I am reminded of that infamous scene in ultimate fantastic four in which Reed is tricked into visiting what he thinks is the real marvel universe.
Then zombie reed says EVER GET THE FEELING YOU'VE BEEN HAD?
Did not see the twist until too late. I liked it generally some bonkers bits and running around too much but it kept me watching. And Dinosaurs on a spaceship next week.
That was a pretty entertaining episode.
Criticisms are:
1. Not sure it made much sense. Why would the force field only be operable from within? How do they get the Daleks actually into the wards if the best they can do is shoot them at the planet via a big beam?
2. The character of Oswyn was rather overwritten and quite irritating.
Honestly? Ive not enjoyed Dr Who in years, and certainly not since moffat and smith took over- but that, THAT, was magnificent. It would have been magnificeny if it had just been the new companion's first episode/backstory, had mad daleks and loads of daleks, and skaro and all that... but it had zombies in it too, so automatically is 50% better than it would have been otherwise. Just... Magnificent.
SBT
Saturday nights are complete again.
Bags of fun. My daughter and I watched it together, and it was just the right level of creepy. There were shocks and a big twist, plus lots of running around.
I am so incredibly relieved that Doctor Who is back.
Have to watch on i player again... at least I feel like watching it again...
3 annoying things:
Perky, perky, friends style, flirty, flirty... River Song was enough thanks. I prefer it when people talked like people, not like people on TV.
Daleks new command set up - no wonder they cant ever take over the universe - Dalek Emperor, Dalek Supreme, Emperor Dalek, now a prime minister... make up your minds Daleks...
Predator... why give him a new nickname? one he hasnt heard of before... and deleting the Daleks memory of the Doctor is presumably only for any Daleks he meets after that point in time...?
Good things : Erm, deleting the Daleks memory of the Doctor... I know, contrary or what.
Matt Smith as always
New not new assistant was a lot better than expected, despite annoying point one.
loved it nice and creepy but didnt see many classic daleks seemed too focused on the bronze ones unless i missed them other than being background clutter spent a good portion of the episode viewing minis bum as when she gets excited/scared she stands up and gets closer to the telly (better door than a window). is the new companion going to be a before she was a dalek companion or is it all a red herring?
rory and amy maritals patched up far too quickly.
mini mog doubly excited by the dinosaurs...i'm taping it so i can watch it child free hd.
A fantastic opener and has me wondering what the importance of memory will be on the rest of the series; The Dr telling Amy to make them remember who she was before they were teleported down and Oswin, grinning to the camera as she sacrifices herself tells The Dr to remember her? Had me thinking of the Weeping Angels two parter- when The Dr told us all to watch his jacket before slipping out of it...
I can't describe how happy I am they got rid of Davies when they did. I mean, if he was still in charge, we probably would have had an opening episode by now were everybody was taking diet pills that were in fact aliens of some kind and before it had even aired, he would have stated in an interview that the whole purpose of said episode wasn't to give people a taste of what was to come but to hopefully sell merchandise such as backpacks based on the design of these aliens.
Oh wait...
I absolutely lOVED the episode... but
Quotethat the whole purpose of said episode wasn't to give people a taste of what was to come but to hopefully sell merchandise such as backpacks based on the design of these aliens.
When I saw the dead dudes with coats my first thought was "that's odd, how can they make a toy out of some dead guys - they look cool, but they're just normal corpses..."
Then [spoiler]They grew the eye ball and I thought "oh... like THAT!"[/spoiler]
Quote from: mogzilla on 01 September, 2012, 09:29:55 PM
loved it nice and creepy but didnt see many classic daleks seemed too focused on the bronze ones unless i missed them other than being background clutter spent a good portion of the episode viewing minis bum as when she gets excited/scared she stands up and gets closer to the telly (better door than a window). is the new companion going to be a before she was a dalek companion or is it all a red herring?
rory and amy maritals patched up far too quickly.
mini mog doubly excited by the dinosaurs...i'm taping it so i can watch it child free hd.
