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It finaly happened lads and ladys! The crossover we have all been waiting for, Doctor Who and Star Trek: The Next Generation!
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-02/14/doctor-who-star-trek-comic (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-02/14/doctor-who-star-trek-comic)
AWSOME!

Wow!

Now I usually have no interest in these kinds of things, but get Pond in an OS Yeoman's uniform and my mind could be changed...

Or blown...

Tony Lee has posted about his role in this:

www.tonylee.co.uk/index.php?option=com_wordpress&p=391&Itemid=1

Check this baby out.

:o

Moffat Who meets the most boring television series, with the most boring characters, ever made? Is it too much to hope that the cybermen win? Why are they digging up Picard and his bunch of no-marks? What happened to current Trek being the revamped adventures of the original lot? I think it's safe to say I'll be studiously avoiding this one!

SBT

Kill Joy.  :P

Quote from: Hawkmonger on 14 February, 2012, 06:17:30 PM
Kill Joy.  :P

I love original Trek! If this were one of the proper Doctor Whos teaming up with the original crew- even the JJ Abrams versions- I'd be all over it like a big nerdy rash. But The Next Generation? Just... vom. It was crap when it was on tv, it was crap as a series of disastrous movies that killed the franchise stone dead, and it's crap now. This could only be worse if it were David Tennant and the crew of Voyager.

Bah humbug!  :)

SBT

Mind you, getting Amy Pond and Beverly Crusher together could be ginger heaven. I would still prefer a TOS team up.

JvB

I NEVER got the hate for Next Generation.
Picard is an awsome captain, on par if not succeding Kirk, and the rest of the crew where diverse and entertaining.
Yes, I do prefer the Original series, but thats not to say TNG was ever terrible.
Also, Nemesis is underrated.........Inssurection sucks though.................and Kirk was shafted in generations..........

Only a team up with Tom Baker's Who would work with TOS, not the touchy-feely stuff the Doc is about nowadays.  As disinterested as I am in seeing anything more of the tv era TNG stuff (caught some of the movies recently and have to admit even Nemesis had some great human moments), this does sound like a good mix if you like that whole boiler suited communist thing TNG had going on.  This looks like it is not for me, but I'm not a miserable bastard that I'd begrudge someone else the pleasure.

I'm off to look up write some Romana II/Ezri Dax/Cosh slash fic.

Quote from: The Cosh on 14 February, 2012, 08:31:08 PM
I'm off to look up write some Romana II/Ezri Dax/Cosh slash fic.

< Shudder >

Quote from: Link Prime on 14 February, 2012, 09:42:29 PM

Quote from: The Cosh on 14 February, 2012, 08:31:08 PM
I'm off to look up write some Romana II/Ezri Dax/Cosh slash fic.

< Shudder >

I mean everyone bloody knows that Jadzia Dax was the real deal ;)

Quote from: The Cosh on 14 February, 2012, 08:31:08 PM
I'm off to look up write some Romana II/Ezri Dax/Cosh slash fic.

What's Babylon 5 got to do with it?

Meh, they could bill it as 'when overrated sci-fi collides'
Where's the Firefly / Farscape crossover I was promised*



*promises may never have happened.

I hate original series Star Trek. It's shite.

*hides*

Quote from: King Trout on 15 February, 2012, 02:03:41 PM
*hides*

"Heatseeker!"

SBT

Quote from: King Trout on 15 February, 2012, 02:03:41 PM
I hate original series Star Trek. It's shite.

Communist.

Quote from: King Trout on 15 February, 2012, 02:03:41 PM
I hate original series Star Trek. It's shite.

Tribble.

JvB

Quote from: James Stacey on 15 February, 2012, 09:56:14 AM
Meh, they could bill it as 'when overrated sci-fi collides'
Where's the Firefly / Farscape crossover I was promised*



*promises may never have happened.

HI-EX!!!!
Seriously? I love both of those series but placing them above both Who and Trek is complet blasphemy!

If we're going to have a "clash of the sci-fi titans", can't we have 2001: A Space Odyssey meets Captain Zep?

And then afterwards I absolutely demand a Paranormal Activity meets Rentaghost movie.

SBT

as long as it's 'clash of the sci fi titans' not 'slash of the sci fi titans' .. there is enough of that on the interpipes already.

"I wear primary-coloured romper suits now. Primary-coloured romper suits are cool!"

Sadly it's going to take more than the Doctor & titian-tressed time totty to make ST:TNG interesting.

More covers

Ugh. Still the bloody Cybusmen.

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 09 March, 2012, 09:31:39 PM
Ugh. Still the bloody Cybusmen.

Who's gonna pay for new Cybermen costumes in this bleedin economy? (looks around room) You? You? What about you??

