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Never heard about this. Apologies if it's been posted before...

http://www.comicsreporter.com/images/uploads/2013-02-01_Nemesis_colour.pdf

Oh my giddy art, if that happens... I wonder what the differences in the two editions will be?

Quote from: blackmocco on 05 February, 2013, 06:34:33 PM
Never heard about this.

That's because we've only just announced it ;)

Shamless pimping time!!
If you havnt read my Comic Archive, One Eyed Jack and the Death of Valiant book, you will have missed me takling to Kevin on how the Nemesis colour series came to be as well as his early career and Mek Memoirs too.
On sale here http://www.comicsy.co.uk/hibernia/

So these collect the Eagle editions. Are these comics included in the (black and white) Complete Nemesis volumes?

Looks amazing in colour btw.

Quote from: Sparkonaut on 05 February, 2013, 06:46:39 PM
So these collect the Eagle editions. Are these comics included in the (black and white) Complete Nemesis volumes?

Not sure what you mean - they're exactly the same comics as the Complete Nemesis volumes, but coloured by Kevin and with a couple of added extras.

Possibly Sparkonaut is asking if these are the Eagle versions, with redrawn and expanded art - as opposed to a newly recoloured by Kev version of the 2000AD originals

That answers my question. So, apart from being in colour, there are a few bits and bobs present in this collection that are not included in the Collected Editions. Might be worth checking out then.

Quote from: Leigh S on 05 February, 2013, 06:51:33 PM
Possibly Sparkonaut is asking if these are the Eagle versions, with redrawn and expanded art - as opposed to a newly recoloured by Kev version of the 2000AD originals

They're neither - it's the art from the Eagle editions, coloured in the '80s by Kev, collected with no tinkering. Plus the hard-to-find Nemesis Poster Prog strip, The Tomb of Torquemada.

Quote from: Molch-R on 05 February, 2013, 06:55:13 PM
Plus the hard-to-find Nemesis Poster Prog strip, The Tomb of Torquemada.

You only had to ask, I've a pristine copy in the Cellar  ;)

Quote from: Molch-R on 05 February, 2013, 06:55:13 PM

Quote from: Leigh S on 05 February, 2013, 06:51:33 PM
Possibly Sparkonaut is asking if these are the Eagle versions, with redrawn and expanded art - as opposed to a newly recoloured by Kev version of the 2000AD originals

They're neither - it's the art from the Eagle editions, coloured in the '80s by Kev, collected with no tinkering. Plus the hard-to-find Nemesis Poster Prog strip, The Tomb of Torquemada.

Technically that's the former then, as Kev tinkered back in the 80s by adding panels to the art and even redrawing panels in the earlier episodes - It's not mentioned in the blurb, and it's a pretty big additional selling point for these (if Kevs colours and the Tomb story that was missing from the other 3 volumes wasnt enough already!)... theres a thread showing some of the differences...

https://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,34291.0.html

Great stuff - I picked up a set of those Eagle reprints last year as a direct result of that thread, and I'll certainly get the collected edition as well.  You can never have too much O'Neill goodness...

Im easily confused, so are these the Eagle comic versions - ie; the ones that Kev redrew certains panels for, or are they as they originally appeared in the Prog - but coloured?
Either way, this sounds like a must-have book.

Quote from: Judge Jack on 05 February, 2013, 08:15:57 PM
...so are these the Eagle comic versions - ie; the ones that Kev redrew certains panels for...

As far as I can tell, yes. 

Jolly good! At a guess - the difference between the two editions will be the covers?
Still, September is a way off yet, so no doubt more info will pop up.

A nice extra would be "torquemadas second honeymoon", which is the only other Kev coloured Nemesis strip... it has been reprinted in B&W in vol 2, but deserves to be seen in glorious colour (the style KEv was employing then is not best served in B&W to be honest).. it'd then have the distinction of being the complete Kev O'Neill cololur Nemesis collection.

There's some of that incredible colour Nemesis work here: http://www.illustrationcupboard.com/artist.aspx?aId=287&page=0

So - story-wise - what exactly does this collect? I'm assuming Books I, II and III? Will Redondo's stuff be coloured as well?

It's beautiful. I want it.

Quote from: Judge Jack on 05 February, 2013, 08:15:57 PM
Im easily confused, so are these the Eagle comic versions - ie; the ones that Kev redrew certains panels for, or are they as they originally appeared in the Prog - but coloured?
Either way, this sounds like a must-have book.

The ones that Kev redrew certains panels for.

Gah. After managing to resist replacing my original versions with the first Warlock files, this looks like a definite purchase. Any clue as to what the difference will be with the Termight limited edition?

A must buy.

So these are reprints of reprints.......

mind=blown

Quote from: Little_Tengu on 05 February, 2013, 11:05:16 PM
So these are reprints of reprints.......

mind=blown

Well, they're reprints of reprints that were (a) in American editions only; (b) partly (small parts, granted) redrawn; (c) coloured, when the original run was in B&W, and coloured by the original artist at that.

It's also a collection of a story that, as far as I know, hasn't been collected for around 25 years.

So, your scornful comment is correct. Your mind should be blown. This is wonderful stuff that hasn't been seen by many.

Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 05 February, 2013, 11:19:37 PMIt's also a collection of a story that, as far as I know, hasn't been collected for around 25 years.

It's in:

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=reprint&page=gnprofiles&choice=nemesis02

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 05 February, 2013, 11:25:30 PM

Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 05 February, 2013, 11:19:37 PMIt's also a collection of a story that, as far as I know, hasn't been collected for around 25 years.

It's in:

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=reprint&page=gnprofiles&choice=nemesis02

Then again, it isn't.

Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 05 February, 2013, 11:19:37 PM
It's also a collection of a story that, as far as I know, hasn't been collected for around 25 years.

So, your scornful comment is correct. Your mind should be blown. This is wonderful stuff that hasn't been seen by many.

I'm fairly certain that there is, in fact, a non-color collected edition of Nemesis The Warlock available in Britain

I also have no idea how my comment could possibly be construed as "scornful" seeing as how it was a joke.

Amazing if this is deffo the Eagle/ Quality re-edit colour stuff.

Quote from: Little_Tengu on 05 February, 2013, 11:29:25 PM

Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 05 February, 2013, 11:19:37 PM
It's also a collection of a story that, as far as I know, hasn't been collected for around 25 years.

