As about Smeg time the 10th Series on DAVE tonight at 9pm, as what your favourite episodes or moments?
I was watch my fave episode last night - White Hole! I love it! as the Toaster steal the show! haha!
Even this in that episode
"So what is it?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxWN8AhNER0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxWN8AhNER0)
And love about the episode is the classic final line from Kryten to Rimmer before all fade back;
You are the most obnoxious, trumped-up, farty little smeghead it has ever been my misfortune to encounter!
Cheers for the reminder Goaty, will be sitting down with a cuppa for that tonight.
I still love 'Rimmerworld' above all other episodes- the reveal that the female sex slaves had Chris Barrie's gurning mug was priceless!
Whoops, I'd forgotten about this too - thanks for the reminder. I was a big Dwarfer myself but I'm confident that the new material will stand up on its own merits and not just be about nostalgia. It's popular to rag on them but I do think that series VII and VIII had some great material (look at the extended episodes on DVD, they really do enhance the experience).
Ahh Rimmerworld, classic scene;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnoIclboPFY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnoIclboPFY)
Not long to go, reviewers said the first episode was weak, well that's happens.
Not on Freesat. :(
I watched Red Dwarf right from when it started and was a big fan but i thought Back to Earth was very poor and I wonder if it would have been best to let it end. Shows seldom work when returning after a length of time.
Having said that I wish them well and hope I am wrong. I might have to be naughty and download it to see what it's like.
Just watched the first episode and thought it was quite good, with some proper laugh out loud moments. If this a weaker episode I think it bodes well for the series.
Cheers :)
Not watched it yet but have a die hard friend who is very happy with it.
V
I'd second that sentiment Napalm, not a bad half hour of TV at all.
Maybe it was already explained in 'Back to Earth' (literally deleted fo my memory banks) but is that Rimmer the original Arnold Judas, or the one from series 8?
I found it entertaining but not great. Be interesting seeing how it goes.
I thought that was great fun, I was certainly laughing out loud plenty. The phone gag at first seemed too close to a similar routine from 'Friends', but the pay-off was much better and well worth it.
Quote from: Link Prime on 04 October, 2012, 10:00:29 PM
Maybe it was already explained in 'Back to Earth' (literally deleted fo my memory banks) but is that Rimmer the original Arnold Judas, or the one from series 8?
They never explained it, but from certain things he said in 'Back to Earth', it's almost definitely the original Rimmer.
Cheers G.
Pleasantly surprised! :D Not flawless, but some genuine giggles, not an embarrassment or a travesty, and pretty encouraging for the rest of the series considering the first ep is always likely to be the rockiest. Like a weaker episode from the early years, which is by no means a bad level to hit.
[spoiler]"No, we just hosed him down and gave him a hat,"[/spoiler] won a genuine laugh out loud from me.
I think the show definitely suffers when taken out of the live studio environment. I'm sure the audience were real, be they watching a recording, though I expect there will be a lot of people believing the laught was canned (the same happened for the later Alan Partridge series despite it being recorded before an audience; the production values made it look as if it were filmed in real locatons). It wasn't as if it were that strong a show dramatically, it just looked like they were all having a lot of fun.
Watching the repeats, it's amazing how just about every other episode had the same theme of alternate versions of each of the characters, or some kind of counterparts for them. In that sense this was a pretty traditional episode, which would probably have been a lot funnier if it had been made along with the older shows. It must be a lot harder to write the show today considering they can't play the characters off against each other in the way they once did, considering their long history, and the show was always more centred round Rising Damp and Star Trek... and even years back it seemed as if they were finding it hard to find things for the Cat to say and do so long after the original joke was over.
I watched it at 9, then the repeat at 11:40pm.
I wasn't too sure to start with to be honest. I didn't dislike it, but I found the tone rather different to previous Dwarf shows, and I found that a bit jarring. That being said, I still found some of the jokes rather funny and I liked the storyline overall.
Then I watched it again, and enjoyed it far more. The tonal shift didn't seem as large, and I wonder if it was either something my mind blew out of proportion or just something I had gotten more used to.
A good start, and it bodes well that this is reckoned one of the worst episodes in the series, cos it really isn't bad.
I quite enjoyed it. I wasn't so keen on the silly facial expressions by the holograms, but there was enough laugh out loud moments to welcome it's return. My favourite was the [spoiler]moose routine, especially at the start with the conversation between Lister and Cat, where Lister says that most car accidents are caused by moose, and Cat replies that they shouldn't be allowed to drive lol [/spoiler] :lol:
I liked it, think I missed most of Series 8 (was that the one in the prison?) saw 9 and thought someones got a tax bill to pay and ultimately this is just to sell the DVD and BR.
