Well of course Rebellion got there first by getting Zenith out this week. Where 2000ad goes the rest follow and so its fitting that Marvel have finally announced Miracleman will be published from start to conclusion beginning January 2014.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/10/12/marvel-to-republish-miracleman-from-january-2014-to-its-conclusion/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/10/12/marvel-to-republish-miracleman-from-january-2014-to-its-conclusion/)
What's curious is the fact they've gone with Miracleman rather than Marvelman. Guess its better know by the former?
Great news, and good to see that Gaiman (and Buckingham apparently) is happy with it too.
Gaimans take was interesting given that Moore had brought the story to its, and his natural conclusion, it will be interesting to see where Gaiman was taking it.
Not very interested in any new takes on the character or integration into the Marvel universe.
The Miracle V Marvel naming is interesting. Miracleman in both name and costume made its appearance in Marvel UK's Daredevils No.7, in Moore and Davis's Capt. Britain.
Beaten to the punch by the monkey again.
Regarding the name, Marvel are clearly going with Miracleman as that is the title with far, far higher audience recognition. Not everyone read Warrior you know. ;)
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 13 October, 2013, 01:58:16 AM
Regarding the name, Marvel are clearly going with Miracleman as that is the title with far, far higher audience recognition. Not everyone read Warrior you know. ;)
Marvel all ready published the character as Marvelman. Not sure how much actual recognition Miracleman has since most people haven't been able to buy it for about 20 years and those that have read it are probably familiar with its history of naming all ready.
I'm sure that Marvelman will be the marvel universe character & Miracleman will be the mature readers, off in his own universe character.
To capitalise on the name Marvelman it might be better to keep it simple and I'm assuming they really only want the character for the rights to reprint Moore's past and Gaiman's future stories.
Marvel's reprints of older Marvelman didn't exactly light up the charts in 2010 (they didn't reprint anymore) and Miracleman will inevitably sell shed-loads because of its association with Alan Moore, so if they want the Marvelman brand to carry some weight in future, it might be better to promote the Marvelman association moreso with the reprint of the Moore version.
Very much looking forward to this but I do not see the point at all in reissuing it as a monthly comic. What I want is a beautiful set of hardback books (a la Zenith), anything else is a delaying tactic.
I suspect the whole Miracleman / Marvelman thing is a legal issue (Captain Marvel rip-off?), and will simply confirm Moore in his view that Marvel cannot be trusted. However, I don't really care. I know it is as Miracleman anyway.
I know it as MiracleMan too. Much better name than Marvel Man anyway and there's enough of that going around anywho.
It's being reissued as a monthly comic though :/ Wtf eh.
Anyway this has been on my 'to buy' list for over a decade and it took me a long time to work out they're just not available. When Zenith gets released in a reasonable manner I will be able to add my favourite superhero stuff to my collection. Well my favourite grown up stuff, Impulse from DC is always going to hold my top spot.
I'm actually on a Warrior re-read at the moment so I'll be interested to see these re-coloured and lettered when they come out
Haven't read the Totleben issues for years
Quote from: Jimmy Baker's Assistant on 13 October, 2013, 10:36:34 AM
I suspect the whole Miracleman / Marvelman thing is a legal issue (Captain Marvel rip-off?), and will simply confirm Moore in his view that Marvel cannot be trusted.
Marvel own both names and have all ready published the character as Marvelman. All it confirms is that Marvel paid out boat-loads of money to the creators to hand over the rights and Moore gave his rights away.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 October, 2013, 01:12:53 PM
Marvel own both names and have all ready published the character as Marvelman. All it confirms is that Marvel paid out boat-loads of money to the creators to hand over the rights and Moore gave his rights away.
Marvel don't own the rights to Captain Marvel, and that Mick Anglo collection would not have been worth fighting over, whereas this one palpably is.
In any case, like I said, I don't mind. It seems pointless arguing about it.
Quote from: Jimmy Baker's Assistant on 13 October, 2013, 02:11:10 PM
Marvel don't own the rights to Captain Marvel, and that Mick Anglo collection would not have been worth fighting over, whereas this one palpably is.
Never meant they owned Captain Marvel (Marvelman's a completely different name to Marvel & DC's Captain Marvel) but they own both Miracleman & Marvelman and they've all ready published it as Marvelman without legal problems.
Wow, first Zenith gets reprinted, then long lost Dr Who episodes turn up, now this! All we need now is for the banned episodes of Dredd to see the light of day again!
Followed Marvelman/Miricleman since issue 1 of Warrior and I still have the Eclipse issues but will still try and get this. Had my trades nicked in the early nineties so will be interested in getting the collections as well.
One thing that occurs to me though, will Marvel re-print the birth scene? I don't read Marvel any more so don't know if they publish more mature/adult content.
Quote from: gavingavin on 13 October, 2013, 03:55:10 PM
I don't read Marvel any more so don't know if they publish more mature/adult content.
They have a whole line (well, more the occasional title, really) dedicated to it these days - the Max imprint.
Actually not to muddy the waters but I think Captain Marvel may now be a Marvel trademark, which is why they called Billy Batson "Shazam" in that godawful comic of the nu52.
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 13 October, 2013, 04:03:21 PM
Actually not to muddy the waters but I think Captain Marvel may now be a Marvel trademark, which is why they called Billy Batson "Shazam" in that godawful comic of the nu52.
Indeed, but Marvelman started out as a deliberate copy of Captain Marvel.
Kimota = Shazam??
I am having a michael moran level of epiphany here :P
5 years after the comic ended, I discovered Kimota was Atomic(k) backwards :-[
Just never occurred to me.
That's how Mickey remembers his magic word! He sees it in a mirror at the nuclear power plant
Quote from: Daveycandlish on 13 October, 2013, 11:56:34 AM
I'm actually on a Warrior re-read at the moment so I'll be interested to see these re-coloured and lettered when they come out
Haven't read the Totleben issues for years
remeber and read the letters pages!
I would have (probably) bought a reprint series had Marvel gone with the original Marvelman title but don't really see the point of picking it up under the Miracleman title when I've already got the Eclipse issues. At least, not until they get around to Gaiman's unpublished issues.
I'm not surprised that Marvel went with Miracleman rather than Marvelman for pretty much the same reason they wouldn't touch it in the eighties when Dez Skinn was hawking the Warrior stuff around America. The name Marvelman sounds like he is a figurehead for the company and some kind of representative mascot when really it was an off the wall English character. Likewise DC wouldn't touch it because it had 'Marvel' in the title, hence the change to Miracleman when Eclipse went with it.
I was surprised when they published the fifties stuff under the original moniker but assumed that was them trying to put a firm claim on the name when there was some dispute over who owned the character under the 'Miracle' variant with Todd McFarlane.
I would vastly prefer the Marvelman name to be used but at the end of the day I'm not too bothered as it will be nice to see the strip again and to finally see the completion of Gaimans 'The Silver Age' story and the concluding Dark Age arc.
To add to the above, no other comic company would touch Marvelman under that name for fear of being sued of the face of the earth by Marvel!
To avoid any confusion (a simplified version as I understand it) - sorry for any inaccuracies as its all from my memory:
Marvelman - was a UK Captain Marvel rip off (the Fawcett one - see below) which continued after Captain Marvel ceased publication. It was revived in the 80s by Alan Moore for Warrior. After Warrior was cancelled it was published by Eclipse in the US and Re-titled Miracleman (to avoid conflict with Marvel). Neil Gaiman wrote the last few issues, and Todd McFarlane tried to revive the character in the 1990s. The character remained in a legal quagmire until recently due to people dividing their perceived ownership each time they passed it on.
Captain Marvel (DC)- Captain Marvel was a Superman rip off, originally published by Fawcett comics, which became more popular than Superman. DC sued Fawcett and the case ran for a long time, until superheroes were no longer popular. Fawcett folded and DC gained control of Captain Marvel. When they tried to revive the character Marvel had already registered the lapsed name trademark, and so DC changed the name to Shazam.
Captain Marvel (Marvel) - Created by marvel in the late 60's to take advantage of Fawcett's lapsed trademark of the name Captain Marvel. Known as Captain Mar-Vell for some reason.
Marvel Man (Marvel) - a Marvel comics character later renamed Quasar for some reason.
Miracle Man is one of the reasons I dislike Todd MacFarlane intensely, despite the fact that the man can draw a good spiderman. Or could.
Man of Miracles you mean!
Shhhhhh!
Just found out about this and so delighted that it's happening. I only came to these later on, but they really do represent some of the best of Alan Moore's work. Wasn't quite so keen on Gaiman's but it was still great. As with all comics these days, I'll wait for a collected version, which surely can't be far off (surely).
Does anyone think a collected trade of the Alan Moore stuff will include both colour and original black and white (Warrior) art?
For the name, I prefer Miracleman, as it's more in keeping with the whole Superheroes as Gods theme.
Quote from: credo on 17 October, 2013, 11:48:40 AM
Does anyone think a collected trade of the Alan Moore stuff will include both colour and original black and white (Warrior) art?
Unlikely, for several reasons. I think they'll probably recolour it all anyway.
Marvel's January 2014 Solicitations:
"MIRACLEMAN #1 & 2
THE ORIGINAL WRITER & MICK ANGLO (W)
GARRY LEACH, ALAN DAVIS, PAUL NEARY, STEVE DILLON & MICK ANGLO (A)
ISSUE #1 – COVER BY JOE QUESADA
Variant COVER BY JOHN CASSADAY
Variant COVER BY MARK BUCKINGHAM
Variant COVER BY JEROME OPENA
Variant COVER BY LEINIL FRANCIS YU
Sketch VARIANT BY JOE QUESADA
YOUNG VARIANT BY SKOTTIE YOUNG
CLASSIC VARIANT BY GARRY LEACH
ISSUE #2 – COVER BY ALAN DAVIS
Variant COVER BY ARTHUR ADAMS
Variant COVER BY MIKE PERKINS
Variant COVER BY MIKE MCKONE
Sketch VARIANT BY ALAN DAVIS• KIMOTA! With one magic word, a long-forgotten legend lives again!
• Freelance reporter Michael Moran always knew he was meant for something more -- now, a strange series of events leads him to reclaim his destiny!
• Relive the ground-breaking eighties adventures that captured lightning in a bottle -- or experience them for the first time -- in these digitally restored, fully relettered editions!
• Issue 1 includes material originally presented in WARRIOR #1 and MIRACLEMAN #1, plus the MARVELMAN PRIMER. Issue #2 includes material originally presented in WARRIOR #1-5, plus bonus material.
ISSUE #1 – 64 PGS./Parental Advisory...$5.99
ISSUE #2 – 48 PGS./Parental Advisory...$4.99"
A bad case of variantitis, but full marks for "The Original Writer" :D
My pet peeve with comics?
Fucking variant covers.
Just only get one
Quote from: Jimmy Baker's Assistant on 17 October, 2013, 06:31:56 PM
A bad case of variantitis, but full marks for "The Original Writer" :D
It would be funny if Moore was credited as that in the actual reprinted issues, and as he wants his name taken off it I guess it's possible that is what we are going to get! They could always credit him as Curt Vile or Jill de Ray I suppose!
As my teenage daughter would say: OMG Yes Curt Vile.
Wasn't he also Pedro Henry?
Wasn't Pedro Henry Steve Moore? Might be wrong on that though.
... and while I'm here, variant covers have been a blight on the comics landscape for far too long.