Title: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ghostpockets on 12 April, 2013, 12:04:13 AM
Post by: ghostpockets on 12 April, 2013, 12:04:13 AM
Apologies if this has already been posted about somewhere else but I am pretty stoked for this...
http://arecomicsevengood.tumblr.com/post/47730615238/solicited-to-come-out-in-september-from-dark
I had heard rumours but this is the most solid thing I've seen so far.
http://arecomicsevengood.tumblr.com/post/47730615238/solicited-to-come-out-in-september-from-dark
I had heard rumours but this is the most solid thing I've seen so far.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 12 April, 2013, 12:10:49 AM
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 12 April, 2013, 12:10:49 AM
This.
Is a beautiful cover.
Is a beautiful cover.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 April, 2013, 02:13:45 AM
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 April, 2013, 02:13:45 AM
Hey look, it's
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 April, 2013, 09:33:51 AM
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 April, 2013, 09:33:51 AM
Yeah very exciting news. Some of the stuff in there is next too impossible to get hold of at a decent price. Looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 12 April, 2013, 11:37:03 AM
Post by: ming on 12 April, 2013, 11:37:03 AM
This is going to be a bit special - having so much Milligan & McCarthy goodness in one collection will be fantastic. For many, this will be the first chance to read a lot of classic stuff like Skin, Strange Days, Rogan Gosh, etc. All in full except Hoax and Sooner or Later and the early Freakwaves (which will be abridged, with commentary - and Brendan's editing the whole package).
Tharg - we still need a Sooner or Later reprint!
:)
Tharg - we still need a Sooner or Later reprint!
:)
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Frank on 12 April, 2013, 07:25:52 PM
Post by: Frank on 12 April, 2013, 07:25:52 PM
Quote from: ming on 12 April, 2013, 11:37:03 AM
This is going to be a bit special - having so much Milligan & McCarthy goodness in one collection will be fantastic. For many, this will be the first chance to read a lot of classic stuff like Skin, Strange Days, Rogan Gosh, etc. All in full except Hoax and Sooner or Later and the early Freakwaves (which will be abridged, with commentary - and Brendan's editing the whole package).
I've already have some of those, but I don't think I've ever managed to buy any comic without missing an issue or two, so that book's still definitely getting bought. I can't remember the last time I raked out the issues of Revolver I have, so seeing Rogan Gosh again will be a treat.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: hippynumber1 on 12 April, 2013, 07:32:14 PM
Post by: hippynumber1 on 12 April, 2013, 07:32:14 PM
Very excited to see this on its way - I've got Skin tucked away somewhere and, Saucie, I haven't dug out Revolver to read Rogan Gosh for donkeys...
Has anyone seen it listed anywhere for pre-order?
Ming - nicely modest Sir, but I think you should mention 'you know what'!
Has anyone seen it listed anywhere for pre-order?
Ming - nicely modest Sir, but I think you should mention 'you know what'!
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 April, 2013, 07:47:40 PM
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 April, 2013, 07:47:40 PM
Its got at official solicitation from Dark Horse.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=44863 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=44863)
So glad this is finally here. I solid my copy of Skin not that long ago when this was first muted as I knew I'd get this as it had a load of stuff I don't have and I have a policy (which I almost always stick to) of not duplicating stuff. So finally having it listed is a relief!
QuoteTHE BEST OF MILLIGAN & MCCARTHY HC
Peter Milligan (W) and Brendan McCarthy (W/A)
On sale Sept 11
FC, 264 pages
$24.99
HC, 7 3/4" x 11"
One of comics' most fruitful collaborations gets its due in this deluxe collection of hard-to-find gems from Peter Milligan (Hellblazer, X-Statix) and Brendan McCarthy (Judge Dredd, The Zaucer of Zilk There is still nothing else like Freakwave, Paradax!, Skin, and Rogan Gosh, and this volume is the ideal starting place for new readers! Collecting twenty years' worth of the pair's finest work from Vanguard Illustrated, Strange Days, 2000 AD, and Vertigo.
• Rare classics of action and satire!
• Brand-new restoration and commentary!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=44863 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=44863)
So glad this is finally here. I solid my copy of Skin not that long ago when this was first muted as I knew I'd get this as it had a load of stuff I don't have and I have a policy (which I almost always stick to) of not duplicating stuff. So finally having it listed is a relief!
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Frank on 12 April, 2013, 08:04:17 PM
Post by: Frank on 12 April, 2013, 08:04:17 PM
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 12 April, 2013, 07:32:14 PM
Very excited to see this on its way - I've got Skin tucked away somewhere and, Saucie, I haven't dug out Revolver to read Rogan Gosh for donkeys... Has anyone seen it listed anywhere for pre-order? Ming - nicely modest Sir, but I think you should mention 'you know what'!
