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Next year Marvel is planning on killing off one of their more popular characters, Wolverine, in an act that will somehow by-pass his superhuman healing abilities.
It's likely that Logan's mantle as the savage Canadian will be passed onto his son Draken
So, how many issues do you reckon before he comes back to life?
I recently read the enjoyable 'Marvel Comics: The Untold Story' by Sean Howe and it was fun to see these explotative event or cross overs behind the scenes - basically they work with the illusion of change but nothing changes and it will always revert to the story's core values. The only rule they had was that Bucky stays dead but even that was broken. Not bought anything Marvel/DC since the death of Blue Beetle - did he make it back OK?
Meh, he has dozens of clones that would take his place, that's the only way I can think that explains how he appears in the majority of Marvel's titles every month.
Quote from: Buttonman on 17 February, 2013, 10:51:21 AM
I recently read the enjoyable 'Marvel Comics: The Untold Story' by Sean Howe and it was fun to see these explotative event or cross overs behind the scenes - basically they work with the illusion of change but nothing changes and it will always revert to the story's core values. The only rule they had was that Bucky stays dead but even that was broken. Not bought anything Marvel/DC since the death of Blue Beetle - did he make it back OK?
He and his Pa were caught in a net by happy faced aliens and kept looking exactly the same age by means which I have now forgotten. His brother just plain came back from the dead via magic, and a similar thing happened to a character from another continuity who had occasionally crossed over with the strip - but only after a few years of stories set prior to that character's death.
Other characters have been shown growing old then being given treatments which restore their youth, being awakened from cryogenic suspension in worlds and times far removed from their own, coming back as clones, being revealed to have had previously unmentioned kids who turn out to be pretty much reincarnations of themselves, and suddenly discovering that they and the stories in which they appear have had some of their more frivolous and eccentric elements removed and replaced with a 'griitier' approach ... but they always somehow end up working their way back to the original premise by reintroducing most of the silly stuff they got rid of.
Thank Tharg we don't have to put up with any of the nonsense which goes on in silly US comics!
I was inspired to go back and re-read Batman Death in the Family after the current Death of the Family arc and on the back cover it has a quote from Batman Editor (at the time) Denny O'Neil; "It would be a really sleazy stunt to bring him [Jason Todd] back", why yes, yes it was. It didn't make much sense either, that's comics for you though.
Has anyone stayed dead?
QuoteHas anyone stayed dead?
Wulf.
Fink Angel (2nd time around) that guy from Halo Jones and Bad Jack Keller.
Quote from: Buttonman on 17 February, 2013, 10:51:21 AM
Not bought anything Marvel/DC since the death of Blue Beetle - did he make it back OK?
Had a quick look at Wiki :
Quoteshow him how to turn the time around Ted's death into "malleable time." Booster Gold betrays Rip Hunter and with the other Beetles' help, rescues Ted Kord from death at the hands of Maxwell Lord.
It the goes on to him dying again and some mind rubbers being used. It's like they just make this shit up!
Quote from: Buttonman on 17 February, 2013, 11:50:06 AM
that guy from Halo Jones
Moore intended to bring him back, if they gave him the right to own his ass!
12 months tops before Wolvie returns. Of course it could be the ultimate twoothy/marvel cross over Wulferine. Two souls in one tortured body. ;)
Quote from: Zarjazzer on 17 February, 2013, 02:52:42 PM
12 months tops before Wolvie returns. Of course it could be the ultimate twoothy/marvel cross over Wulferine. Two souls in one tortured body. ;)
12 months? For their cash cow? I'll give it 3.
Inspired idea for a crossover, by the way!
Quote from: sauchie on 17 February, 2013, 11:21:54 AM
Thank Tharg we don't have to put up with any of the nonsense which goes on in silly US comics!
Both DC and Marvel should be thankful that they're apart of multimillion dollar companies or they would have been out of business ages ago
Its this sort of thing that had me give up superhero comics after a life time of addiction and return after a 30 year break to 2000AD.
Guys lets not kid ourselves. 2000 AD has had its share of resurrections, retcons, and reboot/reimaginings in its history. Not many, and to its credit has done a lot to rise above such things, but Tharg's as guilty as any other long running publisher, that rely on a handful of old standbys to keep the public interest up, of such things.
That being said. Announcing the death of Wolverine well in advance of the event? Not doing anything to get my interest back. And they were so close with some of the Marvel NOW launches too...
This is exactly why I don't give a shit about the big two. Quite seriously, they are to damn predictable.
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 18 February, 2013, 08:27:25 AM
This is exactly why I don't give a shit about the big two. Quite seriously, they are to damn predictable.
Still a bit marginalising on that basis, it's like discarding Dredd as just a cop that likes shoot naughty people thus not worth reading ;)
For e.g. Regardless who they kill off (latest news is Morrison is killing off current Robin in his B
atman Incorporated series) Scott Snyder has done a great job of writing Batman from a physiological perspective rather than simply what looks cool.
Quote from: sheldipez on 18 February, 2013, 09:22:56 AM
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 18 February, 2013, 08:27:25 AM
This is exactly why I don't give a shit about the big two. Quite seriously, they are to damn predictable.
