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Yes, there is a sequel coming to FF7. And no, it isn't a game - it's the new movie! Square pictures went bust, but were bought out by another company (ENIX? something like that) And are making the above movie. I quote:

The movie is currently slated for a running time of 60 minutes, and is due out in the summer of 2004.

Final Fantasy: Advent Children is going to take place two years after Final Fantasy 7. It stars a much more realistic looking Cloud, Sephiroth (not clear whether he's a full character, or just a flashback), but sadly, for those who kept finding a way to bring her back to life, there's still no Aeris (You'll need Kingdom Hearts if you want to see her again).

Thats about all I've found, except... THE TRAILER!! It's all over the place on Kazaa, though I'm not sure where on the net. All I can say is this: Fans of the game - you remember the bit in the game where Sephiroth torches the town and walks through the flames? Well imagine that except of a quality that surpasses the first FF movie. Yes, that is in the trailer!!!

Oh, and Cloud has his big-ass sword, the one that's about 4 times the size of him..

WATCH IT!!

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Don't know about you, but I'm happy...

Hi, all

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And finally, it looks like the church from the slums is gonna be there, even if it's just a flashback to when Aeris was about:

AWESOME!

J-Bo-1

Incidentally, before anyone says anything, yes the Final Fantasy movie was awful - but that wasn't based on any game. This is one of the best games in the series (some would argue best, others would violently disagree) and is certainly the most popular, with a rip-roaring plot about genetic monsters, clones, immortal beings, violence, the earth trying to kill us all, and a lot of other excellent stuff.

And has Mr T in. Kinda.

Looks bloody awesome, just wish it was a game instead of a movie. The FF titles that followed FF7 were all progressively worse than the last, with FFX being one of the most nonsensical and linear games I've ever had the misfortune to play on.

Link: Square-Enix FF7 Site

But then wh ywould you want them to make a game? It might widdle all over the fantastic FF7's reputation. At least movies can be forgotten about. Told a mate this earlier and he freaked out (in a good way).
It's not something I ever thought I'd hear - MORE FF7!!! Going to the official site, the music made me feel all gooey again.

And there's a translation available by the way!

But the plot has one part of one page of detail devoted to it, and doesn't seem to have been translated properly - it's all abstract statements that don't quite make sense...

Ooh! That's purty!

you have no idea how happy this makes me! I'm gonna stick me neck out and say that i am perhaps the biggest final fantasy game fan ever, and a big nerdy expert on most of them too. (i keep saying 'game' cos i thought the film was a bit pants.)

I traded in my copy of the FF7 game to get FF8 a few years back(DOH!), and now i can't find a replacement copy anywhere. Can anyone advise?

Many golden chickens, comedy cacti and ultimate weapons to anyone who can! xTGx

I've got the PC version - you can have that if you like! Just email me

good luck trying to get FF7 on the PSone Tank Girl number 8's still available on the platinum label but FF7 is long gone, pitty its one of the most requested games on the PS1.  I actually didn't mind the movie had the main Final Fantasy element in it Gaia(seems to be main theme of all the games too)living planets and stuff like that I just think it should of been live action rather than CGI it would of suited it better IMO.
I thought everyone died at the end of FF7(all the humans anyway) except RedXI or whatever his name  was and he  and his kind inherited the planet or some such thing, still been years since I saw the end and I could be getting it mixed up with another game.  

CU Krestel

anyone else think that FFX2 is gonna blow, sounds like they've turned it into a pre-teens wet dream. All fe-male characters(No prob with that), CHANGING cloths to do different jobs mid battle(oh look just like Barbie), yeah I wanna see Yuna changing into a different dress rather than summoning big kick arse beasties, action platformy jumping bits....Hope this is all just rumour.

CU Krestel

At the end of FF7, everyone in Midgar was killed. The rest of the planet was fine. The heroes retired to live normal, luxurious lives or similar. Think ur just getting confused.

ep, FFX2 sounds like its been turned into a pre-teen's wet dream. All except the platform stuff is definitely not rumour. And the platforming is probably true too! Not judging yet, but...

thanks for clearing up the end for us Bony, it was years ago that I last played it....will reserve judgement on FFX2 for the moment but definatly wont be pre-ordering it till I get a bit of play time on it...why couldn't they just do FFVII2, guess the movie will have ta do

CU Krestel

They were going to do FFVII 2 apparently, shortly after it became the biggest selling RPG ever, but the stuck with their 'no sequels to FF games' policy in the end. Then decided not to with X because they want money. How irritating.

I never finished FF7. Can I have a full ri=undoen of what happened in the plot?

Sorry, I meant to say "rundown"

Ok, this is gonna be loooong and confusing...
SPOILERS!!!
Please don't complain that it sound scrap or something, I'm trying my best, and you have to play the game to understand it.
I'll try to include all the characters, important or not. Someone else read through and correct me when I'm wrong, it's a few years since I played it.

Cloud Strife, a mercenary for hire, was recruited by an environmental terrorist group called Avalanche. They are based in the furutistic mechanical city Midgar, a city which has a ground section composed of slums, and an elevated plate on huge stilts that eclipses the slums, keeping natural light permentantly out. The centre of the raised plate is taken up the headquarters of Shin-Ra, a corporation which Avalanche are fighting against. They are killing the planet, in ways I'll explain in a minute. Shin-Ra dominate the planet, and the CEO is the most powerful man alive (not physically, but he doesn't need to be. He has armies at his disposal)

The planet they live on (a version of Earth) naturally produced 'Mako', a natural, pure, uncontaminated form of magic. This is being extracted by Shin-Ra through Mako reactors for power. It is this (along with general mechanisation and industrialisation) that is killing the planet. There are a LOT of rumours surrounding the reactors, to do with supernatural occurences, but this is mainly superstition.