So, your scornful comment is correct. Your mind should be blown. This is wonderful stuff that hasn't been seen by many.

I'm fairly certain that there is, in fact, a non-color collected edition of Nemesis The Warlock available in Britain

I also have no idea how my comment could possibly be construed as "scornful" seeing as how it was a joke.

To recap: There are collections of this stuff in various b/w collections but this is the first time the American reprints have been collected together. This is significant because Kev O'Neill produced new artwork in order to reshape the artwork to fit the American comic page dimensions.

Have to confess, I did take your comment as sarcastic as well. The joy of the internet. Hard to read intent.

Quote from: blackmocco on 06 February, 2013, 04:50:53 AM

Quote from: Little_Tengu on 05 February, 2013, 11:29:25 PM

Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 05 February, 2013, 11:19:37 PM
It's also a collection of a story that, as far as I know, hasn't been collected for around 25 years.

So, your scornful comment is correct. Your mind should be blown. This is wonderful stuff that hasn't been seen by many.

I'm fairly certain that there is, in fact, a non-color collected edition of Nemesis The Warlock available in Britain

I also have no idea how my comment could possibly be construed as "scornful" seeing as how it was a joke.

To recap: There are collections of this stuff in various b/w collections but this is the first time the American reprints have been collected together. This is significant because Kev O'Neill produced new artwork in order to reshape the artwork to fit the American comic page dimensions.

Have to confess, I did take your comment as sarcastic as well. The joy of the internet. Hard to read intent.

I find itself rather interesting considering that I recently picked up issues one and six a few weeks ago at my local flea market comics shop for a mere fifty cents, sometimes I take for granted how rare the Eagle & Fleetway/Quality reprints are over there in the U.K.

I think we're rather fortunate to have them at next to nothing prices

I took the comment as dismissive. Sorry.

Quote from: Little_Tengu on 06 February, 2013, 05:33:50 AM

Quote from: blackmocco on 06 February, 2013, 04:50:53 AM

Quote from: Little_Tengu on 05 February, 2013, 11:29:25 PM

Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 05 February, 2013, 11:19:37 PM
It's also a collection of a story that, as far as I know, hasn't been collected for around 25 years.

So, your scornful comment is correct. Your mind should be blown. This is wonderful stuff that hasn't been seen by many.

I'm fairly certain that there is, in fact, a non-color collected edition of Nemesis The Warlock available in Britain

I also have no idea how my comment could possibly be construed as "scornful" seeing as how it was a joke.

To recap: There are collections of this stuff in various b/w collections but this is the first time the American reprints have been collected together. This is significant because Kev O'Neill produced new artwork in order to reshape the artwork to fit the American comic page dimensions.

Have to confess, I did take your comment as sarcastic as well. The joy of the internet. Hard to read intent.

I find itself rather interesting considering that I recently picked up issues one and six a few weeks ago at my local flea market comics shop for a mere fifty cents, sometimes I take for granted how rare the Eagle & Fleetway/Quality reprints are over there in the U.K.

I think we're rather fortunate to have them at next to nothing prices

The reprints aren't rare. They're just unwanted. I was given lots of them by someone having a clearout, then ended up giving them away myself. Why would we buy oddly coloured, reshaped, reprint material - which in many cases has seen people's heads become weird and elongated - when we can buy the original progs or proper collected editions?

This Nemesis stuff is a different story. This book looks like a gorgeous hardback volume, has the added material (none of the other reprints had added parts, IIRC) and has been coloured by the original artist. It's also the first time this material has been reprinted.

- Trout

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 05 February, 2013, 08:55:29 PM
So - story-wise - what exactly does this collect? I'm assuming Books I, II and III? Will Redondo's stuff be coloured as well?

Hopefully some one who has the issues will be able to answer this more definitely, but I was wondering this and so did a little nosey around. According to the Grand Comic Book database (http://www.comics.org/series/2954/covers/ (http://www.comics.org/series/2954/covers/)) it seems pretty certain that the Redondo's stuff was in the series, BUT was coloured by someone called Ian Stead who another quick search reveals also coloured the Eagle Judge Child Quest reprints. Given that Redondo is credited on the blurb we're seen, my guess is its included, but we shouldn't expect quite the same level of adjustment on those stories as will be seen on the Kev O'Neill one's where he sorted it all himself?

Thanks Colin, that seems to make sense.

I'll be buying this whatever ends up being in it, though!

Amazon UK link: (From Forthcoming Thrills thread)

Nemesis The Warlock: Deviant Edition [Hardcover] (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nemesis-Warlock-Deviant-Pat-Mills/dp/1781081719/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360148709&sr=1-1)

Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 06 February, 2013, 09:42:03 AM

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 05 February, 2013, 08:55:29 PM
So - story-wise - what exactly does this collect? I'm assuming Books I, II and III? Will Redondo's stuff be coloured as well?

Hopefully some one who has the issues will be able to answer this more definitely, but I was wondering this and so did a little nosey around. According to the Grand Comic Book database (http://www.comics.org/series/2954/covers/ (http://www.comics.org/series/2954/covers/)) it seems pretty certain that the Redondo's stuff was in the series, BUT was coloured by someone called Ian Stead who another quick search reveals also coloured the Eagle Judge Child Quest reprints. Given that Redondo is credited on the blurb we're seen, my guess is its included, but we shouldn't expect quite the same level of adjustment on those stories as will be seen on the Kev O'Neill one's where he sorted it all himself?

Pretty sure Redondo's art doesn't benefit from the dimension change in the same way O'Neill's does, if I remember correctly...

Any clues as to what size this book will be? Same size as the Eagle comics, or fingers crossed, summat akin to the Dredd covers book? That would be glorious.

Quote from: Judge Jack on 06 February, 2013, 05:48:46 PM
Any clues as to what size this book will be? Same size as the Eagle comics, or fingers crossed, summat akin to the Dredd covers book? That would be glorious.

<insert Homer Simpson drooling sound>

Oh my! And two editions? What a sneeky ploy Tharg. :lol:

Is this going into all of one book or more than one books.

I'm a bit confused about the content due to being unfamiliar with the Eagle stuff. Will the new book feature the whole Nemesis story ie did Kevin O' Neill re-work other artists' contributions or did he just colour his own work; in which case you wouldn't be able to read the complete storyline. I am curious to see the new art, but probably would not buy it if it was only selected portions. Can someone in the know please clarify?