Still a bit marginalising on that basis, it's like discarding Dredd as just a cop that likes shoot naughty people thus not worth reading ;)
For e.g. Regardless who they kill off (latest news is Morrison is killing off current Robin in his Batman Incorporated series) Scott Snyder has done a great job of writing Batman from a physiological perspective rather than simply what looks cool.
I gave Marvel and DC a chance last year for about six months on a monthly basis with about 5 title's each. Now I know they litteraly have hundreds of series running at any one time but none of what I read was of any interest to me what so ever, so I bailed. My issue with super hero's these day's is that it feel's like a dead end deal, everything on the cards has been done already and frankly most of it was hardly invigorating in the first plasce. I have a few DC TPB's in my collection (Batman The Long Halloween, Batman Court of Owls) but these are the rare examples where something of interest hit's me, rather than just being a eye rolling phenomena of 'oh shock horror look who's back from the dead'. Might seem narrow minded of me but frankly this is how I feel, Marvel and DC play it easy every time.
Quote from: sheldipez on 18 February, 2013, 09:22:56 AM
Still a bit marginalising on that basis, it's like discarding Dredd as just a cop that likes shoot naughty people thus not worth reading ;)
Well Dredd is at the very least consistent in it's narrative and thankfully hasn't gotten dull quite yet
At least to me anyways
YAWN... WOlverine dies, is obl;iterated, cast to teh wonds etc.
BUT... One single cell remains, and the painful, slow regrowth takes place, until he finally returns, but not as he was....
etc etc etc. Bollocks to shit like that.
Quote from: Alski on 18 February, 2013, 12:19:04 PM
BUT... One single cell remains, and the painful, slow regrowth takes place, until he finally returns, but not as he was....
He can certainly take a beating and survive
(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/14859/796855-265244_5762_wolverine_super_super.jpg)
Good find, SP - the single worst Wolverine story I have ever read, which is saying something as it was something like the
third Wolverine story I had ever read at the time.
There was some dimension-hopping series published by Marvel in the last few years where Wolverine died in every single issue. He's also dead in Ultimate Marvel and pretty much all the sub-imprints where the cliche is basically "oh no they killed Wolverine surely all bets are off anything can happen" except Peter Parker kissing a man or a superheroine being overweight, obviously.
Quote from: Hawkmonger on 18 February, 2013, 11:03:05 AMI gave Marvel and DC a chance last year for about six months on a monthly basis with about 5 title's each. Now I know they litteraly have hundreds of series running at any one time but none of what I read was of any interest to me what so ever, so I bailed.
Time and wisdom have revealed to me that the only self-contained superhero books these days are the one-off tie-ins with the big events they have every six months. People like Kieron Gillen and Si Spurrier (and latterly Al Ewing) produce stories that - in being set during the big crossovers but incapable of influencing those events' pre-ordained storylines - are self-contained despite being set within an ongoing continuity. The regular books are a write-off for various reasons, but mainly because even if you do find yourself getting along well with some fun fringe title that occupies its own little corner of the Marvel universe, sooner or later, without fail, one or more of the characters will be co-opted for a spin-off of a branded team title like Avengers or X-Men.
Otherwise, I wouldn't really bother with superhero books beyond trade collections, but even then you need a road map to know what to read these days.
That link doesn't work at my workplace (silly filters) does it say this happens in Marvel Universe or Ultimate Universe? Because they did this stunt with Peter Parker but killed him in Ultimate Universe not Marvel Universe.
If they do it in Ultimate Universe they can do a Wolverines mini. Of course if they kill him in Marvel Universe but not Ultimate Universe they can still do Wolverines mini.
And if they dead him dead he can still heal over a longer time if they want.
Or someone can wake up in a shower.
Or Middenface could dig him up from under some stones.
Most likely they'd just replace him with the dull X23 as part of a big "look Wolverine is a lady" PR gimmick.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 17 February, 2013, 03:24:26 PM
Quote from: Zarjazzer on 17 February, 2013, 02:52:42 PM
12 months tops before Wolvie returns. Of course it could be the ultimate twoothy/marvel cross over Wulferine. Two souls in one tortured body. ;)
12 months? For their cash cow? I'll give it 3.
Inspired idea for a crossover, by the way!
And I'm off to trademark it now. Just kidding in case the lawyers are watching. I'd do it in the manner of this fine movie.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067245/
And think of how we could contrast the Wulf and Wolv, one a hairy psychopath with battle frenzy and the
other-um :-\
At least this thread has reminded me of some of the bit s o f the big two i missed Court of owls looks great and I must try some Marvel again.Maybe some more cosmic stuff.
Quote from: Bat King on 18 February, 2013, 02:23:57 PM
That link doesn't work at my workplace (silly filters) does it say this happens in Marvel Universe or Ultimate Universe? Because they did this stunt with Peter Parker but killed him in Ultimate Universe not Marvel Universe.
If they do it in Ultimate Universe they can do a Wolverines mini. Of course if they kill him in Marvel Universe but not Ultimate Universe they can still do Wolverines mini.
He's already dead in the ultimate universe - At the end of Ultimatum Magneto took control of Iron man's armour and blasted him. They recovered a single admantium forearm but Shield tests showed not a single living cell was left. As far as I know he's stayed dead (along with virtually all the original Xmen)