I personally love the Artdeco-men myself. I'm just glad they've quietly gotten rid of the alternate universe angle, and made them from Mondas again. My 'Fannon' explanation is that after the events of The Next Doctor, the last remnants of the Alternate Earth Cyberman were found by the Time War remnants of the Mondas Cybermen, and were assimilated into the collective, with the Mondas Cybermen taking the Alternate Earth's more advanced armor design as their own.

So, now we get the best of both Cybermen.

I like your style, Adventurer.

Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 14 February, 2012, 06:14:47 PM
Moffat Who meets the most boring television series, with the most boring characters, ever made? Is it too much to hope that the cybermen win?

Yes...I always thought I was the only person who thinks Star Trek is boring. Mind you I hate Star Trek in all its various forms. :lol:

Cover for #2 plus varient.

And now here's something rather cool, may actualy make people change there mind's about this crossover.
#3 cover

Wowzers - that cover art is really poor. Looks like fan art - is it really official?

The Kirk one is utterly hilarious.

Im confused by the fact its ST-TNG and Kirk and Spock or is that the time travel element? Either way its hardly TNG

Quote from: Tim Tailz on 09 March, 2012, 11:33:21 PM
Yes...I always thought I was the only person who thinks Star Trek is boring. Mind you I hate Star Trek in all its various forms. :lol:

It's boredom by infinity squared.

Quote from: radiator on 04 May, 2012, 04:44:26 PM]Looks like fan art - is it really official?

This is how I feel about the entire ridiculous concept. Cheap as fuck.

Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 04 May, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
This is how I feel about the entire ridiculous concept. Cheap as fuck.

Aww, you won't be saying that when the Dredd/Ghost Whisperer crossover hits. 

The first cover is passable i guess, but the rest are just awful. Looks like Dr Who and Picard have Whiskey noses on the 2nd one.

The #3 cover looks like every painted cover to a 70s and 80s Star Trek tie-in novel ever.  Which I assume is exactly what they were going for.

Art aside i'm still gonna pick these up. I've just been waiting to long for this crossover.

Quote from: Hawkmonger on 04 May, 2012, 05:57:54 PM
Art aside i'm still gonna pick these up. I've just been waiting to long for this crossover.

Exactly. People would have bought it if it was smeared on toilet paper. I'm not though - I'm going to go and buy Orbital.

That Baker/Shatner cover is so cool. Still not buying the series though. Can't justify the expense.

Isn't that Kirk's KHAAAAAAN face?

Quote from: CrazyFoxMachine on 04 May, 2012, 07:36:08 PM

Quote from: Hawkmonger on 04 May, 2012, 05:57:54 PM
Art aside i'm still gonna pick these up. I've just been waiting to long for this crossover.

Exactly. People would have bought it if it was smeared on toilet paper. I'm not though - I'm going to go and buy Orbital.

Bah phewy!  :D

Why couldn't the entire thing have been like the cover of issue three? Why?

It's official - the interior art is worse than the covers and it really IS smeared on toilet paper. SQUEEE UNIVERSE CROSSOVER LOL.

Are those meant to be Deltans? 

More to the point, is this set in R'yleh?  'Cos that's the only place that perspective and those nauseating colours would make sense...

Saw this on the shelf. I didn't even pick it up to look at it. These will be wrapping fish shortly.

That looks like it came from an annual in the late 70s and not the lead stories with the better artists (I have some John Higgins work in a Battlestar Galactica Annual, for example) but the cheap filler they hope no-one really notices. Is that genuinely the interior art or are you yanking our chains?

OK I looked up a preview, apparently this is indeed not a clever CFM joke:

www.wired.com/underwire/2012/05/star-trek-tng-doctor-who/

Thing is the Cybermen and the Doctor don't look too bad but everything else...

QuoteThe art in some places conveys place, tone and form wonderfully, but often it feels rushed and shoddy, and somehow not linked to what is actually happening. The referenced characters generally convince, but the new characters feel like they have less attention.

www.bleedingcool.com/2012/05/21/review-star-trek-next-generationdoctor-who-1/

Perhaps the target audience just doesn't care.

And some reviewers like it:

QuoteOne other note, J.K. Woodward provides some beautiful painted artwork for the book, and particularly in the opening scenes, seems extremely suited to the task of creating a crossover than mashes together two universes. The artist seems to be channeling Alex Ross' work on Kingdom Come a little bit here, and more than helps take what could be a small taste of a story, and make it feel a little more epic.

http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/05/29/doctor-whostar-trek-assimilation-1-review/

QuoteJK Woodward is an interesting choice for this book. I'd love to know why he was chosen for art duties here. This book looks to be 100% painted. And it's painted beautifully. However, this is a big action book and I think maybe it would've been better served by a more traditional pencil and ink style of art. Again, I'm not saying that Woodward's art is bad or underwhelming by any means, in fact, quite the opposite. I just think that maybe it's not the style for this book. That being said, this book is gorgeous!! Especially the Doctor Who half, which takes place in the ancient past, and is filled with fantastic, lavish detail and beautifully painted. Woodward hits all the likenesses dead-on. You know who everyone is immediately, yet it's not distracting or drawn from production stills, which is a nice treat.

www.geeksofdoom.com/2012/05/29/comic-review-star-trekdoctor-who-assimilation-2-1/

Quote from: Hawkmonger on 04 May, 2012, 05:57:54 PMArt aside i'm still gonna pick these up. I've just been waiting to long for this crossover.

