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: Prog 2198 - Lock & Lode!
: Goosegash 05 September, 2020, 01:02:14 PM
Hey, I get to do this now. Only took me 17 years.

Cover: Sinister Dexter drawn by Luke Preece. Nice job, although Finny looks like a revolting hipster with that haircut.

Dredd: A couple of major things happen in this episode, one of which could be considered a significant development in Dredd's world if it sticks. I'm concerned that a reset button might be about to be pushed though, as it feels like things have gone "too far". It's a bit like one of those Dr Who finales when it feels like the writer's got themselves into an impossible situation and there's going to have to be some deus ex machina to return everything back to normal. Let's just say if Anderson is still dead at the end of next week's finale I'll be extremely surprised.

The Out: A reflective episode looking back on Cyd's journey to this point. This is also wrapping up next week, it's been an unusually low-key and (deliberately) uneventful story for 2000AD, I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes next.

Tharg's 3rillers: This has been my highlight of the prog for the last couple of weeks, it's an intriguingly weird little tale that feels like something John Smith might've conjured up, and the art is absolutely gorgeous. This week episode also features possibly the most grotesque creature yet to appear in the pages of this comic - Jacob Rees-Mogg! I have to admit the reveal of "Nanny" made me cackle with glee.

Sinister Dexter: Another familiar face from Ray & Finny's past shows up. I've been re-reading this from the very start over the last week, and I have to say I really do miss the variety of art styles we used to get on this strip. The quality wasn't always consistent but it felt...alive. It just makes the art on the current strips feel really flat and functional by comparison. It's competent and does the job of telling the story, but the chaotic, vibrant Downlode of the Simon Davis era feels a long way away now.

Diaboliks: I'm not quite feeling this strip yet and I think it's because I don't really find Solomon and Jenny very relatable as protagonists. They worked as part of an ensemble cast but as the lead characters I'm not so sure. Maybe it's because they're a bit too powerful so nothing really feels like a threat? I'm happy for this to continue as long as it keeps Dom Reardon in work, mind.
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: IndigoPrime 05 September, 2020, 02:52:51 PM
Same thoughts re Dredd. It feels more “how does the writer get out of this” than a state of permanence within the strip. If it is some kind of state of permanence, then it’s massive. My guess: something something Giant sacrifices himself instead something.
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: Leigh S 05 September, 2020, 03:10:07 PM
My guess:

The Angel Head turns out to be Pat Mills
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: Richard 05 September, 2020, 03:26:21 PM
David Roach's art is brilliant as always, but it did annoy me a little bit when his revolver ejected two shell casings like a semi-automatic.
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: Fenscape 05 September, 2020, 10:46:18 PM
My guess:

The Angel Head turns out to be Pat Mills

Its going to be Dallas all over again with Dredd waking up in a smoking sleep machine lol
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: JimmyNailz 07 September, 2020, 10:54:16 AM
Loving the cover! Those colours are lovely as is the line work. Sinister Dexter look dead cool (must be the cigarette). I'd buy this as a new reader to find out who these fellas are.

Dredd - Personally I'm not sure I'm a fan of the "Dreddator"-like design for Death-Dredd. I think it would have more impact if he just looked like the Joe we all know and love/hate. But, it IS a "summer blockbuster" after all so I've got to allow for a CGI monster fight at the end.  Storywise, I'm enjoying the pace and panic as everything goes to hell, though don't think for one moment that Anderson's death will stick.  I thought the shoot-out double-page was particularly well done.  Dunno how this'll get wrapped up in one more episode though. I thought the cits getting moved to the Undercity was going to be a whole plot-thread but that seems to have been left behind for now. Maybe it'll be the next story? I am willing to accept an "it was all dream" ending though I fear it will very much split readers if so.

The Out - Cyd tells us why she's been travelling in to the The Out and its really rather heartbreaking. 

Thargs 3Hrillers: Saphir - a rollicking fun tale that might be "too on the nose" for some, but I found it provided a a nice bit of humour to the cosmic-horror-adventure mix. I think this might be tester for a potential future Thrill, and I for one and am board for it.

Sinister Dexter - After looking all cool and "lcoked and loaded" on the cover, it's a very action-free chapter of Sinister Dexter with not a shot fired.

The Diaboliks - we get introduced to the Deus Vult. Now lets take em down! I love Diaboliks, but this chapter was a little less exciting than previous ones. Now we have a new addition to the team and a new enemy, I'm looking forward to seeing where we go.





