogenic but did the job.
Think practicality.
It's a
film.
Quoterealy like the look,plus as we all know theres more to Joe then just his helmet.
Everything they get right about this production (and believe me, I'm really pleased about everything I've heard so far from the casting to the cinematography) will count for nothing if Dredd himself looks in any way silly or ridiculous in the costume. I really hope I'll be proved wrong, but we've seen two official shots now and both times the very first thing that popped into my head was "That helmet looks a bit big for him...".
Michaelvk was he not specially measured for the helmet or was he just given one off the assembly line? Also, surely you saw him in it, how did it look?
There are a lot of smart people on this film ,so if it was significant problem I would have thought it would have been spotted and corrected...
As far as I remember there were only 2 sizes. His and Hers.. (large and small)..
By the way, everyone in the office had a go at wearing the helmet.. It's not so bad in real life.
we have been waiting for a true telling of judge dredd in a gritty film forever ,then when we get one,some people are more bothered about what dredds headwear looks like! i dont think you can judge how the helmet will look on film ,on just some dark pics!
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 July, 2011, 06:35:28 PM
As far as I remember there were only 2 sizes. His and Hers.. (large and small)..
By the way, everyone in the office had a go at wearing the helmet.. It's not so bad in real life.
No ,the helmet looks great it's just the size.Very surprised he wasn't specially measured ,I have two brothers and our head sizes are all very different.Given it's the central iconic image of the entire film I am baffled why he didn't have one specially sculpted just for him...
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 18 July, 2011, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: radiator on 18 July, 2011, 02:40:34 PM
Ha!
Comedy writer Graham Linehan just Tweeted this:
QuoteWRONG. Judge Dredd would not have facial hair; he bullied a fellow judge TO DEATH for having facial hair.
Presumably he means Lopez?
I'd say so, and Joe himself has come to regret that situation...
That might explain why Judge Morph's lip tickler received no comment from Dredd.
Tight boots, my arse. Necropolis was but a small price lest Dredd should grow his own muzzy and start spelling his name with a 'y'.
THe missus is heavily into CSI Las Vegas and I have just peeked through and noticed in the Title credits 'Directed By Danny Cannon'.
Is this the one and the same from the 95 mess? If so he ain't done too badly then.
V
Quote from: vzzbux on 18 July, 2011, 09:10:26 PM
THe missus is heavily into CSI Las Vegas and I have just peeked through and noticed in the Title credits 'Directed By Danny Cannon'.
Is this the one and the same from the 95 mess? If so he ain't done too badly then.
V
Yup- he was co-creator of the franchise, so I suspect he does not give a fuck what any of us thinks about the Dredd movie!
He's been directing it for years...after he split up with Diane Lane of course.
QuoteDanny Cannon dated Diane Lane in the past, but they broke up in 1996. Danny Cannon dated Diane Lane for 2 years. Danny Cannon is currently available.
Danny Cannon is currently single. He has been in one celebrity relationship averaging approximately 2.0 years. He has never been married.
http://www.famoushookups.com/site/relationship_detail.php?name=Danny-Cannon&relid=7074&celebid=8599
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 18 July, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
He's been directing it for years...after he split up with Diane Lane of course.
QuoteDanny Cannon dated Diane Lane in the past, but they broke up in 1996. Danny Cannon dated Diane Lane for 2 years. Danny Cannon is currently available.
Danny Cannon is currently single. He has been in one celebrity relationship averaging approximately 2.0 years. He has never been married.
http://www.famoushookups.com/site/relationship_detail.php?name=Danny-Cannon&relid=7074&celebid=8599
What is amazing is that he was still going out with Diane Lane for a year after the release of Judge-not-quite-Dredd.
Wonder if he got her to wear the uniform at home...?
Quote from: Angry Vince on 18 July, 2011, 11:32:11 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 18 July, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
He's been directing it for years...after he split up with Diane Lane of course.
QuoteDanny Cannon dated Diane Lane in the past, but they broke up in 1996. Danny Cannon dated Diane Lane for 2 years. Danny Cannon is currently available.
Danny Cannon is currently single. He has been in one celebrity relationship averaging approximately 2.0 years. He has never been married.
http://www.famoushookups.com/site/relationship_detail.php?name=Danny-Cannon&relid=7074&celebid=8599
What is amazing is that he was still going out with Diane Lane for a year after the release of Judge-not-quite-Dredd.
Wonder if he got her to wear the uniform at home...?
Is this thread beginning to show signs of eating itself like all the other ones?
QuoteIs this thread beginning to show signs of eating itself like all the other ones?
No.
Now, have I told you about my collection of invisible Giraffes?
We were still on-topic till somebody mentioned giraffes.
On topic: They're not invisible, they're Gila Munjiraffes.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 July, 2011, 01:05:41 AM
We were still on-topic till somebody mentioned giraffes.
I'll get me coat
I don't know what you lot are going on about with all this bollocks about the helmet looking too big. Here's a shot of one of the other Judges in the film and it looks the same size on him ;)
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/2000ad%20Sites/IMAG0313.jpg)
P.S. Yes that Judge behind him has got skeleton legs :o
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 July, 2011, 01:37:13 AM
I don't know what you lot are going on about with all this bollocks about the helmet looking too big. Here's a shot of one of the other Judges in the film and it looks the same size on him ;)
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/2000ad%20Sites/IMAG0313.jpg)
P.S. Yes that Judge behind him has got skeleton legs :o
Stay on topic, CF. We were discussing the love life of the director of the first Judge Dredd film.
Quote from: Misanthrope on 19 July, 2011, 02:43:12 AM
Stay on topic, CF. We were discussing the love life of the director of the first Judge Dredd film.
I'm sure we're still on topic - Diane Lane did describe Danny Cannon as a small boy with a big hel... <Whack!>
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 19 July, 2011, 01:37:13 AM
I don't know what you lot are going on about with all this bollocks about the helmet looking too big. Here's a shot of one of the other Judges in the film and it looks the same size on him ;)
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/commandoforces/2000ad%20Sites/IMAG0313.jpg)
P.S. Yes that Judge behind him has got skeleton legs :o
DEATH? Slightly lower budget than i twas expecting but still,pummped .
It may be uncool to say so but I felt sorry for Danny Cannon, he must have felt like the jammiest dude in moviedom when he was the one signed to direct the Judge Dredd movie, only to have egomaniacal stars (we're looking at you, Mr Stallone) and hack screenwriters (Steven E. DeSouza) pretty much destroy your original vision of the piece to the point where it is "completely different"- Cannon's own words- from what the original intent was, regardless of whether Cannon's 'futuristic Roman epic' pitch was appropriate for a JD movie or not. They should have cast Timothy Dalton in the lead role, shot it in Mexico (the huge studio where Dune and Total Recall were filmed) to keep the budget at a more reasonable $50-$60m range, gotten John Wagner and Alan Grant to do the screenplay (or at least give it a final polish), and released it that December instead of the overcrowded summer. It may have been sixteen years ago, but I still can't get that damn movie out of my system for some reason, even in spite of it's very considerable shortcomings...
QuoteThey should have cast Timothy Dalton in the lead role
Hahahahahahahaaaaa!
What? You're serious? Let me laugh even harder then.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
Mid-'90s? Sci-fi? Action hero-style actor? Bruce Willis could have done a better job. Mind you, he was around the time busy in decent films like 12 Monkeys and the very 2000 AD/Moebius Fifth Element.