Quote from: Max Headroom on 07 February, 2013, 09:14:08 PM
I'm a bit confused about the content due to being unfamiliar with the Eagle stuff. Will the new book feature the whole Nemesis story ie did Kevin O' Neill re-work other artists' contributions or did he just colour his own work; in which case you wouldn't be able to read the complete storyline.

We think it'll be books I, II and III - Kev only tinkered with his own art, which was the first and third books. So hat you get should be fairly complete, but will only cover up to a certain point in the saga.

Pimping this via Thrill-mail is all well and good, but I'd really like to know what the special edition has that the other one doesn't...  Especially as I can pre-order the standard one from the Thrill-shop and get 50% off (but not so for the fancy-pants edition).

Umpire!  A ruling, please!

Trust in Tharg, Earthlet.

You mean, 'give Tharg your Galactic Groats, Earthlet'...  ;)  For the Dredd covers book we at least knew what the difference was when pre-ordering.  Didn't we?  I definitely want the O'Neill book, though.  With the 50% discount being dangled over one version and not the other, trust doesn't really come into it - just counting beans.

Quote from: Molch-R on 13 February, 2013, 12:47:07 PM
Trust in Tharg, Earthlet.

I love this "lucky dip" approach to special editions. I might pre-order it just to encourage such shenanigans. Knowing what you're buying is dull, dull, dull.

Well, I ordered the Termight Edition :)

Quote from: ming on 13 February, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
You mean, 'give Tharg your Galactic Groats, Earthlet'...  ;)  For the Dredd covers book we at least knew what the difference was when pre-ordering.  Didn't we?  I definitely want the O'Neill book, though.  With the 50% discount being dangled over one version and not the other, trust doesn't really come into it - just counting beans.

Yeah I have to say its making me pause for thought. I'd saved my 50% voucher for just this purchase. Now I'm not quite sure what to do, not knowing the difference between the two editions. If it was just £30 versus £40 maybe I'd have taken the blind punt. £15 versus £20 I'd have defo gone for it. Now its £15 versus £40, that's a much bigger leap and the cries of faith from a marketing droid may not be enough to sway me...

... oh what to do. Still have June to make my mind up (or have my mind made up for me...)

Yep. I'm totally gay for Nemesis but the difference of £15 vs £40 if it just has a nicer cover is a bit much.

Deviant edition = Nemesis cover, £15-30
Termight edition = Torquemada cover, £40- er, £40.

Be Pure, Be Vigilant, Be Prepared to Fork out a Fair Bit Extra for Something and Hope it's Worth it.

I usually wouldn't hesitate, just go for the shinier one - partly to support efforts like this - but my subscription is due and I've just got a few buttons rattling around in my piggy bank...

Meh. I went for it. I'm going to dangerously assume there's something special seeing as it cost me the bare bones of $90 with shipping.

Yes. Not sure if Tharg has shot himself in the foot with the subs offer, as now I'm debating if the special edition is worth an extra £25. As, I guess, are most of the audience for both books.

Seems a bit odd to mail me offering a special edition and then not tell me what is special about it!

And £6 postage! I assume it's lead lined...

Aye, £15 versus £40 (and an unknown quantity at that!) is no contest really. Might as well pre-order the standard; if the special edition turns out to be a must-have I can always buy it in September and bung the standard one on Ebay for £20. That way I've not only made a profit on the whole affair but someone will still be getting it at 1/3 discount from the RRP!

Sounds awful to be so mercenary, but if we're not even going to be told what's different about the Termight book...

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 13 February, 2013, 05:34:33 PM
I can always buy it in September

*checks pre-orders after less than a day*

You sure about that? ;)

DAMMIT! You win this round, Tharg...

Quote from: Jimmy Baker's Assistant on 13 February, 2013, 01:35:15 PM

Quote from: Molch-R on 13 February, 2013, 12:47:07 PM
Trust in Tharg, Earthlet.

I love this "lucky dip" approach to special editions. I might pre-order it just to encourage such shenanigans. Knowing what you're buying is dull, dull, dull.

It's actually just Mars Attacks inside.

Oh my god, they use my avatar as the cover of the Thermight edition  :o :o ! Fame at last!

Maybe they're getting you sign all the copies of the extra-special limited run as well? 

So Tharg gets my money 7 months before the publication of the book?

It's like KickStarter on the sly.

Ah well, I'm in.

Dunk!

Could one of the Command Module's promotions team tell us what will be extra special about the special edition - hint hint ?

Quote from: Dunk! on 15 February, 2013, 02:15:32 PM
So Tharg gets my money 7 months before the publication of the book?

It's like KickStarter on the sly.

Now I would rather be doing it through Kickstarter if it meant more cool things becoming available :)

Is this pre-order a limited time thing (so I should get one now) or could I wait until I get paid at the end of the month?

Just a quick question. Obviously with the Eagle comics Kev O'Neill redrew in part and coloured the Nemesis stories. The colouring on the Eagle comics was done before paper stock improved. With these new editions is Kev O'Neill recolouring the strips based on the template set out in the Eagle comics or are these pure reprints on better paper of the Eagle comics.

Just curious- would these be a good thing to pick up for someone who has never read Nemesis before? I'm interested in the premise.

Quote from: Skullmo on 15 February, 2013, 11:46:58 PM
Could one of the Command Module's promotions team tell us what will be extra special about the special edition - hint hint ?

Not yet. I also like the idea of there being a 'promotions team'. Makes this particular sub-basement feel less lonely if I imagine being surrounded by other droids...

Quote from: Richard T Field on 18 February, 2013, 08:35:35 PM
Just a quick question. Obviously with the Eagle comics Kev O'Neill redrew in part and coloured the Nemesis stories. The colouring on the Eagle comics was done before paper stock improved. With these new editions is Kev O'Neill recolouring the strips based on the template set out in the Eagle comics or are these pure reprints on better paper of the Eagle comics.

These are pure reprints.

Quote from: MercZ on 19 February, 2013, 02:12:04 AM
Just curious- would these be a good thing to pick up for someone who has never read Nemesis before?

They're the original stories, just coloured, so yes.

Quote from: opaque on 17 February, 2013, 05:53:59 PM
Is this pre-order a limited time thing (so I should get one now) or could I wait until I get paid at the end of the month?

Nope, you'll be able to pre-purchase them up until the day of publication. But the limited edition is, obviously, limited.

