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When it was still a kids' comic... (I know, I know, maybe it still should be, that's for another thread though...)

1.  The extreme violence in Dredd (memorable moments being one of PJ Maybe's cousins graphically splattering all over a slab, and a Judda's close-up exit wound rendered in beautiful colour).

2. The extreme violence in Slaine (Slaine ripping Quagslime's heart up out through his throat, for example.)

3.  The topless chick with nipple-tassles at the Rio carnival in Ant Wars.

4.  Torquemada marrying a 14-year-old.

5.  'Be careful it's just the hotties you fry' - Dredd to a naked barbecue chef.

6.  Ronnie Reagan's visible (if covered with black hair dye) meat 'n' two veg in Diceman.

7.  What Almaranda did to that poor Arab chap.

Annnnd 8, the filthiest line ever to grace the prog's pages...
Souther Deserter: 'I heard he has a talking gun.  That you, gun?'
Gunnar: 'No, I'm your kid sister.  Don't you recognise the bite-marks you left on the front of my...'

Speaking of Ronald Reagan, there was that bit in Strontium Dog where Ronald Reagan ends up being abducted and taken to the future. They take a lot of shots at Reagan, both verbally and literally for his senility and oddity (even one blurb where an alien wonders why humans think of him as a great leader). That was amusing for what was a publication for younger audiences.

... not to mention his interruption of Johnny and Red in the shower, who were quite clearly about to [spoiler]shampoo[/spoiler] each other's brains out.

DR and Quinch, 'Real men dont use blanks'

Great idea for a thread!
Brian Bolland's drawings of Judge Anderson had a certain (ahem) "fascination" for 12 year old me. They certainly helped improve my anatomical drawing skills.

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 09 February, 2013, 10:57:52 PM
When it was still a kids' comic ... one of PJ Maybe's cousins graphically splattering all over a slab, and a Judda's close-up exit wound rendered in beautiful colour).

Both those great examples are on the very cusp of the point where the readership tipped over into consisting predominantly of folk with hair between their legs. The example from around that period in time which really brought that home to me was Slough Feg's flapping, semi-tumescent member in the early chapters of The Horned God.

9 year old me thought the crocodile dinosaur biting the cowboy in half was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. So - pretty much the whole of Flesh!

Quote from: hippynumber1 on 10 February, 2013, 09:36:01 AM
9 year old me thought the crocodile dinosaur biting the cowboy in half was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. So - pretty much the whole of Flesh!

Yeah completely this. I mean Tharg did censor the actual image of that boy being eatten but that aside Flesh melted my five year old brain. So brilliant.

QuoteDR and Quinch, 'Real men dont use blanks'

Not to mention the pair of them flipping the middle finger on the cover of their first GN.  I mean, they only had three fingers per hand, but still.

I remember Slough Feg's big long willy too.  In fact the Horned God was absolutely full of tits and willies.
Oh, and speaking of Bisley, there was also the 'F.O.A.D.' graffiti on Joe Pineapples' gun.

My older cousin told me what that FOAD graffiti meant...I was completely oblivious!
I was always shocked by Terri's casual cannibalism in that story too.

And just how old was Purity Brown when she started bonking a demonic human-murderer with a horses head?

QuoteAnd just how old was Purity Brown when she started bonking a demonic human-murderer with a horses head?

That was one of the things that went over my head.  For a long time I thought they were just good friends.  Who did Terrry eat, by the way?  Don't remember that bit. 
There was also Zenith more-or-less [spoiler]shagging his ma[/spoiler] in Phase 2.

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 10 February, 2013, 11:52:34 AM

QuoteAnd just how old was Purity Brown when she started bonking a demonic human-murderer with a horses head?

That was one of the things that went over my head.  For a long time I thought they were just good friends.  Who did Terrry eat, by the way?  Don't remember that bit. 
There was also Zenith more-or-less [spoiler]shagging his ma[/spoiler] in Phase 2.

If memory serves, Terri started chomping on the bodies of some of the bad-guys that were perusing the Warriors in the time tunnels. She was taught to do it as an efficient means of recycling.
Classic Toothy moment where Hammerstein is disgusted by it, and Blackblood nonchalantly declares that "they're a valuable source of protein".