Have people actually been waiting for a Who/Trek crossover to happen? It doesn't seem too obvious, even if in hindsight teaming the Borg and Cybermen in a story seems rather predictable.

There are genuinely better-drawn Who strips on Deviantart, by teenage non-professionals.

Remember, this is the company in charge of the US Judge Dredd comic.



Just... putting that out there.

Not wishing (too much) to bash, but that artwork looks truly awful. Shading everything with black was something most artists grow out of at puberty.  :(  I hope it's an entirely different team working on Dredd.....

Quote from: Darren Stephens on 30 May, 2012, 08:57:58 PM
Not wishing (too much) to bash, but that artwork looks truly awful. Shading everything with black was something most artists grow out of at puberty.  :(  I hope it's an entirely different team working on Dredd.....

Its my experience that IDW skimps on the interior artist talent on all their licensed books. They get good writers, but the most mediocre of interior artists. Jeff Moy on Legion of Super-Heroes/Star Trek was probably the best art I've seen in a licensed book by them (baring a handful of Paul Grist drawn Doctor Who one-shots)

But don't worry, I'm sure Dredd will have a dozen variant covers by actual talented artists every issue!

Paul Grist drawn Doctor Who one-shots, eh? That sounds like a winning combo. Might have to look into getting my hands on those....

Turns out he only did one. Doctor Who: Time Machination. I could have swore there was another one.... with Charlie Chaplin. But.... I can't seem to find any reference too it any more.

A certain IDW Creative Director is at this weeks 2D, hopefully he'll have brought along some Dredd stuff to admire. Any questions let me know (although no arsey 'IDW interior art is gash' type ones eh?)..

Personally I'll be repeating to him 100 times 'see that PJ Holden over there kissing mammies and their babies... you want him on art duties.....'

I'm not keen on the crossover idea [spoiler]but I actually rather liked that artwork.[/spoiler]

The art ain't brilliant, but I've seen worse. Even in our favourite publication. Recently enough.
Good art or not, I probably wouldn't be too into this comic.
Amusingly, I've just read on Bleedingcool that this is top of the charts on iBooks. What do we know, eh?

One final point RE IDW interior art- Gabriel Rodriguez is for my money one of the top 5 comic book artists currently working in the business.

Quote from: The Adventurer on 30 May, 2012, 09:37:27 PM
Turns out he only did one. Doctor Who: Time Machination. I could have swore there was another one.... with Charlie Chaplin. But.... I can't seem to find any reference too it any more.

It's Al Davison on art duties on the Charlie Chaplin strip, Paul Grist has drawn a lot of the covers. He also drew a 2 parter in the Doctor Who Magazine.

filip 

Yeah, that arts quite poor but I've seen worse. I think the fact that it's stylistically evocative of Alex Ross is what really draws attention to the inadequacies of the draughtsmanship. It's the old chestnut of looking at how the artist draws hands being very revealing isn't it?

There's no excuse for those terrible covers though.

The art, from that small preview, looks amazing.  I'm genuinely shocked people don't like that beautiful painted work.

Its not that 'beautiful' I mean. Its competent I guess. Its no Alex Ross (at his peak)


There's been this sort of wave of 'painted' style artwork running through comics lately (mostly at Marvel) that just doesn't appeal to me. There's to much emphases on getting character likenesses to look like 'real people' (in particular where licensed comics are concerned) that it takes all the dynamic aspect of cartooning out of comic art. It just doesn't appeal to me.


Like I mentioned earlier, Jeff Moy (who you might say has a more 'animated' style) drew Star Trek/Legion of Super-Heroes a few months ago. Rather then laboring over the likenesses of Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner they just drew Spock and Kirk, and you knew who they were just fine.

EX: (http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4084/startreklegionpp2.jpg)

That's definitely more what I'm looking for in my epic cross-over adventure comic.

Quote from: starscape on 31 May, 2012, 09:34:13 AM
The art, from that small preview, looks amazing.  I'm genuinely shocked people don't like that beautiful painted work.

The anatomy is bad - look at that hand! - and the backgrounds are weak too. Dodgy perspectives all round.