Thanks :)
I'll just wait a couple of weeks then.

Quote from: MercZ on 19 February, 2013, 02:12:04 AM
Just curious- would these be a good thing to pick up for someone who has never read Nemesis before? I'm interested in the premise.

Does the phrase "pinnacle of comics" mean anything to you?

Does anybody agree that the Deviant Edition of this book has the better cover.

Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 27 March, 2013, 02:43:25 PM
Does anybody agree that the Deviant Edition of this book has the better cover.

They aren't the final covers, they're place-holders, I presume.

What's the difference between the Deviant and Termight editions aside from the price? I'd like to know before I hop on with a preorder.

Quote from: Acid for Blood on 31 March, 2013, 03:05:10 AM
What's the difference between the Deviant and Termight editions aside from the price? I'd like to know before I hop on with a preorder.

That's a secret. Seriously.

I too would love to know and have opted not to order until I do. I know it may mean I miss out, but I'd rather know what I'm getting before I commit. You pays your money, you takes your chance.

I have the "Deviant" ready for pre-ordering, but i want to wait until someone explains what the "Termight" has to being more expensive. As far as the text says, it's the same content.

And one question... i'll get this edition, either Termight or whatever but... i can buy the Nemesis Complete trades, or the material on this first Deviant will be the same, and then the following book too?.
The Complete trades will become "obsolete"?.

You get sent the answer when you order it, but you can't tell anyone else because it's so ZARJAZ.

Quote from: Basilisk on 07 April, 2013, 09:52:55 PM
And one question... i'll get this edition, either Termight or whatever but... i can buy the Nemesis Complete trades, or the material on this first Deviant will be the same, and then the following book too?.
The Complete trades will become "obsolete"?.

The trades can't be 'obsolete', they're all ready the 'complete' originals. There will likely be no more colour collections because only the first 3 books were coloured and reprinted by Eagle Comics and only Books I & II in the Eagle Comics had additional panels added by Kev O'Neill; that's why they're different than the rest:

This special limited-edition hardback is the first ever collection of the Eagle Comics editions, with Kevin O'Neill (League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) colouring his original artwork.

So it's only the three first books+the hard to find story. Then i'll get the "Complete Cases". ;)

In last issue of Comic heroes (#18), at the end of Pat Mills' article regarding Nemesis, it is stated that the Termight edition will feature Torquemada in place of Nemesis. It's a start...

So who plumped for the normal version, rather than the special edition? Because the announcement about the difference between them is coming......

...... soon ;)

I did. You tease.

That came out wrong. I plumped for the SE. Take two: You tease.

Quote from: vark on 04 May, 2013, 01:52:11 PM
In last issue of Comic heroes (#18), at the end of Pat Mills' article regarding Nemesis, it is stated that the Termight edition will feature Torquemada in place of Nemesis. It's a start...

... on the cover of course.
No teasing for me (ordered both just in case  ::) )

I plumped for the normal version because I knew what was in that.

I'm still hanging fire. I kinda figure they might wait until its sold out before announcing the difference, to 'reward' those brave enough to take the plunge. The thing is until I know what it is, its really hard to justify spending £25 extra - my voucher lasts until June I think, if not then I'd be kicking myself!

I've been trying to think about what it could be and the best I can come up with is its signed, might have a print or some such, might be or in the worst case scenario (for those who miss it, best for those that have gone for it) could they even go as far a sketch from Kevin O'Neill?

Now that would be worth £25.

Oh and the other thing I think might make me go for it is if the limited edition was over-sized, so you get all the more of the glorious detail. I don't think they could go as far as having side by side comparisons, though that would be interesting.

If I miss out I can live with that, I'll still have the comics, which is the main thing.

Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 08 May, 2013, 11:52:51 AM
I'm still hanging fire. I kinda figure they might wait until its sold out before announcing the difference

Nah, I may be cruel and merciless but I'm not quite *that* bad ;)

If it's just a different cover I'm going to be annoyed for a more expensive book and postage on top of it :P
But I ordered it anyway just to clear it from my mind as it's going to be ages till it comes out anyway!

I've ordered the Deviant Edition as well.

You're all signed up to the 2000 AD newsletter, yeah?

Yes. So, sometime tomorrow all will be revealed??

Of course not. But by the time you realise that you will have been sucked into his masterplan of subscription, never to unsubscribe for fear of missing your weekly Thrilloganda Missive.

So now we know the difference. Well worth the extra tenner but not worth the extra £25 it would have cost due to the discount voucher so I'm happy with my decision.

Quote from: James Stacey on 15 May, 2013, 11:46:46 AM
So now we know the difference. Well worth the extra tenner but not worth the extra £25 it would have cost due to the discount voucher so I'm happy with my decision.

Yeah tend to agree with that assessment. Still good to know... assuming there's not more to come!

So, what is the difference?

QuoteCopies of the special 'Termight' edition of the colour Nemesis the Warlock book will include TWO exclusive art prints signed by Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neill.

From the 2000ad newsletter just arrived in my inbox.

Thanks Colin, just got it (must take an extra 45 seconds for the email to transmit to the Emerald Isle).
Good stuff, will pick one up.

That's not the *only* difference (it's all I could fit in to the newsletter!).

Also: each copy will be individually numbered, carry a marker ribbon, have a different cover
and dust jacket, and is strictly limited to only 200 copies.

Just bought one...£9 postage to Ireland  :'(
(Shakes malnourished fist....Better get to me in good nick!)

Quote from: Molch-R on 15 May, 2013, 12:11:26 PM
That's not the *only* difference (it's all I could fit in to the newsletter!).

Also: each copy will be individually numbered, carry a marker ribbon, have a different cover
and dust jacket, and is strictly limited to only 200 copies.

Wonderful :) Now that is what you call a special edition. Got to love numbers and signatures!

I've not seen these prints yet so I will reserve judgement but if they are nice, individually signed and limited to 200, then that seems like a good deal to me!

Quote from: opaque on 15 May, 2013, 12:43:56 PM

Quote from: Molch-R on 15 May, 2013, 12:11:26 PM
That's not the *only* difference (it's all I could fit in to the newsletter!).

Also: each copy will be individually numbered, carry a marker ribbon, have a different cover
and dust jacket, and is strictly limited to only 200 copies.

Wonderful :) Now that is what you call a special edition. Got to love numbers and signatures!