And yeah, Zenith shagged his ma and a young Ruby Fox in the kinda ménage a trois that you just don't expect to be exposed to at the age of 12.

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 10 February, 2013, 11:52:34 AM
Who did Terrry eat, by the way?  Don't remember that bit.  There was also Zenith more-or-less [spoiler]shagging his ma[/spoiler] in Phase 2.

And Ruby Fox too, which must have made things awkward between them. Terri chows down on the remains of the first wave of mekanix who attack the Warriors, and points out that Hammerstein & Co recycle body the body parts of their enemies and colleagues too. It's part of her conception of herself as being a flesh unit and aspiring to being an impervious metal being like Craig.

Quote from: Link Prime on 10 February, 2013, 12:06:52 PM

And yeah, Zenith shagged his ma and a young Ruby Fox in the kinda ménage a trois that you just don't expect to be exposed to at the age of 12.

With that Richard Branson chap watching gleefully through one-way glass, as I recall.

Aieeee! Blakee Pentax!

All if the above is what made/makes 2000ad the precious article it is.
So many gloriously inspiring and mercilessly non age appropriate scenarios! I'm gonna have to go back to the loft and dig out some old progs! Thanks for sparking some cloudy memories

I never tire of saying this, but the extraordinarily erotic The Amazing Maze Dumoir.  To my young eyes it was a sort of comics version of Some Like it Hot crossed with Penthouse Forum.

Quote from: TordelBack on 10 February, 2013, 05:18:26 PM
I never tire of saying this, but the extraordinarily erotic The Amazing Maze Dumoir.  To my young eyes it was a sort of comics version of Some Like it Hot crossed with Penthouse Forum.

And it was reprinted in the 1989 sci-if special, which has a bit of a risque cover- making my little cheeks blush twice (buying it from the female newsagent, and my Gran asking me what I was reading in a slightly concerned tone) :)

Or how about the 'almost got the prog banned' moment where Artie Gruber pours jetpack fuel over Giant and is about to set it alight!  :o

Quote from: TordelBack on 10 February, 2013, 05:18:26 PM
I never tire of saying this, but the extraordinarily erotic The Amazing Maze Dumoir.  To my young eyes it was a sort of comics version of Some Like it Hot crossed with Penthouse Forum.

...and it could have been even plus érotique (http://www.ian-gibson.com/Pages/Maze%20Dumoir.htm)

Quote from: Supermarine Troutfire on 10 February, 2013, 12:44:20 PM
Aieeee! Blakee Pentax!

And the footballer names

(As previously posted, with amusing consequences, in the '2000AD Naughty Bits Archive' thread: http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,20830.msg354413.html#msg354413)

Heh!  Forgot about that one.  I also had a good retro-chuckle when I remembered Peter Wolf's endearingly naive comments after it. 

Quote from: TordelBack on 10 February, 2013, 05:18:26 PM
I never tire of saying this, but the extraordinarily erotic The Amazing Maze Dumoir.  To my young eyes it was a sort of comics version of Some Like it Hot crossed with Penthouse Forum.

I had forgotten Maze Dumoir. Off to dig out old progs now. Cheers!

SHAKO was one of the coolest "adult fare" things I read as a kid.  This polar bear ripped his way through so many people.  It was disturbing and fun at the same time.  I was about 10 at the time.  I just got my hands on the graphic novel reprint and wow, it's still a GRIP of fun!

Quote from: sauchie on 10 February, 2013, 05:53:58 PM
...and it could have been even plus érotique (http://www.ian-gibson.com/Pages/Maze%20Dumoir.htm)

In this instance I think Bodger was right on the money (maker) - improbable concealment and repeated tease is far sexier, and far more 'adult', than 'buns oot fer tha lads'.

This past week I've been reading the first few years of what passes for an 'adult' contemporary for 2000AD, Heavy Metal, as research for a Blog Thing I'm trying (yet again) to do, and the approach to 'le sexy' is pitiful.  With the possible exception of Moebius' stuff every episode of every single strip just randomly drops one or more naked women in to an incongruous SF/F scenario and has them arch their back and shove their boobs at the the reader. I like the female form as much as the next grud-fearing fanny-botherer, but helpmaboab it's childish stuff.