The new companion said she wanted to see the stars and crashed on her first trip (and didn't know who The Dr was) so it'll be interesting to see what's going to happen here.
Quote from: Charlie boy on 01 September, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
Quote from: mogzilla on 01 September, 2012, 09:29:55 PM
loved it nice and creepy but didnt see many classic daleks seemed too focused on the bronze ones unless i missed them other than being background clutter spent a good portion of the episode viewing minis bum as when she gets excited/scared she stands up and gets closer to the telly (better door than a window). is the new companion going to be a before she was a dalek companion or is it all a red herring?
rory and amy maritals patched up far too quickly.
mini mog doubly excited by the dinosaurs...i'm taping it so i can watch it child free hd.
The new companion said she wanted to see the stars and crashed on her first trip (and didn't know who The Dr was) so it'll be interesting to see what's going to happen here.
This reply should have the quote below, sorry. Couldn't seem to get it up properly. They could indeed make (cool) toys based on those characters but, unlike the Davies episode I pulled attention to and the interview were he admitted the whole point of the creatures was to sell a huge amount of backpacks etc, they were used in a very creepy and well written scene. By all means- make toys etc based on memorable scenes, but a writer shouldn't go into something thinking "Plot and development comes after merchandise."
Unless said writer is George Lucas or Russel T. Davies.
Quote from: pauljholden on 01 September, 2012, 10:26:26 PM
I absolutely lOVED the episode... but
Quotethat the whole purpose of said episode wasn't to give people a taste of what was to come but to hopefully sell merchandise such as backpacks based on the design of these aliens.
When I saw the dead dudes with coats my first thought was "that's odd, how can they make a toy out of some dead guys - they look cool, but they're just normal corpses..."
Then [spoiler]They grew the eye ball and I thought "oh... like THAT!"[/spoiler]
Quote from: Charlie boy on 01 September, 2012, 10:33:12 PM
They could indeed make (cool) toys based on those characters but, unlike the Davies episode I pulled attention to and the interview were he admitted the whole point of the creatures was to sell a huge amount of backpacks etc, they were used in a very creepy and well written scene. By all means- make toys etc based on memorable scenes, but a writer shouldn't go into something thinking "Plot and development comes after merchandise."
Unless said writer is George Lucas or Russel T. Davies.
Um... any chance of a link to, or a direct quote of, the interview where Davies says the adipose were created "to sell backpacks"? That really doesn't sound like something he'd say- at least not when there's someone recording him. I think you may be misquoting him, or may have misunderstood his point.
SBT
Unfortunately my Googling to try and find this is bringing up various filler but I remember him saying outright once he saw the design of these creatures, he was excited because he knew they could be backpacks, pencil cases and various other things like this. It was this statement that had me thinking it was truly time for him to go. The episode itself was awful but hoping to sell merchandise off of it (I think the design only made it to squeezable stress-relief items) made it all the worse for me.
Agree completely regarding the quality of that episode- it, and entire series it came from (except 'midnight' and 'turn left') were when my interest in nuwho died, having been prepared to give it the benefit of the doubt up to that point. With few exceptions, ive not enjoyed dr who since. However you feel about him though, with RTD it's all about the writing. He's a supremely confident writer who believes in what he does and for whom its very important others believe he believes in it, aware as he always was that the livelihoods of hundreds of tv people depended on him, not to mention any 'service to the show's history', which as a fan, he felt keenly- which is why he sometimes blustered fanstic bullshit about dr who and why i find it unlikely he would say what you claim. More likely that once he saw the mill's little adipose in action the merchandise opportunities became obvious, and he was merely celebrating that.
But im happy to be proven wrong by the man's words.