Although things that started like that, Madness shows come to mind, ended up being much better than expected so we may get 11, 12, etc.
Really enjoyed this. Sure, there were some exchanges that felt clunky and the odd gag fell completely flat for us, but overall it was hugely enjoyable. There were some moments/gags ([spoiler]Kryten's tantrum on the phone, the Moose routine, and most of all the "we just hosed him down and gave him a hat[/spoiler]) that had me and the missus actually belly-laughing in a way that felt very much like watching vintage Dwarf.
Really glad to have it back.
happy with that. It felt very Red Dwarf which is no more than I can ask. It wasn't very original being mostly a rehash of previous episodes but they were probably playing it safe. There were some genuinely funny laugh out loud moments which have been all to lacking in previous later series.
The set design was excellent and the actors didn't look too old, DJJ was channelling vintage 'Cat' which was nice too see. Howard being touchable (hardlight) was a bit odd and unnecessary and reference to the JMC master computer felt strange, like they had all forgotten Holly existed, but thats minor gripes. If thats the weak episode of the series, bring on the rest.
Welcome back Red Dwarf!
Love last night episode, so funny, yes it does looks weak, but it very Series 1 to 3 with it?
"It's a moose" :lol:
Viewing figures of around 1.5 million (6.3%) which is the second highest figures ever for a programme on Dave, the highest being Back To Earth
I thought it was worth watching and quite funny.
They have done well not to arse up a winning formula.
The fact that all the actors were so old made me feel old too though.
the fact they are so old actually makes it work in my opinion you can really believe they have been stuck in that ship now just the four of them :lol:
Another thumbs up from me. Red Dwarf is cool.
Welcome back Red Dwarf! That was really rather good - just like the old days. :)
Quote from: Large48 on 05 October, 2012, 08:39:07 AM
I liked it, think I missed most of Series 8 (was that the one in the prison?) saw 9 and thought someones got a tax bill to pay and ultimately this is just to sell the DVD and BR.
Except there wasn't a series 9.
Really enjoyed last nights episode. Far better than any of the Back to Earth episodes and genuinly funny throughout. The moose gag, the phone gag, the "absolute twat" line, all had me laughing out loud.
Well, I did the naughty download thing and despite my fears I rather enjoyed it. It had quite an early Red Dwarf feel to it. It was better than I expected it to be.
Some of it didn't make any sense but when did that ever matter in the Red Dwarf universe!
Shame there was no Holly though. Apparently Norman Lovett won't do it again but why no Hattie Hayridge?
Quote from: Albion on 05 October, 2012, 09:32:12 PM
Shame there was no Holly though. Apparently Norman Lovett won't do it again but why no Hattie Hayridge?
Well in next week episode they set up new computer "Holly" ;)
Quote from: Goaty on 05 October, 2012, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: Albion on 05 October, 2012, 09:32:12 PM
Shame there was no Holly though. Apparently Norman Lovett won't do it again but why no Hattie Hayridge?
Well in next week episode they set up new computer "Holly" ;)
Interesting..........but from what I've just read the new computer is not called Holly. It's called Pree.
There's a Dave On Demand Website where you can see the latest episode, available for a week until the next one is aired. Involves registering with the site though.
http://video.uktv.co.uk/dave/red-dwarf/series-10/episode-1 (http://video.uktv.co.uk/dave/red-dwarf/series-10/episode-1)
Quote from: Kanoobi on 05 October, 2012, 10:05:52 PM
There's a Dave On Demand Website where you can see the latest episode, available for a week until the next one is aired. Involves registering with the site though.
http://video.uktv.co.uk/dave/red-dwarf/series-10/episode-1 (http://video.uktv.co.uk/dave/red-dwarf/series-10/episode-1)
Thanks for that, I might check that out.
I enjoyed that a great deal. I'm a long time fan and seen series 1-6 more times than i can remember. 7 was ok but 8 was woefully poor imho.
I don't laugh much these days but i did quite a bit during that. well done all involved.
do we know how many episodes? standard 6?
Enjoyed that. Back to basics. Nice one.
V
Just six episodes
That was great stuff, classic Dwarf :)
Best Dwarf Doug Naylor has written since Rob Grant left.
Quote from: Tim Tailz on 05 October, 2012, 09:19:43 PM
Quote from: Large48 on 05 October, 2012, 08:39:07 AM
I liked it, think I missed most of Series 8 (was that the one in the prison?) saw 9 and thought someones got a tax bill to pay and ultimately this is just to sell the DVD and BR.
Except there wasn't a series 9.
I believe he is referring to
Back To Earth. Technically not a full series, and not entitled "series IX" but is a ninth series (in the literal sense of the word).