Where Mako energy naturally concentrates, it forms solid crystilisations known as Materia. When people use materia, they can summon magical abilities, such as fireballs etc, and even summon demons. Shin-Ra have a special division known as SOLDIER who are trained to use Materia in battle. Cloud was in SOLDIER, and he fought alongside the greatest SOLDIER agent ever - a man whose deeds have passed into legend - Sephiroth.

Getting back to the game action, Cloud and Avalanche blow up a reactor within Midgar. Retreating to their headquarters, Barrat (the leader of Avalanche) introduces Cloud to his daughter, and Tifa, another member of Avalanche who Cloud knew as a child (presumably how Avalanche contacted Cloud. They go after another reactor the next day, but it goes wrong when a new mako-powered robot comes to fight them as a retaliation from Shin-Ra. Everyone manages to escape in the usual manner, except Cloud, who falls from the top plate into the slums. He is presumed dead.

Cloud wakes up in a church in the slums, to find the soft roofing and a flowerbed have broken his fall. He is being tended to by Aeris, a beautiful flower girl who has a mysteriously calming, natural effect. It seems to be her presence that allows flowers to grow in the middle of a building, totally cut off from natural light or water. Unfortunately, soldiers arrive to capture Cloud, led by the Turks, an elite 'special branch' of Shin-Ra's army. They dress in suits, and take care of all the.... unsavoury jobs. Cloud and Aeris climb to the top of the church and escape over the rooftops.

They get back to Avalanche headquarters eventually (after a bizarre sequence with Tifa which involves Cloud dressing as a woman and trying to whore himself out) only to find that Shin-Ra have decided that the only way to rid themselves of Avalanche is to collapse one of the plates of the upper layer (it is seperated into pie slices, each held by a tower) and crush everyone in that sector of the slums underneath.

After a fierce battle, the Turks succeed in blowing up the tower, and only Barret, Tifa, Cloud and Aeris are alive. The other members of Avalanche are dead. Barrat Swears he will kill the CEO, and so they climb to the top plate, on debris alone. They fight their way to the top of the Shin-Ra building, eventually confronting the CEO in his office at the top of the building. Unfortunately, they are surprised by the Turks, and imprisoned. Tey awake to find that their doors are open, and there is a trail of blood along all the floors. Everyone seems to be dead. Aeris isn't there, and they find her in another room. They encounter a bizarre, psychotic scientist called HoJo, who tries to experiment on Aeris by trapping her in a glass cage with a red animal (like a tiger) who chases her. Unfortunately, Barrat and crew turn up and shoot the cage, which fills with smoke, and when the door opens for ventilation, the creature mauls Hojo, though doesn't kill him. It apologies, and introduces itself as Red XIII, only having pretended to fight Aeris as a cunning subterfuge. Together, they follow the blood back to the CEO's office.

To find him dead! With a HUGE-ass sword sticking out of him. Cloud recognises it as Sephiroth's sword, which only Sephiroth could wield. Only one problem with that - Sephiroth died years ago. While the everyone tries to escape before more troops show up, Cloud remains at the top of the building to fight Rufus, the son of the CEO who now owns the comapny. Easy fight by the way.

They escape using exhibits of antiquated vehicles (everyone in a big van, except Cloud, who uses a kick-ass motorbike) and get out of the city. Outside the city walls, they realise that there isn't any going back. They must keep going, and try to find Sephiroth. Aeris feels a strange pull, so they decide to follow her instincts too. There is a shin-Ra plot brewing in the west, so they travel there. On the way, we learn that Cloud and Tifa were childhood sweethearts, and it is this that allows her to persuade him to tell them about the time he returned to his home town with Sephiroth when he was in SOLDIER. There were reports of monsters coming from the local reactor, so they were sent to shut it down, or kill the monsters. Unfortunately, Sephiroth discovered something bizarre, and started spouting strange nonsense about his life, and Shin-Ra, and Hojo, and then locks himself in the mansion for months. Cloud doesn't know what to do, but just as he decides to find out what's going on, Sephiroth gives him an explanation. In the basement library, Sephiroth explains about a secret Shin-Ra experiment to clone an 'Ancient'. The Ancients were a race of people who existed before humans, totally advanced in every way, totally peaceful, and ultimately powerful. They managed to clone a monstrosity which they named Jeneva. From that, they cloned a LOT of super-soldiers, attempts to make an ultimate warrior, with the power of the ancients, and totally loyal to Shin-Ra. Sephiroth is that warrior. Or so he thinks. He makes no attempt to hide the fact that he is now utterly insane, and he actually FLIES out of the mansion. By the time Cloud catches up, the damage is done

Every house in the village is burning. The whole place has been totally destroyed. Almost everyone is dead. Sephiroth walks through the flames, totally unaffected, and heads for the reactor (which isn't a reactor at all, but the base for the Jeneva project - which contains the original creature). Tifa and Cloud pursued.

Sephiroth attacks Tifa, almost killing her, ad enters the centre of the reactor. Cloud squares up to him as he attempts to leave with Jeneva, but can't understand why he is left alive.

Back to the present. Armed with these facts, the team press on, and manage (eventually, after several attacks by the Turks) to leave the continent and head west.

Eesh, I have to go! I'mm super-speed the rest

Sephiroth decides that only he and Jenova are worthy of the earth, and Aeris turns out to be the last Ancient alive. Not for long, as Sephiroth sttabs her, killing her, just as she realises what he is going to do and, more importantly, how to stop him. Avalanche learn that the planet absorbs people's souls when they die, their life-force, and it is manifested in all living things, trees, plants, animals etc, and whenever something dies, it simply returns to the planet.