Laugh all you want Richmond, but Dalton has a cold and ruthless intensity that would've been perfect for Dredd (not to mention the perfect height at 6ft 2in), he would have adapted his character to fit the role, not brought one of his other roles to fit the Dredd character, that's what actors do, and I stand by my choice of Dalton- don't forget how people derided the casting of Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman or Daniel Craig as James Bond, and both those actors are the definitive portrayals of their characters now... even Karl Urban's casting as Dredd was certainly a surprising choice, and I believe he'll make that his own too!
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 19 July, 2011, 10:15:59 AM...the casting of Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman or Daniel Craig as James Bond, and both those actors are the definitive portrayals of their characters now...
No love for Adam West, Sean Connery or Roger Moore? I'd offer good money that those are the 'definitive portrayals' in most people's minds. Could the man on the street even tell you who played Batman in the Burton version?
Forget Dalton, can we get back to the far more important issue of how lovely Diane Lane is please? Ta.
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 19 July, 2011, 10:15:59 AM
Laugh all you want Richmond, but Dalton has a cold and ruthless intensity that would've been perfect for Dredd (not to mention the perfect height at 6ft 2in), he would have adapted his character to fit the role, not brought one of his other roles to fit the Dredd character, that's what actors do, and I stand by my choice of Dalton- don't forget how people derided the casting of Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman or Daniel Craig as James Bond, and both those actors are the definitive portrayals of their characters now... even Karl Urban's casting as Dredd was certainly a surprising choice, and I believe he'll make that his own too!
Daniel Craig as definitive Bond: Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Michael Keaton as definitive Batman: Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Dalton as Dredd: Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha x a million
Quote from: Cyclopz on 19 July, 2011, 12:40:32 AM
Quote from: Angry Vince on 18 July, 2011, 11:32:11 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 18 July, 2011, 09:26:48 PM
He's been directing it for years...after he split up with Diane Lane of course.
QuoteDanny Cannon dated Diane Lane in the past, but they broke up in 1996. Danny Cannon dated Diane Lane for 2 years. Danny Cannon is currently available.
Danny Cannon is currently single. He has been in one celebrity relationship averaging approximately 2.0 years. He has never been married.
http://www.famoushookups.com/site/relationship_detail.php?name=Danny-Cannon&relid=7074&celebid=8599
What is amazing is that he was still going out with Diane Lane for a year after the release of Judge-not-quite-Dredd.
Wonder if he got her to wear the uniform at home...?
Is this thread beginning to show signs of eating itself like all the other ones?
Yup, I think we're down to the tail now.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 18 July, 2011, 04:19:51 PM
Didn't Cam Kennedy draw Dredd with some chin whiskers anyway? Hardly a major issue as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, I think Cam often made Dredd look a bit bristly...
(http://i.imgur.com/vjPiq.jpg)
As for the new pic, I see nothing I don't like. Helmet design in Dredd has always been a broad church - the styles put forward in the past from the likes of Bolland to McMahon to McCarthy alone leave a
lot of room to maneuver...
Anyway, with just a few sneaky preview / unofficial shots to go on, I'm satisfied that it'll tick a lot of the right boxes and the bottom line is
We're Getting A New Dredd Film. In itself, that's bloody fantastic!
:)
Quote from: man1 on 19 July, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
Clint Eastwood was the man to play Judge Dredd.... with revised uniform - eagle emblem on front of shoulder pad:
Looks like
Scojo's back.
That's what I was about to say. Also, that eagle on the shoulder pad looks ridiculous.
The new picture of Urban looks very good, I've got good feelings on this.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 19 July, 2011, 09:50:20 AM
Mid-'90s? Sci-fi? Action hero-style actor? Bruce Willis could have done a better job. Mind you, he was around the time busy in decent films like 12 Monkeys and the very 2000 AD/Moebius Fifth Element.
Fifth Element, a decent film, and in the same sentence as 12 Monkeys? Lance Henriksen was the man for 90's Dredd.
I thought it might be a tribute band.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 July, 2011, 12:15:10 PMFifth Element, a decent film, and in the same sentence as 12 Monkeys?
I watched it while on holiday a few weeks ago. I still think it's a lot of fun.
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 19 July, 2011, 10:15:59 AM
Laugh all you want Richmond, but Dalton has a cold and ruthless intensity that would've been perfect for Dredd (not to mention the perfect height at 6ft 2in), he would have adapted his character to fit the role, not brought one of his other roles to fit the Dredd character, that's what actors do, and I stand by my choice of Dalton- don't forget how people derided the casting of Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman or Daniel Craig as James Bond, and both those actors are the definitive portrayals of their characters now... even Karl Urban's casting as Dredd was certainly a surprising choice, and I believe he'll make that his own too!
Oh god. Keaton was a terrible choice then and is just embarrassing to watch now as Batman. Definitive, my arse. Glad I don't live on your planet Beaky. Can Dalton even do an American accent...?
Personally I always liked the idea of Nick Nolte as Dredd from the 80's. Extreme Prejudice. 'Nuff said.
With the helmet thing, is it a case of proportions? The protective collar makes the neck look smaller to me. I'm also getting the impression the shoulder pads slope. As a result the area between said 'big helmet' and wide protective collar create a feeling of unusual proportions. The helmet seems to sit higher up on the head due to padding on the inside too.
Bruce campbell,would have been a perfect 80s Dredd he has the chin :) for me Cristian Bale is the best Batman just for the silly Growl!
Quote from: James Stacey on 18 July, 2011, 04:27:47 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 18 July, 2011, 04:19:51 PM
Hardly a major issue as far as I'm concerned.
It's a deal breaker and you know it :D
Shit! What am I saying?! Of course you're right James! What was I thinking of? :D
Urban's a witch! Burn him!
Quote from: ming on 19 July, 2011, 12:07:08 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 18 July, 2011, 04:19:51 PM
Didn't Cam Kennedy draw Dredd with some chin whiskers anyway? Hardly a major issue as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, I think Cam often made Dredd look a bit bristly...
(http://i.imgur.com/vjPiq.jpg)
As for the new pic, I see nothing I don't like. Helmet design in Dredd has always been a broad church - the styles put forward in the past from the likes of Bolland to McMahon to McCarthy alone leave a lot of room to maneuver...
Anyway, with just a few sneaky preview / unofficial shots to go on, I'm satisfied that it'll tick a lot of the right boxes and the bottom line is We're Getting A New Dredd Film. In itself, that's bloody fantastic!
:)
......ah thanks Ming!
There's the proof! :)
That helmet looks a bit big... :)
lot of talk about how big this mans helmet is,sounds gay! ;)
Ah yes , but Dalton can say ' Freeze , you bloody bastards ' as he encounters some perps!
How will he find time what with his other duties like the neighbourhood watch and managing the local supermarche?
Multi-task.
With an evening spare it seemed worth a punt:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s400/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s1600/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s1600/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg)
Ol
Nice. :cool:
I prefer the first pic, but hey new pics are always nice to see. Now what we really need to see is some Anderson. :D
Anyone else finding all this preoccupation with the size of Dredd's helmet a touch homo-erotic? :P
I respectfully disagree blackmocco dude, I personally think Michael Keaton is still the definitive portrayal of Batman to date- taking nothing away from Christian Bale, who comes in a close second- he accurately captured Wayne's personal eccentricity as well as giving the Batman persona a good go, but I respect your opinion- you pays yer money, you takes yer choice, horses for courses (and all that gibberish)!
I still stand by Dalton, but I fully concede I could be wrong on that one (not living on any other planet, blackmocco dude :), just a personal viewpoint), but I thnk I'll opt out of the 'what-the-1995-movie-coulda-been' discussion now, the new movie is just too damn exciting to worry about the last debacle, which (despite me bringing it back up, I admit it) really should be left in the bargain bin where it belongs...