Incidentally, I really liked Back To Earth. Different again from the previous series and what we've seen of Series X. More comedy-drama than sitcom and probably closest in tone to the underrated (in my opinion) series VII. There was some stuff that I didn't feel worked that well - the Bladerunner stuff was laid on a bit too thick at the end for my liking, and some of the slapstick made me wince - but overall I thought it a triumph.
One annoying thing that has occurred since series X is the amount of negativity expressed for BtE. Back then, views were pretty much mixed. Plenty disliked it but just as many probably disliked it, and it was a complete success as far as Dave were concerned - i.e. viewing figures. And without that, we'd never have got this series. Now all of a sudden you'd get the impression it was considered categorically awful by everyone!
I don't say this to get at anyone here, we seem to be pretty well balanced overall on this board, it's just something I noticed on the different boards I frequent.
I didn't see Back To Earth, might see if I can find it somewhere. I remember the series where they were prisoners, was that series 8? I loved the show in it's earlier days but the later series I have only seen during their original air dates and not seen them since, so it's a bit vague lol.
Quote from: Kanoobi on 06 October, 2012, 08:02:31 PM
I didn't see Back To Earth, might see if I can find it somewhere. I remember the series where they were prisoners, was that series 8?
Yes, that's Series 8. Many fans dislike that series. I'm not one of them, but I do think it's weak when compared to the others, episode
Cassandra being a possible exception. (Some rank 8 bellow 7, others the other way around, but I have a real soft spot for 7.)
Nice one! I could do with seeing the last few series again sometime for a refresher course lol.
Quote from: Mardroid on 06 October, 2012, 08:13:20 PMYes, that's Series 8. Many fans dislike that series. I'm not one of them, but I do think it's weak when compared to the others, episode Cassandra being a possible exception. (Some rank 8 bellow 7, others the other way around, but I have a real soft spot for 7.)
Series seven definitely had its weak spots, but the opening sequence to
Stoke Me a Clipper (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXYfnWRp1Q0) still completely slays me.
Just watched the new episode last night not expecting much but I thought it was pretty enjoyable, even if it made me smile consistently rather than laugh out loud. To me it came across like an older episode, which was admittedly partially due to the quality of the video since it was on Youtube but also that the actors seem to have no trouble reprising their roles. Cat was more like he was in the earlier episodes.
I was a big fan when I was at school, I even bought the unfortunately titled Smegazine along with the prog but after series 6 I thought it lost something. Back to Earth made me cringe deeply. This new series, however, looks like it might be fun.
That said, familiarity and nostalgia both factor in why I liked it. I can understand why other people might hate it, due to the schoolboy humour and sometimes dubious representations of women, even if the latter is usually a tool to underline the patheticness of the male characters.
By the way, has anyone ever sat through the American pilot version, which has Robert Llewelyn as Kryten?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13PJbQPxoXA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13PJbQPxoXA)
I find it funny seeing how many people have been negative towards X. I watched it during broadcast and then watched a recorded episode of IV the next night (since the series link seems to record those as well on our PVR), and they seemed very similar in tone.
I rather enjoyed it, but I'm not sure whether that was just from nostalgia or because it was good in itself. I only laughed out lout once ([spoiler]at the "turning right" moment[/spoiler]) but the whole thing has left me keen to see more, despite some of the gags being too predictable ([spoiler]such as Rimmer announcing that he wasn't going to be upset if his exam results showed that he'd failed - and then he did get upset. Seriously, did anyone not see that coming?[/spoiler]).
Overall: not bad, great to see the guys back, and loved that they kept the atmosphere and tone of the series identical to the BBC shows.
-- Mike
Easily as funny as most sitcoms on telly, but also better sci-fi than most sci-fi on telly, too - I am looking at you, Revolution and Falling Skies. 8 year old me would have loved this.
Ive not liked Red Dwarf for years, though i remember briefly being extremely enthusiastic; at least enough to buy series one to three on vhs back in about 1992ish. If you'd've asked me what happened to it after that, i probably could not have told you. I admit to not liking the later series and becoming increasingly annoyed with the people i met at uni who liked it- they seemed to treat it as a science fiction show, instead of a sitcom, getting all angry over the continuity and sciencey bits. Plus, trekkies and nerds in general claimed it was 'the funniest thing on tv', seemingly only because it was set on a spaceship. Anyway, for whatever reason i stopped watching.
Caught the first of this series on dave the other night, and to be honest it didnt seem any different than the ones i remember. And, divorced from the stinky nerds, i could enjoy it again. The cast were just the same, the jokes were good, and the set-up how i remember. I'll watch the next one- and not just because i watch an (cont)
(cont) awful lot of dave these days.
