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Sigh, its happened again. Sorry chaps but its going to be a 12A.
So, a cinema experience of thinking "wonder what bits are cut?" and being wound up by the 6 year old sat next to you cause the parents couldn't be arsed to get a babysitter awaits.
Even if they put stuff back in for the DVD you'll not be seeing it on the big screen.
Mind you, that's working on the assumption that stuff has been cut. Could be that they've made it for a 12A audience and i reckon that'd be even worse

Robocop three all over again.

Yeah, didn't think of that - nice one Ratty

Reveiws say it's a half decent sequel, though very short. You often wonder how the characters get from A to B so quickly...apparently.
Still you can't blame the film company for wanting a low rating, what with the cost of the movie to recoop and Arnies less than stunning box office track of late.
Buy the Region 1 DVD it is then.

If it's cut it's not by the BBFC.

There was speculation that the rating would be higher, following the success of the matrix. What was the rating of T2, anyway? That was a successful budget busting movie, and it made bags of cash. I get the feeling that if this was a Cameron movie, they would have been more likely to take more of a risk, content wise. It looks as though they're worried that the old school Terminator and Arnie fans will stay away because of the new director, and they want to grab younger kids who never saw the previous movies but have heard that they were good.

I'll wait until the video comes out. After x2 and the Matrix, and now the Hulk, T3 will just seem a bit small fry to me.

Yeah, but my whole point is - if it has been cut to make it a 12A then why should you have to wait until the DVD to see the full version?
I'd want to see it on the big screen - preferably the first time i see it

I thought T2 was rated 15.

"I thought T2 was rated 15."

Certainly was.

Seen the trailers for T3, You can get them from the Quicktime Trailers site. One of them looks a bit promising, but all the rest look shite!
"She'll be back" ?!?  Anus!

Personally, I'm gonna wait for the DVD.

This news confuses me.According to sources i have read, T3 has been rated R in the states. As far as i know, it will be a first, if the u.k. has a lower rating than the u.s. If the film has been cut, maybe it was by the distributer, as in the cae of Daredevil.

In the old days of the snip-happy bbfc mid-80s to 90s you could always get away with much more violence when it was an obvious 'sf or fantasy' setting.

It's a real novelty going to see a 18 nowadays, knowing it's gonna be some sort of extremo-violent p0rn swear fest ;-)

I mean if Dog Soldiers did'nt get an 18 what have you got to do violence wise to get one?

The Terminator = 18
Terminator 2 = 15
T3 = 12a

Is that backwards or what?

If people (kids/teenagers) can 'handle' seeing the first 2 films (WHICH THEY SHOULD BEFORE SEEING THE THIRD ONE, GAH I HATE SPOILERS & THINGS BEING SHOWN IN THE WRONG ORDER BUT THAT'S JUST THE COMPLETIST IN ME) then why does the 3rd need to be dumbed down?

Idiots.

Terminator was re-rated as a fifteen on dvd with no cuts. Maybe they would both have been a 12A if they came out today, though they are quite heavy on the swearing.

Dyl

It'll be pants anyway. Have you seen the dodgy rubber legs shot in the trailer?

why does the 3rd need to be dumbed down?

Profit. You've hit on a panic scale there.

The Terminator = 18
Arnholt who?

Terminator 2 = 15
Arnie, dude!

T3 = 12a
Oh, him... again.

The BBFC still frowns upon stuff like cannibalism, blood on breasts, violence committed to and by kids, etc. but it does seem that tone and / or atmosphere is more likely to hike up a film's rating these days. My Little Eye, Ghost Ship, and Wrong Turn, none of which is especially gory, all received an 18 certificate; yet Final Destination 2, which is quite graphic in places, was a mere 15. But then, the BBFC are still pretty contrary about what is and isn't permissable.

Yeah sexual violence (which you see in My Little Eye) is still well dodgey.

Also use of the N word will get you an 18 no messing. And also prolific use of the C (there was some recent arty film about druggies that was aimed at teens that suffered from this.)F's don't seem to count these days.

Personally, I blame the toy manufacturers. If you bring out a range of toys for young children based on an adult film, Terminator, Aliens, Predetor etc, then those kids are going to want to see the film they're based on. Regardless of whether or not they are allowed to watch it.

At the end of the day, who cares? The trailers I've seen so far look _dire_. Do we really need another dull  uninspired Hollywood flick? Why can't they stop making sequels and actually innovate for a change?

In my opinion, the whole Terminator thing fell on its butt in T2 when Arnie became "the good guy". Also, didn't they stop the whole Skynet thing from happening anyway?

I can just imagine T4's intro: "And Skynet sent back a _fourth_ Terminator to try and kill John because the others had failed, and this one was a puppy with big spiky teeth than could morph into a thermonuclear missile"

My 10 year old son Daniel has been pestering me to death to let him watch Terminator, after he saw T2 at a friends the other day, but his mum Laura wont let him watch it.

