Title: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 02:53:57 AM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 02:53:57 AM
Just been taking a look at the list of the top covers as voted for by users of the website:
http://www.2000adonline.com/?zone=covers&page=zarjaz
What is the best is undoubtedly a moot point but some of the covers that are listed are unarguably good, but the best, I doubt it. As with the top stories the newer stuff gets voted on and goes to the top of the list. So what are your faves, don?t list them as we have done recently, go to the Prog, vote for the cover and see if your favourite makes the list.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
http://www.2000adonline.com/?zone=covers&page=zarjaz
What is the best is undoubtedly a moot point but some of the covers that are listed are unarguably good, but the best, I doubt it. As with the top stories the newer stuff gets voted on and goes to the top of the list. So what are your faves, don?t list them as we have done recently, go to the Prog, vote for the cover and see if your favourite makes the list.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Link: Best Covers
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 05:19:05 AM
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 05:19:05 AM
Um, this might seem terribly mean spirited of me, but is their a worst covers section too?
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Wake on 26 January, 2003, 05:36:01 AM
Post by: Wake on 26 January, 2003, 05:36:01 AM
There is now, and I know you'll love the one currently in bottom place.
I'll try and make voting easier soon, and then put a proper link in the Covers zone.
Wake
I'll try and make voting easier soon, and then put a proper link in the Covers zone.
Wake
Link: Bottom 20 Covers
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 05:40:45 AM
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 05:40:45 AM
WHoa.
We need some more votes on historical bad covers. I'm sure if we raid the archives we can beat these!
We need some more votes on historical bad covers. I'm sure if we raid the archives we can beat these!
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Wake on 26 January, 2003, 05:43:00 AM
Post by: Wake on 26 January, 2003, 05:43:00 AM
Also, you need to try and get the best covers to 10 votes, since at some point I'll be raising the criteria from 5 to 10 to be listed on the top and bottom lists.
Wake
Wake
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Queen Firey-Bou on 26 January, 2003, 07:56:00 AM
Post by: Queen Firey-Bou on 26 January, 2003, 07:56:00 AM
is there a section for bad covers , cos i found some truely awful ones while trawling.
also does multiple voting from one user count or does my paultry attempts at cheating go astray? cos Bisleys covers really were so darned good !
also does multiple voting from one user count or does my paultry attempts at cheating go astray? cos Bisleys covers really were so darned good !
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 04:29:59 PM
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 04:29:59 PM
I'm lookimng through the late 700s/early 800s at the moment, and one thing thats really striking me is how full colour really opened the floodgates for poor covers. Some of these are actually not badly drawn, but undermined by either muddy paints or wishy-wasy colouring.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 04:53:18 PM
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 04:53:18 PM
Just having a blast at voting for some covers - BTW Wake, isnt prog 922s cover by Colin MacNeil, not Paul Marshall?
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 04:54:33 PM
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 04:54:33 PM
700 and 800s - right Im off there - the more that join us, the more accurate this voting lark is - gerrinthere!
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Wake on 26 January, 2003, 05:01:30 PM
Post by: Wake on 26 January, 2003, 05:01:30 PM
I just checked prog 922. The cover is credited to both of them with Paul first.
Wake
Wake
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: James on 26 January, 2003, 05:07:04 PM
Post by: James on 26 January, 2003, 05:07:04 PM
how do you vote
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 05:13:34 PM
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 05:13:34 PM
Ah - certainly looks like Colins designs - probably his pencils and PAul Marshals inks/colours then.
James - click on publications, then 2000ad, then find the box where you can put in a prog number to go to the relevant prog - use the drop down menus to vote - you can vote on stories as well as covers.
James - click on publications, then 2000ad, then find the box where you can put in a prog number to go to the relevant prog - use the drop down menus to vote - you can vote on stories as well as covers.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 05:18:39 PM
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 05:18:39 PM
I've just voted for all the progs between 700 and 750 and was surprised by a number of things:
- all those Cliff Robinson stock Dredd covers
- the whimsical 'cute' covers
- the people standing around not doing much covers
- the close ups of gun wielding characters
Even the well executed covers dont seem to have much in the way of 'iconic' about them.
- all those Cliff Robinson stock Dredd covers
- the whimsical 'cute' covers
- the people standing around not doing much covers
- the close ups of gun wielding characters
Even the well executed covers dont seem to have much in the way of 'iconic' about them.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 05:19:26 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 05:19:26 PM
Have to agree with you there. Once the type of paper changed the colours became more muted and lost a lot of the vibrancy of earlier covers. Go to the covers section and flick through them 50 at a time to see how they changed from vibrant representations of what appeared inside the prog to dark murky covers that at times hardly related to what you would see inside that weeks Prog.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Link: The Cover Story
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 05:23:17 PM
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 05:23:17 PM
Ugh! What in the hell is THIS? Kill it! Kill it!
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 05:28:46 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 05:28:46 PM
Pull up your chair, get an urn of coffee set up on your desk and for the smokers amongst us get plenty of fags in.
Start at Prog 1 and work your way through, its a pity that you cant vote for each cover in the covers section with out having to go through each Prog individually.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Start at Prog 1 and work your way through, its a pity that you cant vote for each cover in the covers section with out having to go through each Prog individually.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Link: The Cover Story
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Wake on 26 January, 2003, 05:31:57 PM
Post by: Wake on 26 January, 2003, 05:31:57 PM
I'll try and sort out voting from the covers pages within the next few days.
Wake
Wake
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Wake on 26 January, 2003, 05:33:09 PM
Post by: Wake on 26 January, 2003, 05:33:09 PM
I would have thought that it was the other way around, since the penciller is usually credited before the inker.
Wake
Wake
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 05:33:44 PM
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 05:33:44 PM
Aiiiieeeee! I thought the niogel Dobynn cover for prog was bad, but this...
My eyes! They burn! They Burn!
My eyes! They burn! They Burn!
Link: http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=covers
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 05:36:29 PM
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 05:36:29 PM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Link: http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=prog&p
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 05:38:35 PM
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 05:38:35 PM
Nooooooo.........................(cont'd)
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 05:56:50 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 05:56:50 PM
ahh the beauty of hindsight, at the time this was a good cover, its only after seeing the movie that you then think its crap. Vote for how the cover was and not what it has become.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 06:18:19 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 06:18:19 PM
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: judda fett on 26 January, 2003, 06:28:47 PM
Post by: judda fett on 26 January, 2003, 06:28:47 PM
Ha Ha, I love that cover.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 06:32:22 PM
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 06:32:22 PM
how about...
Link: this one...
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 06:34:05 PM
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 06:34:05 PM
or....
Link: this one...
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 06:35:48 PM
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 06:35:48 PM
And who could forget...
Link: this one...
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: judda fett on 26 January, 2003, 06:46:14 PM
Post by: judda fett on 26 January, 2003, 06:46:14 PM
Ha Ha...Leave the Star Wars covers alone you bullies; that said Im not gonna defend the Go-Bots or Moonraker, even though they dont suck as hard as that Star Trek abomination.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 06:48:33 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 06:48:33 PM
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: judda fett on 26 January, 2003, 06:52:39 PM
Post by: judda fett on 26 January, 2003, 06:52:39 PM
Thats just wrong isnt it.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 07:02:34 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 07:02:34 PM
perhaps instead of being in a one-off catagory there should be a crap film, toy tie in section 8-)
Working my way through the Progs and there are many film and toy tie ins, a selection other to whats already appeared from the first few Progs I've been to:
Film:
http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=140
Toy:
http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=189
http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=290
http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=293
http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=435
Although on a serious note one of the suprise covers I'd forgotten about is the cover to Prog 19, its one of the super cover stories and a pure gem that had slipped my memory.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Working my way through the Progs and there are many film and toy tie ins, a selection other to whats already appeared from the first few Progs I've been to:
Film:
http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=140
Toy:
http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=189
http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=290
http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=293
http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=435
Although on a serious note one of the suprise covers I'd forgotten about is the cover to Prog 19, its one of the super cover stories and a pure gem that had slipped my memory.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Link: Prog 19
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 07:30:58 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 07:30:58 PM
Technically this could become the biggest thread ever. Every single Prog cover could go here with a link to the page for people to vote, as I'm sure more people read the message board than go to the cover or Prog sections.
So by the end of the day there could be 1324 posts with a cover pic attached 8-)
I like the idea of the best and worst covers being viewable in their own sections but how many people who come to this site go deeper than just the latest Progs, how many will go back and vote for covers from the 70, & 80's.
Can voting be done by anyone or do you have to be a registered member?
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
So by the end of the day there could be 1324 posts with a cover pic attached 8-)
I like the idea of the best and worst covers being viewable in their own sections but how many people who come to this site go deeper than just the latest Progs, how many will go back and vote for covers from the 70, & 80's.
Can voting be done by anyone or do you have to be a registered member?
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 08:15:45 PM
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 08:15:45 PM
You have to be a registered member - its a bit weird that only a small handful of people bother to vote on the older progs - if only 20 0r 30 out of the thousands (?) of registered users would go back and use their vote, we'd have much more representative top 10s - Last time I tried to drum up some support for voting, it didnt have much of an impact. Though that said, it was over a year ago, and there are a lot of new faces... mebbe post up a link to a prog a day for the next week and see if there are any takers?
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 08:23:13 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 08:23:13 PM
Just taken a look at the top covers and its good to see some of the older ones appearing but I'd say that there are atill many great Prog covers out there that should be on the list.
Im sure that once Wake works out a way of voting straight from the cover story section so that you can view 50 covers at a time instead of going to the individual Prog page the truly best covers will start to appear.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Im sure that once Wake works out a way of voting straight from the cover story section so that you can view 50 covers at a time instead of going to the individual Prog page the truly best covers will start to appear.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Link: The Cover Story: 1 - 50
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 08:41:58 PM
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 08:41:58 PM
"Logans force field has failed and he now weights 2,500 tons! Jupiter's gravity is crushing him to a dot!"
Link: Prog 4 cover
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 09:04:45 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 09:04:45 PM
Just proves how ahead of the times 2000 was, even Tharg predicted how things would get me down in the future 8-)
La Gravity Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
La Gravity Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 09:18:09 PM
Post by: Art on 26 January, 2003, 09:18:09 PM
Looks like theres 3 hardcore maniacs working their way through the covers from prog 1 at the moment. I'm up to tharg doing the washing up
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Smiley on 26 January, 2003, 09:21:48 PM
Post by: Smiley on 26 January, 2003, 09:21:48 PM
Pretty sure Prog 561 was by Garry Leach, not the series artist David Roach. Compare the style with the Four Dark Judges sequential pin-ups (from around the same time??).
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: judda fett on 26 January, 2003, 09:30:06 PM
Post by: judda fett on 26 January, 2003, 09:30:06 PM
I enjoyed David Roaches artwork on Nemesis, gonna have to dig out those progs. That cover does smack of Leach.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: paulvonscott on 26 January, 2003, 09:40:29 PM
Post by: paulvonscott on 26 January, 2003, 09:40:29 PM
I'm on the case, I think if you had a thread for each batch of fifty spread over a few weeks, you could get more people to get involved in this oddness.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 09:40:42 PM
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2003, 09:40:42 PM
And this could well be Garry Leach as well....
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Queen Firey-Bou on 26 January, 2003, 09:42:17 PM
Post by: Queen Firey-Bou on 26 January, 2003, 09:42:17 PM
ohh I hated that tale at the time, she was such a blooming victim.
anyone notice how luridly dayglow things got in the late 80's?
Bisleys winning hands down for me tho at mo.
so do you boys ever sleep ? how many jars of coffee so far ?
anyone notice how luridly dayglow things got in the late 80's?
Bisleys winning hands down for me tho at mo.
so do you boys ever sleep ? how many jars of coffee so far ?
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 09:46:47 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 09:46:47 PM
So far done upto Prog 500, but going to have to stop soon as I'm off to the cinema.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 09:49:33 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 09:49:33 PM
Wake said earlier thathes going to work on being able to vote straight from the cover story page so that you'll be able to look at 50 covers at a time and click on your votes for each cover. Should make it far easier for people to vote on the covers as you can do them in batches.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Smiley on 26 January, 2003, 09:55:55 PM
Post by: Smiley on 26 January, 2003, 09:55:55 PM
And this could well be Garry Leach as well..
I'd say definitely :)
I'd say definitely :)
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Smiley on 26 January, 2003, 10:12:17 PM
Post by: Smiley on 26 January, 2003, 10:12:17 PM
Progs 260, 262, 283 and 320 on the unknown artist list look like Robin Smith's. Possibly Prog 449 as well (the linework on the glass shards looks like his, but not sure).
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: paulvonscott on 26 January, 2003, 10:14:18 PM
Post by: paulvonscott on 26 January, 2003, 10:14:18 PM
Hmmm.. did 1-50, took long enough tho, I'll wait till wake has his new voting system sorted out.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 11:28:20 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 26 January, 2003, 11:28:20 PM
Still cant believe that Prog 74's cover hasn't made it in to the top 20, bloody heathens the lot of you.
And as for Bisley, pffft.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
And as for Bisley, pffft.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Link: 4 the Bisley fans Pfft
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Queen Firey-Bou on 27 January, 2003, 01:00:03 AM
Post by: Queen Firey-Bou on 27 January, 2003, 01:00:03 AM
Phoarrr ! Bisleys covers yeahh !
I haven't done the first 100 progs cos i've never read or seen them & it just seems wrong to torture myself by browseing them...one day my early progs will come to me...
see that puppy in a robots best friend ? Its just like my new puppy ! except mine would be chewing the robot.
I haven't done the first 100 progs cos i've never read or seen them & it just seems wrong to torture myself by browseing them...one day my early progs will come to me...
see that puppy in a robots best friend ? Its just like my new puppy ! except mine would be chewing the robot.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 27 January, 2003, 01:15:12 AM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 27 January, 2003, 01:15:12 AM
Which is exactly why people should go back an vote for old covers, the more recent stuff will get more votes and the true classics will remain with few votes.
If a newer reader thinks that this weeks Dredd/Alien cover is great and gives it a high mark, what will they think if they ever go back and look at the earlier stuff and how do they then judge what mark to give it.
You may not have read early Progs but your not completely voting for memories your voting for the cover artwork and the impact it has. If you don't like a character it doesn't mean that a cover with that character is only worth a 1, its how the cover looks.
Have I waffled enough, hopefully wake will make voting for covers easier soon so that going back through old covers won't be a chore and we'll end up with a more objective view of the best covers.
La Cover Mission Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
If a newer reader thinks that this weeks Dredd/Alien cover is great and gives it a high mark, what will they think if they ever go back and look at the earlier stuff and how do they then judge what mark to give it.
You may not have read early Progs but your not completely voting for memories your voting for the cover artwork and the impact it has. If you don't like a character it doesn't mean that a cover with that character is only worth a 1, its how the cover looks.
Have I waffled enough, hopefully wake will make voting for covers easier soon so that going back through old covers won't be a chore and we'll end up with a more objective view of the best covers.
La Cover Mission Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Link: Probably The Best Covers In The World Ever?
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Queen Firey-Bou on 27 January, 2003, 01:27:56 AM
Post by: Queen Firey-Bou on 27 January, 2003, 01:27:56 AM
pah how can somone vote with out all the information? i.e the whole prog ? pah what kindof democracy is that. i think someone should donate all those early progs to me so i can speak knowledgably about them... no...pfff , oh well alrighty i'm a going to look then,
nagged Bou slouches off.
nagged Bou slouches off.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: karne on 27 January, 2003, 02:01:07 AM
Post by: karne on 27 January, 2003, 02:01:07 AM
How about a "Disguising genitals as aliens" section?
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Queen Firey-Bou on 27 January, 2003, 02:04:30 AM
Post by: Queen Firey-Bou on 27 January, 2003, 02:04:30 AM
karne you are sick man....they are rather tho aren't they.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Oddboy on 28 January, 2003, 08:31:58 PM
Post by: Oddboy on 28 January, 2003, 08:31:58 PM
This has to get a mention:
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 29 January, 2003, 12:00:06 AM
Post by: Art on 29 January, 2003, 12:00:06 AM
The 400s-500s are defiantely under represented at the momnet - get voting!
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Trout on 29 January, 2003, 12:11:05 AM
Post by: Trout on 29 January, 2003, 12:11:05 AM
Arriving late, this fish would like to stand up for Cliff Robinson's Dredd covers, which I always liked even if they were a bit samey sometimes.
- Trout
- Trout
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: James on 29 January, 2003, 02:04:27 AM
Post by: James on 29 January, 2003, 02:04:27 AM
Here's one 'o my faves
Link: Hola Halo!
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Wake on 29 January, 2003, 04:28:54 AM
Post by: Wake on 29 January, 2003, 04:28:54 AM
Mass voting is now working...I think.
Wake
P.S. Bou. The site only allows 1 vote per person, and you are voting for the cover not the prog, so you can reasonably vote for a prog you haven't read.
Wake
P.S. Bou. The site only allows 1 vote per person, and you are voting for the cover not the prog, so you can reasonably vote for a prog you haven't read.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 29 January, 2003, 08:15:32 PM
Post by: Art on 29 January, 2003, 08:15:32 PM
There seem to be some fluctuations and weirdnesses in the voting system. For instance this superb Kevin O'Neil Metalzoic cover breifly appeared in the "Bottom 20 covers" section, but now is shown as not having enough votes to be scored.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Wake on 29 January, 2003, 09:14:21 PM
Post by: Wake on 29 January, 2003, 09:14:21 PM
The fluctuations were due to a bug in the new code, which has now been ironed out.
I'll see if I can get the mass-vote code working a bit quicker. It takes rather a long time for the thumbs-up to appear whne voting on 50 covers simultaneously.
Wake
I'll see if I can get the mass-vote code working a bit quicker. It takes rather a long time for the thumbs-up to appear whne voting on 50 covers simultaneously.
Wake
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 30 January, 2003, 07:07:27 AM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 30 January, 2003, 07:07:27 AM
I know voting for covers is a very subjective thing I know what deserves a 10 and what pile of Bison deserves a 1 but what are others grading system. Just wondered if there should be some guidance so that fture voters have an idea to work off so that covers just dont get 10, 5 or 1 a sliding scale of Zarjazzness to give people an idea of what vote to give.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Smiley on 30 January, 2003, 09:29:32 AM
Post by: Smiley on 30 January, 2003, 09:29:32 AM
Taste and nostalgia can never be accounted for, though I've tended towards...
1 Embarrassing
2 Bad
3 Unremarkable
4 Formulaic
5 Good
6 Standout (e.g. Clever, witty)
7 Exciting (e.g. skip to the story depicted)
8 Great
9 Classic
10 Masterpiece
1 Embarrassing
2 Bad
3 Unremarkable
4 Formulaic
5 Good
6 Standout (e.g. Clever, witty)
7 Exciting (e.g. skip to the story depicted)
8 Great
9 Classic
10 Masterpiece
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 30 January, 2003, 06:56:56 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 30 January, 2003, 06:56:56 PM
Just taking a look at the bottom covers and was suprised to see Progs 940 & 943 amongst them, I know they are of the Dredd Movie but both covers came out before we had seen the film, Prog 940 came out on 19th May 1995 and I saw a preview screening of Dredd on the 16th July 1995. So we had 8 weeks between seeing the movie Dredd depicted on the cover of 2000 and seeing how bad the movie actually was. Dopeople think that the movie covers are truly bad covers or are we mletting our dislike of the movie reflect in our voting.
Personally I think Prog 940 is (using smileys system) worthy of a possible 7. After 15 years of waiting the movie was nearly here, The cover to Prog 940 seemed like they had gotthe look, but 8 weeks later we discover how wrong that hope was.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Personally I think Prog 940 is (using smileys system) worthy of a possible 7. After 15 years of waiting the movie was nearly here, The cover to Prog 940 seemed like they had gotthe look, but 8 weeks later we discover how wrong that hope was.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Link: Prog 940
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 30 January, 2003, 06:59:54 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 30 January, 2003, 06:59:54 PM
How many spelling mistakes in that last post, still cant get used to this tiny keyboard, what happened to the days when computers and their hardware was as big as a house.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 30 January, 2003, 07:12:21 PM
Post by: Art on 30 January, 2003, 07:12:21 PM
You could make the argument that using film stills is cheap and lazy and therefore deserving of a one.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 30 January, 2003, 09:55:45 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 30 January, 2003, 09:55:45 PM
Pity these pointers couldnt appear next to the number in the drop down menu.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: The Monarch on 30 January, 2003, 10:07:20 PM
Post by: The Monarch on 30 January, 2003, 10:07:20 PM
i would just like to say is that chopper in that independance day cover?!?
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Wake on 30 January, 2003, 10:10:08 PM
Post by: Wake on 30 January, 2003, 10:10:08 PM
It's up to each individual to decide what the 1-10 scale means to them, so long as everyone knows that 10 is better than 1 inconsistencies between voters should iron themselves out.
Even if everyone decided to vote tacticly by using 10 for stuff they like and 1 for stuff they don't the resulting thrillpower would still be a gauge of how good a cover is. 5x1 and 5x10 = 5.5; 2x1 and 8x10 = 8.2; etc.
Wake
Even if everyone decided to vote tacticly by using 10 for stuff they like and 1 for stuff they don't the resulting thrillpower would still be a gauge of how good a cover is. 5x1 and 5x10 = 5.5; 2x1 and 8x10 = 8.2; etc.