The Tundra Skin (http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/2009/skin/) is a beautiful little book, and just the way it looks and feels still gives me pleasure, but seeing the prices it's going for online (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/1858090008/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new) makes that Milligan and McCarthy collection look like an absolute steal. I can't imagine too many here aren't familiar with the story behind that strip's journey into the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_%28graphic_novel%29#Publication_history), and knowing how ignorance and corporate politics almost made it one of those comics folk only hear about through talking to old-timers - and which you have to resort to dodgy means to get your hands on - only underlines the importance of keeping it in print and available to new readers.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Frank on 12 April, 2013, 08:06:12 PM
Post by: Frank on 12 April, 2013, 08:06:12 PM
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 12 April, 2013, 07:32:14 PM
Ming - nicely modest Sir, but I think you should mention 'you know what'!
I too would enjoy hearing Ming talk about 'you know what'. And possibly the other.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Spikes on 12 April, 2013, 08:19:36 PM
Post by: Spikes on 12 April, 2013, 08:19:36 PM
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 12 April, 2013, 07:32:14 PM
Ming - nicely modest Sir, but I think you should mention 'you know what'!
If your refering to what i think you are, then this release will be a very special thing indeed for Ming.
Couldnt have happened to a nicer chap, and a more dedicated McCarthy addict.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 12 April, 2013, 09:31:27 PM
Post by: ming on 12 April, 2013, 09:31:27 PM
Aw, shucks. 'The Thing' being referred to above is the Strange Days commission that Brendan did for me a while back - included in the Best Of collection, possibly as the closing image in the book.
I did briefly mention it in The Strangeness thread: http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,36079.msg748260.html#msg748260
There's a ginormous image of this in my CAF gallery (and the pencils, if anyone's interested) - link below.
I did briefly mention it in The Strangeness thread: http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,36079.msg748260.html#msg748260
There's a ginormous image of this in my CAF gallery (and the pencils, if anyone's interested) - link below.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Link Prime on 19 August, 2013, 04:49:05 PM
Post by: Link Prime on 19 August, 2013, 04:49:05 PM
Currently £12.72 to pre-order on Amazon.co.uk
Good price.
Good price.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 August, 2013, 05:21:19 PM
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 August, 2013, 05:21:19 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 19 August, 2013, 04:49:05 PM
Currently £12.72 to pre-order on Amazon.co.uk
Good price.
Always try to avoid using Amazon, but then they throw prices like that at me and being the selfish fool I am I buckle! Ordered.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 20 August, 2013, 08:15:03 AM
Post by: ming on 20 August, 2013, 08:15:03 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 19 August, 2013, 04:49:05 PM
Currently £12.72 to pre-order on Amazon.co.uk
Good price.
For a 264 page hardback (especially this 264 page hardback) that seems like a very good price...
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 20 August, 2013, 11:24:16 AM
Post by: ming on 20 August, 2013, 11:24:16 AM
Feed your brain!
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Spikes on 20 August, 2013, 05:43:57 PM
Post by: Spikes on 20 August, 2013, 05:43:57 PM
Quote from: ming on 20 August, 2013, 08:15:03 AMQuote from: Link Prime on 19 August, 2013, 04:49:05 PM
Currently £12.72 to pre-order on Amazon.co.uk
Good price.
For a 264 page hardback (especially this 264 page hardback) that seems like a very good price...
And nice to see Amazon have it listed with their Look inside! (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Milligan-McCarthy-Brendan/dp/1616551534/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1377015537&sr=1-1&keywords=milligan+and+mccarthy#reader_1616551534) function - nice to have a sneaky peek.
I must say, one image in particular looks strangely familar .... ;)
Was kinda hoping to snag the individual issues that make this book up, but some have proved hard to track down, so this book is deffo on the 'to buy' list.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 20 August, 2013, 07:11:20 PM
Post by: ming on 20 August, 2013, 07:11:20 PM
A few alternate sources of the BoM&M book for those boycotting Amazon :thumbsup::
Less than retail:
Book Depository; €16.50 (free shipping)
http://www.bookdepository.com/Best-Milligan-McCarthy-Peter-Milligan/9781616551537
Bookstore.co.uk: £15.19
http://www.bookstore.co.uk/TBP.Direct/PurchaseProduct/OrderProduct/CustomerSelectProduct/FullProductDetail.aspx?d=bookstore&s=C&r=10000046&ui=0&bc=0&productId=24529142&backURL=%2ftbp.direct%2fpurchaseproduct%2forderproduct%2fcustomerselectproduct%2fsearchproducts.aspx%3fd%3dbookstore%26s%3dC%26r%3d10000046%26ui%3d0%26bc%3d0%26formEvent%3dSearch
Foyles: £14.43
http://www.foyles.co.uk/witem/fiction-poetry/the-best-of-milligan-mccarthy,brendan-mccarthy-brendan-wright-9781616551537
Retail price £18.99:
Waterstones (free UK delivery):
http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/brendan+mccarthy/brendan+wright/peter+milligan/brendan+mccarthy/the+best+of+milligan+26+mccarthy/9783187/
Blackwell's
http://bookshop.blackwell.co.uk/jsp/id/The_Best_of_Milligan__McCarthy/9781616551537
Forbidden Planet
http://forbiddenplanet.com/101713-the-best-of-milligan-mccarthy-hardcover/
Heh, yes - nice to see that!