Yep, that does sound pretty darn good, doesnt it. Now to recount the washers and bottle tops in my piggy bank...

...just enough,  ;)
And now ordered!

I don't have enough, but be sure to post pic's when you get them guys.

http://downthetubescomics.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/be-pure-be-vigilant-be-first-to-get.html

You get both prints and they are individually signed by both Pat and Kevin.

Quote from: Molch-R on 16 May, 2013, 11:16:53 AM
http://downthetubescomics.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/be-pure-be-vigilant-be-first-to-get.html

You get both prints and they are individually signed by both Pat and Kevin.

They're something alright.
Very much looking forward to getting this.

"...the first ever collection of the extremely rare Eagle Comics editions from the 1980s..."

Over-egging the pudding a little there, I feel.

Regardless, a must-buy collection.  Still not sure I'll fork out the extra for the prints - with original O'Neill Nemesis art at home I don't really think I'll jump, though.

Quote from: ming on 16 May, 2013, 11:41:13 AM
with original O'Neill Nemesis art at home I don't really think I'll jump, though.

Show off!  :D

Quote from: ming on 16 May, 2013, 11:41:13 AM
Over-egging the pudding a little there, I feel.

You're aware of my trade, yes? ;)

As a compulsive collector of these kind of editions, I must say that 40£ is a bargain for quite a limited numbered edition with two signed plates. I'm happy to be one of the two hundred. :)

Quote from: Molch-R on 16 May, 2013, 11:16:53 AM
http://downthetubescomics.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/be-pure-be-vigilant-be-first-to-get.html

You get both prints and they are individually signed by both Pat and Kevin.

Stak! Stevie'll ordering both editions as soon as some unplanned expenses are out of the way.

OK sold!   :)

The full details: http://2000adonline.com/news/17-05-2013/signed_prints_for_nemesis_book/ (http://2000adonline.com/news/17-05-2013/signed_prints_for_nemesis_book/)

I would have liked to see the special edition come with a free Kevin O'Neil.

Quote from: Molch-R on 17 May, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
The full details: http://2000adonline.com/news/17-05-2013/signed_prints_for_nemesis_book/ (http://2000adonline.com/news/17-05-2013/signed_prints_for_nemesis_book/)

I am so happy about this edition that I have verified at least twice that I had already ordered it a few weeks ago.

Quote from: Molch-R on 16 May, 2013, 11:58:11 AM

Quote from: ming on 16 May, 2013, 11:41:13 AM
Over-egging the pudding a little there, I feel.

You're aware of my trade, yes? ;)

There can't be too many eggs in what Molch-R puts out. It is up to us to know what our daily recommended eggage is.

I recall sniggering when I read about the Eagle prints being rare when I wrote my 'Previews' article last night. I stuck with

Quote from: Judge-Tutor SempleThis is a hard back collectors edition of the coloured version previously printed in USA by Eagle

Just had a look at what ill be recieving,  courtesy of Molch's link. Very nice.
Btw, what size is the book? Roughly the same size of the Eagle comics - and TPB's in general, or larger?

Quoting the front page......

2000 AD is proud to announce that copies of the special 'Termight' edition of the forthcoming colour Nemesis the Warlock book will include TWO exclusive art prints signed by creators Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neill.

The 'Termight' edition is available ONLY through the 2000 AD online shop and each copy will be individually numbered, carry a marker ribbon, have a different cover and dust jacket, and is strictly limited to only 200 copies.

The hardback, with its two editions, is the first ever collection of the extremely rare Eagle Comics editions from the 1980s, with Kevin O'Neill (League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) colouring and adapting his original artwork. The standard 'Deviant' edition, without art prints, is now available for pre-order and will be available through book and comic stores in September. Both editions include the hard-to-find 'Nemesis Poster Prog' story The Tomb of Torquemada.

However, the 'Termight' edition is available ONLY through the 2000 AD online shop. Each copy will be individually numbered, carry a marker ribbon, have a different cover and dust jacket, and is strictly limited to only 200 copies, with many of those already reserved on pre-orders.

One of 2000 AD's most successful and famous characters by two of its greatest creators - and black-and-white bestsellers for decades - this colour limited-edition collection of the original Nemesis stories is an absolute must for new and old fans alike.

AVAILABLE FOR PRE-ORDER NOW FROM SHOP.2000ADONLINE.COM

STANDARD 'DEVIANT EDITION'
Price: £30
ISBN: 978-1-78108-171-6
Published: 12th Sept 2013
Market: UK and Ireland
Available through: Diamond, Simon & Schuster

200-COPY 'TERMIGHT EDITION'
ONLY AVAILABLE THROUGH THE 2000 AD ONLINE SHOP
Individually numbered with alternative cover, marker ribbon, dust jacket and two art prints signed by Pat Mills and Kevin O'Neill
Price: £40
Michael Molcher

Friday 17th May 2013

I've just been to the shop to pre-order the Termight edition , and it's not showing up - have they all been allocated?

Quote from: strontium71 on 22 June, 2013, 03:23:27 PM
I've just been to the shop to pre-order the Termight edition , and it's not showing up - have they all been allocated?

There were only 200 so I'd assume so.

Ah shoot.

Guess this means that Stevie's tax return is going to have to go to the dentist anyway.  :(

Quote from: The Cosh on 22 June, 2013, 04:01:10 PM

Quote from: strontium71 on 22 June, 2013, 03:23:27 PM
I've just been to the shop to pre-order the Termight edition , and it's not showing up - have they all been allocated?

There were only 200 so I'd assume so.

Nice to hear its, possibly, sold out - for Rebellion. Not so good for folks that was hoping to snag a copy of this Ltd Ed.
Almost keep forgetting ive got a copy paid for. September is still a long ways of yet.

I had to make sure that I had the overtime to be able to afford one - this AND Zenith are using some of my treat money up - and as soon as I was sure: no book available  :(

Quote from: Judge Jack on 23 June, 2013, 09:55:01 AM

Quote from: The Cosh on 22 June, 2013, 04:01:10 PM

Quote from: strontium71 on 22 June, 2013, 03:23:27 PM
I've just been to the shop to pre-order the Termight edition , and it's not showing up - have they all been allocated?

There were only 200 so I'd assume so.

Nice to hear its, possibly, sold out - for Rebellion. Not so good for folks that was hoping to snag a copy of this Ltd Ed.
Almost keep forgetting ive got a copy paid for. September is still a long ways of yet.