Coincidentally, Roach's Dredd last week really stands out as an example of how to do a bit of cheeky cheesecake and make it fun without making me have to read it in my shed. 

And getting back on topic, Bellardinelli's lovingly designed costumes for Macha, Medb and the Badb in 'Bride of Crom' were pretty strong stuff when I was 12. 

I didn't mind the nudity in Heavy Metal (particularly when I was a horny teenager), but the problem was that about 99% of the storylines were pure, unadulterated kack.
But back on topic, as the man said, there was also the goblin called 'Goolie-Grinder' in a Diceman Sláine.  Oh yeah, and the fact that you as Rick Random in the same Diceman could choose to spend a night in a classy hotel with a prostitute (not explicitly stated but quite obvious in hindsight).

Alan Moore/Jim Baikie's Skizz: In a happy ending to the story, the unemployed gentleman drops the South African police chief off the side of a Birmingham multi-storey car park.

Spoilers, lad, spoilers!  But I've read it, so no worries from my end of things.  I know what you mean though, I often thought that there is no way things could have ended well for that poor unemployed chap having just committed a very serious crime.

Also regarding Alan Moore - Crazy Chrissie being forced to watch 'DR and Quinch Have Fun at the Morgue.'  One shudders to imagine.

Quote from: Adrian Bamforth on 11 February, 2013, 01:18:10 PM
Alan Moore/Jim Baikie's Skizz: In a happy ending to the story, the unemployed gentleman drops the South African police chief off the side of a Birmingham multi-storey car park.

Been a while since I read it but wasn't it the top of Spaghetti Junction? Which is even worse!

What happened to Red MacNally in HookJaw in Action was something that stayed with me for a long time - Can I count Action as it was such a clear forerunner to 2000AD?

Oh, go on then.  In that case kids running round attacking the forces of law and order with shotguns should go in too.

The 'problem' here, of course, is that Action didn't get away with it. It got caught, castrated and left to wither away...  :'(

Quote from: Toni Scandella on 11 February, 2013, 05:21:50 PM
What happened to Red MacNally in HookJaw in Action was something that stayed with me for a long time.

Me too :D "Ya dumb critter, I'll get ya yet... AAAAAAGGGHHH!!"

Rick Mason's fate too. I was convinced he'd be ok, right up to the point that [spoiler]Hook Jaw bit his head off.[/spoiler] :lol:

There was also the bottle throwing incident in Look Out For Lefty... Though I don't suppose you could count this, as I'm sure this was one of the reasons Action was pulled from the shelves.

Back in 2000AD we had a headless Tyrannosaur, blood spilling all over the page, crushing all in it's path.

My red crayons saw a lot of use back in the day.

Stew. 

Quote from: hippynumber1 on 11 February, 2013, 06:54:35 PM
The 'problem' here, of course, is that Action didn't get away with it. It got caught, castrated and left to wither away...  :'(

So true, so very true. I can still remember buying the post-ban comeback issue, and thinking "Whats this crap? - i want my Action back!"

Returning to 2000ad, there was that Time Twister where a depressed and lonely man spends his life trying to make a time machine, [spoiler]fails, then finds peace and fulfillment in a watery suicide.[/spoiler] Great message for the kids there, Big Al.

That bit in Otto Sump's Ugly Clinic where some crooks are barging through a hospital and some poor unconscious patient goes sailing out of the window about a gazillion floors up.  The robodoc blithely says something along the lines of "Nurse, cancel surgery.  Alert the mortuary" and I couldn't believe at the time that they were allowed to send this innocent civilian plummeting to her death and make a joke about it.  I was about 7 so I wasn't exactly well-versed in callous black humour at the time.

Did no one tip off Mary Whitehouse? These days an "overuse" of red crayon might get you an unwanted appointment for a child psychologist.

Sam Slade gettin' his finger sucked by CUTIE his busty* little robometer:










*Who seems to have an exposed robo-vagina too.

