http://news.sky.com/story/1042799/judge-dredd-may-be-gay-comic-suggests
And there was me thinking that it was only the Beano that went in for shameless & transparent publicity stunts...
Ha ha! I'm sure there will be a twist - it's so out of character - but to anyone burning comics and sending abusive messages to writers (if that wasn't just made up by the media) I say "Good-riddance!", I'll keep reading regardless.
Saw this on the news earlier. Could be an amusing story if it's a one off but making out that Dredd might be gay is a guaranteed way of losing readers (even making it ambiguous).
Not a good way of advertising Dredd to the world.
Quotemaking out that Dredd might be gay is a guaranteed way of losing readers
Well, in all honesty, anyone who would stop reading a comic because a character is revealed to be gay (and for the record, this is obviously NOT what the Dredd story is about) is not the sort of person I would want reading the comic anyway.
Narrow minded, homophobic bigots need not apply.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 25 January, 2013, 11:55:26 PM
Quotemaking out that Dredd might be gay is a guaranteed way of losing readers
Well, in all honesty, anyone who would stop reading a comic because a character is revealed to be gay (and for the record, this is obviously NOT what the Dredd story is about) is not the sort of person I would want reading the comic anyway.
Narrow minded, homophobic bigots need not apply.
Couldn't agree more!
Hey I'm Narrow minded. All pop music sucks.
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Quote from: Richmond Clements on 25 January, 2013, 11:55:26 PM
Quotemaking out that Dredd might be gay is a guaranteed way of losing readers
Well, in all honesty, anyone who would stop reading a comic because a character is revealed to be gay (and for the record, this is obviously NOT what the Dredd story is about) is not the sort of person I would want reading the comic anyway.
Narrow minded, homophobic bigots need not apply.
Just because someone doesn't want a character to be gay doesn't make them a homophobic bigot. I don't want Dredd to be gay either or a woman or an alien. That doesn't make me a homophobic mysoginist that hates aliens either.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 25 January, 2013, 11:48:24 PM
Saw this on the news earlier. Could be an amusing story if it's a one off but making out that Dredd might be gay is a guaranteed way of losing readers (even making it ambiguous).
Not a good way of advertising Dredd to the world.
You don't know much about advertising!
Quote from: karl on 26 January, 2013, 12:03:31 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 25 January, 2013, 11:48:24 PM
Saw this on the news earlier. Could be an amusing story if it's a one off but making out that Dredd might be gay is a guaranteed way of losing readers (even making it ambiguous).
Not a good way of advertising Dredd to the world.
You don't know much about advertising!
I know enough to know that most straight teenage boys and older men (probably the biggest readers of Dredd) wouldn't be too happy with a gay Dredd. Same with a character like Batman or Han Solo.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 12:02:54 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 25 January, 2013, 11:55:26 PM
Quotemaking out that Dredd might be gay is a guaranteed way of losing readers
Well, in all honesty, anyone who would stop reading a comic because a character is revealed to be gay (and for the record, this is obviously NOT what the Dredd story is about) is not the sort of person I would want reading the comic anyway.
Narrow minded, homophobic bigots need not apply.
Just because someone doesn't want a character to be gay doesn't make them a homophobic bigot. I don't want Dredd to be gay either or a woman or an alien. That doesn't make me a homophobic mysoginist that hates aliens either.
What difference does it make id Dredd's gay or not?
(and on reading the page that has been previewed, it's obviously not him, but a jimp in the night club and the narration is by the other character, but never mind...)
Quotemost straight teenage boys and older men (probably the biggest readers of Dredd) wouldn't be too happy with a gay Dredd
Then I would suggest they grow the fuck up and enter the 21st Century.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 12:07:35 AM
Quote from: karl on 26 January, 2013, 12:03:31 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 25 January, 2013, 11:48:24 PM
Saw this on the news earlier. Could be an amusing story if it's a one off but making out that Dredd might be gay is a guaranteed way of losing readers (even making it ambiguous).
Not a good way of advertising Dredd to the world.
You don't know much about advertising!
I know enough to know that most straight teenage boys and older men (probably the biggest readers of Dredd) wouldn't be too happy with a gay Dredd. Same with a character like Batman or Han Solo.
Batman's Bi. What other reason can there be for having Robin around? He's fucking useless!
QuoteYou don't know much about advertising!
Yes. While it might turn some people away from the comic* it could actually draw in more readers just out of sheer curiosity as to what the drokk is going on!
And in context that scene looks to me to be a [spoiler]fantasy sequence from that kid's point of view.[/spoiler]
Since the story apparently focusses on a lad [spoiler]coming out,I do wonder that the futuristic society of Mega City One would have such issues though. Then again homosexuals would still be a minority and Mega City's future is rather more digressive than progressive in a lot of ways.[/spoiler]
*And it strikes me as ridiculous since... well... they haven't even read the story yet. While I don't think Dredd being gay should be a big deal, why should those who
are offended by the idea assume that's what the will happen in the story? Sure there's
that image, but things are rarely what they seem in these stories.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 26 January, 2013, 12:11:41 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 12:02:54 AM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 25 January, 2013, 11:55:26 PM
Quotemaking out that Dredd might be gay is a guaranteed way of losing readers
Well, in all honesty, anyone who would stop reading a comic because a character is revealed to be gay (and for the record, this is obviously NOT what the Dredd story is about) is not the sort of person I would want reading the comic anyway.
Narrow minded, homophobic bigots need not apply.
Just because someone doesn't want a character to be gay doesn't make them a homophobic bigot. I don't want Dredd to be gay either or a woman or an alien. That doesn't make me a homophobic mysoginist that hates aliens either.
What difference does it make id Dredd's gay or not?
(and on reading the page that has been previewed, it's obviously not him, but a jimp in the night club and the narration is by the other character, but never mind...)
Quotemost straight teenage boys and older men (probably the biggest readers of Dredd) wouldn't be too happy with a gay Dredd
Then I would suggest they grow the fuck up and enter the 21st Century.
The facts are that gay is seen as effeminate by many people (not by me I may add) and that will probably never disappear. So even the people like me (who don't view all gay males as effeminate) will have to put up with people making fun of the character. That's the type of thing Dredd can do without.
It's all very well saying people should grow the fuck up and enter the 21st Century but as much as some people won't like to hear many people will always view gay men as a bit limp wristed. And that won't change no matter how much you throw at them. Making characters like Dredd gay won't do anything for gay rights..it'll just annoy many people who like the character.
Quote from: Mardroid on 26 January, 2013, 12:21:06 AM
QuoteYou don't know much about advertising!
Yes. While it might turn some people away from the comic* it could actually draw in more readers just out of sheer curiosity as to what the drokk is going on!
And in context that scene looks to me to be a [spoiler]fantasy sequence from that kid's point of view.[/spoiler]
Since the story apparently focusses on a lad [spoiler]coming out,I do wonder that the futuristic society of Mega City One would have such issues though. Then again homosexuals would still be a minority and Mega City's future is rather more digressive than progressive in a lot of ways.[/spoiler]
*And it strikes me as ridiculous since... well... they haven't even read the story yet. While I don't think Dredd being gay should be a big deal, why should those who are offended by the idea assume that's what the will happen in the story? Sure there's that image, but things are rarely what they seem in these stories.
Seeing as gay males are a minority I don't think the readership would increase that much to replace those lost and I can't see many others being brought in.
But does he throw or catch?
Just because a person is straight, doesn't mean they're not interested in more gay characters in comics. Or exploration of homosexuality in comics in general.
Quote from: The Adventurer on 26 January, 2013, 12:37:22 AM
Just because a person is straight, doesn't mean they're not interested in more gay characters in comics. Or exploration of homosexuality in comics in general.
That's true but I doubt you'll find many straight people remotely interested in explorations of homosexuality in comics.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 12:26:32 AM
Seeing as gay males are a minority I don't think the readership would increase that much to replace those lost and I can't see many others being brought in.
I'm not convinced it will lose that many readers though. These negative vocal types are themselves a minority in my view.
Massive spoiler, I read this on.. can't remember, either aint it cool news or bleedin cool news...
...Anyway, very spoilery, wish I hadn't read it, read at own peril, you have been warned etc
SPOILER
[spoiler]It's not Dredd, it's a gay club where people dress as either Dredd or a perp[/spoiler]
Dredd does what! :o :o :o :-X
That spoiler is a complete non-spoiler for anyone who actually knows anything about Dredd, Dredd's world, and how a typical one-off Dredd strip usually goes.
I can't believe you've spoilt the spoiler ;)
Rebellion are still rookies at this publicity game.