That's a mighty fine sketch, uh, In Orbit Every Monday, does the eagle shoulder pad REALLY look like that, though...?
Quote from: In Orbit Every Monday on 20 July, 2011, 01:42:50 AM
With an evening spare it seemed worth a punt:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s400/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s1600/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s1600/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg)
Ol
This Eagle Pad is awesome. It's actually cooler than what I thought they were doing (and that wasn't bad either). Very into the Military / Motorsports look as well. The helmet - Urban had to wear it for the
entire movie - I'm sure comfort was concern number one. Plus, it looks markedly different from the Stallone film - which is definitely important to the box office. Bottom line - it's a heavily modified motorcycle helmet for a futuristic motorcycle cop - it makes sense.
Great drawing,the pad looks great.
Quote from: In Orbit Every Monday on 20 July, 2011, 01:42:50 AM
With an evening spare it seemed worth a punt:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s400/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s1600/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s1600/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg)
Ol
Really liking this illustration - the accuracy on the eagle makes me wonder if you have some inside information.
Where did that illustration come from?
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 19 July, 2011, 10:15:59 AM
Laugh all you want Richmond, but Dalton has a cold and ruthless intensity that would've been perfect for Dredd (not to mention the perfect height at 6ft 2in), he would have adapted his character to fit the role, not brought one of his other roles to fit the Dredd character, that's what actors do, and I stand by my choice of Dalton- don't forget how people derided the casting of Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne/Batman or Daniel Craig as James Bond, and both those actors are the definitive portrayals of their characters now... even Karl Urban's casting as Dredd was certainly a surprising choice, and I believe he'll make that his own too!
I think Fred Dryer would have been the perfect 90s Dredd. 6 foot 5 and got a good chin and being relatively obscure wold not have demanded the 'star' treatment.
As he is today he would make a good older Dredd as well.
http://hornpmshow.blogspot.com/2011/07/76-fred-dryer-and-michael-horn.html
He is sort of Clint Eastwood looking...
That's really nice, Ol!
Bravo IOEM, that's great - if the real thing is even half that cool I'll be a happy squaxx.
Best of all is the way that the shield on the eagle pad makes sense of the (presumably non-functional in the film) respirator design - ties the elements of the uniform together.
And Keaton really isn't the definitive Batman. He's as forgettable as Kilmer and Clooney to me. Horribly miscast, IMO.
QuoteAnyone else finding all this preoccupation with the size of Dredd's helmet a touch homo-erotic?
No, not really, though you are about the millionth person to make that
hilarious observation. We're discussing the helmet on his head, not his cock - can we all get over that now? Does anyone - ever - actually used the word 'helmet' in that context anyway?
I honestly couldn't disagree with you more about Keaton, Matt, he just personified that character for a whole new generation that is still to be surpassed, IMHO, but IT IS JUST THAT- my opinon, and I have no problem if other people see it differently! I will state one thing, though, on Kilmer and Clooney, you and I are very much on the same page, they were simply terrible and utterly miscast- Kilmer just phoned it in whilst Clooney quite literally sleepwalked through it, owing to filming E.R. and Batman & Robin on a virtual 24/7 schedule! Just out of interest, who do you think nailed the Batman role thus far, and why (and for heaven's sake, don't say Adam West or we're going to a full-on Block War, and no mistake)...?
Quote from: radiator on 20 July, 2011, 09:20:01 AM
Does anyone - ever - actually used the word 'helmet' in that context anyway?
Well, yes, notwithstanding tired gay jokes.
Sorry, Beaky, I'm afraid I can't come out to play today.
Hello Scojo.
:o
Quote from: suninsky on 20 July, 2011, 01:55:46 PM
...but perhaps in the future the fans should not be so narrow-minded and have a bit more respect for the efforts of others.
Fixed that for you.
Okay, that's enough for me.
Dispensing swift and brutal justice - that's how we like our mods, irrespective of helmet size.
Quote from: TordelBack on 20 July, 2011, 02:09:59 PM
Dispensing swift and brutal justice - that's how we like our mods, irrespective of helmet size.
Crawler.
Yessir, sorry sir, won't happen again sir.
bah did I miss another incursion ? Was it fun ?
Doesn't give up, does he? Jesus H. Haha! I'm not long on these forums and he's already the stuff of legend...
Quote from: James Stacey on 20 July, 2011, 02:32:25 PM
bah did I miss another incursion ? Was it fun ?
Nah, it was a pointless diatribe about the uniform not matching the comic...
It did bring IOEM's lovely illustration to my attention though, so not all bad :-)
Quote from: malkymac on 20 July, 2011, 08:08:20 AM
Quote from: In Orbit Every Monday on 20 July, 2011, 01:42:50 AM
With an evening spare it seemed worth a punt:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s400/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s1600/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s1600/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg)
Ol
Really liking this illustration - the accuracy on the eagle makes me wonder if you have some inside information.
OUTSTANDING!
Quote from: Psidude on 20 July, 2011, 06:06:33 PM
Quote from: malkymac on 20 July, 2011, 08:08:20 AM
Quote from: In Orbit Every Monday on 20 July, 2011, 01:42:50 AM
With an evening spare it seemed worth a punt:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s400/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s1600/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s1600/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg)
Ol
Really liking this illustration - the accuracy on the eagle makes me wonder if you have some inside information.
OUTSTANDING!
Seconded -Great Work :thumbsup:
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Quote from: malkymac on 20 July, 2011, 08:08:20 AM
Quote from: In Orbit Every Monday on 20 July, 2011, 01:42:50 AM
With an evening spare it seemed worth a punt:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s400/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s1600/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mNXJSaOWDPY/TiYig4FB-FI/AAAAAAAAAOI/XtKU7rjP0fI/s1600/urban_eagle_72dpi.jpg)
Ol
Really liking this illustration - the accuracy on the eagle makes me wonder if you have some inside information.
OUTSTANDING!
Seconded -Great Work :thumbsup:
and thirded! how can anyone moan now? that
isdredd! ioem has done us proud...top that official persons...i dare ye!
Does congratulations of excellent work require successive posting of the same picture on the same page multiple times, how about just quoting the accompanying text as an option?
Or is it just to function as board-wallpaper that diminshes the impact of this great image.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 20 July, 2011, 10:37:14 PM
Does congratulations of excellent work require successive posting of the same picture on the same page multiple times, how about just quoting the accompanying text as an option?
Totally agree! As it make it different to access this on mobile!
That is a frickin' awesome picture, love the eagle!
Just found a (very) short little interview with John Wagner, talks about the movie a bit, nothing really new but interesting nonetheless- http://www.goodcomicbooks.com/interviews/4304/interview-judge-dredd-creator-john-wagner-on-the-day-of-chaos.
Hey Matt, no need for rudeness, it was just a question, calm down dude, sheesh ::)...
Quote from: radiator on 20 July, 2011, 09:20:01 AM
We're discussing the helmet on his head, not his cock - can we all get over that now?
Stevie's no problem with the size of this helmet; although Brendan McCarthy being his favourite Dredd artist may have something to do with that.
To tell the truth, Dredd's not his favourite character in the Meg*, let alone the Prog.
On the strength of what we've seen of the uniform so far, he just may watch this film.
*That'd be Devlin Waugh. He hastens to add that John Wagner's pretty much peerless as a writer though.
The illustration is fairly close, if I recall correctly..
..it's getting to the point now that it's becoming such a distant memory I'm needing reminders..
