....or will the money-men at DC MAKE it happen.
I've always loved the Avengers as a kid and I loved the movie and Joss Whedon's script as an adult. People reckon they have been surprised by the record-setting figures set by the takings and opening box office figures for The Avengers. But it's no surprise really when you had a number of films leading up to the Avengers film being the essential focus - a very longwinded hype and marketing campaign you could say.
But even as a kid I didn't like the DC's equivalent - the Justice League, though I did like some of the superheroes individually. I have always thought that Superman's godlike alien powers based in Metropolis should never be set alongside or in the same universe as Batman's human struggle as a billionaire turned masked vigilante confined to Gotham. How could such a mix of heroes really play out on the battle field? Some can see how it could work, I cannot.
Even though I think Ryan reynolds is wooden and the script wasnt exactly great I have to say I did like the Green Lantern movie, but I can't imagine how DVD could make whole individual movies showcasing the likes of Aquaman, Cyborg, Wonderwoman or Flash (again). The problem is heroes like Wonderwoman and Aquaman seem very dated. To make these heroes work well together they would have to reinvent Batman and give him alot of technological advantages (ahem....iron man....cough) and make characters like aquaman, and wonderwoman alot less like their dated comic book origins and more alien and mysterious.
Quote from: judgeblake on 16 July, 2012, 02:34:59 PM
Even though I think Ryan reynolds is wooden and the script wasnt exactly great I have to say I did like the Green Lantern movie, but I can't imagine how DVD could make whole individual movies showcasing the likes of Aquaman, Cyborg, Wonderwoman or Flash (again). The problem is heroes like Wonderwoman and Aquaman seem very dated. To make these heroes work well together they would have to reinvent Batman and give him alot of technological advantages (ahem....iron man....cough) and make characters like aquaman, and wonderwoman alot less like their dated comic book origins and more alien and mysterious.
It could work - Superman's more of a front-line powerhouse while Bats is more ofa thinker, backed up by cool gadgets. So while Supe's kicking the crap out of the bad guys, Batman would be sneaking in through the ventilation shafts to hack their computer system to bits.
Not sure how they'd tackle a new Flash or WW movie - I wasn't that impressed by Green Lantern. Aquaman and Cyborg you could potentially relegate to Black Widow / Hawkeye status by just introducing them in other films.
There's that Justice League cartoon series - which has been a mainstay of the viewing of an entire generation of kids, and the several Batman/Superman team-ups in the preceding Batman and Superman tv shows - to check out if you're having difficulty with the whole "how can Superman and Batman exist in the same world?" concept.
Otherwise Grant Morrison showed how JLA could work for non-comics fans back in the late 1990s and Mark Millar's Ultimates was still trading on Morrison's ideas a decade after GM left the title. Seeing as how Ultimates, a comic book that sold less than 100 thousand copies to comic nerds was supposedly the single reason Avengers was a success in the cinema rather than the millions of dollars, thousands of man hours and years of production experience invested in six other smash hit films, one would imagine a film version of JLA is a no-brainer. Fair play about Wonder WOman being a dated character, though, but that's more DC not knowing what to do with her. Yes, there was that successful tv series that people still talk about and sing the theme tune and dress up as the star and buy dvds of, but it was campy, dammit, and camp (ie: gay) is not what superheroes are about.
Superheroes are about grim people doing grim things in grim settings with raspy voices. Also they are a bit like Jesus.
I think a Justice League film is possible and whilst characters like Batman,WW,Superman etc are main players DC, have a whole list of characters they could use instead of the above and use virtual unkowns/ new comers to the business.
Not that i'm suggesting they do...BUT they could
I think one of the problems DC face is there lack of character base atm (film wise) you have christian bale finishing his term as BM would he reprise the role for a team film? Henry Cavill as Superman atm were unaware of how the reboot will fair BUT i have him in my virtual unkown list.
Then we have Ryan Reynolds as Hal Jordan there has been talk and rumour about a 2nd green lantern offering,will it happen who know's.
Adrianne Palicki's Wonder Woman never came to anything.........
I see Christian Bale's Batman as The Avenger's Iron Man Plus he's a bif known name to please would be backers of the film
Ryan Reynold's and Henry Cavill both have a film or nearly a film each under their belt's like Thor
Which leaves Wonder Woman as a virtual unknown
Now DC already have enemies either coming up or in past films (Zod,Sinestro) if you disregard BM's past enemies....I'd love to see the sinestro storyline followed on from Green Lantern. Plus i don't know what if anything will happen to Zod in the new superman film.
Though again repeating the above DC have a lot of good and bad charcters they could exploit and personally i'd love to see both the Flash and Martian Manhunter explored.
With Superman, Jono (or whatever his name is) the martian hunter, and Green Lantern all having their power origins invested in alien life and outer space I would have an alien threat as something a potential Justice League movie would have to deal with.
Another problem may be that the people at marvel have already guessed as to how they can beat a DC JLA movie to the punch, as they have a Guardians of the Galaxy movie in the works, as well as [spoiler]the big alien bad Thanos flashing his ugly mug at the end of the Avengers.[/spoiler]
Before a JL/JLA movie they would have to get some more Hero platform movies under their belts as you have said. Perhaps a Wonderwoman movie? a flash movie? Green Lantern 2? and of course a revitalised 'to fit' batman movie with a new actor.
I'd go for the Geffen/DeMatteis Justice League International take on the franchise with a lot of tongue in cheek humour and some of the lesser lights getting a look - Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Guy Gardener and Power Girl.
