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Title: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Colin YNWA on 08 February, 2021, 06:28:09 AM
So the bronze place play-off if you will and what titans we have - is this about your Dredd, or does Slaine hold too much sway when it comes to Mike McMahon? These two on the surface have very little in common. Ron Smith tight, precise line, Mike McMahon restless, edgy invention. But look below that and you see characters with so much life breathed into them and action driven to dynamic extremes... the more I think about them the more they are actually pretty closely related.

Alas we have to pick our favourite and to do so just pop the name of the art droid you'd most like to grab bronze. It really helps if you use BOLD tags or otherwise make your vote clear.

Mick McMahon - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=MIKEM)

OR

Ron Smith - more info (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=RSMITH)

This one will close and be counted on the morning of Thursday 11th  February

What the hell is all this? Find out more about the Art Droid Tourneys and Quarter Finals[/s] semi finals (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47294.0) - I've not updated this - cos we know what we're doing right. There's a  tiny bit more about the Semi's here (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47318.0) but it's mainly just a post about what's coming after...

Who made the 32 in both tourneys?

Entrants in the Current Art Droids Tourney  (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47044.msg1042917#msg1042917)

Entrants in the Classic Art Droids Tourney (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47044.msg1042893#msg1042893)

Rules for what they are worth (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=47294.msg1050982#msg1050982) again not updated as we're getting good at this now aren't we.

Anything else just ask and I'll make something up.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: broodblik on 08 February, 2021, 06:31:18 AM
Ron Smith purely based upon his work on Dredd. Mike's Slaine was fantastic but Ron just edges it this round.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: abelardsnazz on 08 February, 2021, 08:41:40 AM
Ron Smith.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: rogue69 on 08 February, 2021, 09:08:57 AM
RON SMITH
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 08 February, 2021, 09:17:38 AM
Mick McMahon- Sky Chariots. All other arguments are invalid.

SBT
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Link Prime on 08 February, 2021, 09:27:57 AM
Ron Smith.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Tomwe on 08 February, 2021, 10:00:11 AM
Mick McMahon
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: ming on 08 February, 2021, 10:01:35 AM
Mick - closer call than I'd have expected but definitely Mick!
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Timothy on 08 February, 2021, 10:01:55 AM
Mick.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Trooper McFad on 08 February, 2021, 10:13:39 AM
Smith for me
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Huey2 on 08 February, 2021, 10:28:27 AM
Ron Smith.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: AlexF on 08 February, 2021, 10:56:10 AM
Gosh, wasn't expecting this one to be so close! Both having given so much to Dredd but beyond that McMahon by a country mile! Are people forgetting his work on Ro-Busters and ABC Warriors? The fact he designed and set up the VCs?

Mick McMahon for me.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Sean SD on 08 February, 2021, 11:00:13 AM
Ron Smith
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Magnetica on 08 February, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
Ron Smith.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 08 February, 2021, 11:20:35 AM
ron
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Magnetica on 08 February, 2021, 11:24:59 AM
Quote from: AlexF on 08 February, 2021, 10:56:10 AM
Gosh, wasn't expecting this one to be so close! Both having given so much to Dredd but beyond that McMahon by a country mile! Are people forgetting his work on Ro-Busters and ABC Warriors? The fact he designed and set up the VCs?

Mick McMahon for me.

Yes all good points. But it's still Ron for me. After Bolland he is the artist I miss most on Dredd. But I will agree McMahon has a more impressive portfolio beyond Dredd.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 08 February, 2021, 12:08:39 PM
Sky Chariots has some of the best comic artwork I've ever seen, and we owe most of Dredd's modern look to Mick McMahon.

But Ron was more a part of my formative prog years, and wins by a whisker for me.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Bolt-01 on 08 February, 2021, 12:52:20 PM
Mike McMahon.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: broodblik on 08 February, 2021, 01:22:01 PM
Judge Ron vs Judge Mike

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/ab412b1126d280fa4b3f0d4c67caa91b/tumblr_oa7mnt9AbF1qf427ko1_1280.jpg)

vs

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT7CCWZXUAAa9Ei.jpg)
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Lorenzo on 08 February, 2021, 02:07:54 PM
Ron Smith
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: BPP on 08 February, 2021, 02:24:41 PM
McMahon
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: IndigoPrime on 08 February, 2021, 02:31:17 PM
Smith too often remains an unsung hero regarding his work on Dredd, fashioning a world. But this is about favourite artists vs achievements, and so for me it has to be McMahon.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Dandontdare on 08 February, 2021, 03:08:02 PM
Mick McMahon
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Rogue Judge on 08 February, 2021, 03:39:23 PM
Mick McMahon.

A terribly difficult choice. But based on early Mick art, and the fact that images his Cursed Earth work often pop into my head, going with Mick.

Ron's Otto Sump is one of my favorites. I once printed out a prog cover featuring Otto (It's Tasty!) and pinned it to my sweater for an 'Ugly Christmas Sweater' contest at work.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: broodblik on 08 February, 2021, 04:19:19 PM
Quote from: Rogue Judge on 08 February, 2021, 03:39:23 PM
Ron's Otto Sump is one of my favorites. I once printed out a prog cover featuring Otto (It's Tasty!) and pinned it to my sweater for an 'Ugly Christmas Sweater' contest at work.