SBT
I thought it was an OK-ish episode, I loved the dalek zombies and the whole idea of the asylum but that girl was just so incredibly annoying that it really detracted from the episode. If she is to be the new companion then I hope that it's not that actual character and this was just the same actress playing somebody different like they did with earlier companions, I don't think I could stand watching her in it otherwise.
'If'...?
She is definitely the actress portraying the new companion. Freema & Karen both played a different charcter first, so Jenna might too.
Though I disagree, I liked her in this. Yes, I too would like less Soap Opera in my Who. Less pointless running. More plot.
However I like the new stuff, lots to like in it.
Good point: The Dalek mind-wipe leaves room for Davros to be elevated to his rightful position as Dalek Mastermind. He will remember the Doctors
Bad point: Removing Dalek species control. They've always exterminated inferior Daleks. They had a civil war over it. Heck, in the last Dalek story to this, the new Daleks exterminated their saviours for being inferior. So, WTF with the asylum? It could as easily have been a Dalek base, and the Daleks unwilling to go toe-to-toe with someone so obviously great at resisiting the Daleks.
Quote from: Rog69 on 02 September, 2012, 08:59:17 AM
that girl was just so incredibly annoying that it really detracted from the episode. If she is to be the new companion then I hope that it's not that actual character and this was just the same actress playing somebody different like they did with earlier companions, I don't think I could stand watching her in it otherwise.
This is one of the things I'm curious about; a lot of people who had been watching future episodes being filmed went online to say they had heard the character being called 'Clara' or something similar. I can't say I was too impressed by her acting myself but that was practically forgotten as soon as it was revealed the girl in line to be the next companion was actually- well, you know if you've seen it...
You've got to hand it to them tho- they've got you wondering what is going to happen next.
Quote from: Leigh S on 01 September, 2012, 08:52:18 PM
Perky, perky, friends style, flirty, flirty... River Song was enough thanks. I prefer it when people talked like people, not like people on TV.
So completely this. Mind if you are going to have an infuriatingly perky new companion she might was well be the other perky as well I guess.
Also the continued degradation of the Daleks as enemies. All the good work of 'Dalek' has been undone and so much more. The Cybermen are a joke these days, the Daleks aren't too far off now. History repeats. Shame.
Still having said all that I did enjoy the episode and the twist was great. There was a moment (having seen that there were big spoilers to be avoided and having avoided them) when I thought it was Romana in there, she was always smarter than the Doctor. Thank God my fanboy wank doesn't come to be! I really enjoyed the Rory, Amy sub plot, very nice. Also some nice visual stuff. Good fun all round and nice to have it back.
Are the Daleks really degraded by this episode though? They get exactly what they want (the planet destroyed), they're all in one piece at the end (apart from the doomed reject ones) and even said damaged loony specimens are still capable of reducing the Doctor to a helpless screaming fit not a million miles away from the Ninth Doctor's reaction in 'Dalek'. What's more, they've now got the ability to command undead servants and even the weird dancing sequence succeeds in making them rather scary. I think they come out of it pretty well.
Quote from: Greg M. on 02 September, 2012, 09:05:55 PM
Are the Daleks really degraded by this episode though? They get exactly what they want (the planet destroyed), they're all in one piece at the end (apart from the doomed reject ones) and even said damaged loony specimens are still capable of reducing the Doctor to a helpless screaming fit not a million miles away from the Ninth Doctor's reaction in 'Dalek'. What's more, they've now got the ability to command undead servants and even the weird dancing sequence succeeds in making them rather scary. I think they come out of it pretty well.
The fact there are of course right but I see it very differently. The Doctor and companions surrounded by Daleks, all of whom are impotent, for their own reason and choice but still impotent. They turn their eyes away from the Doctor in shame at their own fear. Muted, battered daleks, however in story and explained failing to exterminate. Human spirit, of a genius or whomever, overcoming the Dalek 'hivemind' with apparent ease. At the end the Doctor once again laughing in the face of his most feared enemy.