They need to kill Dredd, wait five months and then bring him back to life. Newspapers fall for that one every single time...
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 12:40:40 AM
That's true but I doubt you'll find many straight people remotely interested in explorations of homosexuality in comics.
Why?
Exploration of homosexuality offer as many interesting story opportunities as any other aspect of sexuality.
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 26 January, 2013, 07:46:31 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 12:40:40 AM
That's true but I doubt you'll find many straight people remotely interested in explorations of homosexuality in comics.
Why?
Exploration of homosexuality offer as many interesting story opportunities as any other aspect of sexuality.
true, but if that was what we wanted we would watch a soap opera.
That single image would make a good t-shirt.
I am not sure that there are very many people who would object to the point where the comic would lose any readers just because a one off strip focused on a gay character, even if there is a Judge fetish undertone. How many readers left in disgust when Devlin Waugh was running? It seems pretty clear - and I won't sopiler tag this because it is just an opinion based on what I know about the character and the comic (gathered through reading every single prog, meg and special) - that Dredd will not be snogging lots of boys or coming out of the closet and won't be trading in his Law Books for any pamphlets on gay pride any time soon.
As a publicity stunt, it has people talking a lot over on Facebook, it has got Dredd in the papers, and a tiny vocal minority of people objecting whether they consider themselves to be homophobes or not doesn't chjange the fact that this story looks like it could be an interesting exploration (in six pages) of a side of Mega City life that hasn't really been explored before, apart from the occasional gay character and the occasional gay club being a location in a story.
I agree that its a very interesting and legitimate angle to pursue. Actually as someone who has only been reading for one year one of my head scratchers as regards dredd is that seemingly asexual aspect of his character. You would need chemically altered to be as devoid of the sexual component as Dredd seems to be and thats factoring in his obsessive approach to being a judge.
Looking forward to the story-line.
Recently, although I can't remember exactly when, there was a cover where Dredd was killed, although my memory might not be exact and it might have been the page inside or last page of the last issue.
Whatever, it clearly showed him dying from a headshot on his bike.
Yet, low and behold it turns out it wasn't him at all but another judge in front of him. But everything was pointed at it being him.
Pretty cheap and you didn't really believe it anyway, more so when you get batches and can read straight away and not have to wait a week to find out.
Same with this. Is 'Dredd' gay?
Damn them, they got us again by making us think it was him and it turned out not to be.
Even after 35 years they still get me every time.
What's the problem? Johnny Alpha and Wulf Sternhammer were obviously a couple and nobody kicked up a fuss about them. "Easy there, big fella" ...
...and Wulf did like his cucumbers...
I am laughing at the gay equals effiminate statements.
As a comedian pointed out, gay men fuck other men. Big, tough, muscly, hairy, rough men. Not soft, curvy, fragrant women. How much more manly can you get than being tough enough to fuck another bloke.
I wouldn't care if DREDD was gay and I welcome the reasoned and well informed discussion and commentary that this publicity will bring.
Just read it, it's a nice story and if anyone is upset by it then they are a dick
Quote from: Tjm86 on 26 January, 2013, 09:28:02 AM
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 26 January, 2013, 07:46:31 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 12:40:40 AM
That's true but I doubt you'll find many straight people remotely interested in explorations of homosexuality in comics.
Why?
Exploration of homosexuality offer as many interesting story opportunities as any other aspect of sexuality.
true, but if that was what we wanted we would watch a soap opera.
Right 'cos Dredd is never used to satirise contemporary views and attitudes is it... oh hold on...
The amount of fuss this is all coursing shows that its perfect fodder for Dredd. It really shouldn't be in this day and age, but clearly still is.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 26 January, 2013, 10:45:29 AM
I am laughing at the gay equals effiminate statements.
As a comedian pointed out, gay men fuck other men. Big, tough, muscly, hairy, rough men. Not soft, curvy, fragrant women. How much more manly can you get than being tough enough to fuck another bloke.
I wouldn't care if DREDD was gay and I welcome the reasoned and well informed discussion and commentary that this publicity will bring.
^^This.
I love the raft of "I'm not a homophobe, but..." statements popping up in discussions about this.
Hold on a minute...Devlin Waugh was gay?
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110104183426/britishcomics/images/f/f3/Img530.jpg)
I'm not a hetrophobe but... if you find yourself making a big deal about it even though it occurs that the story isn't even remotely what people are reporting it to be then HERE is the perfect opportunity to look yourself in the eye and go "maybe - maybe I am the gay one here - not Dredd" Then everything will snap into place and the world may start to seem less confusing to you.
I'm reminded of the quote about Richard Littlejohn in his favourite paper, the Guardian:
QuoteIn the past year's Sun columns, Richard has referred 42 times to gays, 16 times to lesbians, 15 to homosexuals, eight to bisexuals, twice to 'homophobia' and six to being 'homophobic' (note his scornful inverted commas), five times to cottaging, four to 'gay sex in public toilets', three to poofs, twice to lesbianism, and once each to buggery, dykery, and poovery. This amounts to 104 references in 90-odd columns — an impressive increase on his 2003 total of 82 mentions. There is, alas, no space for us to revisit the scientific study which found obsessive homophobes more responsive to gay porn. But Richard, we're begging you: talk to someone.
Bring back Big Dave!
Quote from: Tjm86 on 26 January, 2013, 09:28:02 AM
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 26 January, 2013, 07:46:31 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 12:40:40 AM
That's true but I doubt you'll find many straight people remotely interested in explorations of homosexuality in comics.
Why?
Exploration of homosexuality offer as many interesting story opportunities as any other aspect of sexuality.
true, but if that was what we wanted we would watch a soap opera.
Which is pretty much what happened from the Pit onwards. It had a lot more focus on relationships between characters than previous strips.
It's not like sexuality hasn't been covered before in Dredd, whether it's sex-meks, gender-swapping, male couples with one pregnant, let alone heterosexual relationships.
This really isn't anything new - it's just people falling for the spin on it and over-reacting showing their prejudices, sadly the press like to focus on someone threatening to burn their progs, rather than the people who say "Who's the artist?"
Go ahead and burn your progs! This means that mine will rocket up in value by a couple of pence :D
In the Daily Record today
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filip
Aawww, look what you've done now! The Daily Record suggesting that 2000AD readers are unreasonable homophobes - that's like being called a misogynist by the Sun, or a liar by the News of the World.
Exposure therapy is the only thing for phobias so all those homophobes should go out and get a damn good bumming before reading this week's prog.
I think it is disgusting that digital subscribers will have to burn their ipads and tablets in order to properly show homophobic outrage.
Quote from: strontium71 on 26 January, 2013, 10:44:53 AM
...and Wulf did like his cucumbers...
Where do you think he learned the Schicklgruber silencer technique? That sock was soaked in amyl nitrite.
Dredd sequel is confirmed, Urban replaced by Rylan from Big Brother in 'A-Cock-a-Lips War'
Also Wulf is clearly stated as being Johnny's 'norm' partner therefore in no way possibly a battyman.
Chi
:)
Next they'll be telling us Judge Giant was black the whole time.
So my brother just sent me a scan of one of the tabloid stories. He seems amused.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 12:23:06 AM
The facts are that gay is seen as effeminate by many people (not by me I may add) and that will probably never disappear. So even the people like me (who don't view all gay males as effeminate) will have to put up with people making fun of the character. That's the type of thing Dredd can do without.
It's all very well saying people should grow the fuck up and enter the 21st Century but as much as some people won't like to hear many people will always view gay men as a bit limp wristed. And that won't change no matter how much you throw at them. Making characters like Dredd gay won't do anything for gay rights..it'll just annoy many people who like the character.
If the perception that all gay people are effeminate is true then it's true because all presentations of gay people in media have been effeminate. Having known a flaming queen who could easily punch the lights out of anyone, and known straight people who have have a certain florid and less-than-macho-ness to them, I'd suggest that gay people, like straight people (and bi people, and all people) come in all sorts of varieties, and if media/comics/tv/etc have presented them as one type in the past then THATS been wrong. For my money, Dredd as a sexually repressed gay man looks and acts no different than Dredd as a sexually repressed straight man.
-pj
After much thought , i think Cf and his other Jimps , should gay it up next time at a comic event .... even make a monty python types song up .... just to show his support for Gay Dredd ....
And to add to this thread , it makes no difference to me if Dredd is gay or not ..... I have a mate called gay mechanic dave ..... does not make him any less of a man or mechanic ... everyone to their own ...
Remember boy and girls it only a comic ....
Did PJ just surreptitiously come out?