Quote from: JOE SOAP on 16 February, 2013, 02:33:54 AM

Sam Slade gettin' his finger sucked by CUTIE his busty little robometer: Who seems to have an exposed robo-vagina too.

I'm not saying I read Mark Miller's profoundly mediocre Robohunter stories or anything, but a man in a pub once told me that - displaying the depth and subtlety which characterises his work to this day - Miller gave Cutie an actual fanny for Slade to stick much more than his finger in.

Because the comically flirtatious but essentially chaste relationship between a man and a faithful piece of technological kit, which references the dynamic between the hard boiled detective and his secretary in Chandler, Spillane and Hammett, is much less interesting than making that trusty piece of kit a fuckable pneumatic teen with a family who can get kidnapped and murdered and emoted over and who must be avenged with guns and action movie dialogue. 

About 1/3 through CF1 (finally started it after buying back in September) and cannot believe Maria, the Judges Italian cleaning lady!

Judge Dredd has a long and ignoble history of jaw-droppingly awful Italian stereotypes.  Every time there's been an Italian character they've been a farcical stereotype who a-talks lika-a-this!   Hispanics aren't exactly treated much better (plus they're always portrayed as shiftless, corrupt criminals - right through to Judgement Day  ).

Quote from: FinH on 18 February, 2013, 11:48:19 PM
Judge Dredd has a long and ignoble history of jaw-droppingly awful Italian stereotypes.  Every time there's been an Italian character they've been a farcical stereotype who a-talks lika-a-this!   Hispanics aren't exactly treated much better (plus they're always portrayed as shiftless, corrupt criminals - right through to Judgement Day  ).

Well, there are Americas Jara and Beeny, to be fair, and that poor pyrokinetic kid who was forced into crime by local Meg-chavs.

and din't it turn out years later that Maria wasn't actually Italian and the accent was a fake?

Quote from: FinH on 18 February, 2013, 11:48:19 PM
Judge Dredd has a long and ignoble hilarious history of jaw-droppingly awful Italian stereotypes.

Seriously? Are we going to have this argument again, where someone singles out a particular stereotype and moans about it, ignoring the fact that just about every nation has been the subject of unsubtle, but rather funny, stereotyping?

Cheers

Jim

Argument?  I'm not offended - couldn't really give a wet fart.  Just observing.

Personally, I thought the spud guns were hilarious.

By the way, is it just me or, when Judge Riggs is strapped nekkid to a table in Day of Chaos: The Fourth Faction, is her mapatasi shaved into the shape of a Justice Dept. Eagle?

Yes, yes it is (but I had to look up mapatasi not being antipodean ;) )

Cool, new word of the day!  I'm just glad that some temperate rainforest was retained*.



*Assuming it wasn't a tat.

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 19 February, 2013, 09:02:00 AMSeriously? Are we going to have this argument again, where someone singles out a particular stereotype and moans about it, ignoring the fact that just about every nation has been the subject of unsubtle, but rather funny, stereotyping?

Most notably Americans - the Meg is basically consumer America dialed to 11.

Flailing wildly back to the topic, here's a chainsaw-subtle piece of gender-reversal symbolism from Mssrs. Smith and Dillon..

Necroposting here, but I always thought it was a bit mad that the first DR and Quinch collection showed the two of them giving the finger on the cover, back in the mid 80s.
Or maybe it doesn't count when you only have three fingers?

Quote from: Professor Bear on 19 February, 2013, 11:42:01 AM

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 19 February, 2013, 09:02:00 AMSeriously? Are we going to have this argument again, where someone singles out a particular stereotype and moans about it, ignoring the fact that just about every nation has been the subject of unsubtle, but rather funny, stereotyping?

Most notably Americans - the Meg is basically consumer America dialed to 11.

THANK YOU!!!!!! Someone finally said it.

Bizley .  . .

Quote from: Skullmo on 02 June, 2014, 11:48:32 PM
Bizley .  . .

FOAD!

What got me hooked on 200ad was my 3rd prog -which was 555.  Not only did [spoiler]Kano's wee fairy buddy get thoroughy squished[/spoiler], but[spoiler] Chopper got served bosun's broth by Cookie [/spoiler] and [spoiler]thoth got chainsawed [/spoiler] - i will quite simply never erase from my memory how creepy  the panel was with thoth's little reflection in the [spoiler]chainsaw blade [/spoiler] as he's running for his[spoiler] life [/spoiler] and Torque says "come here you little dastard!"

