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: Prog 2145 - Body Horror!
: Eamonn Clarke 17 August, 2019, 02:52:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YIu4Hc9.jpg)

Great Chris Weston cover and inside you can almost hear a Pin drop.
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: Tjm86 17 August, 2019, 03:02:19 PM
... here you go Eamonn, your coat sir!
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: broodblik 17 August, 2019, 03:50:27 PM
From Chris Weston's Twitter feed:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECAk2FsWkAAHCc0.jpg)
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: Frank 17 August, 2019, 03:51:15 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/lHuqsjE.png?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/GpoyUa0.png?1)

Why wouldn't you follow Chris Weston on twitter (https://mobile.twitter.com/westonfront/status/1161969228297252865)?


1/ D'Israeli
2/ Henry Flint
3/ Colin MacNeil
3/ Chris Weston
4/ Simon Davis
5/ Simon Coleby
6/ INJ Culbard
7/ Richard Elson
8/ Phil Winslade
9/ Mark Harrison/Dave Kendall
10/ Jimmy Broxton/Lee Carter


Based on strip art only - Greg Staples and Alex Ronald would be in there, otherwise. Length of service and frequency of appearance are also taken into consideration, or I'd have been tempted to sneak Leonardo Manco in there, alongside the great Mike Dowling and former regular Ben Willsher, who seems to have dropped off the end of Tharg's Rolodex in recent times.

5 to 10 could be in any order, really. Cheating at the end with the doublers - didn't want to push that too far, or Trevallion, Goddard and Richardson would be in there at 8, 7 and 6, too. Anguished for ages about Culbard - initially had him higher, but he fell down the ranking due to the length of service criterion. Current artists only, which I'm defining as having a strip in Prog or Meg every year for the last three years.



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: broodblik 17 August, 2019, 03:51:28 PM
The Black and White one as well:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECAk2FsXoAUcGIL.jpg)
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: Frank 17 August, 2019, 03:57:41 PM

Sorry, accidentally double-posted using my broodblik sock account.


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: Colin YNWA 17 August, 2019, 09:07:23 PM
So there we have it. Dredd 'Control' ends and if I'm honest I'm a little disappointed. The ideas were excecuted well. The events that were used to carry them a little hackneyed for me. Shame as this has been a great story and I really liked what it was aiming at. Have to say happy that Maitland's alive.

Indigo Prime however is glorious and is the kind of story that gets away with 'The human Fingerbob' by the force of shear creative brilliance and glorious realisation. Ending exciting too!

Always happy with Sinister Dexter and this is a nice intro. Just also say I didn't like how John Charles coloured the Might Yeowell's last time here I think its a complete trimuph! It really evoked the painted stuff Steve Yeowell did back in the late 80s.

If I'm being picky the Future Shock makes a great Terror Tale as the shock ain't all that  shocky but the terror is certainly in the tale. Shouldn't really get too hung up on that as its a good story. I'm intrigued how folks will react to the art in this one. 2000ad fans can suprise by how conservative (small c) they can be in their art tastes and I see this could be an issue here. Me I loved it thought is was sharp striking. Loved the bold colours.

Jaegir didn't really move us on too much, just kept the same things going effectively enough.

Decent Prog if not quite up the standard of late.
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: Batman's Superior Cousin 17 August, 2019, 10:07:48 PM
Have to say happy that Maitland's alive.

I'm not, quite frankly (see what I did there) I'm a little disappointed!
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: IndigoPrime 17 August, 2019, 11:10:23 PM
So has this been Rob Williams removing himself from Dredd, or just finishing a long-running arc?
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: Geoff 18 August, 2019, 12:01:32 AM
The Future Shock was certainly shocking!

Otherwise a pretty strong prog.
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: 73north 18 August, 2019, 05:57:22 PM
No Prog today for me to read , or review - a big downer on Saturday
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: Zenith 666 18 August, 2019, 06:44:27 PM
So has this been Rob Williams removing himself from Dredd, or just finishing a long-running arc?