Since Dredd often deals with stereotypes, it made me a little more nervous when "It's kind of a Village People deal turned up to 100" is mentioned by the writer...
It was a fine story, but it's not really much that hasn't been handled before in the prog, it's only that the media (and the unpleasant side of fandom) jumped on it.
We had the Glyph undergoing multiple gender change procedures, and Toy's unrequited lesbian crush on Halo Jones 30-odd years ago after all.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 12:07:35 AM
Not a good way of advertising Dredd to the world ... Just because someone doesn't want a character to be gay doesn't make them a homophobic bigot ... I know that most straight teenage boys and older men (probably the biggest readers of Dredd) wouldn't be too happy with a gay Dredd.
He's okay, but other folk aren't. This is analogous to Mr Garrison from
South Park's "I'm not gay. But Mr Hat is" line.
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt99/flipray09/DSC_0164.jpg)
A thank you sketch for The Whitt :D
filip
A story where Dredd is stuck butt naked (except for the helmet 'nach) and still dispensing justice would actually be a riot.
In The Bath, Prog 626
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 26 January, 2013, 07:13:01 PM
Did PJ just surreptitiously come out?
I'm neither gay nor straight; I'm married.
-pj
(By which I mean I only have eyes for my wife... Obviously...)
Ballad of Devil Angel - Prog 966.
My tuppence worth, the story certainly isn't worth the hype. Nothing to do with the subject matter, it was just clunky and not that exciting. The final line was appalling too. It reminded me of 90's Dredd quite a bit.
I think the main thing is that it got 2000ad some publicity.
Yup, I just wish it was a better story.
Quote from: pauljholden on 26 January, 2013, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 12:23:06 AM
The facts are that gay is seen as effeminate by many people (not by me I may add) and that will probably never disappear. So even the people like me (who don't view all gay males as effeminate) will have to put up with people making fun of the character. That's the type of thing Dredd can do without.
It's all very well saying people should grow the fuck up and enter the 21st Century but as much as some people won't like to hear many people will always view gay men as a bit limp wristed. And that won't change no matter how much you throw at them. Making characters like Dredd gay won't do anything for gay rights..it'll just annoy many people who like the character.
If the perception that all gay people are effeminate is true then it's true because all presentations of gay people in media have been effeminate. Having known a flaming queen who could easily punch the lights out of anyone, and known straight people who have have a certain florid and less-than-macho-ness to them, I'd suggest that gay people, like straight people (and bi people, and all people) come in all sorts of varieties, and if media/comics/tv/etc have presented them as one type in the past then THATS been wrong. For my money, Dredd as a sexually repressed gay man looks and acts no different than Dredd as a sexually repressed straight man.
-pj
I knew a gay bloke who was a right hard bastard but that doesn't alter the fact that there's unfortunately an effeminate stigma attached to gay men and that's not going to go away no matter what.
Quote from: Thunders McQueen on 26 January, 2013, 09:19:15 PM
I think the main thing is that it got 2000ad some publicity.
I don't mind some gay characters in Dredd. I don't have a problem with a gay judge or two either but making out that Dredd himself might be gay to me is bad publicity and could put potential readers off.
The idea that Dredd has any sexuality he might actively pursue is radical enough without him "having" to be gay. Which does make me wonder the point of all this bollocks. An attempt by Rebellion to drum up some publicity? Or some journo trying to cause a stir?
That also makes me giggle (like a little girl) when people assume gay men are effeminate. I can guarrantee that most of you on this board had friends and aquaintances that have been gay and you have never known it. To look at my eldest daughters brother you wouldn't guess in a million years that he is gay. I even asked him which girl he was trying to impress by saying he was gay.
V
If this was back in the day of Millar/Morrison Dredd everyone would be going nuts. As a PR stunt its pretty desperate.
Also on a side note is Dredd Straight/Gay/Bi if he actually hasn't wet his whistle yet? Maybe we should just put him down as curious.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 10:13:14 PM
I knew a gay bloke who was a right hard bastard but that doesn't alter the fact that there's unfortunately an effeminate stigma attached to gay men and that's not going to go away no matter what.
I disagree I think in wider society* hardly anyone thinks that gay=effeminate any more. (and those that do are likely intellectually and emotionally stunted individuals hardly worth pandering to.)
I also think that making a right hard bastard like Dredd a gay man is EXACTLY the way to alter perceptions about gay men.
-pj
*Though, if I'm wrong on this front, then it's a depressing thought. Society has moved from gay sex being illegal to civil partnerships (and a PM - as loathsome as I find him generally - being in favour of gay marriage) so I refuse to accept that societies perception of gay men remains stuck in a 1970s stereotype.
QuoteSociety has moved from gay sex being illegal to civil partnerships (and a PM - as loathsome as I find him generally - being in favour of gay marriage) so I refuse to accept that societies perception of gay men remains stuck in a 1970s stereotype.
Agreed. I would say the main reason a toffee-nosed twat like Cameron is in favour of gay marriage IS because he is pandering to the majority of people who DO NOT have a problem with gayness.
Speak to young people, they don't carry the same sexual prejudices of older generations. It's called progress.
Quote from: pauljholden on 27 January, 2013, 06:48:38 AM
I refuse to accept that societies perception of gay men remains stuck in a 1970s stereotype.
Dredd's a bike cop. He's only a 'tache away from a disco hit.
Quote from: Ghastly McNasty on 27 January, 2013, 09:58:13 AM
Speak to young people, they don't carry the same sexual prejudices of older generations. It's called progress.
Yup. I'm repeatedly amazed about how unfazed by and grown up my two are about it. It's totally irrelevant to them if someone is gay or not.
New evidence comes to light. Check out everyone's favourite Dredd panel. Dripping with gay references.
(http://www.backfromthedepths.co.uk/art/gaze.jpg)
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 27 January, 2013, 09:59:51 AM
Quote from: pauljholden on 27 January, 2013, 06:48:38 AM
I refuse to accept that societies perception of gay men remains stuck in a 1970s stereotype.
Dredd's a bike cop. He's only a 'tache away from a disco hit.
Yeah, look at Rob Halford from Judas Priest. The only ones who were in the least bit phased at his coming out were the yanks :D Didn't change the music, did it?
Mind you, Dredd doesn't like 'taches. Remember Judge Lopez in the 'Judge Child'?
I don't recall Dredd being remotely interested in anyone, regardless of sexuality. I mentioned this on Facebook, about Judge Dredd being "gay".
QuoteIf you want to test if Judge Dredd is gay, should you offer a) a buddy-cop action movie b) a chick flick with chocolate and vanilla ice cream?
The answer is neither. You just offered a Judge unlicensed movies and an illegal dairy product. Judge Dredd is married to the job. That's 20 years for you, creep.
Anyway, just as a matter of geek banter, and for the sake of uh, homo...sensitive readers, Judge Fargo was straight (or at least bi) since he slept with a female colleague. Since Dredd is his clone we could reasonably conclude that his sexual orientation is same as Fargo's. To change this would require another retcon.
Sparkonaut, are you sure that sexuality is inherited genetically?
QuoteThe idea that Dredd has any sexuality he might actively pursue is radical enough without him "having" to be gay.
I think that Eric Primrose has hit the nail on the head here. The gay / not gay debate is less relevant than the fact that judges are celibate and that Dredd agrees with the celibacy rule (see "Origins"). If in the future someone wrote a story where Dredd started shagging anyone (male or female ) I would consider it a betrayal of the character, given what we know about him. In "Beyond the Call of Duty" when DeMarco kissed him I had no idea what was going to happen in the next issue, but a week later when he [spoiler]spurned her advances[/spoiler] I thought "that's just what he would do" and in retrospect could not imagine why I had dreamed anything else might have happened.
It's all academic though, since this week's story [spoiler]is nothing like what people have assumed it would be by jumping to unfounded conclusions.[/spoiler]
Sorry, I meant Eric Plumrose.
Quote from: pauljholden on 27 January, 2013, 06:48:38 AM
I also think that making a right hard bastard like Dredd a gay man is EXACTLY the way to alter perceptions about gay men.
Ye gods, man! Have you never seen a Police Academy film? Might not a better way of altering perceptions be to have a 'normal acting' gay character who isn't on an extreme end of the macho scale?
I'd be careful of referring to effeminate gay men as '70s stereotypes too. Just 'cos you don't know any, doesn't mean they're not out there and probably wouldn't be too chuffed at your labelling of them or any implication that it's an affectation.
Regarding Dredd, probably not gay... he acted a bit confused and slightly out of character after the DeMarco snog business, suggesting a tiny hint of repressed heterosexuality, but...