If i could have one piece of comic art it would be that page from nemesis.  Who has it?
Dave

I must admit that as a teenager I was horrified by that Thoth scene.  That's a good thing; it's not often that the violence in 2000AD bothered me but I had a real problem with that particular episode.  I almost felt sickened by it because I always liked that character and couldn't believe how extreme it was and gruesomely illustrated by the sadly missed John Hicklenton.  I'm guessing Mills was probably intended this reaction to highlight this is how we should feel about acts of violence in general, in which case job done!

Quote from: Proteus4 on 03 June, 2014, 05:59:56 AM
What got me hooked on 200ad was my 3rd prog -which was 555.  Not only did [spoiler]Kano's wee fairy buddy get thoroughy squished[/spoiler], but[spoiler] Chopper got served bosun's broth by Cookie [/spoiler] and [spoiler]thoth got chainsawed [/spoiler] - i will quite simply never erase from my memory how creepy  the panel was with thoth's little reflection in the [spoiler]chainsaw blade [/spoiler] as he's running for his[spoiler] life [/spoiler] and Torque says "come here you little dastard!"

If i could have one piece of comic art it would be that page from nemesis.  Who has it?
Dave

You will have to fight me for it!

Most of John's Nemesis art is lost :'(  I have spent the last 2 years scraping together the pages I have, and most of those were got through sheer luck!

Quote from: Skullmo on 03 June, 2014, 10:00:08 AM

Quote from: Proteus4 on 03 June, 2014, 05:59:56 AM
What got me hooked on 200ad was my 3rd prog -which was 555.  Not only did [spoiler]Kano's wee fairy buddy get thoroughy squished[/spoiler], but[spoiler] Chopper got served bosun's broth by Cookie [/spoiler] and [spoiler]thoth got chainsawed [/spoiler] - i will quite simply never erase from my memory how creepy  the panel was with thoth's little reflection in the [spoiler]chainsaw blade [/spoiler] as he's running for his[spoiler] life [/spoiler] and Torque says "come here you little dastard!"

If i could have one piece of comic art it would be that page from nemesis.  Who has it?
Dave

You will have to fight me for it!

Most of John's Nemesis art is lost :'(  I have spent the last 2 years scraping together the pages I have, and most of those were got through sheer luck!

I will fight u like Oberyn against the mountain! Haha

Dave

Quote from: The Bissler on 03 June, 2014, 08:19:56 AM
I must admit that as a teenager I was horrified by that Thoth scene

The follow-up comment in 'Deathbringer' is pure, classic Torque: "...the memory of Thoth's last moments gives me almost... physical pleasure."

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 02 June, 2014, 06:28:59 PM
Necroposting here, but I always thought it was a bit mad that the first DR and Quinch collection showed the two of them giving the finger on the cover, back in the mid 80s.
Or maybe it doesn't count when you only have three fingers?

Balls. Just realised I already said that when I started the thread.  Repeating myself is a habit that friends have often brought to my attention.

Anyway, I think that F-bomb on Pineapples' gun was whited out in the prog.  Bit harder to white out all the fully-painted cocks and tits in the Horned God though;  I often imagine the Tharg of the day thinking, 'Jesus, that Bisley... feck it though, we'll print it and see what happens.'

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 03 June, 2014, 07:51:31 PM
I often imagine the Tharg of the day thinking, 'Jesus, that Bisley... feck it though, we'll print it and see what happens

Tharg Of The Day was distracted by blue hedgehogs, and his deputy was bleary eyed from being up all night and smashed off his tits on ecstasy at Ministry Of Sound. Neither appeared to be paying much attention to (or care much about) what went into the comic anyway.

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 03 June, 2014, 07:51:31 PM

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 02 June, 2014, 06:28:59 PM
Necroposting here, but I always thought it was a bit mad that the first DR and Quinch collection showed the two of them giving the finger on the cover, back in the mid 80s.
Or maybe it doesn't count when you only have three fingers?