The latest photo, again, did absolutely nothing to inspire confidence at this end. The terrible staging and lighting aside, it still looked like any old riot cop modelling an oversized Dredd helmet for a laugh. Wagner says "no facial hair, but manly stubble" (or words to that effect), and that's exactly what Urban's wearing- I presume in a subtle visual link to Clint's Man With no Name. Doesn't matter, Dredd shouldn't have stubble. It's like the producers of the new Spidey revealing that Peter Parker will be blonde or have a mohican. It's not a choice Dredd would make. That said, if he walks out of Peach Trees in the end, rubs his chin and growls "I'm not doin' anything til I get a shave- this is against regs", then I may forgive it. :)
But. That following illustration, showing the eagle and how it might appear goes a looong way to assuaging any doubts I may have. No longer just a shop bought riot cop fancy dress costume- that is a reasonable (even desirable) interpretation of Dredd's uniform. It draws the design elements together and absolutely cements it as the comic character. I wonder how he'd lift his arm without the bottom section flapping around, but that's by the by. A photo confirming that would probably silence many of the criticisms- it widens Dredd's frame, and would put his enormous helmet in context. And it looks fantastic.
And if it now turns out to be wishful thinking and Urban just has another tiny pad on his shoulder with an engraved chicken on it, then I'm going to sit back and watch fandom explode!
SBT
The whole stubble thing seems a strange thing to fixate on - If anyone cares to read the Judge Child, it's more to do with a judge giving too much attention to their appearance. If he was obssessing over shaving, it would be equally bad.
Treat it as you would Dredd during the Apocalypse War, or in the Cursed Earth, the appearance was secondary to the job at hand. The whole feel is that the movie city is more of a warzone, with a less capable Justice Dept, with little time for niceties like shaving.
Quote from: Steve Green on 21 July, 2011, 09:40:33 AM
The whole stubble thing seems a strange thing to fixate on - If anyone cares to read the Judge Child, it's more to do with a judge giving too much attention to their appearance. If he was obssessing over shaving, it would be equally bad.
Treat it as you would Dredd during the Apocalypse War, or in the Cursed Earth, the appearance was secondary to the job at hand. The whole feel is that the movie city is more of a warzone, with a less capable Justice Dept, with little time for niceties like shaving.
#
He's talking sense! Quick everybody - GET HIM!
QuoteIf anyone cares to read the Judge Child, it's more to do with a judge giving too much attention to their appearance. If he was obssessing over shaving, it would be equally bad.
Yeah, but he also gives that judge shit at the start of The Pit for having a bit of stubble (even though the bloke has been on shift all day) "What're you - the Wolfman?".
Having said that, it doesn't bother me that much - this isn't the Dredd we know from the comics - this is a film based on the comics and the producers are clearly doing their own thing with it - I think we can afford them a little artistic license. All of these surface details aren't as important to me, the most important thing is the character, the attitude of the man which, judging by the bits of the script I have read, they have nailed completely.
QuoteA photo confirming that would probably silence many of the criticisms- it widens Dredd's frame, and would put his enormous helmet in context.
Quite right - we haven't seen a proper full figure shot of the uniform yet (the chubby stuntman on the bike doesn't count) - it's entirely possible that the proportions of the rest of the uniform will make everything look fine. The large dome on his head will be tempered if the shoulder pads and boots are suitably chunky.
I thought that in the 2 shots we have seen of Karl Urban, the helmet definitely looks too big for him. However the in view of the guy on the bike the helmet looked pretty good I thought.
Yeah, but that was in a lineup where he'd been brought in to bring a sector up to scratch - where he would want to make an example.
Like you say, it's not the same as the comic and it's not something that bothers me at all.
I really couldn't care less about Dredd's stuble as long as the film lives up to expectations and the film's success certainly isn't dependent on it.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 21 July, 2011, 10:24:38 AM
I really couldn't care less about Dredd's stuble as long as the film lives up to expectations and the film's success certainly isn't dependent on it.
Have you learned nothing?
The film will rise or fall on the amount of chin fluff and a slightly large hat!
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 21 July, 2011, 10:31:49 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 21 July, 2011, 10:24:38 AM
I really couldn't care less about Dredd's stuble as long as the film lives up to expectations and the film's success certainly isn't dependent on it.
Have you learned nothing?
The film will rise or fall on the amount of chin fluff and a slightly large hat!
The movie was doomed when not only did the get the number of links in the badge chain wrong -
they got rid of it altogether!
You guys are totally right of course! I'm just taliking crazy-please ignore me. :crazy:
All I want from the DREDD Movie is that it's a good, solid action Film with a beginning ,middle and end. From what I've seen so far it looks good though I haven't read the script as this would spoil it for me.
I knew Judge Dredd's uniform would have to be re designed for the Film since Film making is an entirely different medium from comic strips and they've done an excellent job of it. Die Hard mixed with Assault on Precinct 13 [John Carpenter version of course] seems to be the general gist the Production Company have gone for so that sounds like a very good idea to me. Not the most original idea maybe but still pretty smart thinking.
If DREDD doesn't break the Box office, if it's another ham fisted attempt then Damn, they blew it again!.
Still I think everybody here and I think on other forums WANTS DREDD to succeed, to be a hit and show the World some facet of the J.D character that makes us come back for more every week. I think that exchanges on this Forum can get so heated because we all want the best for this Film though we have differing opinions about how to bring this about. It's out of our hands now [ not that it was really ever in them!] so let's be positive and see, well whatever comes.
What he said!
My favourite quote, from elsewhere:
"For what it's worth, I've emailed Rebellion CEO, Jason Kingsley, and
told him he's ruined the look of Dredd."
::)
I've no doubt that went straight into a folder marked "drivel"
:lol:
I like it, by the way- what I can actually see, that is. I can see the argument for the helmet looking too big- but I'm not too fussed about stubble (stubble?!? :lol:). I'm happy- and reasonably confident- to wait and see...
That folder's getting pretty big I imagine.
Quote from: Matt Timson on 21 July, 2011, 11:33:43 AM
My favourite quote, from elsewhere:
"For what it's worth, I've emailed Rebellion CEO, Jason Kingsley, and
told him he's ruined the look of Dredd."
::)
I've no doubt that went straight into a folder marked "drivel"
:lol:
Or "deluded sense of self-importance" :o
Quote from: Steve Green on 21 July, 2011, 11:39:02 AM
That folder's getting pretty big I imagine.
Probably all from the same person! :lol:
Yeah, the thing is that all along the line it's important we acknowledge "this isn't the same Dredd as the one in the comics"- there's a different level of tech, he wears a different uniform, Mega City One is different (allegedly with an different architechtural aesthetic), the Justice Department is a scaled-down group largely failing in their job, and Dredd plainly has a different set of personal values. Some have attempted to justify this (within the fiction, ignoring the financial reasons) by suggesting the movie is showing a much earlier in the timeline version of Joe's world.
The stubble for me is a sticking point. It's the image they've chosen to publicise the film so far- it's plainly supposed to "say" something. And what it says is "rugged" (or "I'm George Michael" for those of us who grew up in the eighties). It suggests the Eastwood badass antihero, and I have no problem with that. I know that, within the narrative, Dredd has ample opportunity to grow it during the course of the story- but Christ, he'd never be seen with it in the comic. Stubble in comics is always a shorthand to either "rough n ready badass" (Desperate Dan) or time passing/ bad things happening with no opportunity to shave (Apocalypse War/ Harry Osborn on drugs). In comics it's a narrative device, in character design for film it's a signifier of who a character is supposed to be. Characters seldom grow stubble in the course of a film, because the eye doesn't pick it up so easily on the human face (and it's a continuity nightmare)- whereas in comics it's easy to suggest time passing by adding a few little pen-scratches. Here, Dredd is a rough n ready bad-bummed riot cop. That's what this particular image is saying.