That's LoSH is far inferior art for me.  In fact, this is the kind of art that stops me buying most comics these days.  It looks like a cartoon storyboard, rather than more realistic art I prefer.

Different strokes. Its good that both styles can co-exist. And I can understand how one or the other can ruin another's good times depending on their tastes.

Personally I find 'realistic' paint styles to be lifeless and devoid of any sense of motion. Which makes it a dull affair. But that may just be me.

Stylistic preferences aside, anyone with a basic understanding of anatomy, staging, storytelling, perspective and environments can see that on a purely technical level, the Moy page is vastly superior to the painted one.

Quote from: radiator on 31 May, 2012, 10:12:42 AM

Quote from: starscape on 31 May, 2012, 09:34:13 AM
The art, from that small preview, looks amazing.  I'm genuinely shocked people don't like that beautiful painted work.

The anatomy is bad - look at that hand! - and the backgrounds are weak too. Dodgy perspectives all round.

Just look at the monorail* in the first panel.  That was enough for me.  The only passable bits were just the artist tracing photos of (presumably) himself gurning in the foreground.

Having no artistic ability whatsoever I usually stop short of criticising comics art, except where I feel it fails to tell a story effectively or grossly offends me with identical porn faces, but this just does not do it for me.  Plenty of talent in evidence, but a lot more practice needed.








*The cosmic ballet goes on.

Yep - that monorail looks like it's emerging from a hole in the ground.

Quote from: The Adventurer on 31 May, 2012, 10:26:17 AM
Different strokes. Its good that both styles can co-exist. And I can understand how one or the other can ruin another's good times depending on their tastes.

Personally I find 'realistic' paint styles to be lifeless and devoid of any sense of motion. Which makes it a dull affair. But that may just be me.

That's basically the problem I have with Alex Ross. I don't mind him as a cover artist, but his interior stuff has always disappointed for the reasons described above. It always reads to me like a series of posed portraits rather than a sequential narrative.

I don't think criticism of the originators of American Dredd material should be allowed on this forum.  This is a place that should surely be more in line with the majority opinion?

Paul Grist also dabbled in the dr who universe by writing and drawing a considerable chunk of titan's 'torchwood: rift war' trade collection, along with d'israeli. Worth picking up even if tw isnt your thing.

SBT

Quote from: Goosegash on 31 May, 2012, 01:14:27 PM
It always reads to me like a series of posed portraits rather than a sequential narrative.

They have Ross we have Langley ;)

Quote from: The Adventurer on 31 May, 2012, 10:26:17 AMPersonally I find 'realistic' paint styles to be lifeless and devoid of any sense of motion. Which makes it a dull affair. But that may just be me.

I don't think I have a preference in such broad styles, just about any style can be done well or not. Painterly styles can be rather stiff and lacking in dynamism because the push to more photo-realistic art often needs a lot of photo-referencing which can, if not handled well, lead to those problems. If you look at some of the extras on Kingdom Come it gives a breakdown of how Ross does his art, which seems to involve him and his friends standing around in poses that he paints over. That doesn't mean all painterly styles need suffer these problems.

Granted if you are going the linework route you can take advantage of "cartooning" tricks to get more movement in your work but again a poor artist can deliver some less than exciting work.

They've altered the cover of issue 3 and ruined it...

http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/2012/star-trekdoctor-who-assimilation2-issue-3/ (http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/2012/star-trekdoctor-who-assimilation2-issue-3/)

Well i'll be waiting for a collected edition as I missed issue 1.  :lol:
Looking at issue 3 my heart sanck when I saw the flash back was 'drawn' by The Sharp Brothers. >:(

Quote from: M.I.K. on 24 July, 2012, 03:32:26 PM
They've altered the cover of issue 3 and ruined it...

http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/2012/star-trekdoctor-who-assimilation2-issue-3/ (http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/2012/star-trekdoctor-who-assimilation2-issue-3/)

I rarely criticise art but seriously, wtf?






Our own boys & girls at Zarjaz kick the shit out of this^, and they do it for free.

I think we can charitably call it piss poor at best. Buttonman can do better in paint, with or without piss stains.

I think they were trying to make the flashbacks look like something that was drawn in the original Trek era, like an old comic or the animated series or whatever. They've not done a very good job of it, though.

IT was the middle panel I found amusing. No the art, just the art in relation to what they're actually saying. I.e. A shuttle on the ground.

SCOTTY: Looking clear for landing, captain.
KIRK: Take us down Scotty.

Did the artist read the description? Or maybe he'd already drawn it when the writer came up with the dialogue. (I understand some comic creators, particularly the Marvel method,  actually do that.) Either way it looks like someone on the team wasn't quite paying attention to what the others were doing.

I didn't see much wrong with the artwork itself. Not great, but it had a very original series Star Trek vibe to it.