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Now I hear Matthew Kelly's been fiddling with minors ? Is being a sicko now a requirment for 2nd string celeb's ??

Oi! Pete Townsends not seconds string.

the fact they engage in such things makes them the lowest of the possible low.
they are
 person non gratia
by their actions.
but innocent until proven guilty.

The thing is, mud sticks, so even if nothing comes of it (i.e. it's not true) people will assume there is no smoke without fire and his career is probably over (which is what I think Townsend knew).  If it's true then of course it would be over, and rightly so.  But it does go against the grain of innocent until proven guilty, even for the most despicable of crimes.

I wonder if they are purposefully targetting celebs to get some high profile cases to scare the rest of the pervs.  I heard the americans had busted a group and found about 7000 Brit names, including judges, doctors, mp's etc.

It's the scale of the thing I find worrying.  I find it hard to believe this is because of the internet so it might always have been going on on this scale.  Horrible.

its just a shame that the two mps (high profile labour) have not been arrested yet for "sensitive reasons" one rule for the masses another for there mates

Yeah I thought of that, but then this may not be that accurate.  If it is true, I wonder how it will be dealt with though.

The scale of things is quite a question ain't it, do we hear more about it or has it always been ? I certainly have met , directly known of or come into contact with more victims/survivors or sexual abuse/rape etc than i have people hurt/killed in car accidents...is that just my world ? BUt it is definately out there....

I too reckon they are using the media to try & shake it up some, i thought this was the case when those 2 wee girls were murdered, & if thats what it takes they thats fine by me, but if it is just titillating journalism then its discusting & exaserbating the problem. I worry that all this media attention 'normalises' an abberant crime..instead of sitting alone like parhyas (sp ?) they can network globally & see their mates on the tv all the time.

I hope they crack down on these scum who destroy lives, and the filth that send porn/peade spam to my inbox every blooming day.

"its just a shame that the two mps (high profile labour) have not been arrested yet for "sensitive reasons" one rule for the masses another for there mates"

Too right- what's the betting that even if they are guilty, it all gets swept under a very large carpet?

You have to think how big a problem this may actually be.  People who are currently under investation range from teachers, policeman, priests, politicians, doctors I mean cmon.  These are the people we trust in society!!!  Celebraties are well just the shit of society, we dont expect anything from them.  The others we do....

String them all up.  if theyve done it cut off their appendage....  Oh and why is it mostly men????

yer "Parent" Slippo

I have to say I am most dissapointed with the Pete Townshend thing. I consider myself a fan of the Who and dont really know what to think. I hope its all been a hideous error in the space/time continuum. But its unlikely.

Fucking paeds.

When I say "I dont know what to think" I mean about the Who and not Paed Townshend himself.

While the internet has probably brought a lot of these people together and again probably make the situation worse, one good thing that may come of it is that the police (who seem to be working internationally with each other) will be able to track them down and find them and put a stop to things that will have been going on before the days of the internet.

One thing that I was horrified to find out today, was that in Russia, this material is legal.  

My own opinion on what will happen to those MP's (the fact they are labour maybe makes this more likely) will be that they will be made to leave their posts with the minimum of fuss because any scandal of that scale would be damaging to the government and country on an international scale.  That's just my own bonkers theory and as usual is probably well off target.

At work we're speculating who else is going to get exposed...

Sources say a Radio 1 legend is on the list. We  guess Jimmy Saville.

A popular teen heartthrob. We all think this referes to a 70's pop icon, and the popular choice is David Essex.

Time will tell.


Dose this mean 'Stars in there eyes' is cancelled?

Am I wrong here or is it true that the celebs with the realy bad reputations don't go in for that kind of thing. No-one mentions the likes of Ozzy Osbourne or Alice Cooper as having anything to do with this stuff. It's just the so-called "cleaner" celebs that we find out are pervs. It's not good. Maybe that's why it's such a shock when we find out.

I read a "gossip" story last year about a DJ legend who took a large interest in young boys when touring, obviously no names were mentioned, but the piece ended by saying "let's see him fix this one"

now then, now then... any guesses ;-)

Ed

You British worry too much about this subject.  It`s becoming a national obsession.

the danger is a witch hunt mentality taking over.
radio one guy wasnt that the KING guy i forget his name.he was exposed many moons ago wasnt he?

Perhaps the Saville stuff goes back to the spoof script of 'Have I got news for you' that was doing the rounds a bit back...

http://b3ta.com/nonce-or-babysitter/#

We've been speculating at work too for some time, and funnily enough Matthew Kelly was one of the main names touted around at the time,I read today there's a possibility that as many as SEVEN major celebritys could be outed as peado's over the next few weeks.

What ever happened til innocent til proven guilty?
If hes done anything then lock him up, im not trying to defend anyone its just that after working in care for a number of years I know how many false accusations get made.
The trouble is mud sticks and even if he's found innocent there are people who will forever think that anyone accused is a paedophile (sp) Can bever work out why the police cant question someone without the media knowing, then if charged let everyone have their two penneths worth.

Just my thoughts.