This week's news email has it at the last 60 copies.  Been umming and awing for a while but finally took the plunge.  Gone through okay but didn't the same thing happen with the Zenith?  Disappeared then reappeared?  Bit of a sneaky marketing strategy going on?

Quote from: Tjm86 on 31 July, 2013, 05:20:59 PM
Bit of a sneaky marketing strategy going on?

Nope, the Zenith disappearing act was due to the shop crashing periodically. With the Nemesis book, we had to put a hold on the last 60 due to issues with the printing, but that's all sorted now so they're up for grabs.

Thankful that there was an issue , as I'm now able to order one. Really thought I'd lost the chance.

Quote from: Molch-R on 01 August, 2013, 10:18:05 AM
Nope, the Zenith disappearing act was due to the shop crashing periodically. With the Nemesis book, we had to put a hold on the last 60 due to issues with the printing, but that's all sorted now so they're up for grabs.

Whatever the reason, I'm with Strontium71 on that one ... it's an ill wind and all that!  Looking forward to it.

Nothing worse than making a decision and then having it taken away from you so I'm glad you've now ordered one strontium71 :)

Credo!

Both editions ordered.

Brilliant! Mine's just turned up! I only ordered it on Monday so I'm well impressed.

Wait, what? I thought this wasn't out until Sept 12th? Does this mean I can expect my Deviant Edition soon?

It would be nice if the Limited edition version turned up early - and i seem to remember that the Art of Dredd book did just that. Either way, nearly there!

Termight edition just turned up. It looks ok I guess but I somehow thought it would be bigger. And the book isn't numbered it's just the two postcard things that are numbered which is a shame. I'm number 133.

Quote from: DoomBot on 16 August, 2013, 08:48:59 AM
Termight edition just turned up. It looks ok I guess but I somehow thought it would be bigger. And the book isn't numbered it's just the two postcard things that are numbered which is a shame. I'm number 133.

How big is it?  Compared to, say, the Art of Dredd book (or a Case Files volume)?  I'm still tempted to go for this, despite having the extremely rare ( ;)) single Eagle issues...  Will be interesting to hear some more views on this edition, anyway.

Quote from: ming on 16 August, 2013, 08:57:17 AM
How big is it?  Compared to, say, the Art of Dredd book (or a Case Files volume)?  I'm still tempted to go for this, despite having the extremely rare ( ;)) single Eagle issues...  Will be interesting to hear some more views on this edition, anyway.

About half an inch taller and wider than a standard case book and about three quarters of an inch thick including the chunky hard cover

Sounds like the repro is a little bigger than the Eagle versions, then.  With O'Neill, the bigger, the better!

Quote from: DoomBot on 16 August, 2013, 08:48:59 AM
Termight edition just turned up. It looks ok I guess but I somehow thought it would be bigger. And the book isn't numbered it's just the two postcard things that are numbered which is a shame. I'm number 133.

Fingers crossed mine should be here soon then. Slight shame that the books not numbered, but hey...

And low and behold, mine arrives today as well.  :thumbsup:

For a size comparision -


And the back -


A nice looking book, and a quick flick through it, the art repro inside looks decent enough for a vintage story - and id imagine that available source materials for reprinting this would have been quite limited.  And nice to have the signed cards, as well. (Im #103, btw).

So some good (re)reading is on the cards later tonight.

Looks lovely JJ, looking forward to getting mine soon.

So glad I went for the Deviant edition on that evidence. I mean, the Termight one looks lovely and all, but not 'the difference between £40 amd £15'-type of lovely.

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 16 August, 2013, 01:49:04 PM
So glad I went for the Deviant edition on that evidence. I mean, the Termight one looks lovely and all, but not 'the difference between £40 amd £15'-type of lovely.

Agreed. Looks great but vindicates my choice.

That is a lovely cover.

It would be nice to make the special editions even more special somehow.

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 16 August, 2013, 01:49:04 PM
So glad I went for the Deviant edition on that evidence. I mean, the Termight one looks lovely and all, but not 'the difference between £40 amd £15'-type of lovely.

Well depends on how much you think 2 limited edition prints are worth I guess (I'm #109) and until I have a normal version it'll be hard to do a full comparison. I like the book cover under the sleeve though.

Quote from: opaque on 17 August, 2013, 04:57:54 PM
I like the book cover under the sleeve though.

It does look rather nice, doesnt it. Still not had chance to start this yet, but another flick through it reveals it is a lovely book - all told.

I guess if folks can get it for £15, then why not. But its nice to have the Limited Edition version - The 'Termight' edition is available ONLY through the 2000 AD online shop and each copy will be individually numbered, carry a marker ribbon, have a different cover and dust jacket, and is strictly limited to only 200 copies..

If I get a gold marker pen and write in '1' does that make mine even more special as it will be the only individually numbered one?

So your copy isnt individually numbered?  Hope you keep the receipt,  ;)

Deviant edition is £19.20 on Amazon now:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nemesis-The-Warlock-Deviant-Edition/dp/1781081719/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376936768&sr=8-1

Oddly, they still don't have a photo of the cover up.

Mine arrived on Saturday - and think £40 was a fair price, because of the prints.

Then got out my old Titan to see if I could find some of the differences mentioned, and realised I actually prefer black and white.

My Deviant edition arrived this morning under the most elaborate postal packaging I've seen for a book. Production values are awesome, reproduction less so but I guess the source was limited. Any excuse to re-read Nemesis is a good excuse.

The packaging is rather good though isn't it. Big but oh so protective.
I got my Deviant edition today as well (yes I tend to have to buy everything!) and it is interesting how much of a difference the red ribbon makes :P

I think it's much better in the original too but it is certainly interesting to see the colours chosen.
Mind you even black and white can look bloody awful if done or reproduced badly (see the episodes of Slaine we've had so far for examples)

Well before I set myself up for slings and arrows I want to just point out that having received my copy of the Deviant edition upon arriving home from work today I can safely say its one of the best £15 I've spend (I used my 50% off voucher to get this and some other stuff). As soon as it arrived I rushed to the attic to retrieve my copy of Titans 'Death To All Aliens' so I could compare and contrast.

