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I had moved every book shelf & both couch's upstairs & into the part of the house that my brother wanted me to steer clear of. It's where all the good furniture is & it's what I think my brother was hoping to use as a selling point. In fact I think he said the house was already be purchased by some Asian family. Yet, I have felling he might have been having me on about this. Because it's former grand-folks house who have now both passed on as of at least two years ago now. My grandmother was the last to go & my grand father a few years earlier. Sadly.....

Yet, I've always wanted loved this house & wanted to know what it was like to live here. Had thoughts of legitimately buying the place when I still had more than a grand sitting in my bank account. It's pretty big, & close to town & the show grounds which really open during the colder months. There is also a university that has dorms where a mental asylum used to be. The house built on a busy road that seems to be plagued by the sound of ambulance & police sirens, because the close proximity to the hospital & watch-house. Which always set me on edge. The place seems to be devoid of people. Yeah, I do notice there are some people walking along the foot path, using the bus stop nearby. It's just not the volume of people I would have expected around here. It's like they are always either some where else, or inside their houses I guess. I expected more pope, walking around & at night. It's like this part of town has become a graveyard.  While there is a graveyard nearby. It's just I expected more young women walking to & from the university. They have some apartments across road & around the corner specifically made for them. I might be on the prowl once I get my shit together. I'm even thinking of going to university, maybe this one the ones they have in the city (Brisbane). To learn about coding computer games. Maybe just simple ones, or the ones I like playing &/or film. Making movies. It's worth a try. It's good to have those credentials, even if I might have aimed for this while still at school so many years ago now. 

Back on the subject of moving stuff around the house. The books cases were either awkward to move (Because of their size!) or just really heavy, but not that had to shift. The same goes for both couches & old kitchen table which I moved upstairs last night. The bookcases were moved last week & I had haphazardly moved all my beloved novels, graphic novels, comics, magazines (& other reading material that falls in-between those categories without being in one of their own!) on to every available shelf without sorting them. The shifting might have been difficult because of the stairs & the narrow & door ways that always seem to narrow when I getting the bigger stuff through them. 

I'm really chuffed, I got both couches upstairs, & put the older, heavier one in the front room. I used to always sleep in that one. Yet, had trouble doing that of late due to the fact that the middle of it had mysteriously collapsed. Perhaps due to the fact I used to stand up on it to get at books on the over head book shelves or some other unknown reason. (It's a X-File!) Since then, it's been hard on my back & there is the other newer couch, which is meant to replace that one. Yet, that newer couch, was never as comfortable & we always kept it down in the garage with a lot of stuff that might be junk that was never thrown out. I'd often sleep on it anyway out of necessity & that the garage was the coolest room to sleep/rest in during this past summer. Lately, before my move, I would spend a lot of time just reclining on it in the dark merely, because I found that more relaxing because the un-natural light always bothered me & the back room where the other couch was kept & the place where I kept my computer, along with cable television. That room is very hot during the past summer months.

That old couch is now in the front room, with it's back pointing towards the front wall where a largish window is set looking out over the busy road outside. It's got this venetian curtain that that might get pinned behind that couch if push any further back. You have to be careful siting on it because of it's accident. This room is usually shut off by two wooden doors framing twin planes of that ruffled glass (That's what I call it, I'm not sure what it's actually called, but you would find that it's the same stuff that you find in churches & usually stained, but not these. They would be clear, except you can't see through them, because of they're ruffled texture!) that can be locked. It's locked off from what used to be the television/sitting room that is adjoining the dining room. Its like one big long room & even longer when those special doors are open. This part of the house is kind of more antique looking that the rest of it along with the adjoining bedrooms at the front & centre. That sitting room is were I have put most of bookcases, after shifting two of the antique chairs (I thinking of selling those. Maybe for about 1000 dollars AUD a piece.) into that front room. That room does look kind of daggy now & it still has a lot of gear just lying around on the floor.  I might shift those bookcases into some other part of the house, but later.

While I put two of the better & heavier bookcases long the outer wall (The interior wall on the side of the house facing out to the right side if you facing the front of the house whilst standing inside it.) in the dining section. It does have a pair wooden & sliding screen doors which adjoins to tiled corner section of the house where the stairwell can be found on the right. This part of the house has a window wrapped around the top half of it on both walls of that section. They don't really open, but you can slid them open to let air in through he screen sheeting & they are also entirely covered by those very same venetian curtains (Like vertical blinds made from typical curtain material!). I don't consider this part of the dining/sitting/front room before it. I keep those doors closed most of the time. Because the light in the dining area doesn't work &a it's almost dangerously dark in the during the evening. I spent last evening sorting through a special selection of books with a torch in hand. I will elaborate on that later.....

This was after I moved the extendable antique dark wooden table from the centre of this the that room & went to a lot of trouble getting that into the kitchen that's connected to this room via regular doorway. It's wooden with more of the funny looking last that isn't really see through. That doorway is on the right as you enter that section from the sitting room. I had to shuffle/dance that table through opening & ended up leaving it there over night. (I did this two days earlier!) It seemed hopeless & a lost cause by the time I gave up, but got it through later on the next day & that's was just swell. Although, it's kind of big for the dining section of kitchen & does look a tad bit out of place. Because the kitchen is more than few steps into modern away from those other rooms where I put all the books.

