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: Games of the 80s
: JayzusB.Christ 22 December, 2018, 04:14:04 PM
I was just having a nostalgic festive think back to the games I used to play on the Spectrum (and the Commodore at my friend's house).  They were dreadful, of course, but suspension of disbelief made them amazingly brilliant and full of atmosphere.

Jet Set Willy - how many games these days can you find about a hungover millionaire tidying his house after a party?  Very simplistic graphics but it was easy to feel that you were exploring a gloomy and magical mansion.

Ant Attack - Odd 3d game about a boy saving a girl (or vice-versa if you wanted, fair play to them) in an isometric ruined city populated by giant ants.  It was set in some post-apocalyptic desert and somehow managed to feel like it. Also wins the prize for some of the most pretentious instructions in gaming history (which hint that the in-game characters are aware, Animal-Man-style, that you the gamer are controlling their destiny).  http://sandywhite.co.uk/fun/ants/AAInlay2.htm (http://sandywhite.co.uk/fun/ants/AAInlay2.htm)

Saboteur - incredibly easy but who cares?  You got to be a ninja assassin and go in a helicopter.

Thanatos - the parallax scrolling, as it was called, really gave this the required atmosphere.  I remember dreaming about playing the game before I'd every actually played it, and when I bought it, the gameplay was exactly the same as my mind's version.

Castle Master - one of the first proper, solid-graphics, 3d First-person POV exploring game.  I loved it but I knew it was the beginning of the end;  home computers would have to up their game to do this kind of thing properly.
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: IndigoPrime 22 December, 2018, 04:22:42 PM
There was a lot more craziness back then, that's for sure, which has only really returned to gaming on mobile. I was a C64 guy myself, and it's interesting that some (although only very few) of those old games still stand up today. I'd happily have a Bubble Bobble cab in my house. On C64, Boulder Dash and Paradroid remain first-rate games. Stunt Car Racer on Amiga desperately needs to be remade for modern handhelds.

There's clearly something in the air about all this stuff, mind, given the mini console craze. C64, Neo-Geo, NES, SNES, Atari 2600, various Segas… all of them can be grabbed from Argos – although they're of course just tiny PCs these days emulating the original hardware.
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: JamesC 22 December, 2018, 04:31:22 PM
I’ll always have respect for those who created really  playable games on such limited hardware. I was more in love with the Speccy than the C64 but both had some really excellent games and it’s surprising how many stand up today (off the top of my head - Dizzy games, Highway Encounter, Bomb Jack, Penetrator, Batman - The Caped Crusader ((the one with the overlaying comic panels)), the Magic Knight games).
I always think the Game Boy had something in common with those early home computer days. Lots of simple, playable games and ports of games they could barely hope to replicate but, sometimes, somehow, they made a pretty good job of it.
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: Tjm86 22 December, 2018, 07:42:55 PM
Fair dues, Spectrum prompted the development of some cracking games.  Tornado Low Level anyone?  As you say, Manic Miner and JSW were cracking mind wasters.  Of course there was also the Hobbit (waiting an age for scenes from the book to render), Warlock of Firelock Mountain and of course for us Tooth fans, Strontium Dog: The Killing.  Happy days!
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: Magnetica 22 December, 2018, 08:17:29 PM
We had a BBC Micro. I spent endless hours playing games on that. Particular favourites were Planetoid, Arcadians, Zalaga, Revs, Elite, Castle Quest and Citadel.
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: GrudgeJohnDeed 23 December, 2018, 02:52:06 AM
We had a BBC Micro. I spent endless hours playing games on that. Particular favourites were Planetoid, Arcadians, Zalaga, Revs, Elite, Castle Quest and Citadel.

Citadel on the Beeb! I really liked that as a kid, in all honesty I think mainly because the title screen got in my head and transported me to another world! It's the main thing I remember. That might sound weird but back then box art and title screens (if they bothered with art) were so powerful to me, sparking off the imagination that would then work whilst you played.

Repton, Daredevil Dennis, Space Pilot, Deathstar, Frak! and Shark were other highlights for me on the Beeb, although Shark didn't want to work often and gained legendary status probably because of how rarely you'd get to actually enjoy it!
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: HdE 23 December, 2018, 08:28:42 AM
I was just having a nostalgic festive think back to the games I used to play on the Spectrum (and the Commodore at my friend's house).  They were dreadful, of course, but suspension of disbelief made them amazingly brilliant and full of atmosphere.