Heavens to Murgatroyd the work that Kevin O'Neill put into converting the stories is incredible. Certainly in the early stories. There are a couple of choices that left me scratching my head - the reveal of Nemesis in the crashed Blitzspear is such a beautiful panel, but I can kinda see its not the reveal it might be, but still cutting it breaks my heart! Still some of the extra stuff is just superb.

On the downside the reproduction ain't great, I assume due to what was available to print from. The other big negative... and I appreciate that I'm going to get run out of town for this, but what the heck... is I'm not a big fan of most of Kevin O'Neill's colouring in the book. There are moments when its astonishing, the close up of Nemesis hanging, red eyes glaring is quite breathtaking. Over all though I found it murky (maybe down to the reproduction) and detracts from the beauty of the black and white art. I see that its appropriate for the tone of the story, it just doesn't work for me and pulls the art down sometimes rather than elevating it as in the case I mention and a few other examples. Over all and putting aside the fact this edition has Book 3 (!) I much prefer my black and white book.

All that negativity aside for £15 this is a beautiful package, its a great compilation and has so much in it is just fantastic, but I'm very glad I got this version rather than shelling out £40, though I get why others are so pleased with the Termight edition, which it has to be said as two much better covers, they are just glorious.

Oh and one final thing it smells bloody fantastic. My wife asked me why I licking my comic book, I explained that I was just taking in the smell not actually licking it, stuck it under her nose and she agreed its a nasal delight.

Mine just arrived today.
I'm very happy with the item (my prints are number 50 of 200, and they're great).

As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the book was excellently packaged- kudos to our friends in Rebellion.
Bodes well for receiving The Complete Zenith without any shipping damage.

Quote from: Link Prime on 22 August, 2013, 02:28:11 PM
(my prints are number 50 of 200, and they're great).

That makes you the current front runner, Rich!

#56 arrived today in France. Kudos for Rebellion's perfect packaging!
Today I am simply happy.

So I understand that the regular deviant edition has been released but is it only available for now through the 2000 ad's shop (it is not out for example at amazon uk)?

Also, on the first panel of eagle Comics reprint I have a strange spot near Torquemada's jaw where the colors are faded (see picture attached). Is it only on my copy?

About Kevin O'Neill coloring, I really like what he has done comparing to other US reprint of Nemesis. But indeed his work was clearly intended for a B&W publication (see my preferred panel picture below). What he will be capable of after (the poster prog strip and most of Marshal Law's stuff) does not cease to amaze me.

On my last post my second question (and picture attached) relates to the first panel of my Termight edition.

There's no blemish/colour fading spot present on my copy Vark.

Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 21 August, 2013, 08:27:05 PMOn the downside the reproduction ain't great, I assume due to what was available to print from.

A couple of people have now mentioned the reproduction on this book isn't so great; does anyone have any examples of the sort of issues that have been seen in comparison to the original Eagle Comics series? (Since I've got the original US comics I'd like to know whether it's worth my while 'double-dipping' on this reprint volume if the repro is particularly bad.)

If i get the chance ill post some comparision panels. The Eagle originals are crisper, and some of the reprinting looks a tad murky in places. But all told, i wouldnt say the repro is bad at all. Far from it.

Quote from: Judge Jack on 27 August, 2013, 05:12:30 PM
The Eagle originals are crisper, and some of the reprinting looks a tad murky in places.

Yeah murky is the best word for it.

Everything looks a bit soft and the colours look over saturated. It looked better in the American reprint comics. The graphic design is ace and its a lovely package

I'm keeping it because it does smell bloody nice...CREDO!

Some one-off sculpts by a guy called Peter Fussey.

Bloody hell, those are gorgeous -  WANT!

That thin 'n crispy Blitzspear is incredible... Someone (3A?) really needs to make something like that.

Hey - I'm Number 36. I win in the most pathetic manner possible (so far).

Been going through the book and over all I think the colouring is fine. It seems to suit Redondo's more open style than it does O'Neill's, where it can be a bit inconsistent I think. I definitely prefer O'Neill's monochrome version though.

M.

Wow those sculps are a bit good. I love if there was a mass produced Nemesis figure and that Blitzspear is a work of wonder

Well, there's something to humble you real fucking quick. THAT's what someone can make out of a cereal box!!!!! WHY isn't this for sale and WHY don't I have one?

Quote from: Steve Green on 29 August, 2013, 10:52:05 AM
Some one-off sculpts by a guy called Peter Fussey.

Oh my......

Simply glorious. There's some very talented people out there.
Love to see the Blitzspear fully painted up. Where'd you come across these photos, Steve?

The sculptor posted it in a reply to the Nemesis news item on the 2000AD FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=453304504700335&l=f5695008ab (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=453304504700335&l=f5695008ab)

Cheers for the link, Steve. I see the Blitzspear model was started in the early 90's, but alas, never finished.
Still, its incredible isnt it.

"What did you get from Great Britain I had to sign for?" my wife asked.  #64 in Cincinnati, Ohio. About to dive in.

'S a great collection, although the colours do swamp the linework a little. Not sure I'd want to replace the phonebooks with this, but as an optional accompaniment it's fantastic. Fascinating to see O'Neill's little extras and additions and tweaks. Glad that 'Day in the death of Torquemada' is included, and it was great to get to read 'Tomb of Torquemada' - as a pretty huge Millsverse afficianado I was genuinely excited to find out that Torque had two previously (and subsequently) never-mentioned wives before Candida! Who knew?

Also glad that the 'Torquemada's family' star scan finally gets a showing - its omission from the phonebooks was a real shame, not least because Mircalla, Barbarossa and Pandora got so few in-strip appearances.

One major annoyance for me, though - why does the stand-alone 'The Sword Sinister' appear halfway through the climactic scenes of Nemesis Book I, thereby totally runing the flow of the story?! Is that a legacy of the original Eagle comics?

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 31 August, 2013, 06:14:59 PM

One major annoyance for me, though - why does the stand-alone 'The Sword Sinister' appear halfway through the climactic scenes of Nemesis Book I, thereby totally runing the flow of the story?! Is that a legacy of the original Eagle comics?

Yes, this book reprints the original Eagle comics exactly like they were published (I have compared page by page).

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 31 August, 2013, 06:14:59 PM
One major annoyance for me, though - why does the stand-alone 'The Sword Sinister' appear halfway through the climactic scenes of Nemesis Book I, thereby totally runing the flow of the story?! Is that a legacy of the original Eagle comics?

