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2000 AD => General => Topic started by: Last of the V8's on 06 February, 2003, 04:36:00 AM

Title: Clint Langley on Slaine
Post by: Last of the V8's on 06 February, 2003, 04:36:00 AM
Awsome cover on this weeks prog and interior art from Mr. Langley. So how does he do it.
Are you reading this Clint? Is it all done on the computer or what. Be real interested to know.
Title: Re: Clint Langley on Slaine...
Post by: ukdane on 06 February, 2003, 05:13:16 AM
Yeah, I'd love to see a step-by-step on this site of how you put a page together.
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Post by: LARF on 06 February, 2003, 06:05:39 AM
Looks like it's hand rendered and then scanned and manipulated in photoshop... anyone ever seen Brian Bolland's website?
Fantastic stuff and step by step guides... do a search on yahoo you'll find it.
Title: Re: Clint Langley on Slaine......
Post by: Mangamax on 06 February, 2003, 06:06:02 AM
Know what you mean. It's lovely art but sometimes doesn't look "right". It looks too "in focus" if there can be such a thing? Look at detail work on Slaines armour on this weeks cover for an example. Case of computer tweaking?
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Post by: HiEx on 06 February, 2003, 10:10:44 AM
Clint Langley's work on Slaine has been absolutely amazing. I really hope we see more of his work soon.

HiEx
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Post by: Devons Daddy on 06 February, 2003, 12:18:52 PM
the art is of a style rarely seen in comics.
seems so real, which only makes it more spectular.

truly amazing stuff.
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Post by: Mangamax on 06 February, 2003, 02:23:17 PM
That first shot of Niamh - thats a photo of the flowers isn't it? Come to think of it, her weapons and Slaines face on the next page look like photos that have been touched up in some way.
Can't we get Clint to do a feature for this site on how he does it?
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Post by: Wood on 06 February, 2003, 04:10:26 PM
Can I say that I still don't like it?
Title: Re: Clint Langley on Slaine...
Post by: Last of the V8's on 06 February, 2003, 06:52:49 PM
Any chance we can have this cover as a screen saver without the copy over the art?
Title: Re: Clint Langley on Slaine......
Post by: MOONSHINE on 06 February, 2003, 07:02:24 PM
Im sure the flowers were put using a photo shop tool called "tubes" not that this clarifies matters.

Photoshop can do all kinds of visual tricks, including making images sharper or blurring then (the often use focus effect).

But it'ts not exactly easy.

Clints methods must be painstaking. What I'd really like to know is if he gets more for his
labour intensive pages than an artist who just slaps inks over pencils and colour blocks the gaps.
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Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 06 February, 2003, 07:15:49 PM
Me neither

ADE
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Post by: frazer on 06 February, 2003, 08:49:16 PM
"...labour intensive pages than an artist who just slaps inks over pencils and colour blocks the gaps."

??

wtf?

ever tried to "slap inks over pencils" and then "colour block the gaps" yourself? and make it read clearly, convey character and have a consistency of style? there's a few dozen folks on this message board who should be able to testify how hard that is.

Clint's work is indeed gorgeous, but it's just as tricky to get simplicity in the art as it is to get tonnes of detail.

and all art is an illusion anyway.

F
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Post by: Oddboy on 06 February, 2003, 09:17:16 PM
I'd've thought it would be way easier to do it on the computer then by hand!
Just because clever photoshop techniques may not be easy as as pie, doesn't make it trickier then actually having artistic talent.
I like the Sl?ine artwork (I'd love to see some of the original pencil work pre-computer) but I wouldn't want it to become the norm 2000AD.
Title: Re: Clint Langley on Slaine..........
Post by: Matt on 06 February, 2003, 09:40:53 PM
Clints art on Slaine is some of the best I've seen on the series. Dare I say it's better than Bisleys? And what an ending to Book 1 as well. Can't believe I'm gonna have to wait until the summer for book 2! Don't know how Clint puts his artwork together, but it's miles better than Dinosty all those years ago.
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Post by: Trout on 06 February, 2003, 09:58:57 PM
"Dinosty"

Let's never speak of that again.

- Trout
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Post by: W. R. Logan on 06 February, 2003, 10:13:58 PM
Someone must have Clints address, ask him to do a pencils to page feature.

La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
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Post by: damnandblast on 06 February, 2003, 11:18:00 PM
"and all art is an illusion anyway"

Lunchtime, doubly s-

Damn! Wrong reference.

Nigel
Title: Re: Clint Langley on Slaine..........
Post by: satchmo on 07 February, 2003, 01:05:56 AM
I think this weeks cover is one of the best in years,so cheers for that Clint. I hope it pulls in some lapsed readers with its Horned God era vibe.
And is it me,or does Slaine have the look of Quentin Tarantino with Roth Bellyshakers body? : )
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Post by: James on 07 February, 2003, 01:32:42 AM
I don't really like it either.

It doesn't flow very well sometimes, although pretty it is.

James
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Post by: Tiplodocus on 07 February, 2003, 06:35:07 AM
I agree with the naysayers I think.

It is quite pretty to look at but it is very still. I'm not sure it makes for a very dynamic read.  I'll drag out the old GAZE INTO THE FIST OF DREDD as an example o some line work that has dynamism and *emotion* in it.

I've also got a thing about people using computers to such a high degree on comic art.  The logical conclusion of these technological developments will be packages that allow people like myself who cannot draw to cut and paste elements together to produce computer art.  I'm not saying that this is a bad thing per se but I feel you might end up with a situation slightly analagous to the record industry where a lot of people are getting famous by being good engineers and producers (sampling this from here and that from there and a snatch of tune from this record and then putting a rap on top of it) without being able to write a melody or carry a tune.


Anyway, given that this is SLAINE's most emotional storyline ever, I think we are getting slightly short changed on lovingly rendered facial closeups showing what he's going through.

Some of this may be to do with the dense (in both the number of words and the number of panels) script.

I'm a bit in two minds over the whole thing - The art is pretty but neither action packed or detailed in the right places for me and the script has a great hook with the vengence for NAIMH angle but is full of words saying "Oh I'm all cut up about this" rather than nice pictures showing said feelings.

I'm not against wordy scripts; some can be very clever and literate but I feel that this is neither. Though I did like MOLOCH explaining his torture to the children.

But I felt "He called me friend" was a bit trite.


Despite all of the above, I'd still mark SLAINE as ABOVE AVERAGE but I certainly don't think these BEST EVER plaudits are deserved.


TRUE STORY: A guy from the marketing department at my old place of work once asked me what I thought of his presentation. I said, I thought it was a bit trite. "Oh, thank you very much" he said and walked off smiling.
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Post by: Mangamax on 07 February, 2003, 02:05:33 PM
Know what you mean. That real early story where Niamh tells Slaine that she's taking Kai off to be a Druid had far more emotion packed into one frame than all of this weeks episode.
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Post by: karne on 08 February, 2003, 02:03:30 AM
"I felt "He called me friend" was a bit trite."

I loathed that line, it was like a "let's explain this for the dumb audience" moment from a film. I would have prefered some thing along the lines of "...friend?!" reflecting puzzlement and surprise. Ukko may as well have given a knowing look to the reader whilst uttering such cringeworthy dialogue.

That asides, Pat still remains one of my all time favourite comic writers, but I think he's losing sight of his audience these days. He needs to get in touch with his fans more often and listen to their comments, or does he already do this and I'm in the minority?  
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 08 February, 2003, 02:12:13 AM
'I loathed that line, it was like a "let's explain this for the dumb audience" moment from a film. '

I didn't mind that line at all, but it was the bits before that were a bit dodgy, like 'We'll meet in a bar and do it all again, eh, Sl?ine?', and 'You'll escape, won't you? You always do..'.
It reminded me of the bit on Hotshots were the ridiculously doomed fighter pilot is about to take off, and his pregnant wife is agreeing marry him, and he going to expose who shot JFK when he gets back from his mission.