Ever since Mr Flint drew ABC Warriors last year and now Shakara, I've wondered if in fact his art is in colour and then printed in black and white.
All of the backgrounds look like they use a mixture of computer colour.
Does anyone have any ideas? Maybe someone at Rebellion can tell me?
If it is originally in colour, I hope he gets paid the same amount as colour art jobs! Would seem a shame to draw it in colour and then be printed in black and white.
scojo
Sorry about the double post!
scojo with twitchy fingers demanding we see Shakara in colour
>Ever since Mr Flint drew ABC Warriors last year and now Shakara, I've wondered if in fact his art is in colour and then printed in black and white.
>All of the backgrounds look like they use a mixture of computer colour.
I must be feeling in a good mood, I'll ask him for you and post his reply.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Link: The Class Of '79
It might be cool to see a coloured in Shakara, but you gotta admit that it's nice to see such good old school black and white, when so many artists b'n'w stuff just looks like they haven't bothered colouring it in.
peace
Shakara is intentionally designed to be b/w with a spot red in certain places. the files have to be colour to accomodate the reds which explains the slight sepia hues to some of the backgrounds. henry went thru many different colour schemes apparently, before settling on this. i like it.
The art on the strip is ok - but I must admit to prefering his colour work on Rogue Trooper/Venus Bluegenes.
What I want to know is if the story is actually going anywhere? So far we have had a series of seemingly unconnected events and little in the way of a plot.
Bad guys get shot by an alien.
Alien says his name.
This pretty much sums up the story so far. It is uneventful and pretty boring. If anyone can ask the writer if he is going to begin to put a plot into the story and post the answer I would appreciate it as this could be a very good story if the writing could only match the artwork.
(Sorry for moaning Logan!!!)
Well this is the catch David...
If the series is unpopular and pulled, the backstory (the who, why, when and when) will never be told.
This is the problem for any story which is written as both a self contained tale but with plotline threads to be developed in the future. Examples being Carver Hale, Love Like Blood, Rain Dogs and Vanguard. These stories were meant to continue but we will ever see them again?
To me, a good story and writer has to be allowed time to develop. However if the fans out there can't stand it, the story is dumped.
I have a guess we may find out a bit more about Mr Shakara next week.
Why?
Well if you look at this week's next prog caption, it reads Psico killer. And Psico was mentioned in part 2 (prog 1273).
Whether all is revealed by the end of Shakara, I don't know. If not, we will have to hope the story is given a second chance.
However R Morrison's Vanguard was not a success so...
scojo
I wouldn't have thought so. Surely once the mighty Tharg has made a decision that story runs through it's entirety. The editorial decision has been made and they will have at least seen a few progs worth of material surely and know where it's going?
Has any story ever been pulled? I've been away a bit so maybe I've missed something. Or did you mean dumped after the first series?
"I have a guess we may find out a bit more about Mr Shakara next week."
I've been saying that every week, but we havn't had even the tiniest of revelations. As it isn't going to be a slow piecing together of information (which could be fun) I guess it will be of the shock revelation type. Or we may never know. If it's a reference to a strip from the previous five years it will be lost on me.
Incidently Logan, you weren't just p*ssed off because you know Henry Flint and someone was slagging him off were you? I think the worst that someone said so far was 'confusing'.
Oh and Davidtobin100, I haven't seen this colour Flint artwork what's it like? I just assumed (silly me) that he just worked in b/w. Is it very different or the same but coloured in? If someone has some prog no's I should be able to borrow the relevant ones.
Cheers.
Here's a suggestion for the powers at be at Rebellion.
Just my opinion for what it's worth.
When you commission new stories, always ensure they are self contained. In other word have an absolute end.
If they are popular, bring them back and allow the writer to develop new ideas.
Bad Company and Zenith (the 1st series) were 100%self contained.
If you suggest too much in the last part of a new story and it bombs, you kind of have egg on your face.
scojo who can't stand eggs
I mean the story is dumped at the end PVS!
Vanguard ended saying End Of book 1 or something similar.
What about Rogue Trooper Mark 2?
He is still lost in the black hole!
And I don't mean Venus!
Joke that.
Witchworld is another. Remember that anyone?
There are many more examples.
scojo
Sorry Scoje old chap. I get you. Yes, first series should be complete in themselves in case they don't make it to another, well maybe all series.
The same goes for tv series. It really annoys me when series end on a cliffhanger then get dumped by their tv station. E.g. American Gothic, ambiguous unsattisfying ending that wanted to make you see more, but you can't.
>Incidently Logan, you weren't just p*ssed off because you know Henry Flint and someone was slagging him off were you? I think the worst that someone said so far was 'confusing'.
I personally think Henry Flint is one of the best artists not only working on 2000 at the moment but one of its best artists ever. Yes I know Henry, and will forever be in his debt for doing the first two episodes of Harry Heston but Henrys a big boy and if someone doesn't like his artwork then I'm sure he could defend himself and wouldn't need me to do it.
My 'Moan, Moan, Moan' post wasn't aimed at anyone in particular but there seems to be a culture here on the message board of just saying what people don't like or how things should be done differently. In general these points aren't put across in a way that allows the topic to be discussed and for various points of view to appear. They just go, So & so is crap, don't like the story/art and they shouldn't be allowed to do this crap and I'm not going to buy the comic if this crap continues, or something along those lines.
It's no great secret that along with my dislike of Sinister/Dexter I don't like the artwork of Siku, nice chap that he is I just don't like his artwork. Now both Sinister/Dexter and Siku still appear in 2000 but instead of posting my dislikes week after week or whenever they appear I make my point known, allow for other people to add their comments if they wish and then generally move on to other things. At the moment we get a new story or artist and after one episode we get people saying I don't like this. Episode two appears and people post I don't like this, episode 3 appears, I think you get my drift. Comment on each episode or appearance but add something new to argument or wait until the story is complete and comment on it as a whole, but to see the same comments week after week gets boring. That?s why I believe that most people on the 2000AD newsgroup or on any other forum know I don't like Sin/Dex and Siku but unless I've something new to add to my reasons I just leave those topics well alone and don't keep treading over old ground.