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/MalcolmKirk/Dreddampbots_zps1cd94f77.jpg)
"Ridiculous". On the other hand, he did share an appartment with Walter for a while...
Rico as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation)
But since they're clones your guess is as good as mine.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 27 January, 2013, 04:57:56 PM
On the other hand, he did share an apartment with Walter for a while...
... and Maria. Three-way. Got you,
MIK.
She just cleaned up afterwards.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 25 January, 2013, 11:48:24 PM
Not a good way of advertising Dredd to the world.
Au contraire.
I would like to remind boarders that homophobic statements, whether you *think* you're homophobic or not and regardless of how you attempt to get around using the phrase "I'm not homophobic, but...", will not be tolerated on this board. We've already had to delete one thread, let's not go for another, eh?
Quote from: M.I.K. on 27 January, 2013, 04:57:56 PM
I'd be careful of referring to effeminate gay men as '70s stereotypes too. Just 'cos you don't know any, doesn't mean they're not out there and probably wouldn't be too chuffed at your labelling of them or any implication that it's an affectation.
Actually, ye can ignore that bit, PJ. Missed your earlier post and in context it's obvious you're only talking about the idea that
all gay men are effeminate.
I haven't read the story yet, so can't comment on the specifics. I may weigh in again later, after I've caught up. I certainly don't see anything wrong with Rob Williams' comment that Dredd *could* be gay. He's never really expressed a preference, so I guess only John Wagner knows for sure at this point. Either way, his sexual identity is so deeply repressed, it's unlikely it will ever become an issue.
However, I do feel that the way the story was splashed across the tabloids was a bit tacky. Cheap sensationalism as a means of publicity. Not a million miles removed from the death of Superman or Dennis the Menace's shell-suit. I know: there was an opportunity to get people talking about the comic and it's a poor sort of PR that doesn't take advantage of that but still, it didn't sit well with me. After months of world-class writing in both Day of Chaos and Trifecta, it's a one-off about jimps snogging in a nightclub that makes the papers.
He *did* knock Galen DeMarco back, though... ;)
QuoteAfter months of world-class writing in both Day of Chaos and Trifecta, it's a one-off about jimps snogging in a nightclub that makes the papers.
I suspect this is more to do with the obsessions of the British press than with anything else.
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 05:09:52 PM
We've already had to delete one thread, let's not go for another, eh?
Y'big poof.
Quote from: Noisybast on 27 January, 2013, 05:34:29 PM
After months of world-class writing in both Day of Chaos and Trifecta.
Unfortunately, they aren't interested in that. And never will be. So we can either sit in our little niche and moan about that or we can talk to them in language they understand and get them to advertise our product for free. It's not cheap, it's not tacky. It's PR and it is the way of the world.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 27 January, 2013, 05:36:51 PM
QuoteAfter months of world-class writing in both Day of Chaos and Trifecta, it's a one-off about jimps snogging in a nightclub that makes the papers.
I suspect this is more to do with the obsessions of the British press than with anything else.
Tiresome though, isnt it. What did we do to deserve the press we get in this country?
Kept buying it.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 27 January, 2013, 05:36:51 PM
I suspect this is more to do with the obsessions of the British press than with anything else.
I suspect they just re-hashed a Rebellion press release.
Judge Dredd coming out would be actual news, but this was all just tea in a teacup.
Quote from: pauljholden on 27 January, 2013, 06:48:38 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 January, 2013, 10:13:14 PM
I knew a gay bloke who was a right hard bastard but that doesn't alter the fact that there's unfortunately an effeminate stigma attached to gay men and that's not going to go away no matter what.
I disagree I think in wider society* hardly anyone thinks that gay=effeminate any more. (and those that do are likely intellectually and emotionally stunted individuals hardly worth pandering to.)
I also think that making a right hard bastard like Dredd a gay man is EXACTLY the way to alter perceptions about gay men.
-pj
*Though, if I'm wrong on this front, then it's a depressing thought. Society has moved from gay sex being illegal to civil partnerships (and a PM - as loathsome as I find him generally - being in favour of gay marriage) so I refuse to accept that societies perception of gay men remains stuck in a 1970s stereotype.
It's also a guaranteed way of pissing off many established fans and contrary to what some on here think many people still think that gay men are usually a bit effeminate and making already established figures like Dredd gay is certainly not going to alter that . Invent another judge who's gay by all means but leave Dredd as a guy who's probably straight.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:35:19 PM
It's also a guaranteed way of pissing off many established fans and contrary to what some on here think many people still think that gay men are usually a bit effeminate and making already established figures like Dredd gay is certainly not going to alter that . Invent another judge who's gay by all means but leave Dredd as a guy who's probably straight.
I can't be sure whether you've just not bothered to actually READ the whole of the press coverage or, indeed, what people are saying to you on here, or whether you're just trolling for the sake of it. Either way, I think you'd best back away from the conversation before you prove it either way.
Jesus Christ...
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 05:09:52 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 25 January, 2013, 11:48:24 PM
Not a good way of advertising Dredd to the world.
Au contraire.
I would like to remind boarders that homophobic statements, whether you *think* you're homophobic or not and regardless of how you attempt to get around using the phrase "I'm not homophobic, but...", will not be tolerated on this board. We've already had to delete one thread, let's not go for another, eh?
What are you talking about? I'm not homophobic whether you like it or not I'm just pointing out the truth. I don't think innuendos about Dreddds sexuality is good publicity.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:41:10 PM
What are you talking about? I'm not homophobic whether you like it or not I'm just pointing out the truth. I don't think innuendos about Dreddds sexuality is good publicity.
No, you are stating your opinion. And, as a PR professional of more than a decade's experience, I disagree with your ill-informed opinion.
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: Noisybast on 27 January, 2013, 05:34:29 PM
After months of world-class writing in both Day of Chaos and Trifecta.
Unfortunately, they aren't interested in that. And never will be. So we can either sit in our little niche and moan about that or we can talk to them in language they understand and get them to advertise our product for free. It's not cheap, it's not tacky. It's PR and it is the way of the world.
Nope it was a cheap tacky way to get PR .....If the game is played that way , why wasn't headline news ...you must have missed a trick ... D- for effort ...
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 06:39:18 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:35:19 PM
It's also a guaranteed way of pissing off many established fans and contrary to what some on here think many people still think that gay men are usually a bit effeminate and making already established figures like Dredd gay is certainly not going to alter that . Invent another judge who's gay by all means but leave Dredd as a guy who's probably straight.
I can't be sure whether you've just not bothered to actually READ the whole of the press coverage or, indeed, what people are saying to you on here, or whether you're just trolling for the sake of it. Either way, I think you'd best back away from the conversation before you prove it either way.
That's not trolling mate that's just having an opinion on something.
Quote from: Fatboydale on 27 January, 2013, 06:43:21 PM
Nope it was a cheap tacky way to get PR .....If the game is played that way , why wasn't headline news ...you must have missed a trick ... D- for effort ...
I think there are several words missing from that post.
"Why wasn't it headline news?"
Are you serious?!!
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 06:42:53 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:41:10 PM
What are you talking about? I'm not homophobic whether you like it or not I'm just pointing out the truth. I don't think innuendos about Dreddds sexuality is good publicity.
No, you are stating your opinion. And, as a PR professional of more than a decade's experience, I disagree with your ill-informed opinion.
Good. I disagree with your ill informed opinions too but I'd defend your right to say them.
Quote from: Fatboydale on 27 January, 2013, 06:43:21 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 06:10:28 PM
Quote from: Noisybast on 27 January, 2013, 05:34:29 PM
After months of world-class writing in both Day of Chaos and Trifecta.
Unfortunately, they aren't interested in that. And never will be. So we can either sit in our little niche and moan about that or we can talk to them in language they understand and get them to advertise our product for free. It's not cheap, it's not tacky. It's PR and it is the way of the world.
Nope it was a cheap tacky way to get PR .....If the game is played that way , why wasn't headline news ...you must have missed a trick ... D- for effort ...
I think it was cheap and tacky too and I hope it hasn't done any damage to the world of Dredd
Opinions are like arseholes - everyone's got one and everyone thinks every body else's stinks!
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:46:03 PM
Good. I disagree with your ill informed opinions too but I'd defend your right to say them.
But by any definition my opinion ISN'T ill-informed, it is VERY informed thanks to that previously mentioned experience in PR and journalism.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:44:10 PM
That's not trolling mate that's just having an opinion on something.
And *I* said I wasn't sure which one it was, so have a think about the first half of my response to you.