Back about 18 months ago, I was actually given a bunch of old Spectrum and Amstrad CPC games to look at in preparation for that there YouTubey thing that I do at the moment. After looking at those, I actually think there's a lot more quality games for those old home computers han people give credit for.

Yes, the design was often rough and ready, and the games were usually FAR too difficult. Arcade conversions were often painfully inaccurate as well. But there were plenty of titles that were feats of genius in terms of their concepts and execution. Especially given how some of those older computers weren't ever really conceived as gaming platforms in the first place.

Something I looked at that really sticks in my mind is an old Speccy platform action game called 'Rex.' I couldn't actually get a review together before the cassette tape gave up the ghost  (some of the kit I was given was REALLY ropey.) But for the brief time I was able to get it working, I remember thinking it was every bit the equal of one of those retro-styled pixel art platformers that are all the rage now. There was a real sense of wonder still palpable about it due to the way exploration and experimentation factored into it. 

And let's not forget about whacked out 3D isometric games like Knight Lore and Head Over Heels. We don't often see things like that anymore (although there is the excellent 'Lumo' for more contemporary consoles.) I must have sunk HOURS into those as a kid. And... er... would do again if I could claw a bit more time out of my week to fiddle with my CPC!
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: Richard 23 December, 2018, 10:51:24 AM
Space Rogue (1989) is still my favourite game ever. I got totally immersed in that. Excellent world-building, so much fun.
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: IndigoPrime 23 December, 2018, 11:28:33 AM
HdE: check out Oquonie (https://hundredrabbits.itch.io/oquonie) if you can. If you’re a fan of old-school isometric games, You may well get a kick out of it.
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: JamesC 23 December, 2018, 11:35:31 AM
Monster Max on Gameboy is another quality isometric game.
I’ve heard good things about Solstice on NES too, along with it’s SNES sequel Equinox which I believe is more linear than most isometric maze games, having end of level bosses and stuff.
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: IndigoPrime 23 December, 2018, 01:05:01 PM
Monster Max is by Jon Ritman, who did Head Over Heels and Batman. I interviewed him about MM years back for Retro Gamer. It's a decent game if you've a Game Boy (or fancy emulating one).
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: Dandontdare 23 December, 2018, 11:08:25 PM
This gives me nostalgic shivers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtBoRp_cSxQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtBoRp_cSxQ)

I remember a friend at school did some work on a Spectrum game and earned a few hundred quid, which made him loaded as a teenager in the 80s. He got his computer O level by turning the AD&D random gem generator into a BASIC program - whooo, heady stuff.

I've got to say I don't miss those infuriating RPG games that never understood a damn thing you typed, but I did love the original Lemmings. (was that on Spectrum, or I am I misremebering my earliest PC games?)
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: Tiplodocus 23 December, 2018, 11:14:17 PM
I programmed pretty much the whole of the AD&D Players Manual into my 48k Spectrum so we could generate the characters and tool them up and then print out all the details.
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: TordelBack 24 December, 2018, 12:50:08 AM
It'd be interesting to know how many independent versions of that Character Generator program there were! No github back then! 

Sadly the products of my own Acorn Electron version were ruled inadmissible at the table due to the limitations of LET STR=RND(6)+RND(6)+RND(6). A repeating sequence of 'random' numbers was not what Our Lord EGG intended... Also,  I had no printer and knew no-one who did,  so had tobtranscribe the results by hand. Not much labour saving!
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: JayzusB.Christ 24 December, 2018, 06:48:54 PM
Fair dues, Spectrum prompted the development of some cracking games.  Tornado Low Level anyone?  As you say, Manic Miner and JSW were cracking mind wasters.  Of course there was also the Hobbit (waiting an age for scenes from the book to render), Warlock of Firelock Mountain and of course for us Tooth fans, Strontium Dog: The Killing.  Happy days!

Think The Hobbit may have been one of the first games I played on the Spectrum.  Great fun; a very condensed version of the book (out Bag End door and you're straight to the parched desert).  I used to love those type-in adventure games; a particularly memorable one being Curse of the 7 Faces.

I never go to play Samantha Fox Strip Poker, despite my intense longing to do so.  Played it as an adult on an emulator, of course; and naturally it was as massively disappointing as you'd expect a black-and-white 8-bit topless 80s 16(!)-year-old to be.
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: TordelBack 24 December, 2018, 07:33:54 PM
Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold.
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: JayzusB.Christ 24 December, 2018, 07:43:23 PM
Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold.

With one well-placed blow he cleaves your skull.  You are dead.
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: IndigoPrime 24 December, 2018, 08:16:01 PM
the original Lemmings. (was that on Spectrum, or I am I misremebering my earliest PC games?)
Amiga first, and then ported to pretty much everything else in existence at the time.

Think The Hobbit may have been one of the first games I played on the Spectrum.  Great fun; a very condensed version of the book (out Bag End door and you're straight to the parched desert).
Also, an entertaining between-moves AI that meant all the other actors interacted and sometimes killed each other, making your quest literally impossible to complete.
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: HdE 24 December, 2018, 08:40:04 PM
HdE: check out Oquonie (https://hundredrabbits.itch.io/oquonie) if you can. If you’re a fan of old-school isometric games, You may well get a kick out of it.

Cheers for that!
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: M.I.K. 24 December, 2018, 09:12:00 PM
ZX Spectrum games what I have made which may be of interest if you haven't seen thum already...

Loups Garoux (Castle Masterish freescape game) and a load of basic guff (https://malcolmkirk.blogspot.com/2012/04/malcolm-kirks-crap-games-corner.html)

Dead By Dawn (Evil Dead Freescape game) (https://malcolmkirk.blogspot.com/2012/11/dead-by-dawn-new-game-for-zx-spectrum.html)

(...and there's also an Amstrad CPC conversion of Dead By Dawn (https://malcolmkirk.blogspot.com/2014/11/day-of-dead-by-dawn-amstrad-cpc-version.html) by Miguel Sky)

Zombo (https://malcolmkirk.blogspot.com/2015/07/zombo-for-zx-spectrum.html)

The Unofficial Zombo's Christmas Capers (https://malcolmkirk.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-unofficial-zombos-christmas-capers.html)

Dredd Over Eels (https://malcolmkirk.blogspot.com/2017/12/dredd-over-eels-zx-spectrum-game.html)






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: GrudgeJohnDeed 25 December, 2018, 02:13:28 AM
Wow M.I.K, that stuff is so impressive. I'd say if you ever need a pixel artist we should collab but I think you've got it covered!

Oh and Merry Xmas, just got back from the pub!!
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: M.I.K. 27 December, 2018, 06:02:02 PM
Seasonal salutations to you an' all.

Incidentally, this is the new Black Mirror thing coming to Netflix...

Bandersnatch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM0xWpBYlNM)

I don't remember seeing any of that on the documentary about Imagine Software (https://youtu.be/ZoDh61sgCOg?t=329).
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: M.I.K. 29 December, 2018, 04:54:37 AM
Bandersnatch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM0xWpBYlNM)

Flippin' heck. This warrant's a double post.

Not only is the author of the book in that episode portrayed by none other than Jeff Minter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Minter), but they've created a website for the episode's fictional games company from which you can download a real spectrum game to play in an emulator.

Click here to download NOHZDYVE. (https://tuckersoft.net/ealing20541/nohzdyve/)
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: JayzusB.Christ 29 December, 2018, 01:08:20 PM
Jeff fecking Minter! There's a blast from the past.  The closest we had to a celebrity programmer.

Incidentally the only other Spectrum programmer whose name I knew was Don Priestley, who brought a unique style to Trapdoor, Popeye and Benny Hill.  He ended up moving, for some reason, to my small midlands Irish town and doing archery with my brother.  My dad got to know him quite well, not really realising he'd been a hero of ours a few years previously.
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: IndigoPrime 29 December, 2018, 01:44:52 PM
Blimey. Back in the early days of Retro Gamer, Don Priestley was someone I tried quite hard (and totally failed) to get in touch with, for interviews. Trap Door was a particularly eye-popping game, with its massive characters. He must be close to 80 now, assuming he's still around. Looking at the ongoing spreadsheet of doom, it looks like no-one from Retro Gamer ever got to speak to him, sadly.

As for Minter, he's still writing games. He did a bunch of stuff on iOS before deciding that platform was awful for games creators like him, and is now doing VR takes on his old games, remakes of Tempest, and, amusingly, a new shooter called Polybius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VXsAiNdelk
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: JayzusB.Christ 29 December, 2018, 01:49:28 PM
Aw crap, that's a shame you didn't track down Don Priestley.  I'd probably be able to find him with a bit of digging.

Trap Door was amazing.  I remember growing eyeballs from seeds, dropping them in a huge vat, and coaxing a giant jumping monster to hop up and down in the vat so that eyeball juice came out the tap and into a bottle. Madness