Does this one all come down to who is your favourite Dredd artist? ... or second favourite - we'll find out soon enough. Or do both these have so much other stuff that its about more? Let us know as you pick your favourite out of
Cam Kennedy - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=CAMK)
OR
Ron Smith - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=RSMITH)
Alas we have to pick our favourite and to do so just pop the name of the art droid you'd most like to go through to the FINAL!!!!!, but please add anything else you'd like to say as well. It really helps if you use BOLD tags or otherwise make your vote clear.
This one will close and be counted on the morning of Saturday 6th February
What the hell is all this? Find out more about the Art Droid Tourneys and Quarter Finals semi finals (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47294.0) - I've not updated this - cos we know what we're doing right. There's a tiny bit more about the Semi's here (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47318.0) but it's mainly just a post about what's coming after...
Who made the 32 in both tourneys?
Entrants in the Current Art Droids Tourney (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47044.msg1042917#msg1042917)
Entrants in the Classic Art Droids Tourney (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47044.msg1042893#msg1042893)
Rules for what they are worth (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47294.msg1050982#msg1050982) again not updated as we're getting good at this now aren't we.
Anything else just ask and I'll make something up.
Cam Kennedy
I'm actually not sure what direction I'll vote on this one...I'll sleep on it. Two absolute favorites!
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 03 February, 2021, 07:17:18 AM
I'm actually not sure what direction I'll vote on this one...I'll sleep on it. Two absolute favorites!
Rogue or Judge
Having enjoyed the mental struggles that brought us to this point in the competition, I now find myself with an Unrecoverable Paper Jam in Area 3 Please Contact Service Personnel in almost every one. Beyond all other Dredd artists, even Carlos*, Ron and Cam draw the Mega City 1 and its citizens that exist in my head.
I really can't judge their respective completely different contributions to Dredd, they're both absolutely fundamental to how I have enjoyed the strip. For every Two-Tonne Tony Tubbs there's a Henry Ford, for every Flip Marlowe a Filmore Faro, for every King Surfer a Top Scrawler.
It can't be done.
So I'm going to move off that and instead accept that for Ron that it's only really his Dredd that I love, while Cam's Rogue, VCs, controversial Sláine covers and (stretching a point) Kenny Who?are equally dear to me.
So with a heavy heart, it's Cam Kennedy for me.
*Carlos draws my Judge Dredd, while Ron and Cam draw my Mega-City 1 - even though Carlos created the city in the first place.
Ron Rogue vs Cam Rogue
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwkNPWmXcAgrtrB?format=jpg&name=900x900)
vs
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVh5xwiU8AAEWSN?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Ron Dredd vs Cam Dredd
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vs
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZeJ6B9XUAAhD2h?format=jpg&name=medium)
Kennedy for me
Yes Ron Smith is absolutely my second favourite Dredd artist and given my favourite is already out, I'm giving him my vote.
He is supreme when it comes to depictions of the citizens of Mega City One and is synonymous with the kind of Dredd tale we just don't seem to get anymore and I really miss that.
Ron is such a legend but I have to go with Cam here... There are so many incredible Ron Smith Dredd stories but Cam's versatility and flair win the day for me.
Plus, this:
(https://i.imgur.com/6dCk20W.jpg)
Ron Smith. So many fantastic Dredd stories.
I can't believe how 'tough' these are.
I'm having to choose between parts of my life.
Cam Kennedy.
Damn it.
Ron Smith takes it for me.
Cam Kennedy.
Aargh!! This one makes me weep. How can I choose between the two?
After a great deal of gut wrenching soul searching back and forth across the old pre-frontal cortex, I am going to have to go with the person who consistently turned out a VAST number of Dredd stories for many years, somehow keeping them fresh all the time:
Ron Smith
(https://i.imgur.com/v2GbY1Z.jpg)
Cam Kennedy
Ron Smith.
Watching this one with interest. Cam is barely in the lead. Curious to hear how everyone decides their vote!
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 03 February, 2021, 10:01:54 AM
Watching this one with interest. Cam is barely in the lead. Curious to hear how everyone decides their vote!
Firstly Cam is my favourite artist. Ron Smith is a many sense the artists whom define MC-1 whereas Cam is the artist whom defined Rogue. I just felt that Cam is much more versatile than Ron. Cam can do Dredd with the same scope as what Ron can. Ron's art on Rogue was good but never came to the same level as Cam's work on Rogue.
Cam for me.
Quote from: broodblik on 03 February, 2021, 10:12:31 AM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 03 February, 2021, 10:01:54 AM
Watching this one with interest. Cam is barely in the lead. Curious to hear how everyone decides their vote!
Firstly Cam is my favourite artist. Ron Smith is a many sense the artists whom define MC-1 whereas Cam is the artist whom defined Rogue. I just felt that Cam is much more versatile than Ron. Cam can do Dredd with the same scope as what Ron can. Ron's art on Rogue was good but never came to the same level as Cam's work on Rogue.
