Well we're done!
It's been debated and now voted upon and the definitive results are in. There can be no further discussion. It's clear AlexF was WRONG - however brilliantly he put his list together - and even by his own admission. But we're here to find out how wrong and to discuss the correct answers (well the correct answer that isn't my list anyway). So without further ad0, In time honoured reverse order the full, ranked order all sorted out:
52: Dead Ringer - 48 = down 4 places
51: Crusade - 52 = up 1 place.
50: Blood of Satanus III - 51 = up 1 place.
49: Purgatory / Inferno - 49 = no move.
48: Luna-City - 50 = up 2 places.
47: The Robot War - 44 = down 3 places.
46: Raptaur - 46 = no change.
45: The Mega Rackets - 43 = down 2 places.
44: The Ecstasy - 35 = Down 9 places
43: Cold War [The Adventures of Judge Dredd in the Land of the Soviets] - 37 = down 6 places.
42: Darkside - 38 = Down 4 places
41: Blood Trails - 34 = Down 7 places
40: Mandroid 2 - Instrument of War - 39 = Down 1 place
39: The Hunting Party - 41 = Up 2 places
38: Judgement Day - 36 = Down 2 places
37: Doomsday - 42 = Up 5 places
36: Die Laughing - 32 = Down 4 places
35: Helter Skelter - 31 = Down 4 places
34: End of Days - 25 = Down 9 places
33: Judgement on Gotham - 26 = Down 7 places
32: Judge Dredd Vs Aliens - Incubus- 27 = Down 5 places
31: The Chief Judge's Man - 45 = up 14 places
30: Wilderlands - 29 = Down 1 place
29: Sin City = 33 - Up 4 places
28: Krong Island - 21 = down 7 places
27: Fetish - 22 = down 5 places
26: Served Cold / The Cop - 18 = down 8 places
25: Dead Zone - 19 = down 6 places
24: Dark Justice - 23 = down 1 place
23: Block Judge - 17 = down 6 places
22: Beyond the Call of Duty - 24 = Up 2 places
21: Every Empire Falls - 20 = down 1 place
20: Small House - 14 = Down 6 places
19: Machine Law - 9 = Down 10 places
18: Titan Enceladus - 8 = Down 10 places
17: Mandroid - 7 = Down 10 places
16: Trifecta - 30 = Up 14 places
15: Mechanismo - 40 = Up 25 places
14:The Cursed Earth - 11 = Down 3 places
13: City of the Damned - 47 = Up 34 places.
12: Terror / Total War - 6 = down 6 places
11: The Day the Law Died - 10 = down 1 place
10: Origins - 3 = down 7 places
9: The Dead Man - 2 = down 7 places
8: Oz - 16 = up 8 places
7: The Pit - 15 = up 8 places
6: America - 1= down 5 places
5: Day of Chaos - 5 = no change
4: Tour of Duty - 28 = Up 24 places
3: Judge Child - 12 = Up 9 places
2: Necropolis - 13 = Up 11 places
1: Apocalypse War (inc Block Mania) - 4 = Up 3 places
I am just comparing the Dredd Epics vs Dredd Top 15 Mega Thrills:
1) The Apocalypse War (including Block Mania) - The Apocalypse War
2) Necropolis - Necropolis
3) The Judge Child - The Pit
4) Tour of Duty - The Curses Earth
5) Day of Chaos - Tour of Duty
6) America - Tale of the Dead Man
7) The Pit - Block Mania
8) Oz - Day of Chaos
9) The Dead Man - The Judge Child
10) Origins - The Day the Law Died
One thing I can say comparing the two lists is that we do love anything Carlos did
Also interesting to note that two stories wrapped into their respective larger Epics on AlexF's list - 'Block Mania' and 'Tales of the Dead Man' both chart on their own merits in the Dredd Top 15 Mega Thrills list.
The Day the Law DIED??
Colin, your Tour of Duty running this epic Crusade has gone well Beyond the Call of Duty, creating a Helter Skelter of emotions from Luna City to Ecstasy. I can't deny there where Days of Chaos, when a Trifecta of people with a real Fetish for 'City of the Damned' had a Hunting Party sniffing out the Blood Trails to bring about Doomsday for the Origins of my best epic list. I suppose some will Die Laughing at having toppled the Small House of my humble opinions, a revenge Served Cold from the Pit of a Dead Zone, leaving me as an Incubus of despair, to lick my wounds and wonder how to escape this difference-of-opinon Wilderlands, one day ready to emerge from the Darkside of Sin City's Purgatory, to wreak my own brand of Dark Justice. Every Empire Falls, I guess.
The only thing that rankles, rankles by Grud, is that you lot have somehow voted Mechanimso as better than Machine Law. You idiots.
AlexF - you sir are MAGNIFICENT! That post is a work of wonder.
But now back to pulling your work apart...
Some Headline numbers
So let's look at some headline figures here. Firstly AlexF got three epics positioned exactly as the poll did, Purgatory / Inferno at 49, Raptaur at 46 and Day of Chaos at number 5.
32 Epics went down, i.e AlexF ranked them higher than they ended in the final poll
17 went up, i.e. the vote ranked the Epics higher than AlexF's original ranking.