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: Fatboydale on 27 January, 2013, 06:43:21 PM
Nope it was a cheap tacky way to get PR .....If the game is played that way , why wasn't headline news ...you must have missed a trick ... D- for effort ...
I think there are several words missing from that post.
Sadly i suffer from Dyslexia ...but enough of my message was understood ....
This brain child was ill thought and ill conceived , more like something planned in playground ....
Don't care if Dredd is gay or not ..... just think if it all was about PR ..... something smart should have been created for a buzz....
D-
A question to Molch-R:
Since on Wednesday the press are going to twig that "Closet" does not actually out Dredd as gay, and in case they are still interested in the story by then, are there any plans to tell them that actually the Judge Dredd Megazine has had a bona fide gay character (Devlin Waugh) since twenty years ago?
Quote from: Fatboydale on 27 January, 2013, 06:52:11 PM
Don't care if Dredd is gay or not ..... just think if it all was about PR ..... something smart should have been created for a buzz....
Sure, why not - what's your idea to get coverage in all the national newspapers?
The story was good enough to be published and using it to get lots of free publicity in the national press makes absolute perfect sense. there's nothing cheap and tacky about it.
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 06:48:59 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:46:03 PM
Good. I disagree with your ill informed opinions too but I'd defend your right to say them.
But by any definition my opinion ISN'T ill-informed, it is VERY informed thanks to that previously mentioned experience in PR and journalism.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:44:10 PM
That's not trolling mate that's just having an opinion on something.
And *I* said I wasn't sure which one it was, so have a think about the first half of my response to you.
God help anyone who employs you as a journalist or PR man. Obviously you're not very keen on free speech telling people they'd "better back away from the conversation". All I need to think about is your ludicrous response.
Quote from: Richard on 27 January, 2013, 06:52:37 PM
A question to Molch-R:
Since on Wednesday the press are going to twig that "Closet" does not actually out Dredd as gay, and in case they are still interested in the story by then, are there any plans to tell them that actually the Judge Dredd Megazine has had a bona fide gay character (Devlin Waugh) since twenty years ago?
If there was a new Devlin series starting then yes but since there's not, no.
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 06:53:35 PM
Quote from: Fatboydale on 27 January, 2013, 06:52:11 PM
Don't care if Dredd is gay or not ..... just think if it all was about PR ..... something smart should have been created for a buzz....
Sure, why not - what's your idea to get coverage in all the national newspapers?
I don't get paid the big bucks like you to give ideas away ....But maybe a gay Judge Anderson , or was you looking for something original ..??
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:55:21 PM
God help anyone who employs you as a journalist or PR man. Obviously you're not very keen on free speech telling people they'd "better back away from the conversation". All I need to think about is your ludicrous response.
Well, seems to be going pretty well so far. In fact, my bosses couldn't be happier right now.
You're more than welcome to your freedom of speech. But since this is a forum owned and operated by Rebellion, we have every right to give you some friendly advice about not making a fool of yourself any further on a lost argument.
Quote from: Fatboydale on 27 January, 2013, 06:56:28 PM
I don't get paid the big bucks like you to give ideas away ....But maybe a gay Judge Anderson , or was you looking for something original ..??
That's funny.
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 06:55:34 PMIf there was a new Devlin series starting then yes but since there's not, no.
If proof was needed that the Dredd sequel was greenlit, then I'm sure everyone would agree,
this is it :thumbsup:
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 27 January, 2013, 06:59:06 PM
If proof was needed that the Dredd sequel was greenlit, then I'm sure everyone would agree, this is it :thumbsup:
:P
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 06:57:46 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:55:21 PM
God help anyone who employs you as a journalist or PR man. Obviously you're not very keen on free speech telling people they'd "better back away from the conversation". All I need to think about is your ludicrous response.
Well, seems to be going pretty well so far. In fact, my bosses couldn't be happier right now.
You're more than welcome to your freedom of speech. But since this is a forum owned and operated by Rebellion, we have every right to give you some friendly advice about not making a fool of yourself any further on a lost argument.
Who are your bosses...........the Stasi by any chance? If you want to believe your crap then by all means feel free to.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 07:04:23 PM
Who are your bosses...........the Stasi by any chance? If you want to believe your crap then by all means feel free to.
Bless.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 07:04:23 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 06:57:46 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:55:21 PM
God help anyone who employs you as a journalist or PR man. Obviously you're not very keen on free speech telling people they'd "better back away from the conversation". All I need to think about is your ludicrous response.
Well, seems to be going pretty well so far. In fact, my bosses couldn't be happier right now.
You're more than welcome to your freedom of speech. But since this is a forum owned and operated by Rebellion, we have every right to give you some friendly advice about not making a fool of yourself any further on a lost argument.
Who are your bosses...........the Stasi by any chance?
Lol! Way to lose all perspective! :lol:
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 07:06:29 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 07:04:23 PM
Who are your bosses...........the Stasi by any chance? If you want to believe your crap then by all means feel free to.
Bless.
shhhh, they might be listening...
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Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:35:19 PM
It's also a guaranteed way of pissing off many established fans and contrary to what some on here think many people still think that gay men are usually a bit effeminate and making already established figures like Dredd gay is certainly not going to alter that. Invent another judge who's gay by all means but leave Dredd as a guy who's probably straight.
How has it been "established" that Dredd's "probably straight"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Quote from: Steve Green on 27 January, 2013, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 07:06:29 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 07:04:23 PM
Who are your bosses...........the Stasi by any chance? If you want to believe your crap then by all means feel free to.
Bless.
shhhh, they might be listening...
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Look out.....it's Molch R with his copy of 1984 if you look closely.
Christ on a bike- this fucking place... ::)
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:35:19 PM
It's also a guaranteed way of pissing off many established fans and contrary to what some on here think many people still think that gay men are usually a bit effeminate and making already established figures like Dredd gay is certainly not going to alter that. Invent another judge who's gay by all means but leave Dredd as a guy who's probably straight.
Rubbish! Go back to the cave!
Looking forward to the story this Wednesday and you are not spokesman of Dredd fans!
And to Daily Express article, that's too daft, where the source that 2000AD fans will burning their copies?
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 07:13:21 PM
Look out.....it's Molch R with his copy of 1984 if you look closely.
That's a bit harsh - I know I've not got as much hair as I used to, but....
Quote from: Goaty on 27 January, 2013, 07:16:23 PM
And to Daily Express article, that's too daft, where the source that 2000AD fans will burning their copies?
The response to the first teaser image, posted last October (I think), on our FB page.
Whether he's gay or not will have to wait its turn in the queue. The question as to whether he's black or white was there first.
Either way, he's deffo confused, is Dredd.
They'd need to have discovered fire first.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 07:04:23 PM
Who are your bosses...........the Stasi by any chance? If you want to believe your crap then by all means feel free to.
Another fuckhead for the ignore file. It's getting quite crowded in there.
Cheers
Jim
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 07:17:30 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 27 January, 2013, 07:16:23 PM
And to Daily Express article, that's too daft, where the source that 2000AD fans will burning their copies?
The response to the first teaser image, posted last October (I think), on our FB page.
Bloody hell, likes YouTubes, Facebook got many twats.
Quote from: Goaty on 27 January, 2013, 07:30:11 PM
Bloody hell, likes YouTubes, Facebook got many twats.
Sadly, they're not restricted to those two places either...
Quote from: Molch-R on 27 January, 2013, 07:31:47 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 27 January, 2013, 07:30:11 PM
Bloody hell, likes YouTubes, Facebook got many twats.
Sadly, they're not restricted to those two places either...
Yep, we lucky to having you. We worship you, the Mod-master!
Quote from: Goaty on 27 January, 2013, 07:35:57 PM
Yep, we lucky to having you. We worship you, the Mod-master!
Thank you. Your family will be released in due course.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:35:19 PM
It's also a guaranteed way of pissing off many established fans and contrary to what some on here think many people still think that gay men are usually a bit effeminate and making already established figures like Dredd gay is certainly not going to alter that . Invent another judge who's gay by all means but leave Dredd as a guy who's probably straight.
It's noble of you to put yourself forward as a spokesperson for these bigots given you've already stated you don't subscribe to their viewpoints.
Honestly, you should stop worrying about what other people think.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 January, 2013, 07:26:43 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 07:04:23 PM
Who are your bosses...........the Stasi by any chance? If you want to believe your crap then by all means feel free to.
Another fuckhead for the ignore file. It's getting quite crowded in there.
Cheers
Jim
Ignore me all you want I couldn't care less. Have you ever thought that maybe you're the problem seeing as you've got such a large ignore file?