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: JimmyNailz 07 September, 2020, 11:07:02 AM
My guess:

The Angel Head turns out to be Pat Mills

Its going to be Dallas all over again with Dredd waking up in a smoking sleep machine lol

I genuinely think this will be the case. The first words to the story are "He dreams..." and you never really see him wake up.
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: Colin YNWA 08 September, 2020, 08:51:25 PM
I'm caught up at last!

This one wasn't as good as Sundays (or last weeks as it's normally called).

Dredd has a solid episode but the all action final episode was a hollow thing in some ways. I don't buy the 'shock' at all. The two page shoot was great but indulgent.

The Out was fine but not quite as astonishing good as a single episode. The insight into Cyd's motivations was great and when this worry is read as a whole will be so significent but here felt a little like it was underlining a point that was made last episode.

Saphir I mean its not subtle is it! But its fun.

Sinistet Dexter - I miss Steve Yeowell. Pieces are still being put in place and it still lacking a sense of momentum,

Diabolics not as dynamic as last week as things are revealed and angels gather. Decent.

So yeah nothing is bad, far from it, but everything takes a little down turn so overall it feels a bit disappointing.
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: DrRocka 09 September, 2020, 01:57:19 AM
Almost a perfect prog for me, with only Dire Bollix and a lack of a letters page being the not-quite-there elements.
The Out - wow! This has pretty much turned me from getting the prog for history’s sake, with all the Skip Tracer and The Order inanity that turns me right off, to being genuinely excited and - dare I say it - reverently looking forward to the moment I can get the latest prog. More of this, Tharg. Finally, you’ve got a happy squaxx again over here.
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: broodblik 09 September, 2020, 04:13:29 AM
A good solid prog before everything the next session of thrills.

Dredd - An action filled episode and it is difficult to see how everything wraps-up in one episode especially with all the players of the board, let us see what the Sovs can do about it. I cannot see that the death of Anderson will be real but you never know

The Out - No action here but what a great way for the story to unravel. I can see what the next series might dish up but Abnett has surprised us with his direction of the script.

3riller - I am enjoying this one with great art by Roach/Doherty. It is a fast paced story which do not mind changing scenery.

Sin/Dex - The biggest let down is how the story is being told in small fragments. It does not help that each new start feels like a recap and we will never get going. I am already missing Yeowell on art duties here.

Diaboliks - As with Dredd it is difficult to see how this will wrap-up next week. The cast of Diaboliks are swelling and it looks like a new member has been added
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: Link Prime 09 September, 2020, 09:43:44 AM

3riller - I am enjoying this one with great art by Roach/Doherty.


Best lookin art in the Prog, and that's saying something.
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: Barrington Boots 09 September, 2020, 10:02:02 AM
My first post on the review thread, wish it were more effusive!

This Dredd story really hasn't engaged me at all - the sense of threat isn't really there, nor is the sense of scale: it's felt a bit like the cast walking from one room to another for the next fight. Like a lot of others have said I can't see this being wrapped up in one episode without a bit of hand-waving, but I'm interested to see what happens. I must admit I thought Ichabod was going to be the death reveal, but I still suspect he'll provide the element to resolve things somehow.

The Out is just brilliant, more of this please.

I'm hugely enjoying the 3riller and not just because of the beautiful artwork and a bloke being called a cowardly Jackalsquid. I know it's a neccessary part of the 3riller format to do so but the story has moved along at a fair whack and I've really appreciated this in an era where sometimes things can feel a little dragged out. Highlight of the prog for me this week.

Sindex kind of meanders on - I agree with some of the guys above who said this story loses so much momentum by being told in small parts. I feel like they've been explaining the plot to different characters for months.

Diaboliks is another one that hasn't quite clicked for me overall. In his review Goosegash said Jenny and Solomon aren't relatable protagonists and this rings true for me too: they're pretty awful people and they seem so untroubled by everything thrown at them that there's not any tangible sense of threat. I much prefer the strip when it focuses on the minor characters in the cast however, so this episode was great.

Lovely cover too, definitely got a cinematic vibe to it.
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: TordelBack 09 September, 2020, 10:42:49 AM
David Roach's art is brilliant as always, but it did annoy me a little bit when his revolver ejected two shell casings like a semi-automatic.

The spirit of Burdis reaches out,  even from the netherworld of Facebook.
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: TordelBack 09 September, 2020, 11:31:14 AM
No question in my mind that The Out is still the star in the current firmament, a beautiful joy of a thing, and Cyd is unexpectedly in Lindy Creighton Dingoes-Ate-My-Baby* territory, if not the full Kate McCann. Can safely say I did not see that coming.

Elsewhere, cover is strong, like to see more from this Preece fellow, and Droid Life has one of its weaker gags.