Balls. Just realised I already said that when I started the thread.  Repeating myself is a habit that friends have often brought to my attention.

Anyway, I think that F-bomb on Pineapples' gun was whited out in the prog.  Bit harder to white out all the fully-painted cocks and tits in the Horned God though;  I often imagine the Tharg of the day thinking, 'Jesus, that Bisley... feck it though, we'll print it and see what happens.'

There were 2 that I recall, an F.O.A.D. (which I think was left alone) and a 'Fuck Off' which wasn't.

Yes, I remember seeing the "Fuck Off" on Pineapples' gun when I bought the Titan Book collections.  It definitely wasn't in the prog because I checked back at the time. 

I did wonder why it was Titan never censored it but maybe they didn't notice...

Quote from: The Bissler on 03 June, 2014, 09:58:28 PM
Yes, I remember seeing the "Fuck Off" on Pineapples' gun when I bought the Titan Book collections.  It definitely wasn't in the prog because I checked back at the time. 

I did wonder why it was Titan never censored it but maybe they didn't notice...

I think Titan were a bit more edgy. So does that mean the Titan books were a different scan of the art from the prog?

Quote from: Skullmo on 03 June, 2014, 10:31:22 PM
I think Titan were a bit more edgy. So does that mean the Titan books were a different scan of the art from the prog?

I remember Bryan Talbot saying that Robin Smith had whited-out a lot of the gore on his Nemesis pages, but that he'd kept full size photocopies of the originals which Titan used in the reprint.

Cheers

Jim

Also interesting to know!  I wasn't on board with the prog during Bryan Talbot's time on Nemesis but I remember the Titan Book 3 aka Nemesis Book 4 seemed particularly gory in places with several exploding heads and other fairly bloody scenes.  Funnily enough I never had a problem with that, but then it was mostly terminators that were being blown apart so fair enough! 

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 03 June, 2014, 10:46:50 PM

Quote from: Skullmo on 03 June, 2014, 10:31:22 PM
I think Titan were a bit more edgy. So does that mean the Titan books were a different scan of the art from the prog?

I remember Bryan Talbot saying that Robin Smith had whited-out a lot of the gore on his Nemesis pages, but that he'd kept full size photocopies of the originals which Titan used in the reprint.

Cheers

Jim

the death of chira is a prime example - in the prog its bizare looking because Nemesis has clearly skewered her but his sword doesnt come out the back.  In the titan reprint theres a large amount of black splatter behind her.  I cant remember off the top of my head what the complete rebellion reprints had in them though - i think it was the one without gore?

Dave

Going back to the Bisley drawn ABC warriors, I was amazed that at they could show the Monad in the form of the great worm as a large breasted 3 nippled beast with a gaping toothy vagina! Plus the psychic warrior that Deathlock creates [spoiler]near the end to destroy the Monad[/spoiler] clearly has a stubby little cock visible whilst astride his horse.
2000ad has a bit of history of penis's really doesn't it! Especially when looking at the recent Slaine!!

Quote from: amines2058 on 04 June, 2014, 05:50:21 AM...a history of penis's...

I hear Wagner has Locke, err, beavering away on that sequel.

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 03 June, 2014, 10:46:50 PM

I remember Bryan Talbot saying that Robin Smith had whited-out a lot of the gore on his Nemesis pages, but that he'd kept full size photocopies of the originals which Titan used in the reprint.

One of the original Ron Smith Dredd pages I own (wish I had more!) is for the Dredd Story 'Rabid', where a 20th century museum is guarded by robot hounds and Dredd's redshirt judge buddy, Judge Moel is savaged by one of the hounds. There is a healthy amount of blood splatter from Moel's neck that has been whited out.

I got my hands on some old summer specials a few months back (thanks Mr Stacey!) and there was one tale, drawn by Kev O'Neill, that featured some quite startling Asian stereotypes.  In this day and age it would be considered seriously racist, but I guess it may not have been back in the early eighties. 

I wish I could remember the name of the story. I'm pretty sure it was a one-off future shock or something.