My personal feelings on Shakara, well its going to come as no surprise that I like the artwork and as for the story. I've so far enjoyed each individual episode but as yet there isn't any obvious link between them, just Shakara turning up and saying his cathphrase. Each episode has entertained me, which is all anyone can ask of a story, and I hold out judgement on the series as a whole until the series ends.
Think back to previous stories such as Nemesis, Halo Jones and I'm sure people can think of others, but would those stories, if they were appearing today, be getting slagged off, or adverse criticism on such forums as this. One of the things about the internet is the fact that once a story appears within minutes people can be discussing it and trying to work out what going to happen or what's coming next. If it wasn't so easy would you have already written a letter to the Nerve Centre with your feelings for a particular story or would you wait to see how it develops or ends before making your comments and opinions known.
To me it seems easier these days to criticise something than to praise it and have we lost the patience to allow something to grow before we want to see it removed. I'm not saying that such stories as Shakara are the best to appear or that I would wish to see a second series but I'm willing to see how things develop before I get the knives out. Of course I can't promise that I wouldn't be the first to have ago if a Sin/Dex story by Siku was to appear next week but I like to think I would try to give some solid reasons for my negative comments.
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Link: The Class Of '79
Yeah yeah boring! Forget all that Logan:O)
Did you email Flinty features and did he tell you if his art is originally in colour or not?
I got a mad theory it's coloured by Chris Blythe and then turned into black and white.
scojo
"I personally think Henry Flint is one of the best artists not only working on 2000 at the moment but one of its best artists ever. "
With you there, Logan. I think Henry Flint is one of those artists whose style and imagination are pure 2000AD, or at least everything I like about 2000AD. For me that's only a small group, including Jock, Frazer Irving, Kevin O'Neill, Ezquerra and of course McMahon.
"Of course I can't promise that I wouldn't be the first to have ago if a Sin/Dex story by Siku was to appear next week "
Let's hope you that situation never arises!
N
Fair enough, it was just a doubt nagging at the back of my mind. It seemed to me something said on the Shakara board sparked you off where you raved about Flint's artwork and then ranted about the vocal minority who didn't like it. I just thought that may have been the moment when your frustration with the Message board boiled over, particularly as you knew the bloke.
This version is much clearer to me, yes I understand. Anyway I half agree with you half don't agree with you but I'm not sure which half (does that mean I'm confused?).
But if you look through the last three Shakara threads, which i have just done to check your theory, which if you just look at the size of them and the titles you would imagine that a frenzy of Shakara backstabbing had gone on.
In fact when you read them half the comments are about something else or just jokes, the rest are people generally saying something once, though someone else may reiterate it. It looked from the outside a lot worse than it was.
The only comment I could find that was a repetion was probably from me (I'm guilty!), there I was trying to respond to someone who responded to my original comment about some lewdness in episode four of Shakara. They seemed to think I didn't get the joke, so I pointed out that I did but didn't find it very funny. I tried to say something different to my other post but maybe I didn't. Certainly very few people agreed with me anyway so it's a moot point.
Now the Storming Hevean post is too painful for me to go back through, but there you might have a point. There, a raging controversy between whether it was any good or just okay (I don't think that many people even really disliked it).
I think most people do give reasons why they like/dislike something but these are sometimes intractable, which is fine unless some sort of competition develops and it becomes an 'immovable object and unstoppable force' act. Of course arguements based on taste and personal like/dislike can't really be won.
And then you get the odd person just saying something is sh*t which annoyes me even if they are having a go at a strip I don't like myself.
And sometimes people just like to have a bloody good moan.
At the end of the day if you want a more accurite view of the strip, the voting a series has got is the best indicator.
Oh well, if this post makes it seem as though I'm arguing with you, I'm not really. Your last post made perfect sense to me.
Cheers
paul
I must admit that I hate it when stories are pulled. Is Vanguard definitely off because I thought it was a great story - it linked in with a number of references to one of my favourite Meg series of all time: Malestrom - I really, really hope it will be back and soon.
Re: Henry Flint: I think that I have seen most of his artwork and yes i do think his best art was on the Venus Bluegenes story Stealth (circa "The Pit" era). That said I don't have anything against his current artwork - I think in places it is extremely good - one of my favourite scenes in 2000ad of late was the fleas getting killed - the expressions were perfect.
About Moaning - sorry Logan, I can see your point but I really do think you are wasting your time - people will complain - it is easier to find fault than praise - it is one of the unfortunate traits that people have. If it really upsets you maybe you could set up your own thread to have a more level-headed discussion about each prog each week. What do you think?
I also must admit to being tired of the Storming Heaven debate - I was the first to compare it to Zenith on this site on teh basis of the first episode - I still think it bares many similarities but I think that it will stand on it's own too feet as a future classic.
If anybody knows how I could contribute to the site in any other was - profiles etc - could they please e-mail me at:
davidtobin100@hotmail.com
I suppose this means Wake Logan , Scojo et al.
Thanks (rant will be shorter next time- I promise)
>Did you email Flinty features and did he tell you if his art is originally in colour or not?
I did indeed, but you may have to be patient for your answer, when it comes in I'll post it.
>I got a mad theory it's coloured by Chris Blythe and then turned into black and white.
Its mad alright,
La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Link: The Class Of '79
Does anyone remember mr Flints colour artwork on Rogue Trooper? It was the first time I'd seen his material, and I recall it to be some of his finest.