I have no idea if it was a decent continuation- ive not watched an episode in twenty years other than that flawed but interesting thing when they went to the corrie set, which as foremost a corrie viewer was fascinating and fun- but it made me laugh so i'll watch again. But only because it made me laugh, not because it had spaceships and holograms in it.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 October, 2012, 09:02:59 PMAnd, divorced from the stinky nerds
I don't wish to alarm you, SBT, but you wrote this on the internet forum for 2000ad where you usually post reviews of 1 pound zombie films.
Quote from: Third Estate Ned on 07 October, 2012, 10:50:59 AMBy the way, has anyone ever sat through the American pilot version, which has Robert Llewelyn as Kryten?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13PJbQPxoXA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13PJbQPxoXA)
In the interests of science, I did so just now, and there seems to be a double standard in place where criticism of the US version is concerned, as any faults it has are shared by the UK version. Been 15 years since I saw the pilot episode of RD, though, so perhaps I'm just not as over-familiar with the material that's been recreated or altered from the UK scripts beyond Jane Leeves' reading of Holly as breathy and sexy rather than Norman Lovett's conniving dullard, but otherwise it's easily as good or bad as most of the UK show's first season.
Trouble is Prof, 2000AD isn't for nerds, neither is the internet necessarily and, back when i regularly went to scifi conventions and horror festivals, the horror folk seemed to wash more often and were more fun to be around than the scifi lot.
I don't buy into comics equalling socially-inept, stinking, outsiders. Doesnt fit most of the readers i know.
That kind of fan- and we have all met them- we can nowadays understand by reading up on the condition and showing a bit of compassion. In 1992, in my first year of uni, i'd never even considered it may BE a condition- it was an annoyance and a joke. As a result, and unfairly, i allowed them to piss me right off and in turn put me off the actual material itself. Twenty years later, i work professionally with young adults for whom their obsession with product like Star Trek and Dr Who is overwhelming and their condition does not allow them to control it. All joking aside, that's no one ive met through 2000AD or my love of horror, who's like that.
SBT
Quote from: Mike Carroll on 07 October, 2012, 06:25:07 PM
some of the gags being too predictable ([spoiler]such as Rimmer announcing that he wasn't going to be upset if his exam results showed that he'd failed - and then he did get upset. Seriously, did anyone not see that coming?[/spoiler]).
-- Mike
That was part of the humour though. We all knew what Rimmer was going to do and his reaction was the payoff.
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 October, 2012, 10:47:46 PM
Trouble is Prof, 2000AD isn't for nerds, neither is the internet necessarily and, back when i regularly went to scifi conventions and horror festivals, the horror folk seemed to wash more often and were more fun to be around than the scifi lot.
I was being flippant - I have a lengthy track record of it - but thank you for clarifying that nerds are not humorless dorks who take things too seriously.
Hmmm, it's interesting to read the differing views expressed here regarding Trojan, personally I wasn't that impressed with it, the jokes seemed forced and the pay-offs too obvious from a distance, maybe the rest of the series will be better, but I can't help feel that returning to the television medium was a decisively retrograde step for the 'Dwarf, admittedly I'm in the minority that thought series' VII and VIII were both uniformly excellent and genuinely funny, but that's where it should have ended, in regards to further television ventures...
Poor Doug Naylor had a devil of a time trying to get financing for the movie over the best part of a decade, but the cruel irony is he took up satellite channel Dave's offer to make the pretty underwhelming Back To Earth not long before the release of Avatar, and the subsequent 3-D craze it kicked off; had he but held out a little longer in regards the movie, he probably would have secured financing on a 3-D prerequisite similar to how Dredd secured it's budget, and had he shot it somewhere like Cape Town Studios in South Africa (which is extraordinarily cost-effective to film in, as we all know by now), plus with the advancements and overall cost-effectiveness of digital production/post-production/visual effects technology as it currently stands, Doug Naylor could have pulled off the 'Dwarf movie he wanted to make all along, without having to tighten the creative belt further, and for considerably less than the £15m budget projection the 'Dwarf movie was expected to cost, had it been shot back in the 'noughties as hoped for, still, while nice to have the 'Dwarf back, I just wish it had been on the silver rather than small screen, and I suspect, so does Doug Naylor...
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 07 October, 2012, 10:47:46 PM
i regularly went to scifi conventions and horror festivals,
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRDDDDDDDDDD.
Watched it. Loved it. The whole Moose question sequence made me laugh out loud, which I rarely do, and even the Missus said "I can see why you find that funny." High praise.
Well Red Dwarf shouldn't be take seriously, it entertainment and enjoyment for me to watch after long day! )
It's a moose!
Quote from: Goaty on 09 October, 2012, 08:53:30 AM
Well Red Dwarf shouldn't be take seriously, it entertainment and enjoyment for me to watch after long day! )
It's a moose!