Oh I hope not.
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: Proudhuff 19 August, 2019, 05:27:21 PM
No Prog today for me to read , or review - a big downer on Saturday

^^^^ same  :(
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: The Enigmatic Dr X 19 August, 2019, 06:20:50 PM
No Prog today for me to read , or review - a big downer on Saturday

^^^^ same  :(

It's been at least four months since I got my subscription prog on a Saturday. Monday at best, often a Wednesday or Thursday.
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: Proudhuff 19 August, 2019, 06:33:25 PM
I blame Brexit!  :-X
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: 73north 19 August, 2019, 08:31:25 PM
Got my Prog finally today  :D
my thoughts

( 1 ) Dredd - Control - a good story , and it was enjoyable - well worth reading 4/5
( 2 ) Indigo Prime - not too bad , this is a story that you have to really concentrate
and use the back progs to work out what's going on ...on occasion 3/5
( 3 ) Sinister Dexter - First rate - I think the reason this story does so well is that it
doesn't come out too often ( like Jaegir ) and its fresh and original ( art work is great ) 4/5
( 4 ) Future Shock - well written , nice art work and a good , original story 4/5
and
( 5 ) Jaegir - this second part of the story was very good - its building to a nice climax
with hints of the Parachute Raid on Los Baños in 1945 , about it ,
for me Gordon Rennie is on top form here .
As ever the artwork is just glorious from Mr Coleby - he delivers every time

 I am glad I bought a ' Jaegir ' page from him back in Feb 2017 - best £ 60 ever spent
anyway for me ( I am a fan boy , I admit it ) 5/5
overall , a good , solid and enjoyable prog 4/5 in total
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: Proudhuff 20 August, 2019, 09:54:49 AM
Great cover, but the text could have been dropped a bit, why the jaunty angle?

Dredd: Nice use of Rad-rats and good to see old Stoney-Pus as dogged as ever, art great and happy to see those last two panels  :thumbsup:
IP: lots of nice refs in here, not too sure about the Fingerbobs...
Sin/Dex, more of the same as previous tales so far, liking the colour use, adds to the feel

Future shock: enjoyed that, I think the SPLUTTCH panel should have been flipped left to right to make it flow better.
Jaegir: Great to see some hardwear on Nu Earth, Colby does it so well. Didnt The Grennie droid use Kashan flying troops to attack a train on the Rogue Trooper xbox game, or am I miss remembering again matron? great tip of the helm to continuity if it is.

letters page Buttman and not a buddy in sight! :o
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: metcalfecarr 20 August, 2019, 11:55:15 AM
Is it me, or are those skulls on the cover really reminiscient of Bret Ewins' skulls?  Is this some kind of tribute by Mr Weston?
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: Proudhuff 20 August, 2019, 01:26:55 PM
Is it me, or are those skulls on the cover really reminiscient of Bret Ewins' skulls?  Is this some kind of tribute by Mr Weston?

I just wonder how the lower mandible stays attached? Any archaeologists around here...
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: Trout 21 August, 2019, 01:07:27 AM
oooooh, Chris Weston pretty much draws Dredd's face in this one. Add it to the pile of helmetless depictions!

Great stuff though.
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: Frank 21 August, 2019, 08:50:38 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/zSnowUn.png?1)(https://i.imgur.com/qoEiLa0.png)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leila_Khaled


Arcana's Fingerbobs line was funny, as was the headflick. While the idea of Burroughs Staypufting it through Docklands is entertaining*, JG Ballard is probably a metafiction too far.

Unless the closing credits of Indigo Prime feature Allen Ginsberg showing up at Robert Anton Wilson's apartment and announcing that he's putting a team together.


* and the idea of head fiction as detritus blowing through from alternate realities
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: I, Cosh 21 August, 2019, 11:58:36 AM
I only know the name (and I assume I'm not the only one) because of the song Like Leila Khaled Said (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1vfGHYBmSE) by The Teardrop Explodes. A band who famously took their name from Silver Surfer. My general feelings on current Indigo Prime mirror Tordelback's but, while I don't like it one bit, this is a level of cross-media, meta-fictional, reality-hopping I can admire.

I was never sure if the guest vocalist on this old Rob 'n' Raz classic was am agent of and extra-dimensional security firm or if only Billy Ray Martin had that distinction: Got to Get (ft. Leila K) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MZDRwJu0_0)...