Quote from: pauljholden on 27 January, 2013, 07:48:33 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:35:19 PM
It's also a guaranteed way of pissing off many established fans and contrary to what some on here think many people still think that gay men are usually a bit effeminate and making already established figures like Dredd gay is certainly not going to alter that . Invent another judge who's gay by all means but leave Dredd as a guy who's probably straight.
It's noble of you to put yourself forward as a spokesperson for these bigots given you've already stated you don't subscribe to their viewpoints.
Honestly, you should stop worrying about what other people think.
I worry about the damage it could do to the image of Dredd which I think everyone who likes Dredd should be worried about.
Quote from: Goaty on 27 January, 2013, 07:16:23 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:35:19 PM
It's also a guaranteed way of pissing off many established fans and contrary to what some on here think many people still think that gay men are usually a bit effeminate and making already established figures like Dredd gay is certainly not going to alter that. Invent another judge who's gay by all means but leave Dredd as a guy who's probably straight.
Rubbish! Go back to the cave!
Looking forward to the story this Wednesday and you are not spokesman of Dredd fans!
And to Daily Express article, that's too daft, where the source that 2000AD fans will burning their copies?
Nice to see aggressive old Goaty's still about. If I lived in a cave I wouldn't be saying I don't mind seeing gay characters in the comic would I? All I'm saying is I don't think it's a good idea to make Dredd gay.
I agree, it's important that the one thing the wider world doesn't think about the fascist, genocidal lawman is that he might like the love of a good man.
Good grief.
-pj
The press make it sound as though scores of 2000 AD fans were up in arms and demanding a massive comic-burning session, but in fact it was two people, one of whom may have been being sarcastic --
"Hey, good move Tharg! While normal people will buy the prog and read it for kicks, just think of the extra sales to people who want to be outraged first before setting a pile of them alight!"
-- and one who is an American in the Mid-West, who may well not even a reader of 2000AD, who said he would buy it only in order to burn it.
So not as controversial a controversy as they led us to believe, about a story which turned out not to say what they inferred it said.
Having actually read the story (which was very good, I might add), reading this thread is funny and neck-punchingly irritating in equal measure.
Given that the readership of 2000ad is vanishingly small- I will submit that, even more than usual, any publicity is good publicity.
People are free to disagree, of course. I will feel free to shake my head and walk off as they do so...
I've noticed that a lot of the posters on the FB thread(s) seem to be idiots who haven't bought Tooth in a while, or have never bought it, but want to express disgust at a story that these yet to read.
I think we refer to them normally as "daily mail readers".
Quote from: Richard on 27 January, 2013, 08:32:12 PM
So not as controversial a controversy as they led us to believe, about a story which turned out not to say what they inferred it said.
I am a Master of the Dark Arts, I tell you!*
*not a euphemism.
I wonder if Dredd coped a feel from Logan when ruching him to emergency after meeting Mortis...Alan Bennett eat your heart out.
Molch-R - work worthy of Alistair Campbell :-)
are there any gay boarders with a view on this ? is it offensive or good publicity? and does anyone really care wether a comic character is secretly gay or straight when its been established over 35 years that his only love is the law i'm also wondering if this image was released with a view to court contraversial publicity ?
Quote from: pauljholden on 27 January, 2013, 08:26:07 PM
I agree, it's important that the one thing the wider world doesn't think about the fascist, genocidal lawman is that he might like the love of a good man.
In that context, that there's reason enough Dredd "shouldn't" be gay. Unless, of course, we think an authoritarian tight-ass responsible for the death of an entire megalopolistate really is the best way to portray a gay character.
Quote from: mogzilla on 27 January, 2013, 09:25:01 PM
i'm also wondering if this image was released with a view to court contraversial publicity ?
Oooh, you're a sharp one! ;)
Honesty... I go out for a couple of hours and come back to this! Look what you've done! Look at the state of the place! Go to your room!
Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay!
Thank you! I feel better now!
Also, I think my goldfish may be gay. Any advice?
Is Tharg thinking of introducing an agony aunt page to 2000ad? Could be helpful.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 08:23:01 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 27 January, 2013, 07:16:23 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:35:19 PM
It's also a guaranteed way of pissing off many established fans and contrary to what some on here think many people still think that gay men are usually a bit effeminate and making already established figures like Dredd gay is certainly not going to alter that. Invent another judge who's gay by all means but leave Dredd as a guy who's probably straight.
Rubbish! Go back to the cave!
Looking forward to the story this Wednesday and you are not spokesman of Dredd fans!
And to Daily Express article, that's too daft, where the source that 2000AD fans will burning their copies?
Nice to see aggressive old Goaty's still about. If I lived in a cave I wouldn't be saying I don't mind seeing gay characters in the comic would I? All I'm saying is I don't think it's a good idea to make Dredd gay.
What possible difference would it make if he was gay? He's celibate so it would not affect the character in any way whatsoever. He may well be supressing gay urges, but that would be absolutly no different to his suppressing straight urges as he never acts upon them.
That's the most sensible post on this thread, and on any related thread on any website.
This thread get a
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V
Would be really interesting to know if sales of 2000AD went up for prog 1817.
That was a heck of a lot of coverage for Dredd in the press which is no mean feat. It proved that if there is a story interesting enough then 2000AD can get into the news. I hope there can be more coverage in the future.
It was worth a try. At least it put Dredd and 2000AD in people's minds for a few moments. What's the worse that could happen? Sales go down? Can't imagine that. Piss of a small amount of people? Big deal.
My only slight issue with this is that it could paint a certain picture of 2000AD readers. From my experience many 2000AD readers are actually quite progressive types.
Quote from: Tim Tailz on 27 January, 2013, 10:46:43 PM
What possible difference would it make if he was gay? He's celibate so it would not affect the character in any way whatsoever. He may well be supressing gay urges, but that would be absolutly no different to his suppressing straight urges as he never acts upon them.
Then why even bother? How would "making" Dredd gay actually serve him as a character?
I don't care either way, but as a result I don't seem to be contributing to this discussion which seems to be important for Reasons.
I want to chip in with the PR, though, so if it helps, I can pretend to be against Dredd being gay for reasons I claim are sensible and which I repeat with suspicious regularity in an increasingly hostile manner while picking apart every single post that dares to disagree with my stance on the matter. It'll probably look like I'm trying to disguise homophobia or something, but I'm game, like.
Quote from: Thunders McQueen on 27 January, 2013, 11:11:27 PM
I don't care either way, but as a result I don't seem to be contributing to this discussion which seems to be important for Reasons.
I want to chip in with the PR, though, so if it helps, I can pretend to be against Dredd being gay for reasons I claim are sensible and which I repeat with suspicious regularity in an increasingly hostile manner while picking apart every single post that dares to disagree with my stance on the matter. It'll probably look like I'm trying to disguise homophobia or something, but I'm game, like.
I'm not sure how much I can like a post without it becoming ... y'know ... a bit uncomfortable for everyone not involved.
Its allright, its not by Wagner so its not canon :D
Seriously, havnet read it yet, wont hit the newsies here till thursday, but the promo has been great. I think a lot of 2000ads problem is that lapsed readers dont know its still alive, this can only help.
David
One thing this thread has inspired me to do is to form my own folk/thrash metal/new age band called Gay Dredd.
Just looking for an experienced triangle player. Any interested parties, please contact me at the usual address.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 27 January, 2013, 11:45:47 PM
One thing this thread has inspired me to do is to form my own folk/thrash metal/new age band called Gay Dredd.
Just looking for an experienced triangle player. Any interested parties, please contact me at the usual address.
Don't think there'll be too many gay musicians who are experienced triangle players... Unless I have totally misunderstood what that is...
Didn't Karl Urban play a gay bloke in Shortland Street?
I can't believe you bastards had a big flame war without me AGAIN.
:lol:
Well, they've stopped asking about sequels.
For the moment, anyway.
Isn't this thread ghey yet? Also the greenlit sequel is 'Brokeback Helltrek'.
Can we move on now, please?
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Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 27 January, 2013, 06:35:19 PM
It's also a guaranteed way of pissing off many established fans and contrary to what some on here think many people still think that gay men are usually a bit effeminate and making already established figures like Dredd gay is certainly not going to alter that. Invent another judge who's gay by all means but leave Dredd as a guy who's probably straight.
Rubbish! Go back to the cave!
Looking forward to the story this Wednesday and you are not spokesman of Dredd fans!
And to Daily Express article, that's too daft, where the source that 2000AD fans will burning their copies?
Nice to see aggressive old Goaty's still about. If I lived in a cave I wouldn't be saying I don't mind seeing gay characters in the comic would I? All I'm saying is I don't think it's a good idea to make Dredd gay.