Quote from: Proteus4 on 04 June, 2014, 02:12:40 AM
the death of chira is a prime example - in the prog its bizare looking because Nemesis has clearly skewered her but his sword doesnt come out the back.  In the titan reprint theres a large amount of black splatter behind her.

Oddly enough, that was precisely that panel Bryan showed us side-by-side (at a Luther Arkwright signing many years ago, if memory serves).

Thing is, Bryan's photocopies would have had to be unlettered, meaning that Titan would have had to do at least some work combining the lettered art with the un-bodged copies, so they must have perceived some added value in presenting the art 'uncut' even if I can't recall them ever advertising the books as such...

Cheers

Jim

Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 04 June, 2014, 11:39:24 AM
I got my hands on some old summer specials a few months back (thanks Mr Stacey!) and there was one tale, drawn by Kev O'Neill, that featured some quite startling Asian stereotypes.  In this day and age it would be considered seriously racist, but I guess it may not have been back in the early eighties. 

I wish I could remember the name of the story. I'm pretty sure it was a one-off future shock or something.

Bonjo from Beyond the Stars?

Alien crashes to earth and goes on a Godzilla rampage, eating a bunch of Chinese people in one scene?

Dear lord! :o

Quote from: Steve Green on 04 June, 2014, 12:09:34 PM

Remember finding this strip hilarous when I was younger, 2000ad was aimed at younger audiences those days so I can forgive them (with slightly boggled out eyes nowadays!)  :D

Quote from: judgerufian on 04 June, 2014, 12:22:55 PM

Quote from: Steve Green on 04 June, 2014, 12:09:34 PM

Remember finding this strip hilarous when I was younger, 2000ad was aimed at younger audiences those days so I can forgive them (with slightly boggled out eyes nowadays!)  :D

Yep, that's the one!!

Good to see that Kev was working on the designs for LoEG Vol 1 even then.

This stuff is very shocking to look back on, although it's at least worth noting that it appeared (IIRC) in the context of the very silly and irreverent Bonjo from Beyond the Stars, and fitted well with the style of kids' comics at the time, which Bonjo was at least partly emulating.

Yeah, it was the run of strips like Dash Decent (also drawn by Kev) and Captain Klep, which were closer to the likes of Monster Fun and others in the IPC stable.

I'd put it in a similar category to Little Plum.

Quote from: Steve Green on 04 June, 2014, 01:48:37 PM
I'd put it in a similar category to Little Plum

I'd put it in a similar category to every representation of Scottish, Irish, Welsh, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Swedish, or Greek characters in any medium up until around 1990. Find me a US national in any UK TV show or film from the same period who wasn't a loud, uncouth, boastful idiot (usually wearing a ten gallon hat) and you win a special prize.

Pat Mills remarked in an interview for one of the old annuals that the easiest and laziest way to establish a distinctive speech pattern for a character was to give them a stutter, and now writers aren't allowed to make fun of that or trade in national/ethnic stereotypes, they don't generally bother putting foreign or minority characters into their stories any more than they feature characters with a stammer.

There's always Top Gear.

Quote from: lord sauchie on 03 June, 2014, 08:08:59 PM
Tharg Of The Day was distracted by blue hedgehogs, and his deputy was bleary eyed from being up all night and smashed off his tits on ecstasy at Ministry Of Sound. Neither appeared to be paying much attention to (or care much about) what went into the comic anyway.

Wasn't that the next Tharg up?  I seem to remember the Horned God era being a particularly good time for thrill power.

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 June, 2014, 06:13:16 PM

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Tharg Of The Day was distracted by blue hedgehogs, and his deputy was bleary eyed from being up all night and smashed off his tits on ecstasy at Ministry Of Sound. Neither appeared to be paying much attention to (or care much about) what went into the comic anyway.

Wasn't that the next Tharg up?  I seem to remember the Horned God era being a particularly good time for thrill power.

Yeah - Sonic was not until the mid 90s.

In the 80s it was Mac1 going on a trip of shamanistic self discovery where he was visited by a vision of Crisis (a warning of a name if  ever there was one) - as per thrill power Overload

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 June, 2014, 06:13:16 PM

Quote from: lord sauchie on 03 June, 2014, 08:08:59 PM
Tharg Of The Day was distracted by blue hedgehogs, and his deputy was bleary eyed from being up all night and smashed off his tits on ecstasy at Ministry Of Sound. Neither appeared to be paying much attention to (or care much about) what went into the comic anyway.