I agree with this. You tend to know exactly what's coming next, so you look forward to how they perform/word it. I've always enjoyed the daft comedy derived from the setting as opposed to any notions of exploring sci-fi themes.
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 09 October, 2012, 06:41:23 AM
Poor Doug Naylor had a devil of a time trying to get financing for the movie over the best part of a decade, but the cruel irony is he took up satellite channel Dave's offer to make the pretty underwhelming Back To Earth not long before the release of Avatar, and the subsequent 3-D craze it kicked off; had he but held out a little longer in regards the movie, he probably would have secured financing on a 3-D prerequisite similar to how Dredd secured it's budget, and had he shot it somewhere like Cape Town Studios in South Africa (which is extraordinarily cost-effective to film in, as we all know by now), plus with the advancements and overall cost-effectiveness of digital production/post-production/visual effects technology as it currently stands, Doug Naylor could have pulled off the 'Dwarf movie he wanted to make all along, without having to tighten the creative belt further, and for considerably less than the £15m budget projection the 'Dwarf movie was expected to cost, had it been shot back in the 'noughties as hoped for, still, while nice to have the 'Dwarf back, I just wish it had been on the silver rather than small screen, and I suspect, so does Doug Naylor...
I'd have to disagree Beaky. Even with the best writing situation comedies seldom translate well into film. Back to Earth to some extent proves this point, not due to the budget but the length. Red Dwarf works well as a 25 minute TV series, anything else at best feels like a long episode but usually suffers for pacing. A film may have been good but the changes and compromises would no doubt make it into something other than Red Dwarf.
Nice little remind, smegheads, episode 2 on tonight at DAVE.
Thought episode 2 was pretty good! :)
I thought that Father's Day cards was so funny!
But now on next on Dave is my favourite Red Dwarf episode - White Hole! Love the ending!
I enjoyed last week's, but had a few reservations - looked a bit cheap and set-bound, the pace seemed a bit rushed and there was some rather 'broad' (over)acting. All in all it felt a little bit like a quickie Comic Relief one-off; a sort of 'Hey, remember Red Dwarf? Here's a reunion sketch.'
This week's there were no such problems - that was absolutely classic Dwarf. It really feels like the show is back in earnest. And next week's looks even better!
'Broad'. That's a word I keep seeing again and again when people discuss the new series of Red Dwarf. Yet... I've rarely come across it in this context before. In context, i guess it means, over the top?
Anyway, I liked this episode. The video gag with Lister and his 'father' was especially funny.
I thought Lister's [spoiler]return was a bit too convenient,[/spoiler] yet a rather cool scene.
I think Trojan might arguably have the better story, but my initial reaction to this was much more favourable. There were some great funny lines in Trojan, yet I found this funnier overall, I think.
I'm tentatively looking forward to next weeks episode. The bit at the end of the excerpt made me laugh, particularly that character's reaction.
Quote from: Mardroid on 12 October, 2012, 12:22:07 AM'Broad'. That's a word I keep seeing again and again when people discuss the new series of Red Dwarf. Yet... I've rarely come across it in this context before. In context, i guess it means, over the top?
I think "broad humour" refers to aiming gags at a wide audience: i.e. relying on slapstick, obvious punchlines, silly voices and funny faces to make sure everybody gets the joke, rather than going for subtler more witty moments that might go over some people's heads.
I suspect Red Dwarf has always had a pretty strong element of broad humour to it, probably more than I remember in rose-tinted hindsight, but certainly in the later series there was too much of that and not enough genuine wit. I think so far series X has succeeded in dialling that aspect back much more: there are still some bits that fall a bit flat for me, but enough good material in between to keep things ticking over.
Quote from: Mardroid on 12 October, 2012, 12:22:07 AM
I'm tentatively looking forward to next weeks episode. The bit at the end of the excerpt made me laugh, particularly that character's reaction.
The teaser for next week wasn't subtitled :-( what was the bit at the end about?
I enjoyed last weeks more I think. There were some good bits this week but again a lot of the ideas had already been explored (Queeg) Hopefully not every episode will rely too much on previous ideas.
Enjoyed it but I think last week had more laugh out loud moments - biggest laugh was in the trailer for next week...
Quote from: Goaty on 12 October, 2012, 06:06:11 AM
Quote from: Mardroid on 12 October, 2012, 12:22:07 AM
I'm tentatively looking forward to next weeks episode. The bit at the end of the excerpt made me laugh, particularly that character's reaction.
The teaser for next week wasn't subtitled :-( what was the bit at the end about?
Its here and appears to have CC's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbK3TUCuWYM
[spoiler]Lister says 'Really? Jesus!' and the guy behind him says 'Yes?'[/spoiler]
HAHA!