In the long run it doesn't matter- if they get the rest of the character right. But with so many changes being made to Dredd's world "to make the movie work" (he says dripping sarcasm) will we be left with something that in any meaningful way resembles the comic? Having read the script and seen the pictures, I'm doubtful.
Note: I prefer comics to films. Films generally mean sod-all to me, with a few exceptions. This movie Dredd, good or bad, will only ever be an interpretation of the proper thing, of no greater or lesser importance than one of the original paperback novels or a Dredd-branded tea towel. It's the comic Dredd, in 2000AD and The Meg, that will continue to be the important thing, and the aspect of the character than gives me the most pleasure. As long as that continues to be done well, I don't care about the movie.
SBT
This probably isn't the thread for you then.
I think the Comic Strip version of Judge Dredd has it's own 'world' that in order to be made accessable by a mass audience inevitabley has to be changed. For too many people this is almost sacrilidge, changing some elements that make Dredd's world of Mega City 1 so convincing just to please the uninitiated is in their mind simply wrong.
That's shows how strongly they value the character and his Comic Strip origins. You could argue that no film could equal the power of America say or the horror of the Dark Judges it's simply something felt on a very personnel level by the individual reader. But I think their must be one good Film depicting the diverse and terrifying Future predicted by 2000A.D. Maybe it's not this one, not this DREDD Movie but I still feel it's got some wind in it's sails and is heading in the right direction. It might end up being be Pluto Nash or it might be the next Men in Black but either way it's in the Can and hopefully some time soon we'll see whether it's rubbish, okay-ish or Great. Okay-ish would be fine by me.
Some good points by SBT , fair to say if Superman, Batman or Captain America had been given the same look stubble-wise ,the reception from fans wouldn't have been great. Dredd has sported some growth in few stories like the Cursed Earth,so I wasn't too concerned , so long as it kept faithful to the character and was justified.However, as SBT points out they have gone for this from the outset putting this pic on their poster so I have a horrible feeling that Dredd is going to sport this 'I don't give a shit about regs ' look throughout the film, which I think would be disappointing.... :|
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 01:01:41 PMIn comics it's a narrative device, in character design for film it's a signifier of who a character is supposed to be. Characters seldom grow stubble in the course of a film, because the eye doesn't pick it up so easily on the human face (and it's a continuity nightmare)- whereas in comics it's easy to suggest time passing by adding a few little pen-scratches.
That may be a
personal grammar you harbour there, nothing wrong with that but don't expect it to be the same for everyone; I think you'll find the diurnal progress of facial follicles, can, and have performed the same functions in both mediums. This is Dredd in his reckless late twenties, he had a shabby appearance as a cadet during the
Great Atom War too.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 01:01:41 PMI don't care about the movie.
Your words betray you. Considering how much the
stubble bothers you, I think you're in denial.
Frankly, as long as it doesnt bore the tits off me, it'll be okay. I saw the stallone version five times at the cinema back in '95, and it entertained me well enough at the time.
SBT
I'm not much bothered by the stubble thing, but I don't know where this "Dredd had stubble in The Cursed Earth & The Apocalypse War" comes from, because I don't see much evidence of it. Judge Jack had stubble, but not Dredd.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 02:13:18 PM
I saw the stallone version five times at the cinema back in '95, and it entertained me well enough at the time.
You were in denial then too, obviously ;]
Ah but joe, what you dont understand is that from the age of fifteen, through 'advanced o level film studies', to media studies a level, to my media degree, and then working in the industry post-grad, i was bloody swamped by film and film theory. I spent the years between 1985 and 2000 either learning about films, dissecting films or making films! Enough! My interest these days, though habitually informed by all that, is largely nostalgic. Im burned out, so if i appear on the one hand dismissive of Dredd but on the other fascinated by its minutiae, then tnat's just the way ive been cut together.
As for the stubble thing, i'd argue the reverse- that the cinematic norm is for characters to be physically unchanged by events; hair to remain coiffured, makeup to remain in place, stars to basically emerge looking as they do on the poster- maintaining their persona to the end. I appreciate this isnt always the case, but i'd say it's mostly so.
SBT
Quote from: exilewood on 21 July, 2011, 02:22:31 PM
I'm not much bothered by the stubble thing, but I don't know where this "Dredd had stubble in The Cursed Earth & The Apocalypse War" comes from, because I don't see much evidence of it. Judge Jack had stubble, but not Dredd.
Dredd
was shown with stubble in the latter stages of the Cursed Earth, but there's no consistency and he generally (and unrealistically) appears clean-shaven.
(http://i.imgur.com/yqQlf.jpg)
How do you know his helmet doesnt have an automatic flip-down bic, like stallone's mic in the movie, that shaves for him, eh? ;)
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 02:33:20 PM
Ah but joe, what you dont understand is that from the age of fifteen, through 'advanced o level film studies', to media studies a level, to my media degree, and then working in the industry post-grad, i was bloody swamped by film and film theory. I spent the years between 1985 and 2000 either learning about films, dissecting films or making films!
...all that and it still took
5 viewings for you to realise Dredd '95 wasn't worth a thrill-sucker's nad hair?
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 02:33:20 PMAs for the stubble thing, i'd argue the reverse- that the cinematic norm is for characters to be physically unchanged by events; hair to remain coiffured, makeup to remain in place, stars to basically emerge looking as they do on the poster- maintaining their persona to the end. I appreciate this isnt always the case, but i'd say it's mostly so.
Whose cinematic norm? recent 'Hollywood's' or the 'real world's'?
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 02:39:45 PM
How do you know his helmet doesnt have an automatic flip-down bic, like stallone's mic in the movie, that shaves for him, eh? ;)
Nonsense, he carries
immac.
Speaking as someone who once immac'd his chest and legs, i can categorically say we can rule that one out. Ive never seen Dredd with thousands of tiny burning spots the following day, in utter agony, resolving never to ever do it again.
SBT
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2011, 02:43:35 PM
Nonsense, he carries immac.
More likely he uses Cyclops Laser Hair Removal. Lean over the handlbars for one quick "Pzooooo!" and he's all set, smooth as the Judge Child's bottom.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 02:46:31 PM
Speaking as someone who once immac'd his chest and legs, i can categorically say we can rule that one out. Ive never seen Dredd with thousands of tiny burning spots the following day, in utter agony, resolving never to ever do it again.
He's
harder than you.
More likely to think it's some kind of Boing! strip.
Either that, or after the Dead Man rejuve, he opted for no hair follicles... saves time.
Ah, that much is certain. But has he ever done drag?
No- have we ever seen dredd shaving in the comic? I ask because memory may be cheating here (it's a while since i read it) but LOOK AWAY! SPOILER!
dont we see him doing so in the first scene of the script? or is it just him putting his hat on?
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 03:00:44 PMdont we see him doing so in the first scene of the script? or is it just him putting his hat on?
Ironing I believe.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 02:13:18 PM
Frankly, as long as it doesnt bore the tits off me, it'll be okay. I saw the stallone version five times at the cinema back in '95, and it entertained me well enough at the time.
SBT
I paid to see Crimson Tide six times just to watch the Dredd trailer before it!
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2011, 02:50:13 PM
He's harder than you.
no he's not he takes his pill dontcha know? ;)
Blackmocco: you win! at least until cf appears with tales of seeing demolition man eighteen times, wearing special glasses that put a little dredd helmet on whoever you're looking at.
Joe: ironing, was it? Oh yeah, that's just before he gets a call on the judge phone and slides down his judge pole to the 'lawmobile' isnt it?