I seem to have flip-flopped into a minority here, but I'm really enjoying End of Days now. It's perhaps more Devlin Waugh than Dredd, but once I got over the idea that this was a serious eschatological epic, and more of Wizard of Oz trip through characters-past, I started having fun. Williams is so adept at both zany-with-an-edge and tense-psycho-drama modes that I was wrongfooted into thinking this was the latter.

A crackpot plot and a gaggle of supernatural weirdoes battling on the moon for the fate of the world - larks! I thought we all wanted less ninja conspiracies and more batshit Dredd capers? Of course Anderson and Ichabod aren't dead(-er) , but I'll be far less enthusiastic if Giant III bites the dust. However, I'm now predicting that some bad munce in the Sector House canteen is behind all this.

3riller is unfathomably gorgeous, but it turns out I can't even enjoy a less evil parody of Rees-Mogg.

Sinister Dexter: wot, no Yeowell?  Luckily Assirelli is a more than adequate substitute, very nice and clean.  Please let this story run more evenly,  Tharg, we're losing half the panels and all the momentum to an almost fortnightly recap.


*Spoiler: they did.
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: Southstreeter 09 September, 2020, 01:04:56 PM
Any subbers still waiting for their prog? Even though it’s been coming late for months now, I can’t remember the last time I didn’t have it by Wednesday.
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: judgeurko 09 September, 2020, 01:07:22 PM
So, more great artwork in Dredd but that's the only redeeming feature. A lot to tie up in a handful of pages next week. I hope there is more to come & the repercussions spin off into another story but I feel we're gonna get a quick fix which would be in keeping with the writing style of this 'epic' which will probably be quickly forgotten.

But how good would it be if Dredd dies & we get a follow up story of Dredd & Anderson in limbo battling to get back to our world. Then a final story in this trilogy showing them dealing with what has happened to Mega City One in their absence/how their absence has impacted on the city.
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: BPP 09 September, 2020, 01:13:41 PM
Any subbers still waiting for their prog? Even though it’s been coming late for months now, I can’t remember the last time I didn’t have it by Wednesday.

Mine usually arrives the Friday after news-stand publication. Sometimes weeks late. And rarely but randomly on the Saturday before like others. I’ve given up searching for logic.
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: TordelBack 09 September, 2020, 01:15:55 PM
If Ichabod doesn't give Dredd a magic horse as a gift for being such a good host (both meanings),  I'm going to be disappointed. "Whene'er yer most in need of succour, she'll come git ya, through fire or ice or time itsel. Reckon you've earned that much,  Sheriff".
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: broodblik 09 September, 2020, 01:24:15 PM
I think it is going to be over just like that as Dredd will expel death from him and save the day or something like that
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: Barrington Boots 09 September, 2020, 01:25:54 PM
3riller is unfathomably gorgeous, but it turns out I can't even enjoy a less evil parody of Rees-Mogg.

Seeing Evil Lord Snooty get a bullet to the forehead cheered me up no end.
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: Timothy 09 September, 2020, 03:17:19 PM
Re Dredd. Surely there is a clue in the angel’s dialogue about “Anderson ... he shot me” .some sort of body-swap timey-wimey handwaving stuff?
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: judgeurko 09 September, 2020, 03:53:01 PM
Re Dredd. Surely there is a clue in the angel’s dialogue about “Anderson ... he shot me” .some sort of body-swap timey-wimey handwaving stuff?
Yep.
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: Link Prime 09 September, 2020, 04:09:12 PM
If Ichabod doesn't give Dredd a magic horse as a gift for being such a good host (both meanings),  I'm going to be disappointed. "Whene'er yer most in need of succour, she'll come git ya, through fire or ice or time itsel. Reckon you've earned that much,  Sheriff".

Maybe you should be writing Judge Dredd.
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: TordelBack 09 September, 2020, 05:11:33 PM
Maybe you should be writing Judge Dredd.

Dear grud no, a nightmare for all concerned.
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: Leigh S 09 September, 2020, 07:55:35 PM
Hmm, I think you might be onto something there!  For me, I havent come round to "the wild ride" hypothesis of Dredd Epic enjoyment here, mainly because I think Dredd epics worth their salt have more to them, either in the set up and/or the execution in terms of shifting narrative, setting and tone

If Ichabod doesn't give Dredd a magic horse as a gift for being such a good host (both meanings),  I'm going to be disappointed. "Whene'er yer most in need of succour, she'll come git ya, through fire or ice or time itsel. Reckon you've earned that much,  Sheriff".
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: JayzusB.Christ 09 September, 2020, 08:52:18 PM
Re Dredd. Surely there is a clue in the angel’s dialogue about “Anderson ... he shot me” .some sort of body-swap timey-wimey handwaving stuff?