Probably lose Supes - with him about who needs the rest? It always seemed strange that when having a scrap they always paired off to fight baddies of just about equal strength - you never saw Batman taking a punch off Doomsday or Darkseid.
Quote from: judgeblake on 16 July, 2012, 07:51:37 PM
With Superman, Jono (or whatever his name is) the martian hunter, and Green Lantern all having their power origins invested in alien life and outer space I would have an alien threat as something a potential Justice League movie would have to deal with.
Another problem may be that the people at marvel have already guessed as to how they can beat a DC JLA movie to the punch, as they have a Guardians of the Galaxy movie in the works, as well as [spoiler]the big alien bad Thanos flashing his ugly mug at the end of the Avengers.[/spoiler]
Before a JL/JLA movie they would have to get some more Hero platform movies under their belts as you have said. Perhaps a Wonderwoman movie? a flash movie? Green Lantern 2? and of course a revitalised 'to fit' batman movie with a new actor.
Which is where some one like sinestro fit's in he can be used like loki to try and pull something alien off to have JL/JLA/JLE combat the problem lie's in the fact that Marvel have done that with Avenger's do DC want to used a siliar story line...yes it's tried and proven with the box office.
But again Marvel had already laid a somewhat solid base with Iron Man and to some extend Captain America/Thor DC atm don't really have that bar Bat Man but again if this is truely the last for Bale and Nolan there isn'r much of a foundation unless henry Cavill take's on the mantle
Quote from: Buttonman on 16 July, 2012, 08:02:03 PM
I'd go for the Geffen/DeMatteis Justice League International take on the franchise with a lot of tongue in cheek humour and some of the lesser lights getting a look - Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Guy Gardener and Power Girl.
Probably lose Supes - with him about who needs the rest? It always seemed strange that when having a scrap they always paired off to fight baddies of just about equal strength - you never saw Batman taking a punch off Doomsday or Darkseid.
Apology's for the typo's just bashing key's atm.
See there was rumour off Blue Beetle yet nothing more atm :(
Booster Gold is win win in imho as he is human and his powers are from his suit again putting in the human but flawed character a little like Iron Man
Guy Gardener there's already a Green Lantern universe introduce Via Green Lantern so again there is a partial foundation there
Power Girl now we get to it i'd love to see some one fill in that costume so bad,but if SuperMan was to be avoided because with him theres no need for anyone else then the same could be said of Pg as much as it pains me to say that. And to some extend Wonder Woman to
Quote from: klute on 16 July, 2012, 08:02:13 PM
But again Marvel had already laid a somewhat solid base with Iron Man and to some extend Captain America/Thor DC atm don't really have that bar Bat Man but again if this is truely the last for Bale and Nolan there isn'r much of a foundation unless henry Cavill take's on the mantle
Bale likely won't be back as Batman, [spoiler][/spoiler]but there could well be a new screen 'Batman' by the end of Dark Knight Rises[/spoiler]
Quote from: Link Prime on 16 July, 2012, 11:01:12 PM
Bale likely won't be back as Batman, but there could well be a new screen 'Batman' by the end of Dark Knight Rises
Cue lots of disgruntled posts "a reboot so soon? Dark Knight rises was just a year* ago."
While I'm not a fan of reboots, I wouldn't mind another batman set in a less gritty** realistic world. (And in such a case would it be a reboot or just another take on the batman story. I think I'd like something tonally somewhere between the Burton films and Nolan's versions.)
I think it would be best to actually introduce him in the JLA film though rather than start with a stand alone film, partly because of possibly unfair comparisons. Or just do a JLA film with other characters as others have said. There are plenty to pick from.
*Actually I'd think it would be longer than that.
**Ugh. That word is so overused, and I've just typed it.
Im with the Giffen Dematteis version as a starting point. Always liked batman and guy gardeners relationship how gardener would regularly get sonned by bats and even the other superpowered leaguers would approach batman with respect or trepidation. if you havent then check the first two volumes of justice league international. archaic phone responsible for of punctuation etc
Personally - as far as Batman films goes - I'd love 2 seperate films 1) a batman film that is more commercial in script and aesthetic and less gritty tieing in to the inevitable JLA team up movie extravaganza and 2) an extremely dark gritty Batman film directed by someone controversial that focuses on an old batman perhaps - and old man forced out of retirement by the evil that men do.
As for [spoiler]the possible openended reboot possibility that may or maynot be at the end of Dark Knight Rises I have no idea but I have heard that same rumour[/spoiler]. What I do know is that it is in the public domain that Nolan would be happy to stay on another Batman film/reboot as producer, even after Bale has left.
Quote from: Buttonman on 16 July, 2012, 08:02:03 PM
I'd go for the Geffen/DeMatteis Justice League International take on the franchise with a lot of tongue in cheek humour and some of the lesser lights getting a look - Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Guy Gardener and Power Girl.
Probably lose Supes - with him about who needs the rest? It always seemed strange that when having a scrap they always paired off to fight baddies of just about equal strength - you never saw Batman taking a punch off Doomsday or Darkseid.
I think Doomsday is surely being lined up for some sort of DC venture whether superman sequel or not - that death of superman arc back in - the 90s was it? - was brilliant. I also love the idea of including Guy Gardner in the mix - possibly in a Green Lantern sequel?
They should just have let George Miller make it like he was supposed to a few years ago.