Simple question, have you read the story? Y/N?
I'd say no; either that, or he was so mad he didn't get past the first page.
Personally, my only concern about this script was how the wider subject of sexuality would be handled. 2000 AD sometimes has a 'white, straight, male gaze' thing going on, and hit certain subjects with the subtlety of a massive mallet (or, elsewhere, doesn't seem to realise they exist—as per the issues noted with Flesh). However, I thought this Dredd story worked pretty well, in terms of basic subversion of Dredd (in terms of the first page) and the subsequent story. It would definitely be interesting to know what any gay readers reckon once they've had a read.
Wow.
Y'know I suggested merging the two "Gay Dredd" threads? Never mind. I reckon this one's better off in isolation.
Quote from: Noisybast on 28 January, 2013, 11:41:01 AM
Wow.
Y'know I suggested merging the two "Gay Dredd" threads? Never mind. I reckon this one's better off in isolation.
That's kinda why I didn't do it!
I just read the story.
SPOILERS: [spoiler]Dredd's not gay. Neither of the men kissing in that picture is Dredd.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Supermarine Troutfire on 28 January, 2013, 12:36:15 PM
I just read the story.
SPOILERS: [spoiler]Dredd's not gay. Neither of the men kissing in that picture is Dredd.[/spoiler]
The horror! They did what? :lol:
Oh! Well that's alright then. Got mine this morning but not read it yet as I had to chug off to college in ankle deep water. Don't know if it's that or the story that's got me really wet...
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 28 January, 2013, 12:40:04 PM
as I had to chug off to college in ankle deep water.
Always a bad start to the day, especially it your tie gets it
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Quote from: Hawkmonger on 28 January, 2013, 12:40:04 PM
as I had to chug off to college in ankle deep water.
Always a bad start to the day, especially it your tie gets it
:lol:
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 28 January, 2013, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: Noisybast on 28 January, 2013, 11:41:01 AM
Wow.
Y'know I suggested merging the two "Gay Dredd" threads? Never mind. I reckon this one's better off in isolation.
That's kinda why I didn't do it!
Sort of wishing I'd posted on the other thread instead. Rather too much red-faced bluster and invective here for my liking.
To clarify (and hopefully further distance myself from some of the other opinions expressed on this thread): I don't really care whether Dredd is not shagging men or not shagging women. That was never the issue for me. I just feel the way the story broke in the papers was a rather depressing mix of sensationalist hyperbole and schoolboy sniggering, and drew attention away from some of the strips more impressive achievements over the last year or so. That said, I can totally understand why Molch-R took the opportunity to grab a bit of publicity for the prog while it was available. It is, after all, exactly what he's paid to do. I'd even grudgingly admit he's sometimes quite good at it :P
As an aside, Dredd also turned down Bella Bagley, and she was
drawn by Ian Gibson. The mind boggles...
Quote from: Noisybast on 28 January, 2013, 02:04:00 PM
not shagging men or not shagging women
Funny! :D
QuoteI just feel the way the story broke in the papers was a rather depressing mix of sensationalist hyperbole and schoolboy sniggering, and drew attention away from some of the strips more impressive achievements over the last year or so.
I'm sympathetic to this view. It is regrettable that some of the media seem to have run with the angle "2000ad fans in uproar over gay Dredd strip - they're all homophobic."
Quote from: House of Usher on 28 January, 2013, 02:57:03 PM
It is regrettable that some of the media seem to have run with the angle "2000ad fans in uproar over gay Dredd strip - they're all homophobic."
You ... er ... you have read the comments on the FB pages, yes? And this board hasn't exactly been bereft of 'interesting' opinions on the matter either.
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Quote from: House of Usher on 28 January, 2013, 02:57:03 PM
It is regrettable that some of the media seem to have run with the angle "2000ad fans in uproar over gay Dredd strip - they're all homophobic."
You ... er ... you have read the comments on the FB pages, yes? And this board hasn't exactly been bereft of 'interesting' opinions on the matter either.
So you are saying all 2000ad fans are homophobic?
Quote from: James Stacey on 28 January, 2013, 04:08:23 PM
So you are saying all 2000ad fans are homophobic?
Please don't twist my words. Any outsider would take one look at the threads on that page and conclude that there is a significant number of homophobic comments from people who follow the comic book's Facebook page. Therefore it does not take a wild leap of the imagination to write "2000 AD fans in uproar over gay Dredd strip" because, well, there's the evidence right in front of their eyes.
It's not a particularly nice brush to be painted with in the press over a publicity stunt though is it. :(
Quote from: James Stacey on 28 January, 2013, 04:14:51 PM
It's not a particularly nice brush to be painted with in the press over a publicity stunt though is it. :(
I think you're being a bit sensitive. At no point has anyone said "ALL fans".
Thank you for editing that last comment or I'd have been justified in being over sensitive :lol:
Quote from: James Stacey on 28 January, 2013, 04:14:51 PM
It's not a particularly nice brush to be painted with in the press over a publicity stunt though is it. :(
It doesn't say 'All 2000ad fans'.
You'd have to be pretty silly to read that article and come away with the impression that all readers of Judge Dredd are homophobes. Anyone with any modicum of sense would assume that it's a vocal minority that are 'in uproar' over an issue that, in 2013, we should all really be a little more grown up about.
Despite the content of the tabloid articles it still give 2000AD some much needed free publicity and we got a pretty decent Dredd tale out of it to boot (with great artwork btw). I really can't see a problem here.
It's a problem potentially as it's not showing the quality of what 2000ad has to offer (especially in this case it's incredibly well written as well as drawn) but as that sort of thing isn't easily to get out there why not. But it's not without some problems in my mind.
Fairly obvious that wasn't what was going to be the story though wasn't it.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 28 January, 2013, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: Noisybast on 28 January, 2013, 11:41:01 AM
Wow.
Y'know I suggested merging the two "Gay Dredd" threads? Never mind. I reckon this one's better off in isolation.
That's kinda why I didn't do it!
There's more than one thread discussing this?
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 28 January, 2013, 04:26:24 PM
There's more than one thread discussing this?
It swings both ways.
Quote from: opaque on 28 January, 2013, 04:24:05 PM
It's a problem potentially as it's not showing the quality of what 2000ad has to offer (especially in this case it's incredibly well written as well as drawn) but as that sort of thing isn't easily to get out there why not.
Yes, see my earlier comment. The press aren't interested in how good we think our comic book is.
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Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 25 January, 2013, 11:48:24 PM
Saw this on the news earlier. Could be an amusing story if it's a one off but making out that Dredd might be gay is a guaranteed way of losing readers (even making it ambiguous).
Not a good way of advertising Dredd to the world.
You don't know much about advertising!
Agreed! I haven't picked up a weekly in nearly a year, but damn I'm not missing this one! Dredd's always at his best when dealing with topics some people find uncomfortable: drugs, terrorism, politics, war. Sexuality would make a fine addition if done right methinks, plus with Dredd's character 'maturing' over the years (getting closer with his family, seemingly more lenient with perps than the old days IMHO) it'd be pretty cool.
It does amaze me how anyone could have a negative view towards this, for two reasons:
1) Not ok with homosexuality but ok with violence? It's the same thing with videogames and movies; people seem to have no problem with insane amounts of violence in entertainment, but as soon as sex is addressed (moreso the sex they personally aren't into), the apocalypse happens.
2) We can trust the writers to not fuck up the character. Dredd's been going from strength to strength since conception, I think we owe it to the writers to give them the benefit of the doubt from time to time. Dredd isn't instantly going to start wearing short-shorts and marching in pride parades, he's still gonna be Dredd. He hasn't gone around banging women left and right as a presumably hetero judge, I don't think he's going to start banging men left and right if it's revealed that he's gay.
All in all, looking forward to picking this up, new frontier for the lawman!
Wowsers. I'm not sure that I see any of the posts on here as deliberately homophobic - at least, I haven't got the impression from anyone that they have a problem with gays - Facebook comments are another matter entirely (shock horror - a kids comic pushing the gay agenda! Oh Noes!!!)
I have not read the story yet (will be doing that Wednesday) so as one of the token non-straight people here I can't comment, but all the publicity seemed to be pretty clear that it wasn't, y'know, actually Dredd himself snogging that boy. It's not in his character to be snogging anyone (he's been a snog victim a couple of times I suppose, but I am sure those don't count)
Personally, I don't give a monkeys if Dredd is secretly one of my lot or not - (the argument about whether it is possible to be gay and celibate is an interesting one, are all celibates assumed to be straight, or to have no sexuality at all? Does it matter? is identity really just about who people shag?) - but I applaud 2000 AD for having the guts to address sexuality issues in its flagship strip. And to get some publicity out of it, even if some of the reaction has been 'Did you call my comic character a puff?'.
will see how it has been handled when I get to read it, but by all accounts it has been handled with sensitivity.