Seem to remember an interview with PAt where he calls the sword sinister story part ?? of Nemesis book 1, so it may have been placed in the main story on that basis, though you would imagine it would be before the breakout starts...?

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 31 August, 2013, 06:14:59 PM
Not sure I'd want to replace the phonebooks with this

Or the Titan book with the Phone book ;)

Quote from: Skullmo on 31 August, 2013, 10:25:49 PM

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 31 August, 2013, 06:14:59 PM
Not sure I'd want to replace the phonebooks with this

Or the Titan book with the Phone book ;)

Except the exclusion of Jesus Redondo makes the Titan books beautiful and annoying at the same time...

Quote from: ming on 01 September, 2013, 08:28:15 AM

Quote from: Skullmo on 31 August, 2013, 10:25:49 PM

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 31 August, 2013, 06:14:59 PM
Not sure I'd want to replace the phonebooks with this

Or the Titan book with the Phone book ;)

Except the exclusion of Jesus Redondo makes the Titan books beautiful and annoying at the same time...

Like most people I think, I just assumed they had not reprinted it because it was rubbish. When it appeared in the Monthly I realised that was not the case.


Having said that, it is always slightly tainted for me because up until the 1990s I never even know that it existed.

I'm a big fan of Book Two but I do worry about the fact (well of course I don't actually worry about, I hope I've got bigger fish to fry than that!) when I had the Titan editions back in the day I didn't notice I was missing anything for a couple of years or what not. I love it but its clearly not essential.

Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 02 September, 2013, 04:53:55 PM
I'm a big fan of Book Two but I do worry about the fact (well of course I don't actually worry about, I hope I've got bigger fish to fry than that!) when I had the Titan editions back in the day I didn't notice I was missing anything for a couple of years or what not. I love it but its clearly not essential.

I think I'm right in saying that it was more or less written to give Kev time to make a decent dent in Book III, so the big continuity-troubling moments were presumably saved for Kev to do.

Anything that depicts Torquemada as a chapel painting; as a young boy sold into slavery and as a giant spider - all drawn by Redondo - is essential.

Have finally gotten around to reading this over the past weekend. Will agree with what others have said about the muddy printing, but what I have found is that I am still as blown away by the first couple of stories in this volume as I was when I first read them all those years ago. Have always loved the one with the concorde bird creatures and the skyscraper landscapes they have their nests in. The sheer inventiveness of Mills and O'Neill in these sequences is a joy and it still gives me a rush of excitement to this day.
Also how about re-printing some more of the Eagle comics line in hard back editions. I guess with the recent colour Dredd classics from IDW we won't have the Dredd stuff collected up but how about the Robo-Hunter or Stainless Steel Rat series?

...and another thing, it has only just occurred to me that the DJ/news presenter on the first story page looks like Kenny Everett. If this was intentional then it took thirty three years for the penny to drop!

Quote from: gavingavin on 09 September, 2013, 03:31:53 PM
...and another thing, it has only just occurred to me that the DJ/news presenter on the first story page looks like Kenny Everett. If this was intentional then it took thirty three years for the penny to drop!

It was (intentional), and it did (take that long to drop).

I remember reading it at the time when KE was a huge star on TV and radio.

Quote from: gavingavin on 09 September, 2013, 03:31:53 PM
...and another thing, it has only just occurred to me that the DJ/news presenter on the first story page looks like Kenny Everett. If this was intentional then it took thirty three years for the penny to drop!

There's a thread for that kind of thing here: http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,35063.0.html

:)

I found an O'Neill overview of the Eagle comic series in an old FA 'Zine, anyone interested its here.

AHH no edit, try this https://www.facebook.com/HiberniaComics/photos/pcb.703938363050997/703938296384337/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/HiberniaComics/photos/pcb.703938363050997/703938296384337/?type=1&theater)

A great read that, David  :thumbsup:

Necropost - or should I say Necropolispost. Anyway I've finally actually read the book as opposed to flick through it. Well book 1 anyway tonight and all its left me is a little frustrated. I'll put aside my issues with the colouring and reproduction and rather reflect on the fact that I seem incapable of picking up this book and simply reading it.

I tried to just read it and evaluate it in its own right but NO I just couldn't resist getting out my 'Death to All Aliens' as soon as I'd finished it and doing another compare and contrast. And as I say quite infuriating.

Why.

Well its the changes, some of them really weaken the storytelling. Some of them are superfuious and simply Kev O'Neill putting in a heck of a lot of work to make the format change as smooth as possible. Some of them really enhance the storytelling. I've not done a straight count but I'd guess its almost honours even across the three, possible if I was pushed for an order I'd go (from most to least) Superfuious, improved, hampered.

So why does this infuriate me. After all we problably have more good than bad. Well its simple and reflects the debate elsewhere about the Cursed Earth reprints. Just like that all this volume does is make clear we will never have the definative version of Book 1. No one's fault at all. Even if a reprint of the the original, glorious black and white version in original size and with perfect reproduction and I'll always know there's a version where some of the storytelling is improved.

Damnit one of my all times favourite comics will never know perfection... of course the nerd in me rejoices at this as I will always read one or another and be able to compare and contrast the minor details of the changes and the impact on the story... so yah know actually its a good thing isn't it!

Interesting post Colin.

I have recently re-read Nemesis books I,II, III and IV in "The Complete Nemesis" but have never read the Deviant addition. I was struck at how easy the story was to follow and to recognise all the characters. I think that was in part because of the little text boxes explaining who was who that appeared fairly regularly. This seems to be a practice that has fallen out of favour and it did strike me as a little old fashioned. However I would take that any day over not following the story (although it was fairly annoying when I read Invasion!).

Anyway I was wondering what the differences were in the Deviant addition that enhanced the story telling and if you would recommend the Deviant Addition.

As to the definitive version? I always tend to view what is printed in the Progs as the definitive version. Given that I missed most of the first 126 Progs but have collected editions of a lot of what I missed, I hadn't realised that the last page of Loser's Leap had been changed - to me the changed version in the Titan version had been all I knew, so it was very interesting to find out that was an "uncensored" version.

Similarly I have some Quality Comic Dredd re-prints and it was only when I read the Case Files that I realised they had changed some of the art. Sure it was a different aspect ratio so they had to make some changes, but I was shocked to see some of the panels were actually in a different order e.g. in the Brett Ewins DNA man strip.

addition?? I mean edition.  :lol: