After the Rogue One and Han Solo problems, Director Colin Trevorrow leaves Ep IX
http://www.starwars.com/news/a-statement-regarding-star-wars-episode-ix (http://www.starwars.com/news/a-statement-regarding-star-wars-episode-ix)
Another Hollywood type that thinks he's too good for fanfiction.
These narrow-minded directors just don't understand Disney's uncompromising cutting-edge vision for the future of the Star Wars saga. It can't be easy trying to shoehorn a new and original film into the exact same plot, locations and designs as (let's face it now) Return of the Jedi, but dammit Colin should have tried harder: he managed to pull off the very same trick in Jurassic World.
(Oh good Grud, now I have to live with always thinking of Snoke as Indominus Palapatine).
Quote from: Professor Bear on 06 September, 2017, 12:12:32 AM
Another Hollywood type that thinks he's too good for fanfiction.
Is he? Have you not seen Jurassic World? That is fan fiction!
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 September, 2017, 01:36:20 AM
These narrow-minded directors just don't understand Disney's uncompromising cutting-edge vision for the future of the Star Wars saga. It can't be easy trying to shoehorn a new and original film into the exact same plot, locations and designs as (let's face it now) Return of the Jedi, but dammit Colin should have tried harder: he managed to pull off the very same trick in Jurassic World.
(Oh good Grud, now I have to live with always thinking of Snoke as Indominus Palapatine).
Did he? Jurassic World was terrible. Not sure how that film was in any new & original.
Well right as I find JW is bit soulless film to watch.
These Movies are expensive investments so the Director must adhere strictly to whatever script the committee that financed the film gives him/her. I think Jose Padilha, the Brazilian Director of the 2014 RoboCop found not a single suggestion he made was acted upon and he had to direct whatever the Producers told him to. He was just a hired hand with zero creative freedom and spent most of his time fighting with the Studio to little or no avail. Shit sells if you sugar it sweet enough so don't expect anything too magnificent from any franchise you cared about because the blander and more tasteless it is the happier the bean counters are. They make Movies, sorry franchises, now not Directors.
Studio execs shouldn't interfere with the magical alchemy of film creation because they don't know anything about movies, and directors should have free reign so that we can have more great films like Prometheus and Fantastic Four.
I had no idea the director of Jurassic World was supposed to be making Episode 9. This is...good news then? That was an incredibly bland and forgettable film.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 06 September, 2017, 10:52:41 AMThese Movies are expensive investments so the Director must adhere strictly to whatever script the committee that financed the film gives him/her.
Not in his own case, according to
Rian Johnson – "I had as much creative control on TLJ as I've ever had on any of my own movies." (https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/877524716260540416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Frianjohnson%2Fstatus%2F877524716260540416)
Johnson was surprised with how much freedom he was given with the story, saying that the only thing he was told he had to go off of was The Force Awakens. This left him with a lot of places to go, but luckily, he came up with a pretty easy (and grim) idea for where to begin. "I started by writing the names of each of the characters and thinking, 'what's the hardest thing they could be faced with?'" Johnson said. (http://www.looper.com/66766/rian-johnson-last-jedi-writing-spoilers/)James Gunn also seems to have had a free reign on his Marvel films so I think this is not a universal experience.
I think it was case of they find out the directors wasn't really good directors.
Ant-Man was good example.
Uh-huh.
Baby Driver has made nearly $200m on a $34m budget. That's not bad going for a non-franchise, non-sequel film for a 'wasn't really good director'
Sorry I didnt means my two posts are linked, I was reply to Joe Soap, forgot to include his post!
I love Edgar Wright, one of finest directors! Wish knew why he was off Ant-Man. I notice many of his humour trademarks was in Ant-Man.
Cool.
He explains it a little here.
http://nerdist.com/edgar-wright-reveals-why-he-left-ant-man/ (http://nerdist.com/edgar-wright-reveals-why-he-left-ant-man/)
It sounds similar to the reasons that Miller/Lord left Han Solo - just didn't fit with the rest of the franchise I guess?
Quote from: Steve Green on 06 September, 2017, 03:30:06 PM
Cool.
He explains it a little here.
http://nerdist.com/edgar-wright-reveals-why-he-left-ant-man/ (http://nerdist.com/edgar-wright-reveals-why-he-left-ant-man/)
It sounds similar to the reasons that Miller/Lord left Han Solo - just didn't fit with the rest of the franchise I guess?
Ahh cheers for the link as been wonder about it for ages, can understand it. Would be interesting to see the Ant-Man sequel is bit different?
Marvel get some real stick for 'promoting the next movie in the last one' and 'building a universe' at the expense of the individual story.
I would have preferred Ant-Man without the Falcon appearance, but that really paid off in Civil War.
I thought the Black Widow was forced in Iron Man 2, but that meant Avengers could start with her tied to a chair.
Weird Thor scene in Age of Ultron, jury is still out - that's going to need some pay-off in Ragnarok as it was awful and Loki-lite
I dont really care for what DC are doing (WW aside which was a B+ at best). Or 20th Century Fox with the X-Men. But Marvel are on fire.
Yeah I can see why - doesn't particularly bother me any more, I've not watched any of the Netflix Marvel stuff past DD S2 and little of Agents of Shield - just don't have the time.
I enjoyed Logan a lot more because it was its own thing, I've still not seen AoU.
Quote from: matty_ae on 06 September, 2017, 03:50:57 PM
Marvel get some real stick for 'promoting the next movie in the last one' and 'building a universe' at the expense of the individual story.
I would have preferred Ant-Man without the Falcon appearance,
The Falcon's appearance hardly detracted from the film or its story; it's a plot tie-in and a decent action gag.
I'm not so certain it was Marvel's desire for some connectivity was that much of an issue for Wright but the idea of someone else re-writing the script.
Quote from: JLC on 06 September, 2017, 09:58:40 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 September, 2017, 01:36:20 AM
These narrow-minded directors just don't understand Disney's uncompromising cutting-edge vision for the future of the Star Wars saga. It can't be easy trying to shoehorn a new and original film into the exact same plot, locations and designs as (let's face it now) Return of the Jedi, but dammit Colin should have tried harder: he managed to pull off the very same trick in Jurassic World.
(Oh good Grud, now I have to live with always thinking of Snoke as Indominus Palapatine).
Did he? Jurassic World was terrible. Not sure how that film was in any new & original.
I may, just perhaps, have been attempting sarcasm. The clue was the phrase "Disney's uncompromising cutting-edge vision", and pretty much everything else.
Although I do struggle with the idea that
Jurassic World was terrible - unoriginal and very silly, but perfectly serviceable entertainment for a third sequel to an overrated original.
Colin Trevarrow did Jurassic World (which although it wasn't shit, it wasn't very good either), and half a dozen other films I've never heard of. Not exactly the most obvious choice to direct an eagerly-awaited Star Wars film. I think this is good news, as long as his replacement isn't an equally questionable choice.
Maybe it linked to his reaction on his latest film reviews?
If should kept quiet, could be in the job for Star Wars?
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/exclusive-colin-trevorrow-heartbreaking-negative-reaction-book-henry/ (http://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/exclusive-colin-trevorrow-heartbreaking-negative-reaction-book-henry/)
Quote from: Richard on 06 September, 2017, 06:55:22 PM
Colin Trevarrow did Jurassic World (which although it wasn't shit, it wasn't very good either), and half a dozen other films I've never heard of. Not exactly the most obvious choice to direct an eagerly-awaited Star Wars film. I think this is good news, as long as his replacement isn't an equally questionable choice.
I don't really understand Treverrow's meteoric rise either, and I thought he was a terrible choice for Ep IX all along. I saw his debut movie Safety Not Guaranteed, and it was... fine? I guess? But certainly nothing memorable or special. I don't know what it was about that film in particular that Spielberg and Kennedy saw so much promise in...
As for Jurassic World, I thought it was straight up trash (like, not even competently directed or staged as an action/adventure movie) but imho it would have been a huge success regardless of who directed it based on nostalgia alone.
As Goaty notes, his most recent film - a passion project - was by all accounts an outright turkey. According to the Hollywood Reporter, this is what ultimately led to Lucasfilm losing faith in him.
I notice that on Facebook some idiots on Change.org for George Lucas to do EP IX? Did they didn't realise he is retired?
The elephant in the room is Carrie Fisher's death.
It was always going to mean massive problems for this episode.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 September, 2017, 04:14:52 PM
I'm not so certain it was Marvel's desire for some connectivity was that much of an issue for Wright but the idea of someone else re-writing the script.
Wright can do no wrong AFAIC, and I'd love to have seen his and Cornish's AntMan - but I think plenty of his sensibility remains visible in what is one of the best Marvel movies. As a hybrid, it certainly works.
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 September, 2017, 08:06:12 PM
Wright can do no wrong AFAIC, and I'd love to have seen his and Cornish's AntMan - but I think plenty of his sensibility remains visible in what is one of the best Marvel movies. As a hybrid, it certainly works.
It is one of the best Marvel films – ironically a few of the most popular touches that people liked and attributed to being in the
Wright & Cornish style
– and obviously part of the original script – were introduced afterwards by McKay, Reed and 2 of Marvel's uncredited staff writers.
Weirdly,
I only learnt last month that Edgar was apparently mates with one of my housemates at College, bonding over Star Wars, he was on the A/V course on the floor below us while I was fucking about with animation in the attic.
Surprisingly he got rejected twice by the film course (but they always seemed to be a bit up themselves)
I remember seeing a poster for his first film on the noticeboard, but thought he'd been a year or two ahead of our lot.
Oh and Mel, ex-of Bake Off was on the film course.
Funny old world.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 September, 2017, 08:18:06 PM
... ironically a few of the most popular touches that people liked and attributed to being in the Wright & Cornish style – and obviously part of the original script – were introduced afterwards by McKay, Reed and 2 of Marvel's uncredited staff writers.
Hah, brilliant!
You mean like Thomas?
http://screenrant.com/ant-man-thomas-tank-engine-disintegration/ (http://screenrant.com/ant-man-thomas-tank-engine-disintegration/)
Says it was a train set in the original Wright/Cornish script.
I Knew the fight in the girl's bedroom was a Wright & Cornish creation but all the Quantum Realm stuff was added by Reed and Michael Peña's funny story montages – which felt a bit like Spaced – were also a Reed invention. Wasp getting her suit at the end predates Reed and McKay.
New interview with Rian Johnson where he talks about the 'blank page' task he was handed.
How much of the story of "The Last Jedi" was dictated to you, either by events in "The Force Awakens" or by Lucasfilm?
I had figured there would be a big map on the wall with the whole story laid out, and it was not that at all. I was basically given the script for "Episode VII;" I got to watch dailies of what J. J. was doing. And it was like, where do we go from here? That was awesome.
So there's no one telling you that your film has to contain certain plot points, or that certain things have to be achieved by its end?
Nothing like that. But it's the second film in a trilogy. The first film got these characters here. This second movie has to dig into and challenge these characters. I wanted this to be a satisfying experience unto itself. I didn't want it to end with a dot, dot, dot, question mark.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/movies/star-wars-the-last-jedi-director-rian-johnson.html
Never really thought much about the Quantum Realm stuff, or the montages TBH.
Ahh so J.J Abrams will directing it. So at end all the big bad was red ball?