;)
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 04:12:15 PM
Blackmocco: you win! at least until cf appears with tales of seeing demolition man eighteen times, wearing special glasses that put a little dredd helmet on whoever you're looking at.
SBT
Great. Haha! Until then I'm the title holder of 'biggest saddo'. Took me about two years to realize the movie wasn't great either.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 04:12:15 PMBlackmocco: you win! at least until cf appears with tales of seeing demolition man eighteen times, wearing special glasses that put a little dredd helmet on whoever you're looking at.
Hope he kept them glasses, would've come in handy for watching Dredd '95 too.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2011, 04:33:03 PM
Hope he kept them glasses, would've come in handy for watching Dredd '95 too.
Maybe you could retrofit the technology with a little lens that shrinks the helmet in Dredd '12 to user-defined levels?
...and a filter that removes stubble.
Well, frankly i dont see why they cant make one version for the general public and a special, different, version for the fans. One with no stubble, a small hat, judge death, fatties, pj maybe, the fink, the apocalypse war and the judge child quest in it. I mean, it's not much to ask.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 05:21:22 PM
Well, frankly i dont see why they cant make one version for the general public and a special, different, version for the fans. One with no stubble, a small hat, judge death, fatties, pj maybe, the fink, the apocalypse war and the judge child quest in it. I mean, it's not much to ask.
SBT
Then you
finance it!
Quote from: Michaelvk on 21 July, 2011, 07:51:26 AM
The illustration is fairly close, if I recall correctly..
..it's getting to the point now that it's becoming such a distant memory I'm needing reminders..
Which illustration?
Without dragging this further off topic, the question of the perception that fans have that they are 'owed' things by filmmakers throws up some scary space-maths.
For example:
Dredd budget= (£/$)45,000,000.
Potential audience (world population minus those under 15)= 5110,000,000.
Therefore percentage of budget per audience member expressed in cash terms= 0.009(c/p) each.
Fan-guesstimated circulation of 2000AD= 30,000.
30,000 x 0.009= 270
So, fans are 'owed' a Dredd movie costing £270 or thereabouts.
Id imagine even Minty has spent more than that on travel and sandwiches!
None of the above is intended to stop anyone expressing displeasure with the movie we're getting. Everyone is entitled to think what they like, and to express it here.
SBT
Quote from: bewareofgeek on 21 July, 2011, 05:45:17 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 21 July, 2011, 07:51:26 AM
The illustration is fairly close, if I recall correctly..
..it's getting to the point now that it's becoming such a distant memory I'm needing reminders..
Which illustration?
D'wan wit Dredd in it.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 06:15:34 PM
Everyone is entitled to think what they like, and to express it here.
When the fuck did this shit happen? Mods!?
You would think the helmet was the size of some thing from spaceballs,and the chin stubble was like desperate dan. i think the look of urbans dredd is better then us readers of 2000ad could have hoped for! i still feel dirty thinking i payed to see the other 95 film :'(
I saw that film twice in one day and I payed :lol:
A fool and his money... :lol:
This is very therapeutic ,is it safe to say i purchased the full run of Judge dredd law man of the future yet? :-[
Fookin' 'ell psidude, i've got two copies of each one, and two copies of the action special to go with them.
Mind you, one set was bound and given to the boy. Who still covets them to this day.
SBT
To be fair, Lawman Of The Future was pretty good for the first half of its run. It's a decidedly different take on Dredd, but it works within its own reality, and it reminded me quite a bit of the very early 2000 AD Dredds, minus the death. It went a bit off the boil towards the end, but I suspect by that point there was no budget and little enthusiasm.
Agreed, and then it all gets really old school and mike mcmahon-y in the Action Special, with bike races and spikes harvey rotten. I really like them, and read them recently. Dare i say they may have been better than what had been running in the prog prior to the movie?
SBT
last time i read them i was 18 cannot realy remeber will have to hunt them out ,and i think you could be right the prog went down hill for me after wilderlands,but the thing with 2000ad is theres always something to keep you comeing back! i think the prog now is the best it has ever been cannot wait for the new dredd epic tp unfold :)
If only the film had been as-good-as LotF...?
For my sins, I did buy the 'Making of...& Art of Judge Dredd', just for the concept work of course. I did subsequently burn the 'Making of...' though, too much Stallone in it, was tarnishing the shelf.
If everyone burns there stuff it makes mine more valuable :lol: :lol: :lol:
KEEP BURNING YOUR BOOKS!
Don't worry CF, I have two copies of 'Art of" and 'Making of' as well! Though in my defence, the others were bought for me by a particularly thoughtless girlfriend.
SBT
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 21 July, 2011, 08:19:20 PM
If everyone burns there stuff it makes mine more valuable :lol: :lol: :lol:
KEEP BURNING YOUR BOOKS!
Not with the anti-matter of
Stallone.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 21 July, 2011, 08:38:06 PMThough in my defence, the others were bought for me by a particularly thoughtless girlfriend.
That'll explain why you kept them then?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 July, 2011, 08:39:44 PM
That'll explain why you kept them then?
That implies I could throw books away- which as we all know is a Mortal Sin.
SBT
Only if you're mortal in the first place.
Thanks for the props.
The drawing's purely a response to the images on these threads - no prior heads up from anyone - some artistic licence and a little guess work.
Cheers,
Ol
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/browse_thread/thread/10632a90ceea54af?hl=en#t the idiot is either claiming the image for his own or he's just doing his usual alterations . ::)
I particularly enjoyed his slim grasp of comics vs actual human proportions.
"REBELLION AND DNA FILMS HAVE COMPLETELY EMASCULATED JUDGE DREDD."
:lol:
I shouldn't laugh really. There but for the grace of God and all that...
He may have a point. What's so great about Urban with wimpish round shoulders?
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1889/dredddrawingvsurban1.jpg
Last time I read 2000AD, Dredd has broad level shoulders. The Urban look is awful, he looks so wimpish. Whoever came up with the new Dredd uniform needs his eyesight checked! :lol:
And the slim grasp on reality, in general, of course.
::)
Matt, please answer this - direct answer...
Why does the new film version Dredd have round shoulders when the character has always had broad shoulders?
Sorry, Scott, I just can't be bothered. It's been ten years- get some help.
Why not answer the question. I thought this thread was about Judge Dredd, not about the mental state of 2000AD fans.
I ask you to answer the question, please.
Sorry, Scott- I just don't play anymore. It's a waste of time.
You don't play and yet you post comments about Scott.
QuoteI particularly enjoyed his slim grasp of comics vs actual human proportions.
"REBELLION AND DNA FILMS HAVE COMPLETELY EMASCULATED JUDGE DREDD."
I shouldn't laugh really. There but for the grace of God and all that...
So it's fine to insult Scott when he doesn't come and reply, but when you get a reply from someone who may or may not be Scott, you don't want to play.
::)
Maybe you shouldn't mention him then you wouldn't get a reply like this?
That's cos you are Scott, Scott.
Don't bother. I'm starting to wish I hadn't either...
I think the look of urban is spot on for the gritty look of this real world take on dredd! it worked for batman with Cristopher Nolan ,cristian bale is much leaner built then in the comics,same with superman would you want john cena playing dredd ;)
To be honest, I'm more of a lurker around these threads, but for what it's worth, I'm just glad they're making it, and paying attention to the source. Urban's a fine actor and seems to have the right attitude for the role, and hey - who cares if it's taking a while? Shows they're PAYING ATTENTION to it properly!