Overall on average epicss moved 6.4 positions (regardless of direction)
The average move down was 5.2
The average move up was 9.8
The fact that the jumps up were largely bigger than the drops isn't surprising as the format limited how far an Epic could drop. Its entirely possible some would have dropped more. In theory there was no limit as to how far an Epic could rise... as fans of City of the Damned will atest to.
Sun city is the one that stands out to me as way out of place there - did formatting do for it?
Thanks again Colin, it's a great list to look thru.
Now AlexF needs punished for his disgraceful views on City of The Dammed....
Quote from: BPP on 26 April, 2021, 10:48:19 AM
Now AlexF needs punished for his disgraceful views on City of The Dammed....
I will castigate and mock many of AlexF's decisions and rankings, but I will stand shoulder to shoulder with him on his view of 'City of the Damned'!
I also struggle to grasp the concept for the love of the 'City of the Damned'. Truth is stranger than fiction
City of the Damned was really a proto-Necropolis.
Still not sure Dead Man deserves a ranking slot. Either that or Block Mania is getting treated roughly.
But that's the beauty of this.
Thanks Colin! I really enjoyed this.
How about ranking every other strip, not Dredd, into a glorious Top 1000?
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 26 April, 2021, 12:00:08 PM
How about ranking every other strip, not Dredd, into a glorious Top 1000?
If Colin doesn't have that one pencilled into his purloined Library Services notebook, I'll be disappointed.
Quote from: TordelBack on 26 April, 2021, 12:58:43 PM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 26 April, 2021, 12:00:08 PM
How about ranking every other strip, not Dredd, into a glorious Top 1000?
If Colin doesn't have that one pencilled into his purloined Library Services notebook, I'll be disappointed.
Its #4
The big changes - Climbers
So while AlexF kinda didn't have his finger on the pulse - though as we'll see it could have been worse - in the end though which Epics was he most out of tune on?
Well we know the biggie. The biggest change overall was of course City of the Damned. There are folks out there that clearly LOVE this one but AlexF (much like myself) see it for the hideous mutated beast it is. It was there able to rise a whooping and eye popping 34 places.
Other big moves up, i.e. the Epics AlexF's likes a lot less than most folks.
Mechanism stomped, then limped a magnificent 25 place UP the charts in the final ranking compared to AlexF's ranking
Well we value Tour of Duty far more than AlexF - THOUGH NOT ENOUGH - still this was the 3rd highest climber with a very brisk 24 places.
Both Trifecta and The Chief Judge's Man gained 14 places
Interestingly 2nd placed Epic Necropolis was the last of the big movers returning from the dead to scale 11 places.
The whole time I was reading this thread, the Top of the Pops version of Whole Lotta love was on a loop in my head and I was reading all the comments in Bruno Brooke's voice
Quote from: Mister Pops on 26 April, 2021, 05:14:32 PM
The whole time I was reading this thread, the Top of the Pops version of Whole Lotta love was on a loop in my head and I was reading all the comments in Bruno Brooke's voice
I know exctly what you mean.
Anyway pop pickers last one for today as I'm sure your all pig sick of this by now
The big changes - FallersWhich Epics does AlexF like a lot more than the rest of folks. Well remember this was artificially limited by the format but three dropped 10 places from AlexF's ranking:
Machine Law
Titan / Enceladus
Mandroid
Another two dropped 9 places, The Ecstacy and End of Days.
We are left to reflect how low they might have gone if the format had allowed. I do think Machine Law will get a revaluation as time goes on and Titan / Enceladus is wonderful!
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 26 April, 2021, 09:27:27 AM
The fact that the jumps up were largely bigger than the drops isn't surprising as the format limited how far an Epic could drop. Its entirely possible some would have dropped more. In theory there was no limit as to how far an Epic could rise... as fans of City of the Damned will atest to.
That's right. It's also important to understand the format limited the number of epics that could rise significantly i.e in a pool of 8 only 4 could progress to the next pool. Those left behind in that pool could then only fight out the places in that pool. But there was no limit to how far a few favoured epics could rise.
Quote from: Funt Solo on 26 April, 2021, 06:35:25 PM

A picture says a thousand words! Drokk that's nice.
One thing this contest succeed in was increasing my appreciation of City of the Damned. After rereading it, along side of Judge Child, I have to say its definitely in my top 10 epics.
are we still voting?
city of the damned
more sensible would be to put cotd in a dredd epic superleague - of one - next time. it could then dispense its thrills to spare to the rest of the epics pyramid.
never mind the fans. this is the future. literally.
Quote from: The Mind of Wolfie Smith on 26 April, 2021, 08:14:40 PM
are we still voting?
city of the damned
I am not sure if City of Damned will qualify for local elections. But you never know
Quote from: Funt Solo on 26 April, 2021, 06:35:25 PM

Pffft... what a swizz- imagine
City of the Damned being pipped by superficial, throwaway yarns like Origins, America and Necropolis. They'll be telling us Junker was rubbish next... etc.
"Seedings- the acceptable swindle, to keep the big
teams stories in..."
Nods sagely.