Wasn't that the next Tharg up?  I seem to remember the Horned God era being a particularly good time for thrill power.

Steve McManus went backpacking in America in 1987, and when he returned he did so as Managing Editor of Fleetway's Young Adult line. My own personal Golden Age of 2000ad is from when I started reading (around the first A4 sized prog 521) to around 700 and the end of Necropolis, Horned God, Final Solution and War Machine.

So, either Burton/MacKenzie were brilliant at editing comics and then forgot after a couple of years, or they were cruising on the momentum of stories and creator relationships established during the previous era, until the wheels fell off as they had to manage without Wagner, Grant and Mills, as they became pissed off and left for the US and Toxic.

Quote from: chicken drinker on 04 June, 2014, 06:50:37 PM

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 June, 2014, 06:13:16 PM

Quote from: lord sauchie on 03 June, 2014, 08:08:59 PM
Tharg Of The Day was distracted by blue hedgehogs, and his deputy was bleary eyed from being up all night and smashed off his tits on ecstasy at Ministry Of Sound. Neither appeared to be paying much attention to (or care much about) what went into the comic anyway.

Wasn't that the next Tharg up?  I seem to remember the Horned God era being a particularly good time for thrill power.

Steve McManus went backpacking in America in 1987, and when he returned he did so as Managing Editor of Fleetway's Young Adult line. My own personal Golden Age of 2000ad is from when I started reading (around the first A4 sized prog 521) to around 700 and the end of Necropolis, Horned God, Final Solution and War Machine.

So, either Burton/MacKenzie were brilliant at editing comics and then forgot after a couple of years, or they were cruising on the momentum of stories and creator relationships established during the previous era, until the wheels fell off as they had to manage without Wagner, Grant and Mills, as they became pissed off and left for the US and Toxic.

those were heady days! my favourite era too.
Dave

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Quote from: chicken drinker on 04 June, 2014, 06:50:37 PM

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 June, 2014, 06:13:16 PM

Quote from: lord sauchie on 03 June, 2014, 08:08:59 PM
Tharg Of The Day was distracted by blue hedgehogs, and his deputy was bleary eyed from being up all night and smashed off his tits on ecstasy at Ministry Of Sound. Neither appeared to be paying much attention to (or care much about) what went into the comic anyway.

Wasn't that the next Tharg up?  I seem to remember the Horned God era being a particularly good time for thrill power.

Steve McManus went backpacking in America in 1987, and when he returned he did so as Managing Editor of Fleetway's Young Adult line. My own personal Golden Age of 2000ad is from when I started reading (around the first A4 sized prog 521) to around 700 and the end of Necropolis, Horned God, Final Solution and War Machine.

So, either Burton/MacKenzie were brilliant at editing comics and then forgot after a couple of years, or they were cruising on the momentum of stories and creator relationships established during the previous era, until the wheels fell off as they had to manage without Wagner, Grant and Mills, as they became pissed off and left for the US and Toxic.

those were heady days! my favourite era too.
Dave

Same here that was roughly the period of my initial flirtation with tooth, which waned at the time of the Summer Offensive (shudder)

Some of Planet Of The Damned in Starlord was pretty graphically violent with with someone getting kicked into a fire, someone else being burnt to death by acid rain, a woman being swept into an acid river, a woman drowning on alien fruit, etc

Blatant eighties leftyism. All the disgusting, barely human evildoers Sláine fought came from Tory Island, PJ Maybe's drug which turns folk into easily led dupes (SLD 88 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_and_Liberal_Democrats_leadership_election,_1988)) shared its name with what is now the Liberal Party, and I'm sure we only discovered that McGruder's forenames were Hilda Margaret (http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp05827/margaret-hilda-thatcher-nee-roberts-baroness-thatcher) once she'd turned into a paranoid and dangerous liability.

Currently reading the Meknificent 7 I'm the Mek Files.  A kiddie got chomped there by Golgotha!  Nice!   :D

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