As for individual issues, if you're looking for anything specific give me a shout and I'll see if I can help.
Less than retail:
Book Depository; €16.50 (free shipping)
http://www.bookdepository.com/Best-Milligan-McCarthy-Peter-Milligan/9781616551537
Bookstore.co.uk: £15.19
http://www.bookstore.co.uk/TBP.Direct/PurchaseProduct/OrderProduct/CustomerSelectProduct/FullProductDetail.aspx?d=bookstore&s=C&r=10000046&ui=0&bc=0&productId=24529142&backURL=%2ftbp.direct%2fpurchaseproduct%2forderproduct%2fcustomerselectproduct%2fsearchproducts.aspx%3fd%3dbookstore%26s%3dC%26r%3d10000046%26ui%3d0%26bc%3d0%26formEvent%3dSearch
Foyles: £14.43
http://www.foyles.co.uk/witem/fiction-poetry/the-best-of-milligan-mccarthy,brendan-mccarthy-brendan-wright-9781616551537
Retail price £18.99:
Waterstones (free UK delivery):
http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/brendan+mccarthy/brendan+wright/peter+milligan/brendan+mccarthy/the+best+of+milligan+26+mccarthy/9783187/
Blackwell's
http://bookshop.blackwell.co.uk/jsp/id/The_Best_of_Milligan__McCarthy/9781616551537
Forbidden Planet
http://forbiddenplanet.com/101713-the-best-of-milligan-mccarthy-hardcover/
Quote from: Judge Jack on 20 August, 2013, 05:43:57 PM
I must say, one image in particular looks strangely familar .... ;)
Was kinda hoping to snag the individual issues that make this book up, but some have proved hard to track down, so this book is deffo on the 'to buy' list.
Heh, yes - nice to see that!
As for individual issues, if you're looking for anything specific give me a shout and I'll see if I can help.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: robprosser on 22 August, 2013, 12:16:26 PM
Post by: robprosser on 22 August, 2013, 12:16:26 PM
Although if you're boycotting Amazon you should probably boycott the Book Depository as well...
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 22 August, 2013, 12:21:55 PM
Post by: ming on 22 August, 2013, 12:21:55 PM
Quote from: robprosser on 22 August, 2013, 12:16:26 PM
Although if you're boycotting Amazon you should probably boycott the Book Depository as well...
Good to know. Any suggestions for alternatives appreciated... :)
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Andy_Lee on 23 August, 2013, 03:50:20 PM
Post by: Andy_Lee on 23 August, 2013, 03:50:20 PM
Anyone going to the Gosh thing? Don't live in London but tempted
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 23 August, 2013, 06:39:57 PM
Post by: ming on 23 August, 2013, 06:39:57 PM
Unfortunately not (I'll be in the UK the week before but not hanging around for long). Should be a good 'un, though.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 12 September, 2013, 11:49:15 AM
Post by: ming on 12 September, 2013, 11:49:15 AM
Nice interview with M&M by Mark Kardwell over here:
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2013/09/milligan-and-mccarthy-on-the-best-of-milligan-mccarthy/
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2013/09/milligan-and-mccarthy-on-the-best-of-milligan-mccarthy/
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Darren Stephens on 12 September, 2013, 06:09:28 PM
Post by: Darren Stephens on 12 September, 2013, 06:09:28 PM
Mine turned up today. Really nicely put together and surprisingly large book, absolutely crammed with top notch artwork as you would expect. Can't wait to get stuck in. :D
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Spikes on 12 September, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
Post by: Spikes on 12 September, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
These are landing now?
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: hippynumber1 on 12 September, 2013, 08:26:19 PM
Post by: hippynumber1 on 12 September, 2013, 08:26:19 PM
Mine's nowhere near being posted... :(
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Satanist on 12 September, 2013, 08:29:49 PM
Post by: Satanist on 12 September, 2013, 08:29:49 PM
This was in FP today and looked luverley. Gonna pick it up pay day.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Darren Stephens on 12 September, 2013, 08:45:19 PM
Post by: Darren Stephens on 12 September, 2013, 08:45:19 PM
Got mine from Book Depository.....although on the actual site it still says 12 days until release!
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Link Prime on 13 September, 2013, 10:45:36 AM
Post by: Link Prime on 13 September, 2013, 10:45:36 AM
Stupid Amazon! >:(
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Andy_Lee on 13 September, 2013, 10:56:47 AM
Post by: Andy_Lee on 13 September, 2013, 10:56:47 AM
Quote from: Link Prime on 13 September, 2013, 10:45:36 AM
Stupid Amazon! >:(
Ditto
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Link Prime on 13 September, 2013, 12:18:58 PM
Post by: Link Prime on 13 September, 2013, 12:18:58 PM
I've cancelled my Amazon order, cheeky buggers just sent me an email update there; STG 6.00 for delivery, means a total of STG 18.72, which works out at more than 22 Euro.