The overall impression on a far more viseral level was for me of Daleks offering no real menace.
On the contrary- I think the daleks have gone a long way towards recapturing that brilliant 'imperial' feel they had in the 60s, with a galaxy-wide all-conquering empire, a parliament, various different factions and 'races' within the species, and mention of (oh my heart!) Kembel and Vulcan. Human agents! Turning corpses into puppets! This is the daleks I love- it'll be slythers and varga plants next!
Did you notice those fantastic black plastic uniforms the dalek agents were wearing in the parliament scenes? I almost cried- it was the ISS all over again, crossed with the movie robomen. Beautiful.
SBT
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 02 September, 2012, 09:41:21 PM
The overall impression on a far more viseral level was for me of Daleks offering no real menace.
It's a fair interpretation, and true, the Doctor gets to chalk up a kind of victory and head off cheerfully, but when they had him cornered in the asylum, he was absolutely terrified, and if he's scared, aren't we scared? I'd maintain that scene alone gave them back some of the menace they've not had since 'Dalek'. True, it is undermined a little by the casual way in which Oswin (anagram of Win-OS, as I've since seen suggested?) is able to delete stuff out of their neural net, but still, I came away from the episode with a renewed sense that the Daleks are actually quite frightening. Even when seemingly impotent, we see their sly, devious, manipulative side emerge, much as it did in 'Dalek' (and as was more pronounced in the Hartnell and Troughton eras.) I find them much more menacing with this insidious quality to their personalities - they're not just killing machines, but twisted, grandiose, and flat-out nasty.
I don't agree the Daleks are being degraded so much as they are "recurring" - if any enemy shows up enough times they'll become less scary purely because the heroes keep beating them. Like zombies or draculas, I mean, when was the last time either of those were scary rather than camp?
This was a pretty decent episode of Deep Space Nine, and a good episode of Doctor Who, too. I mention DS9 deliberately as because of the similarity to an episode of that show, the twist occurred to me rather sooner than was ideal (when the Doctor first talks to Oswin in the Dalek parliament room) and it rather undermined some of the rest of the episode. Not sure about having so much emo stuff, but I guess it keeps the female viewers happy or something and it doesn't really get in the way, so why not?
Just watched this on catch-up. Bloody brilliant.
Matt Smith was totally The Doctor - probably number two on my all time list. It was creepy, scary, clever & exciting. The chick was very, very hot indeed & the twist was genuinely moving.
Top-marks all round.
Yes a very good episode. I'll admit to wondering:
a) Why the daleks could transport folk down to the planet through the forcefield, but not destroy it with weapons. (Mind you, maybe the force field is someting like the energy shields used by the Gungans and seperatist forces in The Phantom Menace/Clone Wars respecitvely. I.e. ward off energy attack but allow people and physical objects to pass through.
b) Why, when the lady removed all memory of The Doctor from the daleks, did those insane daleks then just leave him alone? I can understand that he would no longer be the priority, the great feared enemy to exterminate, but don't the daleks hate all life but themselves? They'd have just killed him anyway wouldn't they?
A thoroughly interesting episode though.
The Tips household liked this and this was backed up by a scientific poll (asking another 12 year old) and the consensus was great.
Gaping great holes in the basic set up (like how did the Starliner get through the shield?) which may or may not come back later in series (like the jacket) but after that it was great.
Souffle indeed. [spoiler]"Eggs... stir... mins... eight"[/spoiler]
Quote from: Professah Byah on 02 September, 2012, 10:13:17 PM
I don't agree the Daleks are being degraded so much as they are "recurring" - if any enemy shows up enough times they'll become less scary purely because the heroes keep beating them. Like zombies or draculas, I mean, when was the last time either of those were scary rather than camp?