Unfortunately, Shin-Ra are killig the planet by sucking out the life-force (mako) so the planet respons by activating the Weapons. Ruby, Emerald, Diamond and Ultimate Weapon. Monsters who basically kill and destroy until enough life force is returned to the planet!! Sephiroth gets his hands on Black materia, and casts Meteor - basically a spell that summons a massive meteor to destroy the planet. And also, Shin-Ra have built a HUGE gun, powered by Huge Materia, in an attempt to stop Sephiroth. All it actually does is blow up one of the weapons, and make them more powerful - nothing can stop Sephiroth.

Cloud learns that he was NEVER in SOLDIER. He was simply a guard who went with Sephiroth and a guy called Zack to the village he grew up in as backup. He was a shlub. When Zack was killed by Sephiroth in the reactor, Cloud picked up his sword and pretended to everyone that he was the same guy, and got so caught up in this fantasy that he believed it himself. Realising it's a lie crushes him, and he breaks down. He also discovers that he is a Jenova clone - a failed one! All the clones gather together, and Sephiroth arrives. The one that they've all seen so far isn't Sephiroth, just another clone. Sephiroth is dead, and suspended between the Life Force and this world.

So they have to stop Shin-Ra, stop the Weapons, and kill Sephiroth, then somehow stop a meteor larger than the planet craching ino them.

First things first. They kill all the immediate wWeapon threats (to kill them all takes literally hundreds of hours of playtime, and even when your characters are as powerful as it's possible to get, it's a big fight which you often lose) and with this threat out of the way, go after Shin-Ra.

  Hojo injects himself with Jenova DNA and mutates, but they kill him, and Rufus, and the Turks if you want to play it like that. It is possible to make peace with the Turks if you like. With Shin-Ra destroyed, they need to figure out how to stop Sephiroth. Cloud realises the answer - White Materia. But it doesn't exist.... or does it? They return to where Aeris died, rushing against the clock, and find that before she was killed she created White materia from the Mako in the Ancient's city. Taking this to the Crater in the North, where Sephiroth is, they fight him, and cast Holy using the white Materia. The meteor is stopped, just. Though it utterly obliterates Midgar and everyone in it in the process. The world becomes a slightly better place, and the healing begins.

Ok, I skipped at least 50 different plot strands, and missed out the middle section of the game. Trust me, to get this game properly you HAVE to play through it, and explore as much of it as possible. One of the most rewarding video games ever.

Sorry that was so garbled!!

The Turks were by far the best characters in the game, and it was quite funny to find them relaxing in a couple of bars throughout the game.

However, I thought that Midgar survived (Aeris summoned lifeforce at the last minute), but that it was simply abandonned.

Also, where did Sephiroth's power come from - Jenova or the lifestream? We know that he was infused with the alien Jenova's cells, but in the flashback we see cloud throw him into the lifestream (after which I assume he winds up in the north). So was he originally given superpowers from Jenova, and did he get even more from absorbing power from the lifestream?

I only got as far as Cloud's village. A damn fine game. All the others following it paled in comparison, even though i completed them.

Ok, Sephiroth's power came from the Lifestream AND Jenova. As the original one was 'dead', he had access to all the power the lifestream contained, and also he had the power that Jenova's 'Ancient' qualities granted him. Plus he had spent hours levelling up ;)

Midgar was pretty much levelled, killing pretty much everyone there. What Aeris did just saved the rest of the planet. This led to some fanboys saying mankind was wiped out (obviously not ture now) and generally confusing people. It was THEN abandoned, as people didn't rebuild it. They let the mechanisation and Shin-Ra die.

"I thought everyone died at the end of FF7(all the humans anyway) except RedXIII"

Red's grandfather says that humans MIGHT be wiped of the face of the planet, what holy does is take away all the badness, i think.  it's up to the planet to decide whether mankind if a threat or whether the actions of shinra reflect mankind as a whole or not.  The very last sound you ill hear in the gave once the FF7 logo has come up for the last time, is children laughing, telling you that mankind has survived.  The reason you don't see any in the epiloge is probably because the midgar area is deserted.

oh, by the way, give yourself a pat on the back, Dribbles, i didn't think the game could be summed up as briefly as that.

Also, am i the only one gutted that it won't be another game.  Truely FF7 was a god above games, a sequel would be bloody brilliant

Thanks! But I have missed a ton... Holy does, as you say, remove ALL threats to the planet, which takes care of Meteor, but since Shin-Ra are responsible for the planet's situation, it seems likely that humans will be taken out too. But there are several comment sthat 'say it ain't so' and as you say, at the end, you hear children laughing. And, most tellingly, the movie is set 2 years later!!

You aren't alone Jen, I always wanted another game - it was truely a godly game. But I think that if you've played FF7, the movie will ROCK. Plot details:

As far as I can tell from the (bad) translation, there is a plague of some sort, which is linked to activity in the Northern Crater. the heroes of FF7 have been living lives of relative luxury, but are forced to investigate. Cloud is contacted by a group of soldiers, one of who bears a STRIKING resemblance to.... Well, guess who?

And is seen in the trailer going to a man in a wheelchair, who can't move, covered in a shawl. He crouches, and looks up, and as he does so, his face melds PERFECTLY with the Sephiroth clip above. He's back, baby. Somehow!!

What I'd like to see is this being part of a new adventure, which seems to end but obviously has more to it, which is then continued in a new game. Why should FFX get a sequel and not the GOOD FF game???

Ok, rant over. Another few things I forgot to mention in FF7 that are important. Tifa and Cloud get together, Clod is controlled by Sephiroth for a while (and also gets turned into a vegetable for a bit and needs to be wheeled round). There's a strange vampire type called Vincent, and an oriental type called Yuffie, both of whom have sub-plots. Each character has dozens of different sideplots, many of which meld together. There's a space pilot called Cid too, and a weird cat balanced on a robot which turns out to be a Shin-Ra robot which helps them in the end, called Cait Sith.

There was a boss called The Materia Keeper who has no bearing on the game, but the first time I played it I ran from almost every fight, and when I reached him I was at level; 14 and just got utterly obliterated. He was easy if you were at normal level.

I'll be quiet now. I love FF7!!! Anyone who wants to talk further, email me...

Well the fact that they are making a sequel of sorts says that people survived...duh... was dense of me.

But is you-know-who is back, i hope he isn't the bad guy, i love tourchered, anti-hero's, and he'd be perfect for that, i was always kind of gutted they didn't do that with him, and that we found out the truth about his past, but he never will, or will he?  I almost didn't want to kill him off in the end...or maybe i'm just being an emotional woman...

Wouldn't mind seeing aeris back, either, there's so much evidence to suggest she wouldn't have satayed dead...what am i saying, technically, she isn't dead dead, only her body is in death, but her spirit returned to the planet...

did tifa and cloud anctually get it together, there was just a lot of gazing into each others eyes and having sad conversations.

Challenge:  a hundred creds to the person who can guess what the promised land is.

There is a suggestion that the spend the night together on the 'Last Night'.

Sephiroth is cool. He would be an EXCELLENT anti-hero type as you say. Unfortunately in the trailer you very clearly see a big-ass fight with Cloud. Several times.

Aeris was originally meant to be regenerated in FF7 but they changed it with the plot, so it's totally possible she'll be back for AC.

Ok, not answering anymore points - ppl with questions like that, email me! I need to eat!!

Go eat then, but if you were seph would you pass up the chance to beat the crap out of that cloud tosser?

I'm back! And with food... Cloud irritated me, but I've grown to love to little mite. He kicks the crap out of Squall and the rest. He's the msot in touch with his feelings etc, so most likeable, but at the same time you just KNOW he'd kick the crap out of anyone who got in his way!

But Sephiroth was BETTER

This sums up my Experience of the Final Fantasy Games... I much preferred Zelda (or Dragonriders of Pern - did I mention what a great game that was ;) )

I liked the FF movie though (and am looking forward to this one) - does this make me weird?

    Steve

Link: http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/ff7.htm

well, i've only seen the film once, so i think that makes me weirder...i enjoyed it okay.  fair to say the animation was top notch, and some of the themes i liked, but didn't find the plot hugely gripping.  but who cares, it made for good desk top wall papers.  ff7 on the other hand - the plot was the best thing about it, so if they are making a film, i'm not sure how confident i am in their ability to tie up loose ends and progress the characters in the space of...what...and hour and a half?  Though i am happy to be proven wrong in this case.

Whut up G's...
 U can bring aeris back if you have a gold chocobo. Easier with one of those cheat cartridges whose name has escaped me due to rum.. there's a long winded but fun way of doing it without, and it's late and there's rum, so just post if you need to know how 'kay?!
This is one subject i can actually help with!Yaaay!
Any questions from FFIV to FFXI (but keep the latest ones simple!)

Weapon hassles: Final attack materia (to be paired with mastered revive) is available @ the chicken races. You have to beat the guy in the stupid hat in S class quite a bit, but it will show up. Then whoever has the materia equiped will just come back to life if they get killed off

This is fun! You guys/gals rule!

luv, ultimate tanky

hmph... I got a Golden Chocobo and I never got Aeris back... Sure it isn't another reprogrammy thing like them cheat cartridges do? The entire Final Fantasy community seems to agree that there's no 'legal' way to bring aeris back once she's gone. It's that simple. But I could be wrong - I often am...

it might be one of those thinks where you get her back, but it doesn't effect the game in any way, coz i know you can get sephiroth on your team but the game still plays as normal and you fight him in the centre of the earth.  am not holding out high hopes but it's a nice thought.  the character had potential to develope into a great character before they sliced open her insides...

it might be one of those things where you get her back, but it doesn't effect the game in any way, coz i know you can get sephiroth on your team but the game still plays as normal and you fight him in the centre of the earth.  am not holding out high hopes but it's a nice thought.  the character had potential to develope into a great character before they sliced open her insides...

She did, bu tthey did the right thing I think - the reason it was such a shock and so sad was that we could SEE that she was gonna develop. The Sephiroth thing - I don't know much about it. I heard that in the Japanese version it was possible to get one of Hojo's clones of Sephiroth on your team (though they didn't have any plot or anything, and weren't referred to much) which sounds like what you're saying, but that it was then removed from the PAL version. One of my mates went ultra-obsessive with the game and got just about everything, so if he didn't find it, it probably ain't there....

I'm trying to find a link to an essay (of sorts) written (supposedly) by the guy who started the Aeris revival rumours. After pretending to be a translator for the European version, he basically drew on flaws in a beta tester that got released.

Things in the beta tester included the path to reviving Aeris (the entrance is still in the graphics, but is unreachable), and the Silver underwater Choccobo (included prior to the inclusion of the Shin-Ra submarine).

Other ommissions from the final game for time constraints were a boost materia (replaced by the x2 and x3 weapons), and the Air materia (you were supposed to have the Aero spell, used against you by a number of monsters).

Codes are aailable to get Aeris and Sephiroth in your team, but Sephiroth is just the uncontrolable flashback Sephiroth, and Aeris is just an earlier Aeris, and is just a hack.

Wierder rumours I have heard are...
Steal Lord Godo's underpants, take them to the Wutai chocobo tracks, and get a wooden Choccobo

Master 8 Knights of the Round materia, insert into the Ultima Weapon, and it becomes excalibur.

Complee the game, killing enemies only with limit breaks and you get to replay the game as a new character.

There's more, but I can't remember them right now.

By the way, I'm glad that Aeris couldn't be revived, an integral part of the plot was that all of the characters were forced to make a sacrifice on their journey - Aeris made the ultimate one in the eyes of the others, though she knew that she would not truely die.

The promised land was a field of pure mako...i think

anyway what always stick in my mind about ff7 was that music when you fought sephiroth at the end especially if he catches you with supernova with that playing in the background brrr

She can be revived, i'm telling you!!! I have done it without a cheat cartridge, and i'm pretty sure i had a regular, normal copy of said game!

The entrance of which u speak, Jacob is damn fiddly, reachable only by golden chicken and u need to have visited some holy places, and have Great Gospel limit break.... I just mailed the solution as i remember it to VampiraJen, so maybe she'll tell u if it works! By the way, Jen if i left something out and it doesn't, i'm really really sorry!

Steal Godo's underpants? eeeeeww!

Were any of the subsequent villains in Final Fantasy anywhere near as evil or genuinely terrifying as Sephiroth? Let's see what we had, FF 8, an underdressed sorceress, FF9, that girly bloke who had no clothes on, and in FF10, a stupid whale thing, who later turned out to be the main character's dad.

Sephiroth is by far the best videogame villain ever.

Ah don't forget Seymour the pain in the ass who would never die in ffx

No, Seymour is a stupid ponce who was about as scary as a kiddies fairground ride.

Too true now Garland there was a ff villian

what about kefka?

but i guess having a cool fmv in which you smile wickedly surrounded by flames payes dividends to your evil-cred

sephiroth is the best tho'.
and i bet no-one knew that seymour's hair is, in fact, NOT hair, but wire coat hangers twisted about a bit and painted blue.

who is seymour?  I've bought soe of the early games which have been re-released recently, but have not had a chance to play much of them so far.

and it is tragically true about all bad guys who came after seph, weak all of them.

Seymour is a purple-haired ponce who u get to slap silly on several occasions.
Technically: Seymour is a religious leader gone bad, leader of a race known as the Guado and a right slimy bast*rd!
Ultimate baddie eh?  I vote Kefka, Sephirioth, and Sin the demon fish. In that order. Kuja has had a new hairdo and a couple tattoos, and now has a promising career fronting the Darkness.
Tank boy has just informed me that i look like cloud. Think Bou'd make me a sword? Is Tank boy asking for a slap? tune in next week.....

Who's the best hero? In my opinion it was Vivi from FF9...

Didn't Vivi used to be in He-man? He was great tho, the black mages were a wicked concept altogether. My faves are Lulu, Zell/Sabin, Auron (for his fantastically cheesy fightin' talk)and cloud for being twitchy.
The most annoying award goes to Yuffie, Gau, Eiko and Steiner.

Oh, Auron was GOOD!! Yeah... I only got him to say my favourite thing twice in the game. On his Limit Break - 'Pray. Now.'

heh! 'Some can't WAIT to die"

who is seymour? I've bought soe of the early games which have been re-released recently, but have not had a chance to play much of them so far.

He was in FFX, to clarify a bit. He was ok, very nasty bugger, and you got to kick seven shades of shiv out of him several times. But he could take it for reasons I'd better not go into...

I'm still undecided on whether or not Rikku was an interesting character or just plian annoying. Squall Leonhart was an irritating miseryguts. i was never like him when I was a teenager...

Steiner ruled!!!! Eiko is by far the most irritating...

Your pain shall be twofold!!!

My fave has and always will be Gilgamesh from ff5 and who made a brief return in 8

"He was in FFX, to clarify a bit"

I've only played the demo of ffx.  it looked okay, but not enough to convince me.  Should i buy and some point in the future?

i've spent a few moments wracking my brain over my favorite hero...and i'm drawing up blanks...out of all of the many good guys out there i can't pick a favorite.

I guess terra in ff6.  there's a line where she says something along the lines of "but then again i'm not noral..." which is kind of deep for an early ninties computer game.I liked the turks in ff7, especially reno, again for a good line which was "someone who sacafices their life for their job isn't a hero but a fool."

Oh, i know!  RedXIII.  Because he is something different, because the artwork on him makes him look stunning and because he's so intelligent.  Except...if he's the last of his kind, where did those cubs come from at the end...?

"The most annoying award goes to Yuffie"

I actually liked her but maybe because she annoyed the hell out of everyone else:)
Most annoying one award...?  Cait Sith!  What was the bloody point of him?  And what was with the crappy limit breaks???

FFX is by far the most linear of the games, but the plot is pretty cool. Much better than 8s, and a bit bette characters. I nejoyed it more than 8 and 9 overall, but the linear nature of it really ticked me off...

I hated ffx due to the causual snuffing out of my fave character at the end....

Yeah, but without spoiling, that had to happen really, didn't it? It's kind of hinted at all the way through.
Sorry that was vague! It's v difficult to make my point without adding a spoiler!
I'd definitely get ffx, jen. It's got the best story since ff7 and some of the best characters. I'd have to agree with mr dribbles too, tho. It's very, very linear, and u don't get to wander around under your own steam til near the end of the game. That spoiled things for me first time i played, but i still like to repeat it occasionally, cos it is a v cool game!

Well, I just started playing FF7 the other day. I'm only at the Wall Market, and I'm still discovering new dialogue. How many games have this level of replay value?

FF7's best feature was that, unlike later FF games, it had one big villain from the outset, and the game was one long chase quest. FF8 had three baddies, the big one revealed only on disc 3! This totaly defeated any kind of objectivity and tension. The same happened with FF9. I couldn't be bothered with 10.

True, and this is one of the great things about 10. You're trying to kill a weird-ass big evil whale (it isn't really but telling what it is would just give stuff away)

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There's Seymour who pops up, but he's just a distraction. There's also the... 'thing' that is responsible for Sin, but that's kinda minor in a way too, as it isn't exactly sentient

"the reason it was such a shock and so sad was that we could SEE that she was gonna develop"

It's true that she was developing from fragil uncertain young woman into knowing who she is and that she is the only one who can save the planet (mind it was her who summoned holy, not cloud, et al) Her death continues becomes even more sadder as time goes on when tifa says:  "She talked about the future more than any of us...I think Aeris looked forward to tomorrow and the future more than anyone...She must've had many, many dreams..."

however...

i always had this belief that she knew she would died (in the not really dead kind of a way), which makes her sacrifice all the braver, but if she does indeed know this, why is it that the last thing she says is 'i'll come back when it's all over'  The last image you see is of her opening her eyes and looking at you, which is almost identical to the first time you see her.



If you're really, really interested in reading more deeply into the story of ff7 and the hidden plots and a look at the main characters, proof that holy did in fact save their lives then check this out, it'll really get you thinking:

http://biphome.spray.se/indish/analys.htm


(a wee example from this site:
'Remember what Aeris says about the Promised Land, "You don't 'know' where the Promised Land of the Ancients is. You search and travel until you feel it. Like you just know, '...this is the Promised Land.'"  The Promised Land is not a place, but something you find in your heart. When Cloud is snapped back into reality at the end of the game, he says to Tifa, "I think I'm beginning to understand. An answer from the planet...The Promised Land...I think I can meet her there."')

"I just mailed the solution as i remember it to VampiraJen, so maybe she'll tell u if it works! By the way, Jen if i left something out and it doesn't, i'm really really sorry!"

Actually, i can't figure out how to get to mount gea.  i've gone up there with gold chocobo, i've tried walking up, but that bloke won't let me.  Any suggestions?

Try it on the world map. I managed to get in from the top

Oh yeah and i would like to point out that the favourite character that died from ten wasn't well...oh screw this

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Auron it was Auron the ultimate bad ass in the game i mean who cares about that loser tidus anyway?

To be perfectly frank, a sequel explaining the freaky 'where is tidus' thing, and with the girls in, just doesn't appeal to me much AT ALL. I'd rather have had Auron in one. He was a VERY strong character - one of the best badasses in recent media.

A prequal which had you following braskas pilgrimage with auron as the main character would have been more appealing that yunas angels

advent children update, for anyone who cares:




spoiler alert!  spoiler alert!

Awooga-awooga!

spoiler alert!  spoiler alert!






it isn't really sephiroth, it's clones...


aeris has been seen, like seph, in flashbacks only (of her burial)

there's a dude in a white cloak, identity unknown....

the action looks wicked, tifa vs one of the clones, cloud vs anoth on his motor bike.

cid, red, yuffie, barret, rude, reno, vincent all there.  thank fcuk there is no sign of cait sith...


i is officially pissing myself.

Link: what's known so far...

My tuppenceworth in a nutshell...

FF7 is the best of the series *EVER*.

There are "cheats" (easier solutions) and *LOADS* of cool stuff hidden throughout the game and I know them all. I'm not telling you what they are though. ;) I will rather tauntingly say that the best weapon for one team member can only be acquired if you have that character set as a team member when you pass through a certain area. Sneaky eh.


Nonchalant whistle.

The trailer for FF7 is still one of the most impressive trailers for a game (and in my opinion better than many film trailers) ... *EVER*

Sephiroth is the coolest villain in the series... *EVER*



The Highwind is the coolest transport in the whole of history... (all together now) *EVER*. Tiny Bronco's kinda dinky though.



Cid Highwind is the coolest character in the entire game, but strangely under-acknowledged.



Aeris (or Aerith depending on your game version)lives on in the Lifestream. Proof of this comes at the end with the hand that's first seen reaching for Cloud before it cuts to the view of Tifa offering hers. The first hand does not have Tifa's fingerless glove on.

That's all for now folks!

I remember being mad into this at the time it came out, and even replayed it to get the Aeris' ghost thing to come up - but FF8 was better.


(runs for cover)

WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Ooh, it's looking good isnt it?!
Who's the guy in the wheelchair then??? My money's on Hojo
Cant wait!

yup, my money is on hojo, coz it would explain wherte the clones have come from.  unless it's jenova slightly shrunk from the last time we say her............

Looks fucking fantastic, ive always loved ff7, but the last ff movie was crap, i hope this is better.

Original Sephiroth (not a clone) my guess is the one seen in that cave in ff7 is a diliberate fake

I expect the dodgy wheelchair guy in the trailer could be the original...

and on an uncharacteristically girly note, i am going to HAVE to steal cloud's hairdo!

So, those guys with white hair could be Jenova clones as well. There were a few more pods at that facilty weren't there?
Hmm... some sort of calling together of the bits of Jenova eh?
Still, as long as Cid's in it, it'll be great. I mean, it isn't Final Fantasy if it doesn't have a Cid.

I like the idea of the return of Lucretia, it would at least give Vincent a reason to return. I doubt that it's Hojo - he was pretty much written off, and was never a particularly interesting character anyway.
We never did know what happened to Sephiroth after cloud Omni-slashed him at the end of the game. A theory was that the final Sephiroth was him without Jenova (ie powerless), and that was why the final battle was such a walkover. Maybe he's crippled and trying to regain the power that cloud took away from him.

Or maybe it's something new...

Maybe he's crippled and trying to regain the power that cloud took away from him.

the sephiroth you fought for most of the game was not seph, but jenova in his form.  the real seph is at the centre of the planet cocooned in the lifestream.  when you got a wide shot of him, he had no legs.....hence possible use for a wheelchair.....

No, no, no, no, no, NO!

There really is no need for this movie.

There really is no need for this movie.


what???  the end of ff7 could qualify for shitest ending ever.  you don't find out what really happenes, you don't really find out if your fight throughout the whole game has produced the desired effect and you don't find out what happens to the characters, where they go from there, how the go one with their lives, they people they become.  you sort of do with cloud, maybe with tifa, but the rest of them just kind of faded away into the background....i WANT to see them again.  you become so atatched to the characters and then they just dissapear in a flash of light, never to be seen again - what kind of an ending is that? i want to find out more, though i fear that once again, everyone but cloud will fade into the background and will be there purely for fighting.


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>you don't really find out if your fight throughout the whole game has produced the desired effect and you don't find out what happens to the characters, where they go from there, how the go one with their lives, they people they become.

Same as any other story since the dawn of man. What's wrong with an ending that doesn't slap you down and say "LOOK! THIS IS THE WAY IT IS!"?

>i want to find out more, though i fear that once again, everyone but cloud will fade into the background and will be there purely for fighting.

So you're saying that this movie won't actually further the story on, and we won't "find out what happens to the characters, where they go from there, how the go one with their lives, they people they become."

It's just pandering to fans in the worst way possible. It's just so unnecessary.

So you're saying that this movie won't actually further the story on, and we won't "find out what happens to the characters, where they go from there, how the go one with their lives, they people they become."

no, i hope it will, i fear it wont.


It's just pandering to fans in the worst way possible. It's just so unnecessary.


you could claim the same about ff2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, SW, 10-2, 11, and anything that will come after.  i think with ff7 fans there is a genuine curiousity about this film and what lies beyond the end of ff7.  but i apologise if i came across and nuts and shout-y

okay, so ignored the spoiler alerts  ----   oh, my god!!!!!!!!!!!!   i is officially pishing myself with excitement!!!  i must see this!!!!





warning!!!!!!!!!!!!!  SPOILERTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!

Link: WARNING!!!  SPOILER ALERT

Still, as long as Cid's in it, it'll be great


undecided..........

also, seriously loving the look of the cities.  trying to figure out where this is.  fountain, so first guess would be nibleheim, but it's to industrial.  and midgar was destroyed and abandoned.............

it aint a fountain, it's a statue memorial thing of meteor crashing into midgar.  midgar, mark 2 then?


i'm going to stop now.   really.

Link: Advent Children.net

Jen, you rule! --:D

p.s.  rereading the thread i remembered our ffx talk.  i have since bought the game, and it does indeed rock.  freaked it will be too short, but enjoying very much.  they talk!  and auron rocks.  i thought he would be dodge anti-hero in very crappy way, but hers cool.  and i finally won a game of blitzball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hi, new guy here. it was said earlier in this thread that someone has actually revived Aeris. do you remember how? i would really like to keep playing her.i'm at the bone digging site right now, abotu to go into the forest before she gets skewered.

Nah, mate, it's just a pile, that story.  Once Aeris is dead, she doesn't reappear in the game outside an appearance as a ghost (depending on how you play the game beforehand).

Link: For all your gaming needs.

no, i think it was tankgirl who said that she broght her back to life and has the saved data as so.

tanky sent the following to me a while back, but i couldn't get it to work:



First up, u need to have the Great Gospel limit break. There's a cave near Junon with a sleeping man in it who tells u how many battles u fought. Speak to him when the last two digits match (188, 233 etc) and he'll wake up and give u a piece of mythril. Take this to the weapon seller near Gongaga (where u find out about the keystone) and exchange it for what's in the
small box.

Ok. Now u have to visit three 'holy places' in order:

1. The church in the slums. Go to the midgar gate on disc 3 to find a bloke who's lost his key. Go to the excavation site in Bone Village and tell the foreman ur after 'normal treasure'. Place hired bods around the top level, and they should point to where the key is buried. This might take a couple goes, i think it moves! When u have the key, u can enter Midgar thru the gate and reach the church. By the altar/ flower bed bit, u should see Aeris' ghost rise thru the church. One down!
2. Temple of the ancients. Or, the big hole in the ground where it was.
Again, u should see Aeris' ghost float up once u get there.
3. This is the awkward bastard! The recovery spring in the Gaea cliffs.
For this u need a gold chocobo. If u re-visit the chocobo sage in the mountains to the east of the crater a few times, he'll give u pointers and sell u quality chicken food. But here's how it's done. Wild chocobos come in different 'qualities' First u need a 'great' chocobo from around Mideel, and a 'good' one from the tracks near the gold saucer. A boy and a girl, cos u need to breed them. Choco Billy at the stables near Kalm town will tell u how good they are. Once u have ya chickens, top up their stats by feeding them Tantal greens, and race them at the Gold Saucer until they're both S class racers. Now u need a Carob nut. U can steal these from monsters called Vlakorados near Bone village. Breed ya chickens and u'll get a blue or green one. U need a blue and a green, again S class racers, and another carob nut to breed a black chicken. Once u have a black chocobo, u need to catch a 'wonderful' chocobo from around icicle inn to breed with it. Train 'em up and steal a Zeio nut from a Goblin on the small island to the north of the chocobo ranch. When u breed these two, u should have a gold chocobo.
Nearly there!Now u have a gold chicken, u can access the Gaea cliffs form the top. It's a bit fiddly, as there's only one spot u can dismount ur chicken, (just inside the crater after the barrier has been destroyed) and it's even harder to get ur chicken back afterwards, so make sure u've done all the other gold chocobo stuff 1st. Another ghost of Aeris will rise when u touch the spring.
Finally, return to the church in the slums. Aeris will be praying by the flower bed! She'll also be level 99, and u can give her an ultimate limit break which makes the whole party invincible.

hey new guy! Yes i did manage to get that to work, but as a helpful bod here pointed out, umm that turned out to be a US version. So I'm a bit of a plank basically! Unless you're in the us of course...
xTGx

ah....oh, well......:(

yea i'm in the us and have us version. i'll try that out vampr. and while we're on the subject of Aeris btw, anyone know how to get the white materia that she drops? or is that the same W-Materia that you get at the battleplace at the gold saucer?

they talk about that later when they return to the city of the ancients later on bergunwhitshisname.  they say it's lost.  don't know why the don't just go for a swim.  that's why they go to the centre of the planet, to seek out holy directly.  err...i think.

Yeah, AFAIK, that's the one 'shining' in the last battle. Not found a way to get to it beforehand

There's an english trailer now I see.

The plot looks like utter hokum, but the action... the graphics... the fighting.... Even if it's impossible to follow/boring as hell, it'll be worth it for the action.

Anyone realize your gonna need a PSP to watch this one, I heard its only gonna be released on the new UMD format that Sony are pushing(you know the next mini-disc).  I'll stand corrected if anyone else has newer info?

CU Krestel

I'd heard general movie release. Originally it was going to be exclusive to 'a sony console' but they scrapped that, showing it at 'proper' film festivals etc.

Thanks Dribs, I just like slinging shit at sony thats one less piece of ammo i can use :)

CU Krestel

 that's a relief. I'd hate to have to watch 1/2 the film, wait for the battery to recharge and then watch the other half ;)

   Steve

any news on a release date yet?

Link: no time soon....................:(

FF8 was still the best, though.

I only got as far as the last fight on Disc two (Seifer and Edea) of FF8.

What happened next?

It got worse, becoming the shittiest in the series.

Ahem. Sorry.

The best Sony thing to use at the moment is the news that they've overexpanded - if it wasn't for revenue from their film wing (which is unreliable at best) they'd be practically bust!

'It got worse, becoming the shittiest in the series.'

Oh dear.  It's started already, has it, Dribs?  The studenty delusion that knocking a work of genius somehow makes you 'cool' (as you crazy kids call it nowadays).  Well it's NOT cool.  Smoking's not cool and neither is throwing your life away on nothing.  Tell me - what are you rebelling against, huh?

(etc...)

Hehehe.
 
  No, seriously, FF8 was just boring and stupid. Nine was pretty fun, ten was good but linear and seven WAS a work of genius.

Deluded.  That's all I can say about that statement.
FF8 was wrapped up neatly by the time it ended (took about an hour for it to finish, if I recall correctly), whilst the rest offer no finality for all the bloody hours you've just put in - that's why FF7 can get away with a sequel movie, because of how ambiguous the ending was (and why FFX could have a sequel game, depressing, linear heap that it was).
I'll grant you the battle system was poor in comparison to the others, but the world was more interesting, and the story more compelling, than any of the other games.

Apart from that, I can only offer this: to each their own.

Many times I've reached this point with FFX or VIII fans. I think you have the right idea - agree to disagree. I'll just say that the plot of FF7 ended perfectly well, the sequel being a little forced story-wise. Not to say it won't be a hell of a ride. I didn't enjoy 8 because I didn't connect with any of the characvters, the battle system was a HUGE step down from the wonderful materia system, and the  plot was crummy. Especially the 'twist' where they ALL grew up together!!

WTF mate?

Anyhoo, yes... Agree to disagree

Uh, hello? I asked for the plot, not your opinions. WHAT HAPPENED. And mini-Squall was cool.

Oh god, Krusti... life's too short to explain a Final Fantasy plot in every detail, even in condensed form.  Read the walkthrough on gamefaqs.com if you want it explained in possibly more detail than is healthy.

Dribs - can we at least agree that Final Fantasy Tactics was complete shit?

Yep, on that we agree.

Krusty - Time compression, twatting about, Ultimicia...

The heroes win, Squall doesn't die. None of the goodies do in fact.

Deluded...absolutely deluded

while ff7 is a great game in its own right ff6 is the greatest ff game

What was the Lunatic Pandora?

Another big flying building

A big, shiny monolith-type thingy that you had to attack with your flying houseboat shaped like a lion.
I liked FF8 because of its realism.

But Laguna, Kiros, and Ward were the best characters since the Turks. I'd have liked to see ff8 based entirely around them, rather than that whiney goth Squall.

Heh - Major Necro-post (and off topic too!)

From Edge-Online

"The new titles will be joined by the Japanese release of Final Fantasy: Advent Children for the PSP. Often considered to be a sequel to Final Fantasy VII, the project was recently revealed as a full length CGI movie produced by Square-Enix, now scheduled for a straight-to-video PSP release."

   Steve

Gotta get me one a those PSPs.

Oh yes.

Heh, I'm waiting for them to release a battery that lasts longer than 6 hours maximum. I'll stick with my DS until then (Mmm, touchscreeny)

Although the PSP is sexy, and you can watch porn on it...

Amazon reckon they're going to be ?180 though 8|

   Steve