I've gone for Mings find below.
Free delivery from The Book Depository, and total cost was 15.42 Euro (VAT adjusted).
Unbelievable price.
I've gone for Mings find below.
Free delivery from The Book Depository, and total cost was 15.42 Euro (VAT adjusted).
Unbelievable price.
Quote from: ming on 20 August, 2013, 07:11:20 PM
Book Depository; €16.50 (free shipping)
http://www.bookdepository.com/Best-Milligan-McCarthy-Peter-Milligan/9781616551537
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Colin YNWA on 13 September, 2013, 12:43:41 PM
Post by: Colin YNWA on 13 September, 2013, 12:43:41 PM
Just got a note from Amazon saying they expect it to be delivered on 19th Sept, so fingers crossed Amazon orders can expect it end of next week.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: SuperSurfer on 13 September, 2013, 03:19:33 PM
Post by: SuperSurfer on 13 September, 2013, 03:19:33 PM
Signing at FP London tomorrow.
Milligan & McCarthy sign The Best Of Milligan & McCarthy, Saturday 14 September 2013 1-2pm
Kind of tempted but I think I have most of the comic strips.
It's just the cover graphics... just so lame. Yuk. The original Eclipse and Vortex comics looked great – artwork and graphics. But to my eye, thar cover doesn't do the art justice.
Milligan & McCarthy sign The Best Of Milligan & McCarthy, Saturday 14 September 2013 1-2pm
Kind of tempted but I think I have most of the comic strips.
It's just the cover graphics... just so lame. Yuk. The original Eclipse and Vortex comics looked great – artwork and graphics. But to my eye, thar cover doesn't do the art justice.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: hippynumber1 on 13 September, 2013, 04:10:20 PM
Post by: hippynumber1 on 13 September, 2013, 04:10:20 PM
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 13 September, 2013, 03:19:33 PM
It's just the cover graphics... just so lame. Yuk.
You're walking on thin ice there my friend! ;)
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 13 September, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
Post by: ming on 13 September, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 13 September, 2013, 03:19:33 PM
Signing at FP London tomorrow.
Milligan & McCarthy sign The Best Of Milligan & McCarthy, Saturday 14 September 2013 1-2pm
Kind of tempted but I think I have most of the comic strips.
It's just the cover graphics... just so lame. Yuk. The original Eclipse and Vortex comics looked great – artwork and graphics. But to my eye, thar cover doesn't do the art justice.
I say go to the signing and tell Brendan your views on the cover... :lol:
As for the content, as I'm still waiting for my copy I'm not even sure what's made it in there. Anyone care to fill in the blanks?
Sooner or Later (partial)
Electric Hoax (ditto?)
Rogan Gosh
Skin
Paradax! (Strange Days story and the follow up, I guess)
Mirkin the Mystic
Freakwave (not sure if this includes the episodes from Vanguard)
Shade (covers, at least).
Misc. bits and bobs like the ensemble pic that appeared in Deadline...
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: SuperSurfer on 13 September, 2013, 04:51:35 PM
Post by: SuperSurfer on 13 September, 2013, 04:51:35 PM
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 13 September, 2013, 04:10:20 PMOh... is the designer someone we know?Quote from: SuperSurfer on 13 September, 2013, 03:19:33 PMYou're walking on thin ice there my friend! ;)
It's just the cover graphics... just so lame. Yuk.
I did try to edit my comment to tone it down but couldn't modify. I am not one for slagging stuff off online but I just feel the cover graphics are rather unimaginative especially as the content is really out there. I know for sure the content is superb as I have most of it, if not all in the original format. If you haven't got it go for it as it really has a 2000AD feel to it.
Or am I inviting a spines type debate?
I mean, get a load of this:
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 13 September, 2013, 06:53:13 PM
Post by: ming on 13 September, 2013, 06:53:13 PM
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 13 September, 2013, 04:51:35 PMQuote from: hippynumber1 on 13 September, 2013, 04:10:20 PMOh... is the designer someone we know?Quote from: SuperSurfer on 13 September, 2013, 03:19:33 PMYou're walking on thin ice there my friend! ;)
It's just the cover graphics... just so lame. Yuk.
I did try to edit my comment to tone it down but couldn't modify. I am not one for slagging stuff off online but I just feel the cover graphics are rather unimaginative especially as the content is really out there. I know for sure the content is superb as I have most of it, if not all in the original format. If you haven't got it go for it as it really has a 2000AD feel to it.
Or am I inviting a spines type debate?
Is it the image or the type face / font you have a problem with? The Paradax pic is a vintage McCarthy one, spruced up for this book. I guess the layout, font, etc. were also down to Brendan as he had complete editorial control over this. Personally, I think it looks great - but anyway, the contents are the main thing!
(And I should have added Summer of Love to the list above.)
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: SuperSurfer on 13 September, 2013, 07:38:06 PM
Post by: SuperSurfer on 13 September, 2013, 07:38:06 PM
Quote from: ming on 13 September, 2013, 06:53:13 PMIndeed, the content is most important.
Is it the image or the type face / font you have a problem with? The Paradax pic is a vintage McCarthy one, spruced up for this book. I guess the layout, font, etc. were also down to Brendan as he had complete editorial control over this. Personally, I think it looks great - but anyway, the contents are the main thing!
My issue is with the font, the positioning, the overall style of it. Just seems plastered on. It has nothing to do with the material or the excellent illustration. I think I will have a look at it tomorrow and then decide whether to buy but really trying to keep a limit on how much stuff I accumulate.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Ancient Otter on 13 September, 2013, 09:31:22 PM
Post by: Ancient Otter on 13 September, 2013, 09:31:22 PM
Quote from: ming on 13 September, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
As for the content, as I'm still waiting for my copy I'm not even sure what's made it in there. Anyone care to fill in the blanks?
Didn't get a chance to pick up my copy today but I''ll try and do it tomorrow evening for you if no-one else has.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Ancient Otter on 14 September, 2013, 07:21:49 PM
Post by: Ancient Otter on 14 September, 2013, 07:21:49 PM
Quote from: ming on 13 September, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
I say go to the signing and tell Brendan your views on the cover... :lol:
As for the content, as I'm still waiting for my copy I'm not even sure what's made it in there. Anyone care to fill in the blanks?
Sooner or Later (partial)
Electric Hoax (ditto?)
Rogan Gosh
Skin
Paradax! (Strange Days story and the follow up, I guess)
Mirkin the Mystic
Freakwave (not sure if this includes the episodes from Vanguard)
Shade (covers, at least).
Misc. bits and bobs like the ensemble pic that appeared in Deadline...
Introduction by Mark Kardwell, of Robot6 blog
Paradax (3 stories from Strange Days)
Rogan Gosh (from Revolver)
The Electric Hoax (6 pages)
Freak Wave (First episode from Vanguard Illustrated #1)
Freak Wave (from Strange Days [spoiler]Ends abruptly?[/spoiler])
Paradax (1 story from Vortex Comics Paradax comic)
Roaring's Rantings (1 story from Vortex Comics Paradax comic)
Mirkin the Mystic
Summer of Love
The Hollow Circus (8 pages)
Sooner or Later (12 Pages)
Skin
Any questions?
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Spikes on 15 September, 2013, 01:45:13 PM
Post by: Spikes on 15 September, 2013, 01:45:13 PM
Had hoped this might have been in my local Waterstones today, but alas....
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: strontium_dog_90 on 15 September, 2013, 02:55:57 PM
Post by: strontium_dog_90 on 15 September, 2013, 02:55:57 PM
I got my copy on Friday, and I'm working my way through it now. Trying to pace myself, to make it last, so I'm reading a story a day.
One thing that worries me is that I'd heard Rogan Gosh was impenetrable madness - but it made perfect sense to me! Does this mean I'm weird in some way? :)
One thing that worries me is that I'd heard Rogan Gosh was impenetrable madness - but it made perfect sense to me! Does this mean I'm weird in some way? :)
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 15 September, 2013, 06:17:31 PM
Post by: ming on 15 September, 2013, 06:17:31 PM
Quote from: Ancient Otter on 14 September, 2013, 07:21:49 PM
Introduction by Mark Kardwell, of Robot6 blog
Paradax (3 stories from Strange Days)
Rogan Gosh (from Revolver)
The Electric Hoax (6 pages)
Freak Wave (First episode from Vanguard Illustrated #1)
Freak Wave (from Strange Days [spoiler]Ends abruptly?[/spoiler])
Paradax (1 story from Vortex Comics Paradax comic)
Roaring's Rantings (1 story from Vortex Comics Paradax comic)
Mirkin the Mystic
Summer of Love
The Hollow Circus (8 pages)
Sooner or Later (12 Pages)
Skin
Any questions?
Thanks for that. I'm surprised only the first episode of Freakwave from Vanguard was included (the one ending with the introduction of Mickey Death, right?); the final (third) episode was fully painted by Brendan and has a typical Milliganesque ending. Freakwave from Strange Days ending: [spoiler]this is very abrupt, with the transformation of the Drifter, so it sounds like that's complete[/spoiler].
I guess there are various extra bits and pieces - pin-ups, covers, etc.?
To be honest, if this just featured the Strange Days and Paradax! stories it would be well worth the price of admission; when you add in Skin, Rogan Gosh, etc. it's pretty indispensable. And a complete Johnny Nemo is in the works too, which is great news.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: hippynumber1 on 15 September, 2013, 07:06:36 PM
Post by: hippynumber1 on 15 September, 2013, 07:06:36 PM
Quote from: ming on 15 September, 2013, 06:17:31 PMQuote from: Ancient Otter on 14 September, 2013, 07:21:49 PM
a complete Johnny Nemo is in the works too, which is great news.
Oh yes! :D
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 September, 2013, 07:34:51 PM
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 September, 2013, 07:34:51 PM
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 15 September, 2013, 07:06:36 PMQuote from: ming on 15 September, 2013, 06:17:31 PMQuote from: Ancient Otter on 14 September, 2013, 07:21:49 PM
a complete Johnny Nemo is in the works too, which is great news.
Oh yes! :D
Who, what, when... this is fantastic news. Where did you come across this gem? I treasure my old. Was it a Penguin edition... whatever, can't wait for this.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Ancient Otter on 15 September, 2013, 09:24:46 PM
Post by: Ancient Otter on 15 September, 2013, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: ming on 15 September, 2013, 06:17:31 PMThanks for that. I'm surprised only the first episode of Freakwave from Vanguard was included (the one ending with the introduction of Mickey Death, right?);
Correct. I guess since it's called "The Best of" and not "The Complete" there are a few bits incomplete.
Quote from: ming on 15 September, 2013, 06:17:31 PMI guess there are various extra bits and pieces - pin-ups, covers, etc.?
Correct again, not too many.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Link Prime on 15 September, 2013, 09:28:49 PM
Post by: Link Prime on 15 September, 2013, 09:28:49 PM
Cheers for the contents list AO, a lot I've never read, therefore a lot to look forward to.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Ancient Otter on 15 September, 2013, 09:56:46 PM
Post by: Ancient Otter on 15 September, 2013, 09:56:46 PM
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 15 September, 2013, 07:34:51 PM
Who, what, when... this is fantastic news. Where did you come across this gem? I treasure my old. Was it a Penguin edition... whatever, can't wait for this.
The last Johnny Nemo collection was by Cyberosia and that goes for high prices, so I imagine a Penguin collection would probably would go for higher?
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 15 September, 2013, 10:11:31 PM
Post by: ming on 15 September, 2013, 10:11:31 PM
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 15 September, 2013, 07:34:51 PMQuote from: hippynumber1 on 15 September, 2013, 07:06:36 PMQuote from: ming on 15 September, 2013, 06:17:31 PMQuote from: Ancient Otter on 14 September, 2013, 07:21:49 PM
a complete Johnny Nemo is in the works too, which is great news.
Oh yes! :D
Who, what, when... this is fantastic news. Where did you come across this gem? I treasure my old. Was it a Penguin edition... whatever, can't wait for this.
In the Mark Kardwell / Robot6 interview I posted a link to a couple of pages back:
Brendan: Pete and Brett Ewins' Johnny Nemo was a great example of a vivid personality created in a comic strip. (And thankfully, all the stories will be collected together next year in a companion volume to The Best of Milligan & McCarthy. Can't bleedin' wait.)
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 September, 2013, 09:02:13 PM
Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 September, 2013, 09:02:13 PM
Quote from: Ancient Otter on 15 September, 2013, 09:56:46 PMQuote from: Colin_YNWA on 15 September, 2013, 07:34:51 PM
Who, what, when... this is fantastic news. Where did you come across this gem? I treasure my old. Was it a Penguin edition... whatever, can't wait for this.
The last Johnny Nemo collection was by Cyberosia and that goes for high prices, so I imagine a Penguin collection would probably would go for higher?
Hey if they produce that new volume they'll be welcome to it.
Anyway got back from working late to a big box of loveliness! It really is lovely.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: maryanddavid on 18 September, 2013, 10:31:18 PM
Post by: maryanddavid on 18 September, 2013, 10:31:18 PM
I have a Nemo collection published by Deadline Books.
There is one of the more recent ones here if anyone is interested
http://www.alibris.co.uk/booksearch.detail?invId=11561540205&pwork=3451493&pisbn=9780970947482&_ptid=%205Nv03vHgBCI&cm_mmc=scrapers-_-bookfinder-_-na-_-na (http://www.alibris.co.uk/booksearch.detail?invId=11561540205&pwork=3451493&pisbn=9780970947482&_ptid=%205Nv03vHgBCI&cm_mmc=scrapers-_-bookfinder-_-na-_-na)
There is one of the more recent ones here if anyone is interested
http://www.alibris.co.uk/booksearch.detail?invId=11561540205&pwork=3451493&pisbn=9780970947482&_ptid=%205Nv03vHgBCI&cm_mmc=scrapers-_-bookfinder-_-na-_-na (http://www.alibris.co.uk/booksearch.detail?invId=11561540205&pwork=3451493&pisbn=9780970947482&_ptid=%205Nv03vHgBCI&cm_mmc=scrapers-_-bookfinder-_-na-_-na)
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 September, 2013, 08:02:46 AM
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 September, 2013, 08:02:46 AM
Deadline Books yeah that's the one. You can get it for £14.99 from Oxfam here
http://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/books/comics-and-graphic-novels/johnny-nemo-hd_100170693 (http://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/books/comics-and-graphic-novels/johnny-nemo-hd_100170693)
Which given the way Oxfam prices means its not worth much. Still its worth £14.99 of anyone's money as its a bloody good read.
http://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/books/comics-and-graphic-novels/johnny-nemo-hd_100170693 (http://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/books/comics-and-graphic-novels/johnny-nemo-hd_100170693)
Which given the way Oxfam prices means its not worth much. Still its worth £14.99 of anyone's money as its a bloody good read.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: robert_ellis on 19 September, 2013, 12:04:32 PM
Post by: robert_ellis on 19 September, 2013, 12:04:32 PM
I went to the Milligan & Mccarthy book signing at Gosh last night. The book looks beautiful and the signed art card with it is great. Lovely to see Paradax, Rogan & Skin again plus amazing other strips. Maybe gosh have copies leftover from the signing if you're quick. Good to see Brett ewins and others artists for Q&A
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: BPP on 23 September, 2013, 02:14:50 PM
Post by: BPP on 23 September, 2013, 02:14:50 PM
This is really a lovely edition. The oversized art is stupendous. The design work on extra pages is magnificent. Nobody should hesitate in buying this.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Darren Stephens on 23 September, 2013, 07:10:22 PM
Post by: Darren Stephens on 23 September, 2013, 07:10:22 PM
Quote from: BPP on 23 September, 2013, 02:14:50 PM
This is really a lovely edition. The oversized art is stupendous. The design work on extra pages is magnificent. Nobody should hesitate in buying this.
Agreed! This book is one of my favourite things ever. :D
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 23 September, 2013, 07:21:56 PM
Post by: ming on 23 September, 2013, 07:21:56 PM
Quote from: BPP on 23 September, 2013, 02:14:50 PM
This is really a lovely edition. The oversized art is stupendous. The design work on extra pages is magnificent. Nobody should hesitate in buying this.
He's right, you know!
Mine arrived today and it really does make for a satisfyingly chunky collection, and there's so much glorious madness between those covers...
Colours might be slightly darker than the original comics in some places but overall it looks fantastic and whether you're new to Milligan & McCarthy or not, this deserves a place on your shelf.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Andy_Lee on 23 September, 2013, 07:32:10 PM
Post by: Andy_Lee on 23 September, 2013, 07:32:10 PM
Mine also arrived today and I was quite surprised at how big it was.
Mirkin, I love Mirkin. How can one strip in one comic stay with you for so long?
Mirkin, I love Mirkin. How can one strip in one comic stay with you for so long?
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Dunk! on 23 September, 2013, 09:41:25 PM
Post by: Dunk! on 23 September, 2013, 09:41:25 PM
A lovely package especially with the unexpected oversize, erm, size.
Oh Mirkin we barely knew ye.
And (as has been said elsewhere many times) some kind of collected Sooner or Later, sooner please.
Dunk!
Oh Mirkin we barely knew ye.
And (as has been said elsewhere many times) some kind of collected Sooner or Later, sooner please.
Dunk!
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: I, Cosh on 30 September, 2013, 10:11:48 PM
Post by: I, Cosh on 30 September, 2013, 10:11:48 PM
Quote from: BPP on 23 September, 2013, 02:14:50 PMYep. Just cracked mine open and read the first few Paradax instalments. Lovely stuff all round. I even think it's one of the nicest smelling books I've ever bought.
This is really a lovely edition. The oversized art is stupendous. The design work on extra pages is magnificent. Nobody should hesitate in buying this.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: SuperSurfer on 30 September, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
Post by: SuperSurfer on 30 September, 2013, 10:31:27 PM
Sure is a big un. Will have to it buy once I've moved. Regret not going to the talk at Gosh a couple of weeks ago, especially as Brett Ewins was there.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Mardroid on 06 October, 2013, 01:26:41 PM
Post by: Mardroid on 06 October, 2013, 01:26:41 PM
I'm tempted myself, particularly the bargain prices on Amazon. (£12.73* for a big hardback comic tome brimming with stuff? Yes please.)
I'd be taking quite a chance though as I'm not acquainted with the stories at all. I.e. what if I buy it and I dislike it? Not a big deal I guess, I'm sure I could sell it on and not lose that much.
I am particularly curious about Paradax as I read an article featuring a statement by Brendan McCarthy a little while back. (One Google later, here it is (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/07/05/the-curious-case-of-brendan-mccarthys-paradax-and-zenith/).)
I wasn't reading 2000 AD during the Zenith days, and so on reading comments concerning thatcharacter, I was curious and wanted to pick up the material. Cue the recent collections... which are outside my price range, but I'm hopeful a cheaper edition will be out at some point. Anyway, in the article mentioned above, McCarthy strongly suggests Grant lifted a lot of Zenith stuff from Paradax.
Whether that's true or not, I don't know. After all sometimes things just happen in parallel. I'm sure many creators have had ideas for things, then shortly after, see someone else had the idea and produced it. And also many stories can borrow from what's been before but then become their own thing.
Anyway, I'm still interested in reading Zenith, but I'm thinking it might be good to read Paradax first, particularly as it appeared first.
*A whole shiny penny cheaper if you go through the seller Wordery. Heh. Joking aside, I like to give these smaller companies a chance.
I'd be taking quite a chance though as I'm not acquainted with the stories at all. I.e. what if I buy it and I dislike it? Not a big deal I guess, I'm sure I could sell it on and not lose that much.
I am particularly curious about Paradax as I read an article featuring a statement by Brendan McCarthy a little while back. (One Google later, here it is (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/07/05/the-curious-case-of-brendan-mccarthys-paradax-and-zenith/).)
I wasn't reading 2000 AD during the Zenith days, and so on reading comments concerning thatcharacter, I was curious and wanted to pick up the material. Cue the recent collections... which are outside my price range, but I'm hopeful a cheaper edition will be out at some point. Anyway, in the article mentioned above, McCarthy strongly suggests Grant lifted a lot of Zenith stuff from Paradax.
Whether that's true or not, I don't know. After all sometimes things just happen in parallel. I'm sure many creators have had ideas for things, then shortly after, see someone else had the idea and produced it. And also many stories can borrow from what's been before but then become their own thing.
Anyway, I'm still interested in reading Zenith, but I'm thinking it might be good to read Paradax first, particularly as it appeared first.
*A whole shiny penny cheaper if you go through the seller Wordery. Heh. Joking aside, I like to give these smaller companies a chance.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Frank on 06 October, 2013, 01:56:22 PM
Post by: Frank on 06 October, 2013, 01:56:22 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 06 October, 2013, 01:26:41 PM
I am particularly curious about Paradax as I read an article featuring a statement by Brendan McCarthy a little while back. (One Google later, here it is (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/07/05/the-curious-case-of-brendan-mccarthys-paradax-and-zenith/).) McCarthy strongly suggests Grant lifted a lot of Zenith stuff from Paradax. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. After all sometimes things just happen in parallel. I'm sure many creators have had ideas for things, then shortly after, see someone else had the idea and produced it. And also many stories can borrow from what's been before but then become their own thing.
Zenith definitely falls into your category of becoming its own thing, and it's one of my very favourite 2000ad strips, but the debt Zenith owes to Brendan McCarthy is there for everyone to see. Morrison was constantly citing McCarthy's work and conversations they had at conventions as the springboard for his own creativity, and he's still recycling them today.
The most obvious example of that are his experiments with trying to create comics which can be enjoyed not just as linear narratives but entirely out of sequence and going backwards and forwards on themselves - something McCarthy was doing, and a philosophy and aesthetic he was articulating, as far back as Freakwave. As far as I can tell, McCarthy's not so much charging Morrison with plagiarism as he is frustrated by the lack of recognition of the origin of that creativity among readers and critics.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 06 October, 2013, 02:02:23 PM
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 06 October, 2013, 02:02:23 PM
Still need to order my copy. Looks stunning though. :D
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: Mardroid on 06 October, 2013, 02:09:54 PM
Post by: Mardroid on 06 October, 2013, 02:09:54 PM
Quote from: sauchie on 06 October, 2013, 01:56:22 PM
As far as I can tell, McCarthy's not so much charging Morrison with plagiarism as he is frustrated by the lack of recognition of the origin of that creativity among readers and critics.
Yes, that's kind of the impression I got.
Do you think it's a good idea for new readers to Zenith to read Paradax first? I suppose it doesn't really matter from a story POV being separate continuities by separate authors, but maybe from an ideas/creation POV it is.
Title: Re: Milligan & McCarthy collection due in September from Dark Horse
Post by: ming on 07 October, 2013, 10:50:45 AM
Post by: ming on 07 October, 2013, 10:50:45 AM
Quote from: Mardroid on 06 October, 2013, 02:09:54 PMQuote from: sauchie on 06 October, 2013, 01:56:22 PM
As far as I can tell, McCarthy's not so much charging Morrison with plagiarism as he is frustrated by the lack of recognition of the origin of that creativity among readers and critics.
Yes, that's kind of the impression I got.
Do you think it's a good idea for new readers to Zenith to read Paradax first? I suppose it doesn't really matter from a story POV being separate continuities by separate authors, but maybe from an ideas/creation POV it is.
There's plenty been written about Brendan's influences on Grant Morrison and Grant's subsequent forgetfulness / airbrushing / autobiographical alterations when it comes to crediting some of the ideas and specific characters (see Doom Patrol's Danny the Street, for example) and there's little point me adding to it here.
As for the matter of whether you should read Paradax before Zenith: not really. You can definitely enjoy each of these on their own terms without any knowledge of the other. The basics of the character of Zenith owe a lot to Paradax but the story develops in it's own direction and clearly diverges from what Paradax sets out to achieve.
Paradax was all too short-lived and definitely did not outstay its welcome (the same can be said of all of M&M's work; arrives with a frenzy of ideas and visuals and vanishes as soon as it appears, never to be seen again). As much as I love Zenith (and I do (http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1055853)) there's just so much energy and fizzling creativity on display in those handful of Paradax pages that they're hard to beat. Zenith ends but Paradax really left me wanting more.