La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.

There does seem to be (either real or insinuated) a lot of celebrity paedophiles...
Are the rich & famous more prone to this type of behaviour then "regular" people?
Or is there a really high level of people out there who are like this and only the famous people are deemed worth reporting on?

Just a thought...

Yeah, names shouldn't be made public until found guilty. In any crime. It's fair and just that the victims get privacy, but so should the accused.

There's been stuff about Jimmy Saville in the papers for years. I remember an interview where he said that he's not interested in kids, but they've always been interested in him. He was a D.J. so kids thought he knew their favourite Pop stars. He presented a kids show in which he granted their wishes so they thought that if they asked him personally he'd give them things.

He also said he won't be alone with children, because he doen't want any accusations. Aparantly he saw a screaming child once and paid someone else to look after her rather than do it himself in case a paper had set him up.

So he's probably paranoid. I'd be surprised if it were with any reason though.

I do hate the witch hunt mentality, when decent blokes are paranoid to go near kids, or even theier own kids for fear of accusations. When tiny kids are all lectured & cross-examined & taught to be paranoid, this is in its self a loss of innocence. juve 3 (9) recently chatting away, "oh we all think he's a peadie", i found it really upsetting the way its playground talk & that theres an acceptable kids word for it. I prefer to lecture my kids about how to be strong & self assured & know right from wrong, & be able to discuss ANYthing...that frighten them with stories about strangers.
The stranger thing pees me off too, when 95% (or whatever) of abuse is from people that are known to the victims.

However, if a witchhunt is what is required to produce results & nail the sick suckers....mebbe its okay...

or mebbe its more exiting/ evocative / distracting journalism that crazy warmongering world leaders being scary idiots?

what drives the media ? state, public demand or the media ?

In my humble opinion, these things seem to be unbelievably common. The internet is a tool to acess it but also makes it easier to catch offenders.

The trouble with celebrities is everyone thinks they're better than everyone else so when (as the law of averages states) one turns out to be a pervert then everyone is especially shocked.

Everyone trusts celebrities more than other people because theres a belief that they are better than "ordinary" people. Which is clearly untrue.

I guess that as long as we have the freedom to do what we want some people are going to do bad things.

Thats the way life is.


Jared.

Every person since and including Logan has made a very good point.

Oddie - there does doesnt there?  Imn not sure there are more than in "real" life.  Surely they are more likely to get caught and are also in the category that those with more money power are likely to abuse it.  

Logan, Boo, dxb - there does seem to be a wtich hiunt in the media.  But it seems to start with the tabloids, doesnt it?  All this get white van driver worried about it and there you have a huge problem, the media starts this and we have concerns but it gets blown up into some mad out of control whirlwind, doesnt it???  Look at the fuss with asylum seekers, suddenly we are swamped and over run with dirty foreigners...  

Personally, you have to teach yer kids to be smart.  If someone says something, you teach them how to deal with it.  You cant watch them 100% of the time, thats ridiculous, well once they become about 5 or 6 you cant.  So you just have to teach them rules and boundaries and in the end trust their judgement.  Kids know when something is wrong, I never called someone a peadophile when I was a kid, but there was "mad kathy" who lived up the road or the dirty old man who showed himself, you just stayed away from them.  You then told Mum and Dad and they called the Polis or whatever.  

I just think of all the problems kids have these days, they seem lazy, they are getting obese, lack of excercise, poor diet;  I cant help but think this is cause we molly coddle them out of a veiw of protection but when in reality were slowly killing them????

We need to have some balance, yes and I do think that anyone who interferes with a child should be severley punished.  But as Logan says mud sticks and the legal system doesnt seem to work for either those that are guilty or those that are innocent.

Man that was a Rant, sorry steps down from his soap box.  

Yer "ranting" slippo

 Fame seems to drive people a little crazy they believe they are beyond the values of the herd. Well sorry chaps but your not.
 When it comes to sex offenders, paedophillia as an instinct is not as tiny a minority as people would like to think but the majority of them dont act on it.  In the Ancient world it was considered quite natural and it would appear there has always been a substantial minority that way inclined. Now when you've got a naturaly occuring deviance its bloody hard to police as it's not as if theres always going to be a chain linking all paedos to each other.
 However the internet does allow us to target and locate people who have this "interest" and allows the building up of proper intelligence on someone who may otherwise be a "lone gunman". theres a well documented causal link between offenders  working their way up through harder and harder pornography before they begin offences against the person.  Hopefully operations like the current iniative will allow intervention before the behaviour leads to further offences.
 The isue of privacy is a grey area but a society always has to sacrafice some freedoms for protection and I think the balance is about right.

Well with celebrities people think they know them so it does come as a shock to people that the person they thought (and never did know) comes across as somebody completely different.

"Justice has a price... the price is freedom"

I recently read Young Giant - which covers a very similar topic - the manufacture & distribution of Vi-zines (magazines depicting real & graphic violence).
Again, Wagner covers a highly sensitive issue & did it bloody well.

the web is big brothers ultimate snooping tool....