The Dredd uniform is all wrong, spectacularly wrong, I'm sorry to say. Compare the look to Batman from the 1989 film:
(http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1349/dreddvsbatman1customcus.jpg)
Batman has very broad shoulders - entirely consistent with the classic Judge Dredd broad shoulders look - whereas Urban's shoulders are too round making him look less imposing. It is a huge design flaw and this has nothing to do with subjective opinion or film producers striving for 'realism'. Certain heroes have wide broad shoulders for a reason - to denote strength. It's an integral part of their character. To dismiss this, as is the case with the Urban look, is very sad and I think fans deserve better.
How much more time and money would it take to boost Urban's shoulders, give him a decent broad shouldered look? Not much. A day or two of extra time, I reckon. If you're going to all the time and money to make a proper Judge Dredd film, why make spoil the uniform? Start off getting that right!
Well it's a bit late to change it now, eh? Like it or lump it, I reckon..
QuoteWell it's a bit late to change it now, eh? Like it or lump it, I reckon..
Yes, I accept that. ;) However, it might have been wise for the producers or Rebellion to have released some design sketches and got some fan feedback. If fans had posted "not too good, can you reduce the helmet, boost the pads to make Urban more macho" - who knows, perhaps the producers or Rebellion would have considered it. Clearly no-one making 'Dredd' gives a damn about what the fans think! I don't mean that in a harsh way but it's clear they never asked for any feedback, they never considered what fans would like to see. They assumed, arrogantly or otherwise, the fans would embrace the look but now that the look is out there some fans haven't been that positive about it.
The same is true of the title. How many fans would have wanted 'Dredd' as the title? Okay, it's short and to the point but all fans know it's Judge Dredd. I just feel fans are getting shortchanged.
Future123, are you troll??
what Psidude means is this;
(http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Batman_The_Dark_Knight/batman_the_dark_knight_movie_image__3_.jpg)
i can just see the uproar when the dark knight rises comes and fans find out that bane is not as imposing then in the comics! come on be thankful after the 95 film,we or lucky theres a new film comeing out at all !
Quote from: Goaty on 23 July, 2011, 02:21:22 PM
Future123, are you troll??
Yes. No point arguing wits with someone who can't tell when a human has their shoulders in a relaxed or tensed position.
Thanks goaty :) as for the 89 batman shoulder pads were all in this was the dacade of dallas ;)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 July, 2011, 02:26:31 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 23 July, 2011, 02:21:22 PM
Future123, are you troll??
Yes. No point arguing wits with someone who can't tell when a human has their shoulders in a relaxed or tensed position.
Or that their pictures are taken from entirely different angles...
WTF?!? They emasculated Batman!
I think mnerrr mnerr mnerrr and that mneerrrr mneerrr mnerr because mneer mnnerrr mner.. That's what you sound like. You sound like that you do.
Emasculation. What a crock. A pointless descriptive that exists here only as a devise to convey a superior wisdom on events. Ha!
How about Robocop:
(http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/7729/dreddandrobocop1.jpg)
Urban's shoulders slope too much. He also doesn't seem that broad.
Robocop has horizontal shoulders which are consistent with 2000AD's Dredd broad shoulders and shoulder pads design:
(http://www.netbrawl.com/uploads/6a76cdcc38841e41713153df715d58b1.jpg)
The Urban uniform design isn't faithful to 2000AD's Dredd nor is it faithful to many film hero costume/uniform designs. Put it this way, I doubt the designer of Robocop said "I must give Robocop round shoulders. That will look great!"
::)
Why don't you slope off?
Robo cop,and darth vader have to wear there suits,there lifesupport systems!!! thats way there bulky! ::)
How's your masculinity these days Scott?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08)
Quote from: M.I.K. on 23 July, 2011, 03:40:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08)
lol little bit wee just came out :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
mmmmmm, not sure on this at all. that helmet IS too big. did someone say this was possibly a test shot or is this the finished article? that aside i do think its an improvement on the stallone era uniform
He reminds me of Tim Bisley who just wouldn't let the spectre of The Phantom Menace go! Except Tim Bisley was funny and not a persistent annoyance.
Quote from: The return of Judge Jack on 23 July, 2011, 03:50:01 PM
mmmmmm, not sure on this at all. that helmet IS too big, thats for sure. did someone say this was possibly a test shot or is this the finished article?
Oops ancient history but no, it's the 'finished article'. Helmet looks fine, it's a solid piece of armoury and it'll look fine when legging about city-blocks and tearing down the skedway..
apologies for my ancientness - im the new boy....
yes, the helmet does look fine, just too big. its pointless judging a film on a couple of not very good fotos so i wont, but the judge minty fan film does look better, uniform wise. :P
guess we'll all have to wait and see next year
Ofcourse a lid will look huge if you don't see the entire picture.. Without context it won't ever look right..
Quote from: Michaelvk on 23 July, 2011, 10:40:29 PM
Ofcourse a lid will look huge if you don't see the entire picture.. Without context it won't ever look right..
BIG BOOTS!
Big helmet, big boots.. You know what they say ;)
Quote from: Michaelvk on 23 July, 2011, 10:56:53 PM
Big helmet, big boots.. You know what they say ;)
Big tailor...?
Suit you, sir.. :lol:
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 July, 2011, 02:26:31 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 23 July, 2011, 02:21:22 PM
Future123, are you troll??
Yes. No point arguing wits with someone who can't tell when a human has their shoulders in a relaxed or tensed position.
plus we dont know dredd has broad shpoulders due to the big pads ,maybe you should do a wiki
future123 scojo perhpas you know his inside leg measurement too,dredds,not urbans .
Quote from: mogzilla on 24 July, 2011, 12:37:14 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 23 July, 2011, 02:26:31 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 23 July, 2011, 02:21:22 PM
Future123, are you troll??
Yes. No point arguing wits with someone who can't tell when a human has their shoulders in a relaxed or tensed position.
plus we dont know dredd has broad shpoulders due to the big pads ,maybe you should do a wiki future123 scojo perhpas you know his inside leg measurement too,dredds,not urbans .
think future123 wants to be the rearcarnation of stallones gold cod piece :)
scojo?
Quote from: mogzilla on 23 July, 2011, 11:23:33 AM
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comics.2000ad/browse_thread/thread/10632a90ceea54af?hl=en#t the idiot is either claiming the image for his own or he's just doing his usual alterations . ::)
For what it's worth:
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Scott,
Would you please refrain from using my artwork in your ongoing declamations of the current Dredd film production.
The original illustration was purely an interpretation of existing press - some harmless speculation - not there for you to take without consent out of context and certainly not used as raw material for yet another of your revisions which I have no doubt will end up attached to yet another of your Dear Jasons.
You've made your point now - more than once - perhaps it's time to step away from this part of the internet and quit with these pointless, circular arguments.
Ol
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Interesting seeing the shot on the Empire cover (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,33873.0/topicseen.html), which shows how you need to see all views before making any claim that this is or isn't representative of Dredd. Frankly, I think that Empire shot looks exactly the part.
Agreed- the proportioning looks fine on that shot.
Anyone who's doubtful should go look at that thread now it has scans of the entire article up (and then go and buy Empire to get a proper copy, obv.)
I think this looks great. Anyone who looks at these images and still thinks the 1995 movie was more Dredd-like in stills must be pretty deluded. Dredd actually looks like he could kick your arse in this film, rather than a jimp aiming to muscle in on a display.
Imo the image of Dredd on the Empire cover looks great - the helmet looks much better proportioned. Still a little on the large side, but much, much better.
Quote from: radiator on 25 July, 2011, 01:59:02 PM
Imo the image of Dredd on the Empire cover looks great - the helmet looks much better proportioned. Still a little on the large side, but much, much better.