And its wonderful images like that, concepts like vampire jobs and zombie Dredd that mean when you actually read it its such a waste!
Mind can you trust my opinion....
It could have been worse - Final rankings compared to my positions
Well as I said at the start of all this is isn't an exercise in AlexF bashing ... I mean sure we needed to hack up his list and make that better BUT if anyone individual had the gumption to do such a list would they be as 'wrong' as AlexF.
To find out you might remember before we kicked off I put that to the test and got a random no-mark to come up with their own list for comparison and that no-mark was ME. And so here's the same ranking BUT this time the positional changes will be based on my correct ranking.
52: Dead Ringer - 48 = down 4 places
51: Crusade - 52 = up 1 place.
50: Blood of Satanus III - 51 = up 1 place.
49: Purgatory / Inferno - 50 = Up 1 place.
48: Luna-City - 43 = Down 5 places.
47: The Robot War - 37 = down 10 places.
46: Raptaur - 44 = Down 2 places
45: The Mega Rackets - 30 = down 15 places.
44: The Ecstasy - 49 = up 5 places
43: Cold War [The Adventures of Judge Dredd in the Land of the Soviets] - 36 = down 7 places.
42: Darkside - 45 = Up 3 places
41: Blood Trails - 15 = Down 26 places
40: Mandroid 2 - Instrument of War - 20 = Down 20 places
39: The Hunting Party - 34 = Down 5 places
38: Judgement Day - 41 = Up 3 places
37: Doomsday - 25 = Down 12 places
36: Die Laughing - 32 = Down 4 places
35: Helter Skelter - 46 = Up 11 places
34: End of Days - 33 = Down 1 place
33: Judgement on Gotham - 42 = Up 9 places
32: Judge Dredd Vs Aliens - Incubus - 35 = Up 3 places
31: The Chief Judge's Man - 27 = Down 4 places
30: Wilderlands - 40 = Up 10 places
29: Sin City - 29 = No change
28: Krong Island - 28 = No Change
27: Fetish - 39 = Up 12 places
26: Served Cold / The Cop - 23 = down 3 places
25: Dead Zone - 19 = down 6 places
24: Dark Justice - 38 = Up 14 places
23: Block Judge - 24 = Up 1 place
22: Beyond the Call of Duty - 31 = Up 9 places
21: Every Empire Falls - 17 = down 4 places
20: Small House - 14 = Down 6 places
19: Machine Law - 11 = Down 8 places
18: Titan / Enceladus - 10 = Down 8 places
17: Mandroid - 18 = Up 1 place
16: Trifecta - 9 = Down 7 places
15: Mechanismo - 22 = Up 7 places
14: The Cursed Earth - 2 = Down 12 places
13: City of the Damneds - 47 = Up 34 places.
12: Terror / Total War - 6 = down 6 places
11: The Day the Law Died 21 = Up 10 places.
10: Origins 13 = Up 3 places
9: The Dead Man - 5 = down 4 places
8: Oz - 16 = up 8 places
7: The Pit 3 = Down 4 places.
6: America - 4 = down 2 places
5: Day of Chaos - 8 = Up 3 places
4: Tour of Duty - 1 = Down 3 places
3: Judge Child - 26 = Up 23 places
2: Necropolis - 12 = Up 10 places
1: Apocalypse War (inc Block Mania) - 7 = Up 6 places
Great stuff again Colin. Enjoyed your tourney !!!!
Time for some re-reading.
The numbers
What do we learn from this list of mine (the correct order remember). Well firstly actually AlexF was closer to the correct answer than you lot. You just can't be trusted!
You only got two answers correct compared to me that being Sin City and Krong Island.
Second while with AlexF positions shifted by an average of 6.4 positions against the final ranking from the tourney, against my list that number increased to 7.25. Meaning I'm even more out of step with you lot!
Here's the rest of the data (AlexF's in brackets for comparison)
26 (32) Epics went down, i.e Colin.ynwa ranked them higher than they ended in the final poll
24 (17) went up, i.e. the vote ranked the Epics higher than Colin.ynwa's ranking.
The average move down was 7.1 (5.2)
The average move up was 7.9 (9.8)
I will note that my figures have some statistical errors - I know this for reasons I won't bore you with, but they are slight and where as I look the time to tidy errors with AlexF's data as it was more important I couldn't be bothered with mine, as they won't affect the over all picture.
So yeah we might have dissected and mocked AlexF's folly, but heck be grateful it was me doing it things would have been even worse. I imagine any of us would have had a very different list than came out of the final results.
After all we know about half of you think City of the Damned is the Gurddamned best Epic for some bizarre reason*
*Well I had to let it have the final word didn't I!
Isn't sun city / krong island in your listings a result of the format?
One to one I can't believe krong island beats sin city.
Yeah to be fair that's very possibly (probably) right.
Krong Island (I really like Krong Island I wil say) came 'bottom' of its section so had fallen as far as it could and Sin City had gone as high as it could once it lost its Round 5 vote (interestingly by 1 point to... you guessed it... City of the Damned!). So if we had had more votes to check the positions post ranking votes I think it's a reasonable assumption to say Sin City could have taken out Krong Island.