(https://i.imgur.com/zSnowUn.png?1)(https://i.imgur.com/qoEiLa0.png)
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: broodblik 21 August, 2019, 01:49:54 PM
It was relative good prog not so fond of the Future Shock. Great stuff from both Dredd and Jaegir. 
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: TordelBack 21 August, 2019, 10:28:59 PM
So while I thought Jaegir was Top Thrill (Rennie is the solid bedrock of the comic these days, his strips are now consistently excellent week after week), I actually thought the Dredd wrapped really well.

Even though it was Maitland's bullet that knackered the Mechanismo, leading to Dredd's escape, it was the grit of the man himself that got him out of there. I also liked that Pin didn't stick around (although we didn't see her die...). Unless she had/was developing some sort of Dark Judges connection, I think her story was done.

And dear sweet Grud the art! I can't believe no-one has done the noose badge-chain thing with Death before, it's inspired. That corpse-pit will take sons beating too. Weston is a treasure.

Very good news that Thistlebone is coming back. It worked great as a one-off, but I'd love to see more.
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: Colin YNWA 21 August, 2019, 10:52:21 PM
Very good news that Thistlebone is coming back. It worked great as a one-off, but I'd love to see more.

Oh yeah good call. Mind I read on Faciebook - from Simon Davis himself - that he's not doing any comic work for a while, maybe it was a year.So unless there is a change in artist we may need to be patient.
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: broodblik 22 August, 2019, 03:27:45 AM
Very good news that Thistlebone is coming back. It worked great as a one-off, but I'd love to see more.

Oh yeah good call. Mind I read on Faciebook - from Simon Davis himself - that he's not doing any comic work for a while, maybe it was a year.So unless there is a change in artist we may need to be patient.

Quote from the Input Page: "meanwhile, the Eglington and Davis droids will be heading back into those eerie ol’ woods sometime next year for the ghafflebette series follow-up."

Yes so hopefully he will be back on art duties.
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: Colin YNWA 22 August, 2019, 07:22:28 AM
Very good news that Thistlebone is coming back. It worked great as a one-off, but I'd love to see more.

Oh yeah good call. Mind I read on Faciebook - from Simon Davis himself - that he's not doing any comic work for a while, maybe it was a year.So unless there is a change in artist we may need to be patient.

Quote from the Input Page: "meanwhile, the Eglington and Davis droids will be heading back into those eerie ol’ woods sometime next year for the ghafflebette series follow-up."

Yes so hopefully he will be back on art duties.

Oh yeah forgot about the fact its actually confirmed he's coming! Good news, mind in that case  we'll need to be patient. As long as it doesn't go all Helium on us!
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: norton canes 22 August, 2019, 11:28:45 AM
A satisfyingly squalid denouement to 'Control', I thought - kudos to all involved. Admittedly I wasn't quite sure what was happening when the charnel pit opened up - was it an empty subterranean space, the roof of which the sinking Mechanismo droid caused to collapse? If it was just a filled pit, where did all the mud go? Also, I got the impression from earlier installments (and previous chapters of the arc) that Pin's lair was underground, but here it was raining, or was that water running in from a ceiling? Anyway, the 'dark side' of Smiley's ghost was a nice touch - it took a moment before I realised why it was there!

IP seems to be pulling out a lot of tricks, but to me it just seems like it's trying too hard, and Kek-W should concentrate on refining his characters and storytelling rather than on each page simply unveiling yet another contrived new idea. Contrast that with the simple yet elegant style of Dan Abnett in this week's Sin/Dex, where his narrative flow is like a sweeping river winding smoothly across a lush plain. John Charles' colours are, I agree, absolutely glorious and the perfect complement to Steve Yeowell's art.

I quite liked the Future Shock, nothing revelatory but a nice twist (shame about that cheesy last line though) and Liana Kangas' vibrant art was a treat.

Jaegir was as magnificent as ever. I can cope with short 6-week bursts as long as they keep coming this frequently.

So Thistlebone is on its way back, then. That at least explains why the end of what turned out to be the first chapter wasn't especially rewarding.