Just read the story. Saw the twist coming from day one. So i'm going to get serious now and ask myself 'the' question.
'Does the prospect of Dredd being homosexual affect my opinions on the comic?'
No. Sexuality is a human right, indeed it's the right of all living creatures. There have been records of homosexual Dolphins, Horses, Gibbons, Jays, Finches, even some Shark's have been known to take it in the rear. It's simple, it is a mutation of the brain, but we all have mutations to some degree, be they inherited or developed from the environment, social or natural. In every respect, despite what the church want to to believe, it is 100% natural and a persons sexuality does not make me question them as humans or there worth. My best mate is due to marry his boyfreind of 5 years in August. Have I at any point been creeped out by my drinking chum's choice in sex? No, as soon as I found out I did ask if he was in any way sexualy attracted to him (to which he said no) and I left it at that. It's simple really, if Dredd has homosexual urges, he'll never show them because of his training and vow as a judge, same if he had had heterosexual tendancies. It's all the same thing in the great, boiling pot of morality, there is no wrong way to have sex. Well, excpet pheadophilia and necrophilia of cause. That's just NOT natural. But there arguments for another day.
thanks for the input toni...like most normal well adjusted fans i will be tuning in on wednesday to enjoy my prog (mostly-red seas) and if anyone has a problem with dredd having gay antics in it well shame on you and sod off we dont want you in our merry little band as it has been established its not dredd snogging a bnloke and now can we move back to the burning issues of the day like will julian clary now be in the running for the sequel that wont will maybe ...be ? ;)
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/sam-leith-the-churchill-biscuit-tin-britain-no-longer-exists-8469436.html?origin=internalSearch
Go past Churchill and Dredd bit second article down.
The Guardian tackled it with some humour - http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/shortcuts/2013/jan/27/judge-dredd-gay-comic-book (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/shortcuts/2013/jan/27/judge-dredd-gay-comic-book)
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 28 January, 2013, 04:59:04 PM
Just read the story. Saw the twist coming from day one. So i'm going to get serious now and ask myself 'the' question.
'Does the prospect of Dredd being homosexual affect my opinions on the comic?'
No. Sexuality is a human right, indeed it's the right of all living creatures. There have been records of homosexual Dolphins, Horses, Gibbons, Jays, Finches, even some Shark's have been known to take it in the rear. It's simple, it is a mutation of the brain, but we all have mutations to some degree, be they inherited or developed from the environment, social or natural. In every respect, despite what the church want to to believe, it is 100% natural and a persons sexuality does not make me question them as humans or there worth. My best mate is due to marry his boyfreind of 5 years in August. Have I at any point been creeped out by my drinking chum's choice in sex? No, as soon as I found out I did ask if he was in any way sexualy attracted to him (to which he said no) and I left it at that. It's simple really, if Dredd has homosexual urges, he'll never show them because of his training and vow as a judge, same if he had had heterosexual tendancies. It's all the same thing in the great, boiling pot of morality, there is no wrong way to have sex. Well, excpet pheadophilia and necrophilia of cause. That's just NOT natural. But there arguments for another day.
There can be alot of different opinions within the "church" on this one. This God-botherer has been involved in anti-homophobic work.
Really looking forward to reading this story-line. Ever since I started reading dredd one year ago I have had a huge question mark over his seeming asexual nature or complete repression of his sexual identity.
Quote from: Zarjazzer on 28 January, 2013, 06:40:16 PM
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/sam-leith-the-churchill-biscuit-tin-britain-no-longer-exists-8469436.html?origin=internalSearch
"Many years ago, one of Judge Dredd's senior writers, Alan Grant, visited my school to give a talk (testament to the far-sightedness and discrimination of the school's Literary Society), in the course of which he set us right. "We're all adults here," he said, surveying a sea of pink faces and bobbing Adam's apples. "Well, we're all past the age of puberty, at least. The truth about Dredd is that he doesn't have genitals. We conceived of him as a sort of Justice Department eunuch." I fucking love Alan Grant. If there's an inappropriate and provacative thing to say, he'll find a way to say it.
If you look at the difference between the time Grant was writing Dredd with Wagner and the periods before and after, it's clear that his contribution to their creative partnership was (to a great extent) thinking through the implications of the odd mish-mash of different peoples' ideas which the strip had been up until that point to their illogical, exaggerated, hilarious synthesis and conclusion.
It would actually make a lot of sense for Morton Judd to genetically engineer his creations - who were supposed to never have sex - with no testicles. Strangely, it would make the paradoxical existence of Vienna Dredd more explicable if she could only be the result of
in vitro fertilisation from a sample of genetic material. Rather than a visiting day bunk-up.
Quote from: sauchie on 28 January, 2013, 07:44:13 PM
It would actually make a lot of sense for Morton Judd to genetically engineer his creations - who were supposed to never have sex - with no testicles.
Or maybe not; the
agressive instinct would be gone and Judges would be reciting the Law in
falsetto rather than conducting with a daystick . If anything Judd would find a way to make their balls bigger but their dicks smaller.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 28 January, 2013, 08:02:41 PM
Quote from: sauchie on 28 January, 2013, 07:44:13 PM
It would actually make a lot of sense for Morton Judd to genetically engineer his creations - who were supposed to never have sex - with no testicles.
Or maybe not; the agressive instinct would be gone and Judges would be reciting the Law in falsetto rather than conducting with a daystick . If anything Judd would find a way to make their balls bigger but their dicks smaller.
Girls round your way must less fractious and prone to beating the living shite out of each other than up here. The only time I've taken a fist to the face as an adult, there was a snarling wee madam on the other end of it. Have to disagree regarding the utility of getting rid of the cock too; stopping the bike for a quick slash would become needlessly complicated if it involved finding somewhere to safely and discreetly drop your breeks and spray aimlessly into the wind. Girls
have to ...
QuoteGirls round your way must less fractious and prone to beating the living shite out of each other than up here.
He's in
Dublin.
Quote from: Dandontdare on 28 January, 2013, 06:57:25 PM
The Guardian tackled it with some humour - http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/shortcuts/2013/jan/27/judge-dredd-gay-comic-book (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/shortcuts/2013/jan/27/judge-dredd-gay-comic-book)
Yeah, but then unfortunately you find yourself at the comments section.
To be fair to the Gurndian online, the vast majority of people commenting upon their web stories are actually right-wing trolls, usually congregating around social issue and political articles, though they do also manage to find a way to make reviews of Call Of Duty about Obamacare for some reason.
I did find this comment very funny, though:
QuoteDredd's fans are principally young heterosexual men; who if you read sky news are up in arms about this.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - "young"!
Hey, I'll have you know I've a long way to go before being shuftied off to the crock block.
Quote from: sauchie on 28 January, 2013, 08:15:36 PM
Girls round your way must less fractious and prone to beating the living shite out of each other than up here. The only time I've taken a fist to the face as an adult, there was a snarling wee madam on the other end of it. Have to disagree regarding the utility of getting rid of the cock too; stopping the bike for a quick slash would become needlessly complicated if it involved finding somewhere to safely and discreetly drop your breeks and spray aimlessly into the wind. Girls have to ...
Girls have balls too, though discretely hidden, they're also more sensitive to the testosterone they produce, hence the fisting of your face.
Male clones would still have a wee justice-reg spigot, it just wouldn't be fuck-sized.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 28 January, 2013, 08:22:50 PM
QuoteGirls round your way must less fractious and prone to beating the living shite out of each other than up here.
He's in Dublin.
Is that why you moved to Inverness?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 28 January, 2013, 09:55:02 PM
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 28 January, 2013, 08:22:50 PM
QuoteGirls round your way must less fractious and prone to beating the living shite out of each other than up here.
He's in Dublin.
Is that why you moved to Inverness?
Hell yes.
I don't blame ya.
Reading the comment BTL on that Guardian article was like reading S*j* all over again.
They've obviously, on the whole, not read Tooth in a long time if ever, and have completely lost the plot.
So do we know yet what effect this had on sales of the prog concerned? Up or down, or the same?
My 7 year old wanted to know why Judge Dredd was kissing a man.
The real question they should have asked is, 'Why is Judge Dredd kissing anybody?' And the answer is 'Because it was a dream sequence.'
I said he was sticking the nut on the chap!