Most amusingly some of the helmets in teh new pics actually look too
small... :lol:
empie pics look spot on very dredd and is shoulders look spot on to! ;)
now thats better! those couple of pics that had been out a while had put the seed of doubt in my mind, but these......looking good :thumbsup:
Somehow, I had managed to miss all 21 pages of this. Any chance we can turn "Active Topics" off again until the film comes out?
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helmet is too big
Quotehelmet is too big
No it isn't.
Quote from: junox on 28 July, 2011, 03:33:55 AM
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helmet is too big
As I said in the other thread-that's NOT Dredd!
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7569/unled1copygy.png)
helmet is just right.
V
Indeed. I got Empire today, and I noticed what has been said about the padding in the helmet, particularly in that shot. You can't see it all that clearly in that scanned photo.
EDIT- 1 check later... I was wrong actually you can see the padding in both. Just look closely at the left side (facing us.).
The padding is quite clear though but don't know how thick it is throughout the helm:
(http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/10143/Dredd.jpg)
(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1601/empiredredd03.jpg)
A better shot of Judge... Lex. Nice Eagle pad! Yes, not huge - but it is there and it is different from the left shoulder pad, so - conceptually faithful, realistically implemented. Helmets look large because, essentially, they are doing double duty as motorcycle helmet. Which was always the idea, check Judge Fargo's old proto Judge gear which is even more explicit with the concept.
ERM is it jist me but as i said before thats judge LEX joe and recos triplet clone :lol: :P :lol:
ah think lex should stick to ploting against superman lol
Quote from: vzzbux on 28 July, 2011, 07:54:28 PM
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7569/unled1copygy.png)
helmet is just right.
V
Maybe Empire should've asked who was working on the design of the helmet a good month and a half before pre-production..
:-X
I have been a bit concerned about how you could see out of one of those helmets so I thought I would try an experiment to see how much those helmet cross pieces restrict your vision.
I got a couple of packets of rizlas and pressed them at right angles between my eyes and the result?
Mildly annoying but surprising little effect at blocking out vision so the verdict is that the helmet design is fine!
I have too much time on my hands I think. :D
Quote from: Michaelvk on 03 August, 2011, 12:06:34 PM
Quote from: vzzbux on 28 July, 2011, 07:54:28 PM
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7569/unled1copygy.png)
helmet is just right.
V
Maybe Empire should've asked who was working on the design of the helmet a good month and a half before pre-production..
:-X
maybe if you hadn't broken your NDA by posting stuff online you might have got a mention?
Quote from: PJM on 05 August, 2011, 06:22:56 PMmaybe if you hadn't broken your NDA by posting stuff online you might have got a mention?
Maybe you're on the wrong forum.
no need to be nasty...we all welcomed any snippets and to be honest most of us still think it was unfair what happened to him .
....and at the missing modify button that was not joe being nasty ,the first guy...webz! reinstate an edit function willyas?
I know. I dislike when people mouth-off when they believe a story is just black 'n white. We weren't there...we don't know.
You tell him Joe. He posted a pic of Dredd a while back and he had only 5, yes FIVE links in the chain, so what does he know :lol:
Quote from: PJM on 05 August, 2011, 06:22:56 PM
maybe if you hadn't broken your NDA by posting stuff online you might have got a mention?
Yes, well, when one of the producers comes up to you and says "good job, keep it up" you don't expect things to turn out the way they did. Said producer, and many of the crew, were more livid about it than I was. But what can you do, eh?
Good job Michael finished work on the improved heatseeker bullet, should reach the little sucker a week Tuesday, :D
Quote from: Michaelvk on 18 August, 2011, 05:23:39 PM
But what can you do, eh?
You wanna be where everybody knows
Your name. -Cheers
Hey Michaelvk, so it was YOU that released that Lawmaster pic earlier this year!? If not, what exactly did you release that got you in trouble, were you fired from the movie or what, I must've missed that bit on the forum here...?
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 19 August, 2011, 04:46:48 AM
Hey Michaelvk, so it was YOU that released that Lawmaster pic earlier this year!?
No it wasn't, Mick showed these helms and a shot of two Lawgivers:
The Lawmaster pic came out a couple of weeks after Michael had been taken off the project.
Which made a bit of a nonsense of the whole 'keeping things secret' song and dance, since he'd only shown stuff that had already been made public in the first photo, and was done with the approval of his manager from what I recall.
Just some dick-swinging overkill from the backers it seems.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 August, 2011, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 19 August, 2011, 04:46:48 AM
Hey Michaelvk, so it was YOU that released that Lawmaster pic earlier this year!?
No it wasn't, Mick showed these helms and a shot of two Lawgivers:
I missed that photo before, and I'm glad cuz I got a new thrill now. Really, really great pic. Really.
Re Michael's job problems - got my sympathy, but at the same time, I'm not keen on badmouthing the people behind Dredd. As far as I can see, they've done so much good re Dredd that I'm crazy grateful. Not saying you shouldn't call them out when they do bad, just saying I feel torn.
Oh yeah, I remember the pics of the helmets and the moulds of the Lawgivers now, bingo, ta for setting me straight, sorry Michael (great work on the movie props we've seen so far, by the way!)...
Just a wee recap..
First, the production company did what they did because of the pressure coming from IM Global, who are in control of the publicity of Dredd.
I had backing from one of the prominent production members, who personally came to find me in the workshop to tell me I was doing a good job and should keep doing what I was doing.
After the publication of the initial still, I assumed that I would be able to show low res images of things that had already been established, based on what had been said to me. I never intended to publicize anything that hadn't been already seen.
What annoyed the investing side of things was Lena Headey's name coming out. While I never actually mentioned her name, I hinted.. Which was apparently enough. Her name got out and that's what caused my time to end on the project. The producers got heat from above, and as I was the obvious choice, a cut had to be made to show something had been done. Technically speaking I wasn't actually fired in the traditional sense, but rather ushered out the back door, as production might've had an earful too for being at fault too.
Ironically a few days after, on my way to the studio (I was working on a separate project by then), I see the Lawmaster parked large as life next to one of the busiest intersections in Cape Town, completely uncovered. A few hours later not only do pictures of the bike appear on the web, but also images of the VT area.. Spy photographers posted far more actual information than I did, but I was a traceable source.
The whole incident was unfortunate, but I have no issues with it. Production didn't really have a choice, no matter how disappointed they were in the action they were having to take. There were quite a few supporters in the senior crew who were upset about it. Thankfully the guys here on the forum were very supportive, which was incredibly heartwarming.
As for what I precisely did, I mainly designed some weapons, including the Lawgiver prop (based on Jock's concept). Almost all the manufacture was done by the guys in the workshop. I only helped out on one of the guns (which I'm incredibly proud of), one version of the Lawgiver and dressing the Lawmasters.. I'll elaborate more when the movie is released..
The pictures in the vt area and the lawmaster were bigger leaks in my opinion,the lawmaster was very damaging in terms of negative feedback.
The producers surely copped who was responsible for the vt area pictures?
I think people won't be pushing as much for info now mike with the empire article last month.
I'm even capable of waiting for the trailer now.
When the movie is finally out,please let us know more of the behind. the scenes action.
No worries.. THough I'd need to see it myself to get a reminder of it all..
The only info that I would truly love to know.
Did the Judges and the perps sit at different tables at lunch time?
Quote from: SneakeeX on 23 August, 2011, 11:56:33 PM
The pictures in the vt area and the lawmaster were bigger leaks in my opinion,the lawmaster was very damaging in terms of negative feedback.
The producers surely copped who was responsible for the vt area pictures?
Nuh-uh.. Set security in SA is a joke..
I dunno about the Judges and perps sitting separately, but us feeelthy fabrication crew were kept well away from all the important people...