I'd argue that in some ways Ron defined the Cits better (especially in terms of the oddities) but Cam breathed life into the Big Meg as a city better than anyone. The whole 'city as a character' thing was typified by Cam's work and a lot of his best strips involve Dredd taking a back seat to the surrounding city in all its scruffy, seedy glory.
Cam Kennedy for me
@ming I see that Ron was the first artist that really expanded the whole MC-1 from the cityscape to the citizens. the other artists just start riding on his wave. Cam just added another layer especially with his work on Midnight Surfer. Cam did however did the best fatties of them all.
Ron Smith
I'm going to vote for Ron.
SBT
ron
I'm going to say Ron.Again very difficult
Cam Kennedy without a doubt.
100% Cam
I hear all the arguments saying Kennedy is the correct choice, but my heart's still pulling me over to Ron Smith. And it's very much for the lunatic fringe element that he bequeathed to Mega City 1.
(But yeah, for work outside of the world of Dredd, it'd be Kennedy by a country mile)
Quote from: broodblik on 03 February, 2021, 07:30:02 AM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 03 February, 2021, 07:17:18 AM
I'm actually not sure what direction I'll vote on this one...I'll sleep on it. Two absolute favorites!
Rogue or Judge
Ha nicely done. Believe it or not, that comment helped with my decision. If this thread was "Favorite Classic Dredd Artist" my vote would have gone to Ron, just barely. I love the chin he draws on Dredd and all the zany cits of MC1. However, taking Rogue Trooper, VCs etc. into consideration (plus Cam's incredible Dredd) I have to go with
Cam Kennedy.
Pleasure helping out my follow Cam-you-can-do-no-wrong fanboys :)
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Quote from: Funt Solo on 03 February, 2021, 06:04:23 PM
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FANTASTIC demonstration of Cam's abilities! This reduces my cognitive dissonance regarding my decision.
Both artists are amazing. But for me, Big Ron Smith just wings it.
Both great Dredd artists, obviously, but Cam Kennedy was great at everything, so he gets the win.
Both Cam & Ron were mainstays on my two least favourite thrills during the Golden Age of the Eighties: Dredd & Rogue Trooper. However, there was just something about Ron''s work, his attention to detail, his ability to capture the sheer lunacy of the cits that gave me an entry point into the world of Dredd, whilst Cam's genius is something that I admire in retrospect. In fact, when I hear or read the word Dredd it is Ron''s version that springs to mind.
W high is a long-winded way of saying that I didn't even have to think about who deserves my vote on this one.
It can only be Ron Smith
Cam Kennedy
I love all the many many Mega City One cits, punks, spugs, juves, dults, tap gangs, vigilantes, bat gliders, scrawlers, muties, troggies, fatties, uglies, blobs, freaks, rogue lawmasters, notorious cursed earth desperados, shapechanging alien blood beasts, simian mayors, grotesque failed entrepreneurs, and little Bonnie Crickle with her brain in a jar that Ron Smith gave us. However, I always had doubts about the way he drew the lawgiver in Dredd's hand. It never seemed to line up right to my eye which irked me back in the day.
Cam Kennedy's work is amazing across all the major series he worked on: Rogue, VC's, and Dredd. His Dredd work is not as extensive as Smith's, but he did draw some absolutely iconic characters. It was really Kennedy's work on Marlon 'Chopper' Shakespeare that turned him into an essential MC1 character and not Smith's earlier version. Two Ton Tony Tubbs, not much bounce, but look at that flab! Kenny Who? and his tragi-comic adventures are legendary. Top of the pile is Jacob Sardini in The Taxidermist. Magical work. I've previously mentioned my favourite panels of that strip where it is revealed that the Mrs. Sardini Jacob is speaking to has been stuffed and mounted by clever use of panel layout. Kennedy's action flow and feeling of weight and grit in his work is brilliant also.
I'm picking Cam Kennedy in this battle.
Two greatly loved artists here so if you haven't yet take ther time to celebrate them today and I'll announce the winner first thing in the morning.
Sorry Ron, I'm giving Cam the nod here
Ron may have drawn more iconic stories, but Cam Kennedy in my eyes is the better artist.
'Kinell. Definitive Dredd vs Other Definitive Dredd. I don't know if I can do this. I'll have a think about it and get back to yous.
VOTING CLOSED
This one was pretty close, though one artist always, just about had the edge. I also suspect this one throw up a number of votes that just couldn't make the call. I know I had a clear favourite here, but even there it was a little sad to count each vote for that favourite because I love the other droid's unique, human style so much. We're at that stage and so the honour of being the last droid to face the mighty Carlos goes to
Cam Kennedy
I personally can't think of a better droid to take that chance. Mind Ron Smith huh, what a superb tribute to him this vote is and we should continue that here.
Fair play. I forgot voting was closed today, and I was coming back to vote for Cam after a very difficult decision-making process. Cam did the best Mega-City of anyone, in my book, but Ron did the best Mega-Citizens.