I think that the whole certification system is now completely messed up with movies such as Jeepers Creepers and Darkness Falls both getting a 15 rating, and Wrong Turn coming in at 18, a movie I found lame by comparision to both of the aforementioned films.

Still just keep telling yourself 'Its only a movie!'Its only a movie!'Its only a movie!

Marc

I've seen terminator 3 on DVD (pirate) from dodgy dave at the car boot sale and while it is a good solid film, it seems to come across as Terminator 2 with better effects.

One of the aspects of T2 i enjoyed was the growth of the Terminatro to try and feel emotion thru Jon Connor yet in T3 they opt for a kind of in between Terminator (he's a good guy but with an attitude - as shown when he holds jon connor by the throat or throws Claire Danes into the back of a truck)

Maybe I was just wishing for T2 remastered but got T2 the kids version...

Nostaglia makes it worth seeing although it won't make u as excited as the original films but do many other films evoke the same thrill power as T2 did?

If only the t-1000 (liquid metal terminator) was in it...he'd have saved it...lol

Jamb

ok guys i have seen it
WAIT FOR THE DVD.
it sucks. big time. shallow story. rip of of T1 basically with rip off scenes of T1 and T2. right down to weapons and non killing of police officers.
nothing new or exciting and to be honest pretty dissapointing. every scene you have witnesed before in other movies from the car chase with a crane,( con air) to the bathroom bash up,(true lies) to the machine gun arnie (T2)
very sadly not even formula. more every one elses forumla not a single new specail. even the base looks like a scene from starship troopers and the flying robots are green goblin/spiderman make over scenes.
the final twist (they ripped off an old tooth future shock)
SPOILER
the machines are not the evil ones. its the soft ware which is the internet.it becomes sentiant and has links itself together as a consious mind.
taking over the machines to do its bidding.
T1 ground breaking stuff.
T2 ground breaking specail effects.
T3 BORING, no wonder james cameron said NO.

dont waste your hard earned dollars. get it on dvd at the rental shop.

>>I mean if Dog Soldiers did'nt get an 18 what have you got to do violence wise to get one?

Ichi the killer? Quite possibly the most violent sick movie ever made?

And still cut by over 3 minutes!

I wont be watching it for a whole other reason - JOHNATHON MOSTOW. this guy tried to re-write history in the abortion that is U571. Thats the film that made out the yanks found the enigma machine, not us brits. not to mention im from tamworth, where one of the guys who rescued the machine and lost his life in the process is from (the guys name was grazier). since then, i decided id never watch a film with his name attached again. guess how gutted i was when i found out the git was doing T3? but principles is principles.......

"Sigh, its happened again. Sorry chaps but its going to be a 12A. "

I mis-read this thread title on a quick scan and thought it meant Terminator 3 - Bill Hicks ...

Now there's a movie I would have paid good money to see ...

Cheers

Jim

I feel pretty much the same with Mike Figgis who produced the worst movie I've ever watched, called Leibestraum.  Heard he's made some good films since, but I'll never know for sure, because when I came out of the cinema, pissing myself laughing at the torment I'd just been through, I looked for the movie poster and who was responsible and swore a terrible oath that I'd NEVER knowingly watch anything by this arch twat ever again.

Terminator 2 was a big moment for me when I fell out of love with movie franchises.  I always thought there was some great plan at work with these things, but really it's just all bollocks.

Terminator, Aliens, Star Wars - all just a load of cobbled together toss really.  There isn't much left I've got any respect for.

Incidentally, I remember seeing the effects in Terminator 2 at the cinema, especially the walking skeleton droids in the future scene and thinking, wow, Harryhausen used the same effects for Jason and the Argonauts, this is fucking poor.

Sadly sequals to time-travel movies can only get exponentially more self referential.

Anyone fancy making a sequal to Silent Running so they can spoil it for me?

Battle Royale. 2 hours of Kids slaghtering each other. Fantastic.

Finnigan Sinister

abandon all hope, pvs.  Everything ever made will be remade only worse.  There is no escape!

yours dystopianly,

Floyd

The Thing. Only movie which springs to mind that's both a good remake and remains un-sequelled. Hope they leave it alone.

Good call Smiley.  The original story, the fifities movie, the eighties movie and the novelisation by Alan Dean Foster are all great.  Not played the computer game mind ;)

It's probably for the best Thing II has never been made.  Let's hope good old John doesn't feel the need to have a hit in the bank and resurrect it.

Well I'm no expert on Figgis' body of work (which seems arty but unintersting). However he does have the honour of making the most singularly depressing film I have ever seen, Leaving Las Vagas. Plot = Man decides to drink himself to death. And does.