This was a pretty decent episode of Deep Space Nine, and a good episode of Doctor Who, too. I mention DS9 deliberately as because of the similarity to an episode of that show, the twist occurred to me rather sooner than was ideal (when the Doctor first talks to Oswin in the Dalek parliament room) and it rather undermined some of the rest of the episode. Not sure about having so much emo stuff, but I guess it keeps the female viewers happy or something and it doesn't really get in the way, so why not?
I'm struggling to remember that one (DS9) but possibly for the same reason it reminded me of Soure Code.
The whole Dalek presence is a tricky one; Moffat pointed out when he took over that they're The Dr's most defeated enemies and he joked that when The Dr turns up, the Dalek's most think it's time to leave because he always beats them. He used this point before the last series aired and said the Dalek's would be taking a break for a while because people must be getting tired of them being wheeled on to make an appearance, which had quite a few fans complaining on various forums. All trickery of course cos in the final episode you had The Dr walking down what was clearly a ruined ship to the remains of a beaten Dalek as he gave a speech about seeing the devil. For me that scene worked well- it brought the Daleks into the series after all but only in a brief scene because how The Dr had defeated the Daleks wasn't central to the bigger story.
The use of The Daleks in this opening episode also worked well in my humble opinion, however. The whole idea of the Dalek's defense of turning other lifeforms into Daleks is good to use at a later date, there was a "who won here then?" feel for the end, the previously mentioned Amy and the dancers scene was very David Lynch like and creepy and as for the Daleks having no memory of The Dr has you wondering how they'll be acting now when going into battle seeing as they have no 'fear/respect' of sorts for him. All this indeed in an episode were the Daleks were "wheeled on" to get their much demanded obligatory episode!
Sorry for rambling on but yeah- maybe it would be for the best now if they went missing for a while; less is more etc and it leaves us viewers wondering what they're up to. Their screen time could be used to introduce new creatures or to improve other enemies, such as the earlier mentioned cybermen.
Finally got to watch it. Overall I thought it was a really good episode. I hate the fact that Daleks have about the same shooting accuracy as a company of Stormtroopers. Daleks should be more dangerous than that. Even old ones.
Quote from: Judge von Boom on 03 September, 2012, 02:59:07 PM
I hate the fact that Daleks have about the same shooting accuracy as a company of Stormtroopers.
I believe it was Homer Simpson who said: "It's funny cos it's true."
:)
Quote from: Charlie boy on 03 September, 2012, 02:41:04 PM
Their screen time could be used to introduce new creatures or to improve other enemies, such as the earlier mentioned cybermen.
The Cybermen are really adrift at the moment: unlike the Daleks, they made their new Who debut in a poor story that limited their potential and have struggled to make much of an impact since. They badly need to get back to what made them an enduring archetype, but a lot of their creepier traits (conversion of others, for instance) have been incorporated into the Daleks, leaving them a little redundant. They need a good story that zeroes in on what makes them unique – their perfectionism, devotion to machine evolution, and disdain for the sheer irrelevance of human experience. I know there's a limit to how physically destructive they can be (don't think we'll be getting a 'Lytton's hands' scene ever again) but I wouldn't mind seeing them played a bit nastier.
The big mistake with the Cyberman was bringing them back to the series by introducing a parallel universe version of them. I can't see why there was any real need to do that. Surely just bringing back the real universe Cybermen right from the start would have been far more effective.
It took me a while to remember what the big secret was ripped of, er, homaged from. Or it may be a coincidence.
Anyway it's Lisa's death from the first Silent Hill! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqbbwmdTizw&list=FL9DoJMkTnPOIA8AxltRYNLg&index=11&feature=plpp_video) - didn't know she was dead/a Dalek until she gets told. Do I get a prize?
Well I enjoyed that, but I found the new girl very annoying. Three different reviews in various papers all give her different names - Oswin, Clara Oswin (ie same person?) or Oswin Oswald. Didn't have time to pick out the usual plot holes 'cos I was desperately scanning for different types of Dalek throughout! Zombie Dalekoids - now that's pretty damn cool!