Thanks James...
hate YouTube CC as they not matched.
Last week's opener was okay, but I thought they really hit their stride with this one. Perfect Dwarf - silly gags tied to cool scifi ideas. The video-message sequence with the guitar was priceless, and I loved the converstaions with the vending machines. Sexy computer too!
It would be overly pedantic to question whether one can enter a spaceship via the ramscoop though!
Quote from: James Stacey on 12 October, 2012, 09:13:55 AM
[spoiler]Lister says 'Really? Jesus!' and the guy behind him says 'Yes?'[/spoiler]
I also liked his follow up expression [spoiler]"... have we met?" (Not something he says, the expression on his face.)
Describing it, doesn't seem funny.... but I thought it was a nice touch.[/spoiler]
There's a new article on the web site (http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/news/2012/10/12/on-the-flipside/) describing the new DVD cover. It's reversible to fit with the spines of the original series, if you so wish. I quite like it. Of course if you go to that trouble (and I do genuinely think it's a nice touch) I wonder where you would place Back To Earth since that one's cover doesn't fit.
To think... I'm discussing spines now. I wonder if I'm picking up bad habits here. :)
Red Dwarf was always very broad. It might suffer by today's more sophisticated comedy styles, but again I'd suggest hat we might just be noticing it more because the format doesn't suit it as much as when it was overrtly theatrical. I actually think they've toned it down due to necessity in some ways (such as the Lister/Rimmer rivalry), and Craig Charles' acting has far more depth.
I think they should go back to a more 'live' format, even if it makes the action more ropes - there's not much point in having a studio audience if it doesn't make you feel like you're getting some of the studio atmosphere, and it can seem like the laughter is canned, or put there to tell you when to laugh.
Really enjoyed the 2nd one. Not laughed that much at an episode since series 6. Some great "logic" homour in there and the father's day stuff was classic.
Quote from: Mudcrab on 18 October, 2012, 01:42:25 PM
Really enjoyed the 2nd one. Not laughed that much at an episode since series 6. Some great "logic" homour in there and the father's day stuff was classic.
Twas very good indeed, and I really liked the 'Our Rob or Ross' storyline continuation.
Looking forward to 9pm tonight...
Enjoy it so far!
Sweden shower! Battery! Shopping List! and how old? :lol:
bollox, forgot again.
Who thinks to check Dave for new stuff? On the plus side though, you don't have to worry about it being repeated!
It's repeated at 11pm tonight
Well, I was a bit dubious after last week's trailer - wasn't sure how the Jesus comedy was going to play out - but I actually thought this was the strongest ep yet. The first two episodes had some weak and overstretched gags dragging them down slightly, but I thought this one was pretty solid all through. Felt very much like old-school Red Dwarf. :D
That was the first one of the new series I've seen, and the missus and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I thought it did a fantastic job of recapturing the tone and chemistry of the early seasons - the image of [spoiler]Rimmer holding Jesus' wang with salad tongs[/spoiler] will stay with me for a good while. Will be following this now.
A bit of a silly episode, but it had a few good laughs. Felt a little like 'here's some stuff Doug Naylor's been reading about with added Red Dwarf' - not necessarily a bad thing, mind, and the extended explanation about Rimmer's middle name was an interesting addition to the Dwarf canon.
As a side-note, the absolute highlight of this series is proving to be Cat - he hasn't been written this well since series 2. All his feline cool (which gradually faded away as he became 'domesticated') has been back with a vengeance in the last three episodes, reminding me exactly why he was the funniest thing in the first couple of series. For me, the highpoint of this episode was that brief moment during the 'flatpack assembly' montage where we see him clawing at a shower-part hanging down in front of him. Wonderful. (And was that the incidental music from the series 2 'Kryten' episode used during the same sequence?)
I'm really enjoying the series, much more than I expected to.
Yes, there are a few moments where the jokes fall a little but ever line doesn't have to be a zinger.
Its still the best sit-com on tv since.....erm, the last series of Not Going Out IMHO.
3 good episodes out of 4, this series has been much better than anyone expected.
Roll on Red Dwarf XI...
I liked Entangled. [spoiler]Beggs choking to death bit aside. That was a bit too silly and didn't quite gel with the coincidence rules, i.e. "this was always going to happen, we're just open to it" or words to that effect.[/spoiler]
This series does feel sillier than the Grant and Dough co-written stuff, but it's not bad at all. I'd prefer the tone of past series though, but there are still decent stories and funny stuff in there.
Entangled has probably been my favourite episode of the series so far, which is saying something considering I've liked them all. The Cat's face when [spoiler]Lister cut his ponytail off[/spoiler] was hilarious. The scene where [spoiler]the Professor tripped over the accident report forms and fell out of the airlock[/spoiler] had me literally laughing out loud. Great stuff.