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: M.I.K. 23 August, 2019, 02:12:42 AM
I only know the name (and I assume I'm not the only one) because of the song Like Leila Khaled Said (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1vfGHYBmSE) by The Teardrop Explodes. A band who famously took their name from Silver Surfer. My general feelings on current Indigo Prime mirror Tordelback's but, while I don't like it one bit, this is a level of cross-media, meta-fictional, reality-hopping I can admire.

I mainly know the name because of Leela from Doctor Who being named after her.
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: Frank 23 August, 2019, 06:57:53 AM

Ed Doyle, from the 1977 group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/4727793513/permalink/10158307915688514/), highlights the seasonal appropriateness of this year's Summer mini-epic:.

(https://i.imgur.com/uP4Mae6.png?2)


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: MumboJimbo 23 August, 2019, 10:35:47 AM
Great prog this week. I was expecting things to worsen once the excellent Thistlebone and Absalom were replaced, but Jaegir and Sin Dex are so far worthy replacements.

Pin's fate feels both just and apt. I would like next prog's Dredd to focus on the huge ramifications to the SJS division that these events would undoubtedly have, but of course Dredd will be back to full health and on a new adventure, probably a one-off by a different author, and any Pin-related fallout will be quietly forgotten until the next time Rob Williams pens Dredd. Gah!

So stoked Thistlebone is coming back!

I wonder how Tharg will fill the "spare place" for the following 4 progs until 2150? Will it be 4 more Future Shocks or will be get a 3riller?
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: Keef Monkey 23 August, 2019, 10:49:55 AM
And dear sweet Grud the art! I can't believe no-one has done the noose badge-chain thing with Death before, it's inspired. That corpse-pit will take sons beating too. Weston is a treasure.

I thought that was very cool and wondered why I'd never noticed it on Death before, I suppose because nobody has drawn it! The artwork throughout Control has been fantastic and a real treat.

A good prog, highlights for me being Dredd and Jaegir.

I felt the last Dredd page ended things a bit abruptly but other than that was excellent, I even felt a pang of sadness for Pin. As awful as the things she's done are a really good job was done of digging into your mind and where it all went wrong for her and I genuinely had some sympathy her when she met her final awful fate. Maybe I'm mad!

I could just read and read and read Jaegir stories because that Rogue Trooper universe is so dang cool and it takes it in such a great direction and the artwork is incredible...brilliant.

Was pretty happy to see Sin/Dex back, they're always welcome in my prog and the artwork looked really nice. Not sure how much of it is down to the colouring or if Yeowell has changed up his style a bit but it looks grand.

I have no idea what's going on in Indigo Prime and haven't for a while, but I'm still somehow quite enjoying it because all the madness leads to some great imagery and the art more than rises to it.

The Future Shock was okay, I thought the set-up was more interesting than the ending but I definitely didn't dislike it, and do agree that it felt more like a Terror Tale. Quite liked the art and wouldn't mind seeing more of that.

I even read the letters this week which I haven't done for a while! Not sure why I've been skipping them, I do enjoy them and this week they were decent.
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: Fungus 23 August, 2019, 11:46:06 AM
I wonder how Tharg will fill the "spare place" for the following 4 progs until 2150? Will it be 4 more Future Shocks or will be get a 3riller?

The Input page says a 3riller.

Let down by the Dredd ending, that may be a lack of invention compared to the high standards set by Williams normally. His toughness got him through. And a bed-ridden Dredd gets rebuilt again a la Steve Austin.

Future-Shock was good, these often tie themselves in knots (well me anyway), this was breezy and worked well.

Jaegir was grim and great as ever, SinDex an accessible first part.

IP's contrivances and art aren't for me.
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: DrJomster 23 August, 2019, 10:47:25 PM
A clear inspiration for the last few Dredds!

Actually, I thought the art duties on Dredd have been very nicely executed for this little run. All that rain and mud this prog really came across well! Nice story too, although I was a bit worried it felt like wrapping up an era. Please don’t leave us, script droid!

And what about Jaegir? It’s a bit good, isn’t it? Roll on the collected second book, I say.

Overall, I was pretty happy with this prog, a good mix just like an anthology should be. Let’s keep reserving a slot or two for new or developing talent though and give them a bit of space to develop. Erm, which we seem to be doing, so that’s fine. ;)
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: DrJomster 23 August, 2019, 10:49:53 PM
A clear inspiration for the last few Dredds!