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 September, 2012, 07:20:30 PM
Three different reviews in various papers all give her different names - Oswin, Clara Oswin (ie same person?) or Oswin Oswald.
Her name was given in the episode as Oswin Oswald in the episode. The new companion has previously been announced as Clara Oswin - and some have made the leap to them bing the same person.
As this is Who that may not be the case...
This episode wasn't for me. So now people can at any moment be revealed to be an automaton, a doppelgänger, a tardis, another character's future offspring, a piloted body-ship, and now a Dalek... too much magic; just seems like anything goes.
Quote from: Mudcrab on 03 September, 2012, 01:21:56 PMI'm struggling to remember that one (DS9) but possibly for the same reason it reminded me of Soure Code.
Haven't watched Source Code yet, but the DS9 ep was The Sound Of Her Voice, which had a twist I didn't see coming because it wasn't a twist-y story up until that point, it was just the usual talky Trek stuff. Though thinking back, that twist was the twist from the end of Les Maîtres du Temps.
Anyway, memories of that and thinking it's an odd shape of a room made a connection for me. Still a good ep.
I'm not fussy but that was one of my favorite episodes the last couple of seasons. Nice, creepy and pretty self contained, i picked Oswins condition pretty quickly but it was still a shock that she was in a dalek i though she was in the Mainframe or something. God damn she is a pretty lady though and glad we'll see more of the same actress even if its not the same character, i had a thought that maybe the Doctor would pick her up earlier in her time line as she was going on about how she wanted to explore space and her first trip got her stuck there maybe he'll take pity and pick her up earlier in her life (though may cause timey wimey problems with her death already established but im sure Mophett can write his way around it).
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I thought it was a great episode.
Quotehow did the Starliner get through the shield?
Maybe the shield is the reason it crashed.
I definitely enjoyed this episode, but for me the best Cyberman/Dalek episode of the new series will always be the Canary Wharf one ('Doomsday'):
Cyberman: Our technologies are compatible, though your design is less elegant.
Dalek Thay: Daleks have no concept of elegance!
Cyberman: This is obvious.
Later on:
Cyber Leader: Daleks, be warned. You have declared war upon the Cybermen.
Dalek Sec: This is not war - this is pest control!
Cyber Leader: We have five million Cybermen. How many are you?
Dalek Sec: Four.
Cyber Leader: You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?
Dalek Sec: We would destroy the Cybermen with one Dalek! You are superior in only one respect.
Cyber Leader: What is that?
Dalek Sec: You are better at dying.
:lol:
Quote from: Richard on 05 September, 2012, 11:32:09 PM
I thought it was a great episode.
Quotehow did the Starliner get through the shield?
Maybe the shield is the reason it crashed.
The starliner did not reach planet's surface - only the small escape pods did. It was established that the force field is permeable to small objects early on.
The thing with this episode was that the Daleks were lying through their teeth (mouth tentacles?) in the early exposition: the force field wasn't made to be turned off only from the planet, Oswin had hacked it. The planet wasn't fully automated as Oswin had spent a year destroying its systems. Their main aim was to destroy Oswin, not to "save the Daleks", etc.
Just saw this last night, enjoyed it, but though the end was a bit weak, I'd hoped she was to be a highly brainy dalek who thought it was human hence being in the dalek nuthouse
Quote from: Dudley on 06 September, 2012, 11:05:07 AMThe thing with this episode was that the Daleks were lying through their teeth (mouth tentacles?) in the early exposition
It's odd that no-one got that. People are going on about plot holes, but really the Daleks couldn't do this themselves, hoodwinked the Doctor into doing so, and clearly planned to blow him up on the planet as a grand finale. The one odd moment for me was the Daleks not immediately exterminating The Doctor at the end, even though they didn't know who he was by that point. (It's not like they're usually terribly picky when it comes to shooting things.)
You could probably make something up about him being protected by the TARDIS's force field, but, let's face it, having the conversation over a tannoy would be quite annoying. Shot of TARDIS speakers, sound of Doctor's voice - shot of Dalek, sound of Dalek voice - etc.
And with a new series comes a new set of episode sketches by the wonderful Francesco Francavilla.
http://francesco-francavilla.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/doctor-who-asylum-of-daleks-ep701.html (http://francesco-francavilla.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/doctor-who-asylum-of-daleks-ep701.html)
So wait, is that new companion? I wasn't sure about here initially but she won me over big time as it went on. I have to admit it was largely the outfit though (and I'm not even sure why).
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 08 September, 2012, 06:24:52 PM
So wait, is that new companion? I wasn't sure about here initially but she won me over big time as it went on. I have to admit it was largely the outfit though (and I'm not even sure why).
I don't wish to seem shallow, but the two words "well" and "endowed" spring to mind. Yes, I know I shouldn't have been looking there* but that top was rather snug and... well. Some things just draw the eyes...
*Her best asset really was her character. Honest.
Finally caught up with this on the weekend.
Every model of Dalek ever & Jenna-Louise Coleman in a bosomy big red jumpery dress whilst clambering around in a hammock?
There's your licencing fee's worth right there.
Unspeakably fantastic stuff.
Quote from: JamesC on 01 September, 2012, 08:23:23 PM
2. The character of Oswyn was rather overwritten and quite irritating and completely un-Daleky.
FTFY ;)
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 10 September, 2012, 03:27:36 AM
Finally caught up with this on the weekend.
Every model of Dalek ever & Jenna-Louise Coleman in a bosomy big red jumpery dress whilst clambering around in a hammock?
There's your licencing fee's worth right there.
Unspeakably fantastic stuff.
Yes, that description right there :)
On the subject of her, IMDB has her down as Oswin in this episode, Clara in the Xmas episode (that long? Really?) then Clara Oswin from then on.
So, I've been drinking and as such this might not make much sense, and might not follow on from this thread at all, but:
The Cybermen are shit, because in the 60s it might have been scary that disable people were using technology to improve their lives, but today this is called equality. Sure, Dr Who has always been about a middle class white man being right, but technology being a threat is so regressive that the cybermen become really laughable, or better yet, the laudable good guys.
In my drunken opinion, that is all.
Quote from: Cthulouis on 12 September, 2012, 10:55:00 PM
So, I've been drinking and as such this might not make much sense, and might not follow on from this thread at all, but:
The Cybermen are shit, because in the 60s it might have been scary that disable people were using technology to improve their lives, but today this is called equality. Sure, Dr Who has always been about a middle class white man being right, but technology being a threat is so regressive that the cybermen become really laughable, or better yet, the laudable good guys.
In my drunken opinion, that is all.
Ok, you were drunk, so I'll forgive you, but where did you get the idea Cybermen were disabled people in the first place? I thought it was an upgrade from a default humanoid model, not a crippled or infirm one?
My understanding has always been that they thought technology was such an improvement upon the original basic humanoid model that therefore everyone should be converted. Those that resisted conversion should be eliminated. That's what's scary about them - their assumption that they are the superior being, and everyone should be forced to be like them.
I'm going to say give the cybermen a chance!
Some time has gone by since it was last suggested in this thread and in that same time, I remembered the ruined Cyberman in the first part of the Big Bang finale. The ruined cyberman which still proved to be quite a threat. A couple of "in-working-order" cybermen working to this standard could be a lot of fun.
and the biggest point - as well as upgrading them physically, all human emotion or compassion were deleted, in the same way as the Daleks.
The Cybermen aren't disabled. They're mind-altered weirdos who're into body modification.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 13 September, 2012, 03:14:38 PM
The Cybermen aren't disabled. They're mind-altered weirdos who're into body modification.
hmmm. In that case, I think I may know a few cybermen ...