Aha. That makes a lot of sense.
Let's face it, nobody but Wagner or Grant would get to kill Anderson.

Although, of course, she'd come back to life in a totally unnecessary spin-off story.  Pshaw.
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: Fenscape 09 September, 2020, 10:36:44 PM
Sorry folks but I still think its going to be a reset job - the story opens with Dredd in a sleep machine and we don't see him wake up. Its a great yarn but killing Anderson and exploding Dredd to power the engines is beyond mad. Warner and Grant would never sanction it IMHO.
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: sixmo 11 September, 2020, 02:29:39 PM
Sorry folks but I still think its going to be a reset job - the story opens with Dredd in a sleep machine and we don't see him wake up. Its a great yarn but killing Anderson and exploding Dredd to power the engines is beyond mad. Warner and Grant would never sanction it IMHO.

Look, we all saw what happened, Anderson is dead, Ichabod is double-dead, and Dredd is now some kind of toothy explosion monster, and that's that. I suppose the story had a good run over the years. There'll be something new along next week I'd guess.  :o :o :o

However, I do have a sneaking feeling that I may be channeling Misery's Annie Wilkes next week
- "Have you all forgotten what happened last week? HE DIDN'T GET OUT OF THE COCK-A-DOODIE CAR!"

I have enjoyed the loopiness of this story and the art has been super. The only doubt that crossed my mind is that I think regular Dredd is probably scarier and more menacing than the toothy explosion monster version of him. Can't wait to see how this progresses.



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: IndigoPrime 11 September, 2020, 03:07:29 PM
A clue’s probably in Prog 2020’s lead strip being called Judge Spikeface.
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: Timothy 16 September, 2020, 08:11:43 AM
Re Dredd. Surely there is a clue in the angel’s dialogue about “Anderson ... he shot me” .some sort of body-swap timey-wimey handwaving stuff?

Called it.
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: Proudhuff 16 September, 2020, 11:15:36 AM
No question in my mind that The Out is still the star in the current firmament, a beautiful joy of a thing, and Cyd is unexpectedly in Lindy Creighton Dingoes-Ate-My-Baby* territory, if not the full Kate McCann. Can safely say I did not see that coming.

Elsewhere, cover is strong, like to see more from this Preece fellow, and Droid Life has one of its weaker gags.

I seem to have flip-flopped into a minority here, but I'm really enjoying End of Days now. It's perhaps more Devlin Waugh than Dredd, but once I got over the idea that this was a serious eschatological epic, and more of Wizard of Oz trip through characters-past, I started having fun. Williams is so adept at both zany-with-an-edge and tense-psycho-drama modes that I was wrongfooted into thinking this was the latter.

A crackpot plot and a gaggle of supernatural weirdoes battling on the moon for the fate of the world - larks! I thought we all wanted less ninja conspiracies and more batshit Dredd capers? Of course Anderson and Ichabod aren't dead(-er) , but I'll be far less enthusiastic if Giant III bites the dust. However, I'm now predicting that some bad munce in the Sector House canteen is behind all this.

3riller is unfathomably gorgeous, but it turns out I can't even enjoy a less evil parody of Rees-Mogg.

Sinister Dexter: wot, no Yeowell?  Luckily Assirelli is a more than adequate substitute, very nice and clean.  Please let this story run more evenly,  Tharg, we're losing half the panels and all the momentum to an almost fortnightly recap.


*Spoiler: they did.

This ^^^^
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: norton canes 16 September, 2020, 02:59:26 PM
Looks like I have yet to comment. How terribly remiss.

1. It's all good

2. Gordon Rennie really needs to be given a chance to write for Doctor Who. The actual TV show, not the comic. Hopefully he can get a couple of episodes under his belt then take over when Chris Chibnall departs.

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: Bad City Blue 16 September, 2020, 04:10:06 PM
thank Grud "End Of Days" is over. One of the dullest Dredd epics ever, even the art felt phoned in at times.
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: norton canes 16 September, 2020, 05:34:45 PM
I think you'll find there's one more instalment  :)
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: kev67 16 September, 2020, 10:19:40 PM
Didn't The Dandy try to sue Jacob Rees Mogg for pinching the persona of Lord Snooty? If I were him, I'd be getting annoyed with comics.

The Out is sort of reminiscent of the horrible Madeleine McCann case. I wonder if this is going to be a one-off series or a repeating series. It's interesting, it's different, but I hope it does not spiral out of control. I think I preferred it when she was a vacant travel photo journalist. We'll have to see.

Sinister Dexter doesn't really do it for me I'm afraid.

The Diaboliks is better than I anticipated so far.

Dredd: still enjoying it. I suppose Cassandra is not dead for good.