Quote from: Tim Tailz on 27 October, 2012, 06:58:51 PM
Entangled has probably been my favourite episode of the series so far, which is saying something considering I've liked them all. The Cat's face when [spoiler]Lister cut his ponytail off[/spoiler] was hilarious. The scene where [spoiler]the Professor tripped over the accident report forms and fell out of the airlock[/spoiler] had me literally laughing out loud. Great stuff.
Found the end of "Entangled" to be a little too sick for my liking.
The Professor exits and one of the main character's reaction is: "Shit! I was going to get a definate shag there!" not, "Shit!, We've just accidentally killed a young woman in the most horrific way."
I'm used to the Cat being vain and selfish but even he shouldn't be this unlikeable.
Quote from: Huey2 on 27 October, 2012, 07:25:47 PM
Found the end of "Entangled" to be a little too sick for my liking.
You read 2000AD, right?
Cheers
Jim
I was fine with Entangled up until the end, but that last "joke" struck a sour note. It wasn't the joke itself, as we've had that exact same joke on at least two previous occasions in Red Dwarf (the one where they change time via photographs of the past and Rimmer kills himself in the final frames of the episode, and again when Red Dwarf is collapsing on itself and Rimmer is left behind on it with only the Grim Reaper for company) and even the death of a sibling doesn't register upon characters in any emotional manner so it wasn't just that the character was killed off and no-one really cared beyond immediately making a joke, rather for me it was the attitude the script took towards the character as a figure of fun and a sex object combined with the casual attitude towards her death which in the isolated context of the episode makes for an unfortunate impression that you don't get in the larger context of the series. I imagine the sponsor clips where Rik Mayall does a flawless impression of a fat, rich, sexist, Tory sellout fucker doesn't help that impression, either.
Otherwise I have been enjoying the new series just fine and dandy.
TL; DR
So is your face.
Last episode of the new series on tonight and I think we can safely call this series a triumph
The slime's coming home! When Rimmer made that call-back to the very first episode, I found myself cheering and punching the air. I reckon 'The Beginning' was not necessarily the funniest, but probably the best episode of this series (although last week's was a strong contender too, albeit in a completely different vein.) A very Series 6 sort of episode (even down to giving Rimmer back his long-dormant heroic streak, a la 'Out of Time') and as Davey (Candlish, not Lister) says, something of an unexpected triumph of a series. Roll on Red Dwarf XI! (If it gets commissioned. Which I very strongly suspect - and hope - it will.)
I've been enjoying the new Red Dwarf throughout, but I felt that the last episode did end on a bit of a bum note. Rimmer carrying his father's message with him was a bit contrived from the outset, and while you could say that after 58 episodes of being the butt of every joke Rimmer was due some character development, but I'm not entirely sure that this was the best way of going about it. I felt that he could have stepped out of his father's long shadow without the revelation about his real parent - now that he's "just another slob", it knocks out the props from his antagonistic relationship with Lister, and that's what drives the series in the first place. I hope that by this "shock twist" (and do we really need those in a sitcom anyway?) Naylor isn't shooting himself in the foot.
Still, though, it's been a fun ride throughout and it's been good to have the Dwarfers back with us.
I liked that last episode a lot.
I don't mind those changes in Rimmer. [spoiler]I doubt he'll completely change just like that, and his relationship with Lister is already a lot less antagonistic than it was in the early run. I actually hope they don't reset him too much in series XI (should it get made) as that's quite common in these types of story arc. The conflicts can come from a more subtle place. Or something else entirely. Difference need not be a bad thing, and the show ceased to be just about Rimmer and Lister's conflict a good while ago.[/spoiler]
I wasn't too sure of the Hoagy the Roagie stuff at the start, [spoiler]mainly as I a) thought he was a simulant and b) thought Cat* and Kryten were rather too callous in giving up Lister to an enemy. But then we got the gag that this is a reoccurring thing and the character isn't nearly as dangerous as he makes out. We should remember there is 9+ years of time between Series VIII and BtE/X. I wonder if we'll see more of Hoagy in the next series?
In case you don't know, Hoagie was a character from the (un-made) Red Dwarf movie. In fact a lot of stuff in The Beginning was taken from an earlier script of the film!
The real simulants had a bit of a camp Burtonesqe aristocratic thing going on. I prefer them a bit more nasty like the versions from previous series. That being said, I'll admit the sword scene made me laugh, sick puppy that I am. (I read on another site, that joke is a lift from a Mitchell and Webb sketch. While it rings a bell, I don't remember it, so I can't really say, but I like to think it's more a case of 'great minds think alike', rather than an intentional copy.)
Wonderful model footage and a good story, I thought. Some of it was a bit contrived [spoiler](super new gadget turning up to be used later, etc.) [/spoiler]but, I don't mind that too much. [spoiler]I guessed what Rimmer's plan was, but it was still thrilling to see. Lets face it, they could have done something similar by having Blue Midget at right angles to the ship, and having it blast away at the last minute so the missiles miss and hit their new target, but this way was so much more impressive.[/spoiler]
Oh, and that map! [spoiler]It's easy to forget with all the other stuff that happens in the episode, but could that be a seed for the new series? Possibly a way home?[/spoiler]
Series as a whole, while I found the tone of the new series a bit OTT and silly and would have preferred it to be closer to the original run, tonally speaking, it was a decent come-back, and I suspect I'll like it even better on a re-watch. I'll definitely get the DVD. The general one with the reversable cover not the fancy HMV steelbook edition.
*Okay, it's not exactly surprising in his case, as he was always self-centred, but it did seem much, even for him. Incidentally, I really liked that new more insightful side the Cat showed this episode. I like the fact that while he is an idiot in a lot of ways, that's not all he is.
Did anyone else notice the subtle stuff about [which Rimmer is currently on the crew? The nods back to the end of Series Eight that seem to suggest he is the second, previously alive Rimmer?] Loved all of that!
I so wanted to like this series, but I was secretly convinced it would be a bit rubbish and not really very good. So glad it ended up better than I think anyone expected it to be. That said - and much as I adore this little slice of my childhood years - I don't want to see too much more. Another series seems like a given, but a twelth series (at most) really ought to be the end.
Quote from: strontium_dog_90 on 12 November, 2012, 03:17:58 PM
Did anyone else notice the subtle stuff about [which Rimmer is currently on the crew? The nods back to the end of Series Eight that seem to suggest he is the second, previously alive Rimmer?] Loved all of that!
Yeah, the gags about series 8's cliffhanger ending were great.
Back to Earth had already hinted that this was the original Rimmer, and it has to be if you think about it; earlier in the same episode he remembers dying along with the rest of the crew in the infamous radiation leak, whereas the ressurected crew (including Rimmer II) had no memories of an event that, in their eyes, had never happened. One of the four possible endings to series VIII had Rimmer I (as Ace) return to pull Arnie II's fat out of the fire, and the fact that current-Rimmer talks about the cliffhanger suggest that some variation of this is what happened. Which means that there may have been two Rimmer's kicking about for a while in those lost nine years.
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 12 November, 2012, 03:40:13 PM
One of the four possible endings to series VIII had Rimmer I (as Ace) return to pull Arnie II's fat out of the fire, and the fact that current-Rimmer talks about the cliffhanger suggest that some variation of this is what happened.
That's exactly what I was thinking, and very much what I assume to have happened - it was a 'total fluke' because he happened to turn up at exactly the right time, or something like that. (I suspect original Rimmer then trained up Series 8 Rimmer to take over from him as Ace, because he'd had enough of it.) However, I am quite happy for this bit of continuity to be forever unexplored (apart from in the realms of fan theories) and left to our imaginations.
That would explain why no-one wants to credit Rimmer with saving the day even though he seems to think he - or at least another version of him - was responsible, though thanks to time-travel shenanigans with magic photographs, Rimmer mk1 didn't actually die in the radiation leak, he died when he got so excited at the thought of sex with a rubber lady he slapped some explosive crates too hard.
Quote from: Professah Byah on 12 November, 2012, 04:08:15 PM
Rimmer mk1 didn't actually die in the radiation leak, he died when he got so excited at the thought of sex with a rubber lady he slapped some explosive crates too hard.
Nice try, but Rimmer still needs to have died in the leak - if only because, on being alive once more, he's overjoyed to find that he's no longer a hologram of a dead man who died in a radiation leak (i.e. he still remembers it). The
Timeslides theory runs that because Rimmer meets a future version of himself while a child, the later pre-radiaiton leak version reacts better than originally when the same thing happens in
Stasis Leak, heeds his future self's warning and puts himself in stasis during the leak (and so survives). But of course if he doesn't die in the accident, his future hologram version would never warn his younger self in
Stasis Leak, and so he'd never go into stasis, so...
Probably for the best this is never addressed in the programme! I favour a 'the devil will have his due'-type thing; that no matter what mucking around with time and alternate universes Rimmer does, he is destined
always to have died in that radiation leak.
Thankfully, virtually every Red Dwarf continuity issue can be explained by the disruption to the space-time continuum between series 6 and 7 (caused by them blowing themselves up, and resulting in the merging of two parallel continuums) to which everything can be retroactively ascribed, including the revisions to Lister's personal history with Kochanski from series 3 onwards.