The normal dining room table that it replaced is now sitting in the adjoining tiled area of the kitchen with washing sinks, surrounding bench cupboards & the stove, & microwave. They have been seeing a lot of use since I moved in. I actually had a few steaks for the first time in ages. Anyway, it's circular table & has few wooden chairs & it's now sitting right in the centre. It's marginally safer there now because the tiled floor tends to be slippery. I just got the sinks fixed with some financial help from my dad. (They were not draining properly, which made washing cups, dish's, & other utencils that much more awkward!) He stepped in there, because he felt I wasn't doing the dish's enough. The sink was filled overflowing with that & Coke-Zero cans. It a little better now, & I have taking care of the washing in that regard. But it's still difficult because of the lack of hot water & I've only been washing myself over the sink in the shower room with just the soap. I'm not that brave to take a cold shower however hot the weather has been.

That old kitchen table is going to be put down stairs. Which may seem kind of odd, but it would be even weirder if did that with the really good table. I thinking of selling that as well. Even though it may make a great table for table top gaming on. In that dining area adjoining the sitting room. There was also along dark wooden bureau up against inner of the dining room on the flip side of the kitchen. It's the one facing those two good book cases. It moved that into the adjoining tiled section through those sling doors. Where the stairs are. It's up against the back wall facing the front of the house. It fits nicely there & it's very antique. Thinking of selling that as well. Had to empty it, because I could barely move the thing otherwise & it still was hard to move afterwards.  So there is a lot of personal stuff that needs to be carefully packed away into boxes. Taking it's place is the newer couch & that's just perfect for me. I slept there last night. Although, it was little warmer than I usually comfortable with. There are these twin mirrors gilded with some gold like frames just son the wall above. I think I'll leave them there. I can be real narcissistic at times. I was going to remove them, so I could put the other book cases here, but I really like having the couch here. It means I can lie there & read.

From the sitting room, I moved the old television set. It definitely doesn't work & it's one of those old ones that were still shaped like largish box made mostly of wood with legs of the same & buttons & sliding switches on a control panel next to the screen. It's that heavy, I could only slowly push the thing along the carpet to a space where both those rooms join & leave it there. Using it as a temporary table to just pile all my novels.  It was getting in the way, so I shifted that to a outer far corner of the dining room. It fits very snugly next to the books cases. Not sure, what I'd be doing with that. Since it doesn't work, it's either junk furniture or a with potential a designer piece. Maybe, I could turn that into a container after ripping it's innards out.

I have little green combi-desk & chair model after the same type of desk & chair that used found in schools back when I was in year one, two & three. I doesn't think we actually used those, but it's the same idea. It's very small, rickety and painted in very odd shade of green that is somehow enhanced it's appearance of the wooden textures, if in a very sick way. I got used to it & there are two matching wardrobes. One of them more of container type of thing back in the other house & the other was big enough to half step inside of. So, this chair/desk thing has lid that flips open. So you can store books, paper, pencils & other stationary inside. It's one of those. I remember back in my earlier days at school & by the time I was in fourth grade through to seventh that we were using desks that had the same lid & storage option, but they were made from metal. While the lids were still wooden.

Memories.....

Anyway, this little odd piece of furniture is going to be my art/drawing/sketching station. It's in the sitting room & up against & facing one of the inner walls on the flip side of one of the bedrooms. Where one of those antique chairs were sitting.  I still have a lot to clear in that room. It is a bit of eye sore now, but cosy looking as well. I could move all those book cases into the into corner room where the stairs are. Along the walls where the windows are. A few of those book cases are short enough to fit snuggly underneath. While the taller ones are going to spoil the what ever view I have of the next door neighbours & that side of my own yard and the back. Not that I make a big habit of just standing there & gawping. It's just nice to know I can do that. Right now, I have moved all the plastic furniture from this are. It's all going down stairs. I don't think I can get much for it if I try to sell these. There is a old radiator up against half-wall surrounding most of the stairwell. I very much doubt that it still works. I have no need for that & it will have to go as well. I'm thinking of putting the taller books shelves there. That's going to be much later. Right now, I have just thrown a mattress down on the tiles there. It's from one of the single beds kept in the enclosed veranda on the other side of the house. It's a bed with double mattress. So, the lower half of the bed with it's tiny legs is now in the larger bedroom that I don't use. There's enough room in there to have another single bed without spoiling the rooms thoroughfare to the siting room. These bedrooms, as they are, with living space on either side of them doorways at both ends ruins that much opportunity for privacy, but it's not such big deal if you living alone.

Continued Later...

QuoteIt's just I expected more young women walking to & from the university. They have some apartments across road & around the corner specifically made for them. I might be on the prowl once I get my shit together.

Is this supposed to be as creepy as it sounds?

Quote from: GordonR on 12 March, 2016, 08:59:41 AM

QuoteIt's just I expected more young women walking to & from the university. They have some apartments across road & around the corner specifically made for them. I might be on the prowl once I get my shit together.

Is this supposed to be as creepy as it sounds?

'Pictures a dark, grim scene as Mayor hobbles through the street in black trench coat, wide brim hat and gloves, looking for young maidens.'

Add some Goblin or Ennio Moricone and you got yourself a giallo!


But really Mayor, please don't go latching. Theirs nothing more off putting to fellow human beings.

Quote from: GordonR on 12 March, 2016, 08:59:41 AM

QuoteIt's just I expected more young women walking to & from the university. They have some apartments across road & around the corner specifically made for them. I might be on the prowl once I get my shit together.

Is this supposed to be as creepy as it sounds?

Out all I wrote up thee, that is all you got. Try to look for good as well as the bad. You might find it's balances out or there is no need for it. Yet, I guess, no news is good news. So, bad stuff is the only thing worth gabbing on about.

Otherwise, I mean , I doing what any young lonely guy wants to do upgrade their social status. Poor choice of words on my part writing what I have, I really didn't think you would pull that one out. Really, I'm just looking for fun.

Quote from: Hawkmumbler
'Pictures a dark, grim scene as Mayor hobbles through the street in black trench coat, wide brim hat and gloves, looking for young maidens.'

Add some Goblin or Ennio Moricone and you got yourself a giallo!

That's something I'm not familiar with, but I reading about it now on Wikipedia. Some of that is interesting.

Quote from: Hawkmumbler
But really Mayor, please don't go latching.

That's another one I haven't heard before.

Quote from: Hawkmumbler
Theirs nothing more off putting to fellow human beings.

I could say something smart here, but won't

Well if you DO want something positive I'd highly re come d the university route, Mayor. Higher education particularly in niche work like IT and computer programming is highly sought after. Do be sure to check where you stand on your current educational qualification. Do you have 3 A-Levels or equivalent? Best of luck chap.

It reads as creepy, but 'tis likely that 'going on the prowl' is no more than the mating cry of the lesser-punctuated Thryllseekyr.  Although as we are gentlemen of a not dissimilar vintage, I'd suggest that TS might have more luck hitting it off with mature students, rather than the 'young women' of a university dorm setup, who are likely to view even respectful romantic approaches from the older shaggier variety of squaxx with alarm rather than delight, contrary to the indications of the US Campus sex comedy back catalogue and all of pornography. 

Pursuing further education is a great way to meet new people, as well as stretching your brain in potentially profitable directions, and widening your social circle is the very best way to find someone you might start a relationship with. It's a positive idea all round, TS - go for it.

What's the intended effect of putting the word Asian in bold?

Quote from: glassstanley on 12 March, 2016, 12:58:19 PM
What's the intended effect of putting the word Asian in bold?

You must be new here.....I just tend to do that with Nouns, a lot.

Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 12 March, 2016, 05:42:37 PM

Quote from: glassstanley on 12 March, 2016, 12:58:19 PM
What's the intended effect of putting the word Asian in bold?

You must be new here.....I just tend to do that with Nouns, a lot.

I have to say, I'm quite enjoying this sassy new attitude you're wearing today.

Hey TS - stay sassy!

I can't wait to see where this thread goes :D

Just quick question about canned goods. Since, I moved in I have been avidly trying my best to pay off my computer. It started just over 4000 dollars AUD & I have been paying off that since the end of 2013. This last fortnight, I've had to pay for all those book cases, two couches, a table, television & console stand/storage cabinet, a desk, and a wooden/glass windowed cabinet. (I busted one of it's windowed doors after getting it upstairs myself!) to be moved over to this house.

This cost me about 220 dollars AUD which I'm not happy about since my father told me that kind of fucked (I think they did this literally!) around inside the back of their own truck adding more dollars to what I needed to give them after the job was done. This was when they were still picking up at the other end while I wasn't there. Hoping that a hours job would only cost me about 170 dollars AUD. Not that they really seemed that slow, it just amounted to more than a hours work. What's
s worse, is that got me to sign my name on their computer tablets, that I was satisfied with the job & the amount they were asking for it. In retrospect, may be agreeing to sign those tablets was a mistake on my a part. I didn't really sign my name, I just scribbled, but that's all they need. As long as I wrote that scribble, they think it's my signature.

It's almost a crying shame when I had gotten quotes for a hours work from other removalist companies for almost half that amount that was advertised. But no, my father said this company was recommended by the next door neighbours daughter who I never really knew or really liked and she wasn't really living next door to us at the time. I'm not sure if that was a favour from her or maybe she had a scam going. Something going on with that company or those boys who moved the stuff for me. Naturally, they were big boys, possibly related to each to other & lovers. Yet, my stuff arrived fully intact.

This had left me out of pocket since last weekend & without food since the mid-week passed me by. As I mistakenly froze the steaks I had brought & was forced to cook & eat them all at once and the last of chicken noodles had run out. I on the left over Coco-Pops sans milk, that had acquired at the flavour of a screwed up ball of cardboard with a hint of chocolate after I had taken them out of the box ( I brought those from the store across the road after on my first grocery shopping excursion since I had got paid that fortnight!) & left them in their waterproof paper bag in the fridge. Eating hand fulls of those. Until, I found a old box of crackers which I had with some of the butter I still had in the fridge & aside from giving me the brown squirts. They were okay. They gave me another days worth of eating. While I found a medium sized Tupperware tub of those cream biscuits (Two slabs of shortbread with vanilla creamy filling!) They were what I expected, but a little odd, & thought they were easier to eat after I put them in the fridge for a while. They weren't soft or stale, just some thing I don't normally eat. Remarkably well preserved in that little tub.

Today, I found three jars of sliced apricot (Yuck!!), three really small tins of sliced pineapple, (I might
have that later if it's all good!), a tin of Gravy or Gravox, (I think you need to add water!), A box of corn-flour (Which could possibly be made into  Damper (http://www.bestrecipes.com.au/recipe/the-perfect-damper-L18627.html)) .......

Before I divulge the entire contents of my late grand-folks pantry,....(I'm just too excited about the prospect of hot buttered Damper or Tortillas (As the case may be!)

I just had a tin large tin of red salmon (While finding another two or three smaller tins of the same!) and fried them on the stove. I literally drowned them in cooking oil. So, they were kind of crispy & there was this tin of Cream of Mushroom which looked like short tube of grey yuck ( Your know the fresh grey zombie flesh that a Walker has after they have their first rising. Minus the wounds & maggots/flesh worms & bugs!) when I poured it out on another frying pan. After spraying that one with Canola, but just a bit and it didn't get any better looking as it warmed up. So I threw that out without even tasting it. 

You know how they were always eating canned goods in The walking Dead because they were a sure bet, even after along time & the same in computer games based on that idea. 

Continued Later...

If it's in a tin can, it's safe to eat.

Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 12 March, 2016, 05:42:37 PM

Quote from: glassstanley on 12 March, 2016, 12:58:19 PM
What's the intended effect of putting the word Asian in bold?

You must be new here.....I just tend to do that with Nouns, a lot.

Er, isn't that an adjective? 😉

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 13 March, 2016, 11:16:12 AM

Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 12 March, 2016, 05:42:37 PM

Quote from: glassstanley on 12 March, 2016, 12:58:19 PM
What's the intended effect of putting the word Asian in bold?

You must be new here.....I just tend to do that with Nouns, a lot.

Er, isn't that an adjective? 😉

Nope. It's a proper noun. It could be used as an adjective in a different sentence.  ;)

It's a terrible noun, I might add. "Asian" is not a race, needless to say.

'Some Asian family'... Definitely an adjective in that context. I taught English to foreigners for ten years; I know my shit 😊

Nope. Still a proper noun. Just being used as an adjective in that sentence; more accurately, it's actually a noun phrase. I also know my shit but let's not turn this in to a pissing contest, eh?

I used that word thinking of it as a people!

I don't care if that's not right according to what experts say.......BTW, my father was English teacher as well, but we don't talk much or about that these days.

I think I got a sound achievement for that subject in school.

The pantry listing will have to wait. I need a notepad for that!

Quote from: hippynumber1 on 13 March, 2016, 11:29:37 AM
Nope. Still a proper noun. Just being used as an adjective in that sentence; more accurately, it's actually a noun phrase. I also know my shit but let's not turn this in to a pissing contest, eh?

Fair enough; nothing worse than a grammar fight.

Noun-Jective????

Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 13 March, 2016, 01:06:09 PM
Noun-Jective????

See, sassy!  :lol:

You know, I think my father must have started reading me here, because I rang to tell him... I was going to walk back to his house tonight. So, I could grab my Gandalf staff's. Grey & White & bring them over here. They were left behind, because dad had me under the impression that they would never fit in the car and thank goodness (or evilness!) or the Danu he didn't hand them to the Tweedle Dum/Dee twins when I had all that other stuff shifted. They move shoved goddess knows where?

Still, when my father handed me the White-Staff one entire side of the bulb had been knocked out & he also handed me the broken pieces in a small plastic bag. Along with the better, but older staff. The White-Scabbard & the composite wooden staff I made from the legs of some table.

Now White-Staff was only 90 dollars AUD, while the brown imitation wooden one is a couple of hundred more. The former was made from plastic that might have shattered if I ever tried to hit anything or one with it. The other might break as well. Yet, it's definitely made of some study resin that is just like it was carved some wooden tree branch. Possibly a Elm tree.

So, I wasn't that sad about it's recent downgrade.

Maybe my father blew his top over my confusing a the meaning of Noun with a Adjective and just let it out while he had the thing in his hand. Things might have got heated if I saw him do this, but not in a physical way.

Damn, It's so hot, I starting to sweat, so, I forgot the rest of my planned commentary for this one.

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Bette to call them Asian instead of offending them by calling them Vietnamese if they were actually Laotian for example?

It's still not a great way to go about it, far too general a term, especially with the stigma attached to "Asian" refugee's coming into eastern Europe right now.

More in regards to Mayors use of the term, it's just incredibly moot. So what does it matter about their ethnicity, why is THAT a noteworthy feature?

To be fair, it didn't occur to me that it was in any way noteworthy until everybody else started going on about it.

He could just as easily have described them as being from Brisbane or owning a budgie, which is just as un-noteworthy, but the type of pointless detail people generally add to everyday conversation for no other reason than it better enables you to form a picture in your head, in the way that any anecdote or story does.

I don't know the people who are supposed to be buying this house or considering to buy it. I was told that some family from that part of the world and who are living here  were doing that. The word Asian was thrown in to make any word to make any word describing locals from town or the city & their suburbs less appropriate. As words to describe people from in or out of state.

I'm not trying to be racist on purpose & don't even understand the slur, I made. It's just a word to describe a particular ethnicity. It bothers me that people are so sensitive about those words, when they aren't even slang. What really bothers me is that Transsexuals are slurred by the use of words like Tranny & She-Male, while the latter are just innocent words combined. They be on it about former word be more of slang term. Yet, still quite innocent.  So, when in polite conversation with one of those people, I try to avoid the slur. However dumb I think that is. You'd think that once a certain minority have been allowed rights, that they may be more lenient themselves towards the uninformed & people like me who don't like having their grasp of the English language made out to be impolite to their sensitivities. When all I really wanted to do was simply address them by their condition. 

Even saying that now. I guess that could be offensive, to address people by their sexuality. Even to complain about might be a slur to them. The are that sensitive about it. Yet the words She & Male alone bear no personal offense to me in what I know of our language. It's not like I used any of the definitely offensive four letter word to bluntly insult them. Anytime they silence or ban or just caution me (I frequent the adult chat-room Chaturbate quite a lot & to mainly just talk to female & those who were once male (It's a slur if you say that as well, I think!)) for use of the word She-Male raises my hackles as I just think they have set another standard that isn't even a legitimate one & they may know (Snickering behind their hands about it!) that they have just redefined the use of the language in way that makes talking to them more awkward. If they didn't fly into a hissy-fit over this or over a lot of things. I think they may find acceptance over that life choice easier & as their minority or majority already have.

Where was I....pay day today :)

I hope this conversation isn't read to be offensive, because I chose to discuss language using those people (Man, I feel like I'm walking through a mine field here, & especially with them!) a topic & excuse to make this part of the forum more adult. I've been itching to air my grievances about that without offending anybody.

I just wish people would get over it and move on & not be slighted at all & then this politeness is seen as offensive in itself, because people then believe that you think your better than everybody else. In the end, you might as well call people names of the four letter variety to prove how human I really am.

Bro if a transgender (not transexual, BTW, that's something else entirely) tell's you a slur is offensive you bloody listen to them and respect their wishes. A trangendered person should be referred their preferred pronouns, not whatever Daily Mail transphobic hog wash you deam to be acceptable.

"She-male" is far from innocent, and it's fucking disgusting.

This is now outwith my area of knowledge.

(Backs slowly away from thread...)

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 13 March, 2016, 10:09:09 PM
Bro if a transgender (not transexual, BTW, that's something else entirely) tell's you a slur is offensive you bloody listen to them and respect their wishes. A trangendered person should be referred their preferred pronouns, not whatever Daily Mail transphobic hog wash you deam to be acceptable.

"She-male" is far from innocent, and it's fucking disgusting.

I use that word Transexual because they find it the least offensive even if it's wrong, like you say and about the rest you comments. That's what get my goat , but we are on opposite side about that. I'm annoyed that they'd like to have me tip toeing around when ever they are around. While other minorities have bigger fish to fry. It's kind of petty to be upset about merely simple words that describe gender. Unless that is offensive in itself. If it is? My bad then....

Yet, I've been told by them, that because the word is associated with Pornography, they find it's offensive, because they don't want to be associated with Porn either and here they are sitting before me with their naked butt pushed up against their camera lens anally winking at me. That chat room is a Porn website, by the nature of it's what happens on the chat rooms. I see a lot of stuff there, (That I once found arousing, but now barely raise eyebrow at!) including full penetrative sex, no significant orifice is neglected here. All is exploited. It's only the really messy bodily functions that are considered taboo there. It feels dumb to agree with them there.

They should wake up to wake up to themselves & look down. This is really Porn.

Then there was the occasion when I tried to compliment one of them by saying they look way better than most real girls I have seen. I got cautioned on that one as well. Because they were slighted by the
implication that I said they aren't a real girl & it was there I learnt about the term G-Girl. A Girl who's born into her own gender.

Apologies, if you think I'm trolling, by airing my grievances, but the sooner they realise they're
just playing god with words, over words & let people relax their use of words they think are normal through their everyday use are okay, the better. If they are gonna cry over a word like the ones I shared above, they deserve to loss social status & any other ground their majority has gained. (Using the word, because I think there are a lot of them!)

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 13 March, 2016, 07:41:20 PM
It's still not a great way to go about it, far too general a term,

So how should we refer to people then? Or is people also an offensive term because it's too general?

Hmmm, the world of sexual and gender (and ethnic, and racial) identity is also way out of my limited white straight middle-class depth, but it seems like a basic courtesy to listen to people and see how they prefer to be identified, rather than despairing at their complexity.  Not annoying or upsetting people, even unintentionally, would appear to be a reasonable way to live - although of course sometimes both are necessary or unavoidable.  I try not to fart (excessively) on a packed train, or watch porn at full volume in the library, for example, even though both inconvenience me.  But sometimes the headphones just aren't working.

Transgenderd people aren't a new thing, Mayor, nor are they "playing god with words". You've been told several times something you said is derogetory and by the sounds of it spat your dummy out because you can't have your way.

Quote from: Mister Pops on 14 March, 2016, 12:12:47 AM

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 13 March, 2016, 07:41:20 PM
It's still not a great way to go about it, far too general a term,

So how should we refer to people then? Or is people also an offensive term because it's too general?

My primary problem with the way people use the term 'Asian' is because, in the north west at least please do forgive me if it's different elsewhere, when a white person refers to someone as asian they actually mesn they are Muslim which is two entirely different things.

Really?  I'd have thought the word is more commonly used for people with Far East origins; such as Chinese, Japanese or Korean people.  I'd never have considered it to be racist, but then I'm a bit out of touch.

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 14 March, 2016, 07:20:39 AM
when a white person refers to someone as asian they actually mesn they are Muslim which is two entirely different things.

Your assumption of ignorance is actually pretty insulting in itself. I've primarily used it as a generic term for people from the Indian sub-continent, the majority of whom are not muslims, and secondarily for people from the far East, as JBC describes. (I acknowledge the second usage is the primary one in places like the US.)

I've never used the word in the way you describe, and I've never met anyone who does. My anecdotal experience ≠ data, but neither does yours.

Jim

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 14 March, 2016, 07:57:15 AM

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 14 March, 2016, 07:20:39 AM
when a white person refers to someone as asian they actually mesn they are Muslim which is two entirely different things.

Your assumption of ignorance is actually pretty insulting in itself. I've primarily used it as a generic term for people from the Indian sub-continent, the majority of whom are not muslims, and secondarily for people from the far East, as JBC describes. (I acknowledge the second usage is the primary one in places like the US.)

I've never used the word in the way you describe, and I've never met anyone who does. My anecdotal experience ≠ data, but neither does yours.

Jim

Thats kind of why I specified my experiences in the North West, ie. where i've lived all my life. Particularly in Manchester Asian is applied as slang for Muslims (and by extension Hindu and Sikh people because a lot of dolts can't tell the difference). Jut my experiences of course, and positive it's not going to hold up anywhere else in the country, and i'm sure not everyone uses "Asian" in this way, but it's startlingly common.

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 14 March, 2016, 08:07:30 AM
Jut my experiences of course, and positive it's not going to hold up anywhere else in the country, and i'm sure not everyone uses "Asian" in this way, but it's startlingly common.

Well, you probably shouldn't project your specific experience outwards as a generalised problem with the word, rather than a problem with people you personally meet.

Jim

I wasn't though. Thats why from the get go I made sure I was only conveying my personal experience that that it probably wouldn't match up with anyone elses.

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 14 March, 2016, 08:20:19 AM
I wasn't though. Thats why from the get go I made sure I was only conveying my personal experience that that it probably wouldn't match up with anyone elses.

I'm sorry, but you did. In this post (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=43128.msg910104#msg910104) you are very clearly cautioning against the general use of the word, based on a context that's specific to you, and not applicable in these circumstances. You may not have intended to do that, but that's very clearly the effect and explains the slightly bemused responses you garnered.

Jim

Quote from: Mister Pops on 14 March, 2016, 12:12:47 AM

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 13 March, 2016, 07:41:20 PM
It's still not a great way to go about it, far too general a term,

So how should we refer to people then? Or is people also an offensive term because it's too general?

Well, I call a few.... People, & more....Peoples.

BTW, I went out shopping today, being the day I got paid and then saw the film Cloverfield Lane (Would I be forgiven for thinking it's the sequel to Cloverfield?) great film, & the ending almost made sense expect for somebodies improbable luck!

Then as I was waiting to catch a bus, a cute blonde haired girl (Of hard to tell age, but quite possibly what a lot of folk would say is too young for me or too experienced or both! She probably noticed I was sneaking peaks at her for want of anyone else to provide me better with visual stimuli. While waiting longer than I thought I needed & she was first to ask -words to the effect-. Where I needed to go? & naturally was happy to answer without being creepy, yet (Isn't it creepy when I'm or you are polite & friendly, but there is also something underneath all that!) that my only demeanor (I learnt about outward & inward personalities while reading through the rule book for Vampire the Masquerade & Werewolf the Apocalypse) something also polite & friendly, but given to more animal needs & sometimes perverted. (I bet everybody's like that though!)  This always bothers me that like that, but I always take awhile to warm up to strangers.

The conversation lapsed back into silence, until I continued with stuff (I don't remember now....) related to her first question & then silence again as I felt the invisable chains of long years of disuse pull tighter across like I was shackled to a invisable wall restricting my capacity for reaching out, what pass's for pass's for being cool, & myself at the same time.....

The waiting for bus, while having not much cleverness to share with the young lady standing was getting to me prematurely and let her know that -words to the effect- Bags of stuff that needed refrigeration even when the freezer bag I had bothered to take with me might have helping me out there. I as I put he milk & all the meat I brought into that bag. The other stuff that has a shelf life at least longer than a day in the plastic shopping bag. 

Then I decided to regale her with some of my back ground saying stuff like -words to the effect- I have a car, but no keys & no licence. which was true as continued with....-words to the effect- I had just moved in to my old folks house after they died a few year earlier & unoccupied for some years. Despite being fully furnished and car in the garage. The keys are being held by my brother. I was wondering If could seel the thing legally or even illegally to second hand car dealer, along with all the antique furniture & & both beds or arrange to get keys made for that car. Like do actually need registration papers to do this....as this was going through my mind as I was looking the girl up down which was easy to do behind the golden shades I was wearing at he time. She had thick blonde hair down to shoulders, her body was shapely enough, but very petite & her ass couldn't be seen for her legs. Which might have been forever if not for the fact she was only more than half over three quarters of my own height. She wore a tight white thing that was more around her middle than her shoulders & tight blue shorts that were cut really, really high on her hips. Who knows what she had on feet, I didn't care. Her face gave me a vague sense of the familiar, but that identity wasn't yet readily apparent to me yet.

My tale was cut short by the arrival of a bus I thought was mine, but wasn't. By the time I had run back to her, she started to leave. I wasn't bother by this, or at least I didn't show that I was as I thought it was she had probably checked me out as well, & noticed that my master was still fast asleep & I really just wanted to get my food in the fridge. I just noticed the sexual connation there. Is that how it really is. Are women really that cold, is my wedding tackle really just food?

Either way, she was really walking away to hop on her own bus which had just arrived & I eventually followed only to find out it wouldn't take me where I wanted to go either. Was the bus her really.....Deus-Ex-Machina or should have just asked her to go out for a drink or meal with me or back to my place (A bad idea right now ACTUALLY!) or hers. (Maybe a bad idea as well!)

My bus arrived not long afterwards as I regret my lack of tact with the girl, but I might as well have been dead for the last ten years. It certainly feels like I did. Did I imagine the police following my bus as it made for the road I now lived on or they just seem to be all, over this road nearly all hours of the day & night. It wasn't until I got back home that I realised that girl bore a strong resemblance to a twenty something Sarah Michelle Gellar with a touch of Martin Short (If he was a girl!).

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Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 14 March, 2016, 08:48:36 AM

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 14 March, 2016, 08:20:19 AM
I wasn't though. Thats why from the get go I made sure I was only conveying my personal experience that that it probably wouldn't match up with anyone elses.

I'm sorry, but you did. In this post (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=43128.msg910104#msg910104) you are very clearly cautioning against the general use of the word, based on a context that's specific to you, and not applicable in these circumstances. You may not have intended to do that, but that's very clearly the effect and explains the slightly bemused responses you garnered.

Jim

Oh, yeah your right. Sorry, wasn't my intended objective and poorly worded on my part. Still, we should probably drop it as I've come to the conclusion we agree (kind of) and I don't want to derail this anymore than the train wreck it already is!

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 14 March, 2016, 09:57:41 AM.... I don't want to derail this anymore than the train wreck it already is!

Can it be said to be  a train wreck if the rolling stock never even made it to the tracks...?

What a  lovely story of mild casual harassment that was, TS. Given you only saw the girl as a sexual object as you describe her here, and you have no ability to project what might be happening in other peoples' minds, I wonder if she really felt you were just being  as 'polite' and 'friendly' as you think.

As for the transsexuals thing, if people repeatedly tell you that they're offended by a term you use for them, maybe you should stop using it. It's not for you to decide that it's not that offensive, and then only make things worse by deciding the fault must lie with them, not you.

Quote from: Tordelback on 14 March, 2016, 10:13:41 AM

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 14 March, 2016, 09:57:41 AM.... I don't want to derail this anymore than the train wreck it already is!

Can it be said to be  a train wreck if the rolling stock never even made it to the tracks...?

If the Mad Max thread was anything to go by (and I missed THAT particular soap drama) this is a politeexchange!

Quote from: GordonR on 14 March, 2016, 10:26:50 AM
What a  lovely story of mild casual harassment that was, TS. Given you only saw the girl as a sexual object as you describe her here, and you have no ability to project what might be happening in other peoples' minds, I wonder if she really felt you were just being  as 'polite' and 'friendly' as you think.

As for the transsexuals thing, if people repeatedly tell you that they're offended by a term you use for them, maybe you should stop using it. It's not for you to decide that it's not that offensive, and then only make things worse by deciding the fault must lie with them, not you.

Well, trying to imagine why she started talking and then thinking I don't usually attract this type of attention from a girl, and thinking her motivation might not be her own. Maybe she was put up to it.....have you heard the expression - Jail-bait.

She was young looking, I doubt she was still in her teens. Maybe anywhere from 20 - 25 years old. Which is technically not wrong for me to pursue, as I was. Maybe it just doesn't look right to people. Anywhere all the stuff that you perceive as dirty never happened, it's all in our minds. That was just retrospective.

This is something I should be doing, went any of you young ever young. Don't any of wish I spent less time here to pursue more young women.

Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 13 March, 2016, 11:11:55 PM
Apologies, if you think I'm trolling, by airing my grievances, but the sooner they realise they're
just playing god with words, over words & let people relax their use of words they think are normal through their everyday use are okay, the better. If they are gonna cry over a word like the ones I shared above, they deserve to loss social status & any other ground their majority has gained. (Using the word, because I think there are a lot of them!)

People who transition go through a lot of discrimination, just one type of which is the type of language you've used there.  One friend of mine 'cried over words' like that, and lost much more than social status.  RIP Zoe.

Please stop digging.

Quote from: sheridan on 14 March, 2016, 01:06:18 PM

Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 13 March, 2016, 11:11:55 PM
Apologies, if you think I'm trolling, by airing my grievances, but the sooner they realise they're
just playing god with words, over words & let people relax their use of words they think are normal through their everyday use are okay, the better. If they are gonna cry over a word like the ones I shared above, they deserve to loss social status & any other ground their majority has gained. (Using the word, because I think there are a lot of them!)

People who transition go through a lot of discrimination, just one type of which is the type of language you've used there.  One friend of mine 'cried over words' like that, and lost much more than social status.  RIP Zoe.

My condolences about your friend whomever they may be, but I don't call them names intentionally or out of spite, but I just think being made to feel small when I have to tip-around these people whom, I feel are playing with words. Now after some more thought. I guess even the word She may be have it's own history of being improper since my mother always use to reply to me when I used it (When talking of girl or lady!) with She's the Cat's Mother....

I only just remembered that this afternoon.

I guess, that gives any word derived from that one a little less respect. Otherwise, all this offence taken from it is bit silly especially when disrespect is unintended.

"When no disrespect is intended"

You seriously have no idea what LGBT+ and ethnic minorities have had to go through these last 40-nay-since freaking Roman times, do you Mayor?

Quote from: Old Tankie on 14 March, 2016, 01:08:32 PM
Please stop digging.

Highly unlikely. One must be aware of the shovel first.

QuoteOtherwise, all this offence taken from it is bit silly especially when disrespect is unintended

And there you go again. It doesn't matter if no disrespect is intended. Disrespect and offence are being caused. The people you've offended keep on telling you they're offended by your choice of language, but you think it doesn't matter because you don't mean to be offensive.

Not so long ago, I think you got (yet another) warning here, this time for use of racist language - the word 'wog'. At the time, you said it was okay for you to use that word because you "we're not using it hatefully". 

But you were still using it to describe the ethnicity of the person you were talking about. Do you really not understand that you can't get away with using the kind of words you seem to enjoy using just by claiming that you're not using them negatively, when they're completely negative/demeaning words to start with?

Not sure how he used it before Gordon, but to be fair, it does have a significantly different meaning in Oz.  When I first heard it used, I thought, 'Oh, now you can't say that!!', and asked my Australian friends why no-one had seemed to bother about it.  Seems it's a colloquial term for 'Mediterraneans' rather than blacks, and it is used by many Mediterraneans (Greek, Italian, Spanish, etc) themselves as a term much like you or I would refer to ourselves as 'Scots'.  That said....I guess when in international environments like the interwebz, one must be a little more careful with the choice of words one uses, and just how much of ones internal monologue should be shared.  I'd say 'less' would be a good thing on occasion. ;)

While in no way disagreeing with the sentiments expressed here, I think we could take note of the fact that TS has issues of his own (like many - all?- here) and perhaps temper our own reactions accordingly.  I do think Ghost McRoth makes an important point about the problems of sharing an internal monologue, which is definitely what we're reading here.

We're all learning about this world daily, and part of that is understanding how to interact respectfully with our fellows. But it's not always an easy series of adjustments to make.  I look at things I thought, said and did 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 5 years ago, yesterday, and am horrified.  I'd hope I'm a better person now, but I'd be willing to bet that should I live another decade or two, the hard-won attitudes thst today's me holds and expresses will disgust me just as much. 

So by all means continue to comment, criticise and try to instruct, but don't be too hard on those of us that fall short. As long as we're trying to improve.

I agree Tordels, however I would have hoped that a chap of Mayors....as you said, vintage, would have at least been aware of the plight Transgender folk suffer in a daily basis and could really do without this kind of BS.

Theirs a reason the term "Cishit" has come into favour amongst LGBT+ individuals and Mayor is kind is displaying right now why I like to bat the phrase about.

What a thread....

I liked it better when I was a just a "breeder". Cishet is my new word for today so at least I got something out this.

Quote from: Satanist on 14 March, 2016, 04:35:41 PM
I liked it better when I was a just a "breeder". Cishet is my new word for today so at least I got something out this.

TBH, Satanist, it only really applies to cis folk who believe "She-Male" is not discriminatory. Or take pleasure in being transphobic nob heads.

Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 14 March, 2016, 03:38:36 PM
Theirs a reason the term "Cishit" has come into favour amongst LGBT+ individuals and Mayor is kind is displaying right now why I like to bat the phrase about.

Great phrase it is too! I think awareness is the thing here. If you're mainly aware of a 'group' through the objectifying lens of porn, where difference from the 'norm' (in the sense of the modal experience) is presented as a menu for the consumer to inspect, exploit and dismiss, it's hard to form a rounded theory-of-mind about individuals who appear to identify with such a group. From the evidence in this thread, we can see 'young women' suffer a similar reduction of this type as transgendered folk.  Why would an item on the menu object to being described in a particular way, as long as it made it clear to the diner whether it was to their taste or not? After all, in porn women encountered at busstops can generally be relied upon to go for a quick tumble, and if not, why not?

It sounds obvious that 'other people are people too', and thus just as complex and sensitive and wilfull as one's self  but it often isn't, and having lived for a decent while is no guarantee of acquiring this awareness. 

Bah, I meant to conclude: learning about and working out all this stuff is work - you have to put the effort in, it shouldn't be relied upon to come naturally or flawlessly. But making that effort, forcing yourself to try to be aware of the thoughts of those around you is one of the largest part of being a decent human being. But you also have to be aware of that first.

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Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 14 March, 2016, 04:46:29 PM

Quote from: Satanist on 14 March, 2016, 04:35:41 PM
I liked it better when I was a just a "breeder". Cishet is my new word for today so at least I got something out this.

TBH, Satanist, it only really applies to cis folk who believe "She-Male" is not discriminatory. Or take pleasure in being transphobic nob heads.

As I only learned the word an hour ago and had to google l thought cishit is a dickhead and cishet is me (as in straight who identifies with the sex
I was born into) or are both insult? Genuine question btw

Cishit is really just used as an in joke amongst LGBT+ web based social media. A meme of sorts, but can be used to describe certain "cisgender" individuals with strong homophobic, transphobic and biphobic tendencies. Donald Trump, for example. Or Vlad "The Impaler" Putin.

I also had to look it up, and it appears (I am prepared to stand corrected) to be the latter.  Odd, considering the tolerance sought apparently doesn't extend to anyone who doesn't share this same view....who then get lumped under a generic term and classification.  But as I say, I am prepared to be informed more on this...as an hour or so of knowledge is unlikely to cover the whole thing eh? ;)

Just a thought; Whilst he doesn't do himself much favours at times, I wonder if Thyrllseekyr is being bullied on this, and other threads?

Mmmmm....

Saying dumb shit and being called on it??  I'd say it's more an attempt at education than bullying.

An education, then. With some relish thrown in.

That I cannot disagree with. 

Quote from: Ghost MacRoth on 14 March, 2016, 07:09:22 PM
Saying dumb shit and being called on it??  I'd say it's more an attempt at education than bullying.

Well, I don't feel educated, but I remind you I have caved in to their (& your) pressure & haven't been using those Bad words around them. However dumb it sounds to tip toe like this for those reasons.

I've ben cautioned/banned from Chat rooms up to month for this. It still makes me angry that such a small slight getting that much recognition. It's like they have to have a abnormal amount of respect for their life choices and other people don't bother with this.

It could be up to the individual. Surely some of them have more tolerance. Surely, I've been singled out by them (& you's) because they know I should know better & that I'm not prone to saying dumb shit. Like you say.

If we're going be sensitive about all this, then that was harsh thing to say about me and this is all just pissing in the wind. It doesn't mean much when put in perspective. I only wanted to air this as my grievance figuring I might get some moral support, but it's the same bloody shit here.

Like I said, I don't continue to abuse they're mal-adjusted contribution to Grammar. Yet it's still wrong in books.   

TS, if you could prevent someone becoming hurt or upset by moderating your language, why wouldn't you do it?  You don't even really need to understand why people take offence, just accept that they do, that it's real for them.  It's a tiny thing. You obviously don't like feeling picked-on over this (and I don't blame you for that), well that's not very far from the same thing. Nobody likes feeling picked-on, and when you're in a minority struggling for acceptance it's worse.

Often it is necessary or unavoiable to offend or upset people, when you're challenging views or behaviours, for example. There is no right to freedom from offense.  But to do it just because you don't see why you should stop is just unpleasant.

It's times like this where i'm grateful for two things. Black coffee. And the fact i'm on a forum where someone like Tordels can vent my exact stance in a far less rude and self rightous manner than myself.

Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 15 March, 2016, 12:34:03 AM
I only wanted to air this as my grievance figuring I might get some moral support, but it's the same bloody shit here.

Translation: "Everyone is wrong except me."

You realise there's another explanation for the you/everyone else split, right?

Jim

I think it might be an idea to bring this thread to a close. Please do not restart the same discussion elsewhere on the board, thanks.