Some beautiful people :

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DI5SgEjXoAEZy1V.jpg)
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Funt Solo on 08 February, 2021, 06:10:12 PM
Mick McMahon, for...

Mad George, Colossus of Mars:
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/138.jpg)


For telling us:
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/160.jpg)


For the boots:
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/178.jpg)


For the apes:
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/184.jpg)


And for this utter madness:
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/204.jpg)
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: broodblik on 08 February, 2021, 06:20:46 PM
Some big boots to fill:

(https://cafans.b-cdn.net/images/Category_8285/subcat_86922/DsyXrNrN_2405191229551gpadd.jpg)
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 08 February, 2021, 08:07:21 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 08 February, 2021, 06:20:46 PM
Some big boots to fill:

(https://cafans.b-cdn.net/images/Category_8285/subcat_86922/DsyXrNrN_2405191229551gpadd.jpg)

Oh Christ, will you look at that.  McMahon has always been a master of the Citiblock, with all those curves, conservatories and tropical plants, but that just takes it to a new level. Beginning to wonder why I voted the other way now - I'll stick for the time being, though, and have a good think about what I've done. 

By the way, whose is the portrait just at Dredd's foot?  Just below the guy giving the finger, which is a great touch too.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Max Headroom on 08 February, 2021, 08:26:15 PM
I'm going with Big Ron Smith on this one.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Colin YNWA on 08 February, 2021, 09:09:51 PM
Is that McMahon picture one of the prints given away at the 40th? i know I've seen it somewhere and damn it astionishing.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 08 February, 2021, 09:13:59 PM
Ron Smith
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: AlexF on 09 February, 2021, 09:58:59 AM
To answer JBC's question
QuoteBy the way, whose is the portrait just at Dredd's foot?  Just below the guy giving the finger, which is a great touch too.

based purely on the eyebrows I'm guessing Dan Dare?
(it's a truly random selection of characters - Rogue Trooper, Mongrol, Zenith, one of the Harlem Heroes)

Based on the chin, could this be how McMahon sees Dredd under the helmet?
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: maryanddavid on 09 February, 2021, 11:23:13 AM
Mick Mc
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 09 February, 2021, 12:27:39 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 09 February, 2021, 09:58:59 AM
To answer JBC's question
QuoteBy the way, whose is the portrait just at Dredd's foot?  Just below the guy giving the finger, which is a great touch too.

based purely on the eyebrows I'm guessing Dan Dare?
(it's a truly random selection of characters - Rogue Trooper, Mongrol, Zenith, one of the Harlem Heroes)

Based on the chin, could this be how McMahon sees Dredd under the helmet?

Yep, think you're right - Dan Dare did cross my mind when I saw the zigzag eyebrows.  Hadn't even noticed Zenith before you said it!  Amazing stuff.

Which has got me thinking - imagine if McMahon had illustrated Zenith.  One of the best artist and one of the best strips, but they don't go together.  Like putting syrup on steak.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Colin YNWA on 10 February, 2021, 06:30:01 AM
Almost there now and if you want to vote on this one get that vote in today as I'll count up in the morning and annouce our third placed droid.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: I, Cosh on 10 February, 2021, 11:37:30 PM
 Mick McMahon is the better artist but I probably like Ron Smith more. Or liked. Think I appreciate McMahon's wildness more now than I did then. Hmm. Very difficult choice.
It's...
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8cnMOK74EQI/Vk3e1DlzSqI/AAAAAAAAI5E/T_ZOZ0YvwMI/s1600/mcmahon-dredd-04.jpg)
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: milstar on 11 February, 2021, 12:11:45 AM
 Definitely Ron Smith. His style reminds me on Brian Bolland, but has its own flavour. I don't like Mick. Too cartoonish and his earliest Dredd is almost unrecognizable.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Colin YNWA on 11 February, 2021, 06:34:06 AM
VOTING CLOSED

Well it was close, very close and both artists richly deserve the praise. In the end I do wonder if Mike McMahon's restless way of finding new and innovative way to reinvent his art cost him votes in the end? Or should we just focus on the dynamic angles, precision and character work of the magnificent

Ron Smith

clinched 3rd place. But damn there was some glorious art from both on display here.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: broodblik on 11 February, 2021, 06:38:02 AM
Both of them gave us some great stories over the years. Two great servants of the prog, both their careers must be celebrated by us all.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: sixmo on 11 February, 2021, 11:54:16 AM
Ha, it looks like I dithered too long trying to pick an artist in this one, or I voted and I've forgotten!

I think I would have picked Mick in the end, but these two have really defined our early 2000AD experience and it's fitting that Ron is up there near the top of the pile for all his amazing character work.
Title: Re: Favourite CLASSIC art droid - 3rd Place Play-off - Mike McMahon or Ron Smith
Post by: Rogue Judge on 11 February, 2021, 04:31:47 PM
I voted Mick, but could have gone either way, still happy to see Ron pickup 3rd.