Wake
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Leigh S on 31 January, 2003, 01:27:04 AM
Post by: Leigh S on 31 January, 2003, 01:27:04 AM
My take on voting is this
If a story is so-so it gets a five. Usually its something I dont particularly enjoy, but I can see its not actually bad and others might enjoy it. The scale slides down from there to a 4 (dull or just a bit less than I'd expect in terms of art and/or quality of storytelling) to a 1 (really obviously against all thrill power - what was Tharg thinking?)
6 or 7 are stories I enjoy, but perhaps dont engage me to the point I'm really gripped (or are let down by the art or some other niggling detail), while 8 is a really solid, enjoyable, all-round well crafted thrill. 9 and 10 is for the true classics.
If a story is so-so it gets a five. Usually its something I dont particularly enjoy, but I can see its not actually bad and others might enjoy it. The scale slides down from there to a 4 (dull or just a bit less than I'd expect in terms of art and/or quality of storytelling) to a 1 (really obviously against all thrill power - what was Tharg thinking?)
6 or 7 are stories I enjoy, but perhaps dont engage me to the point I'm really gripped (or are let down by the art or some other niggling detail), while 8 is a really solid, enjoyable, all-round well crafted thrill. 9 and 10 is for the true classics.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Oddboy on 31 January, 2003, 11:24:19 PM
Post by: Oddboy on 31 January, 2003, 11:24:19 PM
I've gone for "Random Dredd cover" as a "5" and tried to gauge them as better or worse...
Problems arise when you find a picture that is good in layout/what it shows but you don't like the artist's style (or vice versa)
Problems arise when you find a picture that is good in layout/what it shows but you don't like the artist's style (or vice versa)
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Smiley on 01 February, 2003, 02:52:06 AM
Post by: Smiley on 01 February, 2003, 02:52:06 AM
Well, I've voted up to Prog 1000. See you on the other side!
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Smiley on 01 February, 2003, 08:31:32 AM
Post by: Smiley on 01 February, 2003, 08:31:32 AM
Phew! All done. Think I'll go to sleep nowzzzzzzzsnrkzzz....
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 10 February, 2003, 04:54:36 AM
Post by: Art on 10 February, 2003, 04:54:36 AM
Hey, are links to the bottom and top covers going up in the covers zone?
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 10 February, 2003, 04:00:24 PM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 10 February, 2003, 04:00:24 PM
The Cover Story:
http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=covers
Zarjaz Covers:
http://www.2000adonline.com/?zone=covers&page=zarjaz
Thrillsucker Covers:
http://www.2000adonline.com//index.php3?zone=covers&page=thrillsuckers
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
http://www.2000adonline.com/index.php3?zone=covers
Zarjaz Covers:
http://www.2000adonline.com/?zone=covers&page=zarjaz
Thrillsucker Covers:
http://www.2000adonline.com//index.php3?zone=covers&page=thrillsuckers
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: jock on 10 February, 2003, 04:47:47 PM
Post by: jock on 10 February, 2003, 04:47:47 PM
What's everyone got against Anthony Williams? Or is it just Millar's Robo-hunter that's the problem??
Jock
Jock
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Buddy on 11 February, 2003, 08:14:24 AM
Post by: Buddy on 11 February, 2003, 08:14:24 AM
Now this is a cover I'd like to see...
Can you spot issue one???
(I hope this works)
Can you spot issue one???
(I hope this works)
Link: http://www.ximoc.co.uk
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Buddy on 11 February, 2003, 08:16:52 AM
Post by: Buddy on 11 February, 2003, 08:16:52 AM
Didn't work. Try again
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: W. R. Logan on 11 February, 2003, 08:20:03 AM
Post by: W. R. Logan on 11 February, 2003, 08:20:03 AM
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Buddy on 11 February, 2003, 08:22:20 AM
Post by: Buddy on 11 February, 2003, 08:22:20 AM
Hurragh!!!
For best effect stand slightly back from your monitor.
It's not perfect but you get the idea.
For best effect stand slightly back from your monitor.
It's not perfect but you get the idea.
Title: Re: Best Cover?
Post by: Art on 11 February, 2003, 02:29:45 PM
Post by: Art on 11 February, 2003, 02:29:45 PM
Nice. Do you still have the cover images? It might be fun to try that with more photographic image rather than a 2-colour one like the tooth logo.