I meant Frank’s post, but two of you posted while I was writing! Friday night forums, eh?
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: Frank 23 August, 2019, 11:19:07 PM

... two of you posted while I was writing!

How long did you spend typing that post???!!!


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: Dandontdare 24 August, 2019, 12:34:05 AM
There are 99 helmets in that first panel - I liked Pin as a Psycho murdering the odd colleague, but how could they not notice slaughter on that scale?
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: broodblik 24 August, 2019, 04:20:46 AM
She has been active since Chaos Day and the department looses Judges on a regular basis. So loosing a Judge is normal and just another stats
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: DrJomster 24 August, 2019, 06:26:47 AM

... two of you posted while I was writing!

How long did you spend typing that post???!!!

Oh, you know, maybe 3 or 4 hours... had to get it just right!
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: Keef Monkey 24 August, 2019, 09:12:54 AM
Overall, I was pretty happy with this prog, a good mix just like an anthology should be. Let’s keep reserving a slot or two for new or developing talent though and give them a bit of space to develop. Erm, which we seem to be doing, so that’s fine. ;)

Well put, while I'm obviously super happy when the prog is thrilling me cover to cover I'm very happy for a strip or two to not necessarily blow my mind because it's nice to see how those creators develop and it's great to see them get the chance to. It's part of what makes 2000AD great and long may it continue.
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: Proudhuff 24 August, 2019, 10:18:02 AM
There are 99 helmets in that first panel - I liked Pin as a Psycho murdering the odd colleague, but how could they not notice slaughter on that scale?

Yeah, it would be good to get a followup story digging back into Pin's activity and the imperfections within SJS, there's obviously a space between the Dept and the SJS where Judges can disappear without PSU seeing.

 Hell, link it into Smiley, the secret Ninja judges in the walls and the plot to get Hershey out by feeding her alien germs (what, you didn't know about that?) and it could bring down the Justice Dept!
 
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: Dark Jimbo 24 August, 2019, 10:56:11 AM
She has been active since Chaos Day and the department looses Judges on a regular basis. So loosing a Judge is normal and just another stats

Losing a Judge in the line of duty and having a Judge just plain dissappear are very different things.
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: broodblik 24 August, 2019, 11:56:22 AM
She has been active since Chaos Day and the department looses Judges on a regular basis. So loosing a Judge is normal and just another stats

Losing a Judge in the line of duty and having a Judge just plain dissappear are very different things.

We always read the story out the perspective of Dredd and the perp not Justice Department. Pin also know how the department operates. She knew how to get away with it without being noticed. Surely they have personal who investigate the disappearances of Judges.
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: JOE SOAP 24 August, 2019, 12:04:38 PM


Lots of dead Judges found with missing helmets.
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: Proudhuff 24 August, 2019, 02:12:57 PM
Given Judge Patsy's abilities to process data, s/he should have seen the pattern  :o
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: Woolly 24 August, 2019, 05:11:40 PM
Considering just how many times an SJS officer has gone crazy/abused their power, isn't it time the SJS themselves were investigated?

Be good to see Dredd join 'em for a bit!
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: TordelBack 24 August, 2019, 06:09:05 PM
Plenty of that already though, with Buell, Garcia and Gerhart, all upright joes working the SJS from within. Only Bell left, mind.
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: broodblik 25 August, 2019, 05:12:49 AM
I would like a series about Gerhardt. His ending in the prog was too abrupt.
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: Judge Olde 26 August, 2019, 08:44:12 PM
I would like a series about Gerhardt. His ending in the prog was too abrupt.

I thought it was a poor end to the story, too abrupt, hopefully some follow up before too long. But also a sad ending for a pretty good/interesting character. I think Dredds world works best when there are other characters he interacts with.
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: Proudhuff 28 August, 2019, 10:27:16 AM
Plenty of that already though, with Buell, Garcia and Gerhart, all upright joes working the SJS from within. Only Bell left, mind.

Hope we don't get a Bell end soon! :-X
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: TordelBack 28 August, 2019, 04:11:47 PM
Oh there's one around alright.
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: Proudhuff 28 August, 2019, 04:18:17 PM
 :think: