sounds like a story from a comic; a convicted paedophile- an ex teacher who had plied some of his pupils with drink then assaulted them- was found dead in an edinburgh back green with his legs chopped off.
I can imagine judge dredd saying 'justice it might be, legal it aint!' personally I think the guy got what was coming to him. anyone agree?
Well I'm not sure. What do we do with the leg choppers? Presumably they are dangerous murdering psychopaths with a penchant for torture and mutilation. Events might have made them that way, indeed, any concept of human development that acknowledges causality requires that the characteristics of people are made, or are inherent, or a combination of both. This is not to say that there are not bad acts and bad people, but once we go down that road we need to rethink our attitude to crime, punishment and the position of deviant people in society.
No, I don't agree. It's an appalling response to an appalling crime & I hope that the people who did it are found, tried and sentenced for what they've done.
Justice this wasn't.
aye with the later two here, as a mom, and woman... yeah sure i'd love to chop the fuck up of anyone who's wrong me , or so much as looks at my girls the wrong way... however, that would just make me as bad as all the evil maggots out there. Theres other ways to deal with them, & i sure as hell ain't getting into an in depth one on this board about it.
Totally agree Bou. I was seriously assaulted some years ago and am still dealing with the consequences today. The 'gentleman' got off as the police mucked up. You would not beleive the number of people that offered to make him regret his actions. I said then that if I went down that road i would be no better than him and will continue saying it.
too right sister. Its nice to know theres folks around for you who will protect, defend or bash heads for you. but someones gotta take a moral high somewhere along the line or who the hell are we & whats the point.
woah..just a minute admin man..just because its easy not to feel sympathy for the victim in this case doesnt alter the fact that somewhere out there is running free a murdering mutilating psychopath..I'd be very afraid
i know its not right, but i'd probably want do something similar if it happened to my kids.
You may want to do some thing similar but would you? That's what seperates us from the people who do this. I must admit to really, really, really wanting to see him hurt very badly maybe even six feet under but I diddn't because that would be stooping to his level and i am a great beleiver in 'what goes around comes around'
kIlL thhe pEeDO scKum !
Well, I'd hate to have been mistaken by this guy.
yes, which is one reason i cant condone this or support the death penalty, no margin for error.
i hope the guy's having red hot pokers rammed up his arse in the depths of hell, but i can't condone one violent crime as justice for another. But i understand why some people might, as well as one who has never been affacted by it can.
I'd also say that someone who could cut someone's legs off because they felt morally outraged, could probably also do the same to someone else they felt a bit hostile too. All round a cause for worry.
i don't think the adverage person on the street goes around cutting peoples legs off, i'm guessing the leg cutter isn't quite right in the head, but sees what they have done as the right thing.
Legs just say if the story is true, then knee won't be around to do any more harm(string).
Out of interest, which newspaper was this in, administrator?
Ive read a small piece on it in todays Metro, which says there is currently no evidence to link the crime with the victims criminal past.
Which makes this even scarier.
So was he murdered and chopped up or chopped up and left to die?
Gruesome either way.
It also sounds premeditated (whatever the reasons- revenge, mistaken identity, fun) and if you can plan to cut somebody's legs off I think you'd have to be *very* closely connected to the person being avenged and extremely cross. Either that, or just a bit mental and looking for an excuse to chop somebody up.
That said, I could see myself killing somebody in a spur of the moment fit of rage if they'd hurt my loved ones- but chopping their legs off? It's not exactly spur of the moment, is it?
What if the guy was killed for no other reason than being in the wrong place at the wrong time?
The person killing him could have had no idea of his past and had targeted him for completely different - probably random - reasons. His past is being brought up to find a reason for the murder.
So we have an individual or individuals who have no qualms about killing a man and chopping him up? I've worked a farmstead and slaughtering a sheep was traumatic enough, let alone chopping it up.
Takes a true psychopath to do that, and strangely they aren't "hero" material.
Opps.
By "that" I mean kill and chop up a man; not chop up a sheep.
That's not a psychopath that's a butcher...
or is that an industrial mincing machine? I get the two mixed up.
There is never ever an excuse for killing someone, for me, it is the ultimate crime, taking away someones existence, taking away that person, someones loved one or friend, there is never any excuse, even if he was a paedophile, it's not an excuse. Even if he was a pervert or monster, that is not justice in my book. Justice is locking someone up, letting their own sins eat them up.
He didn't deserve that - having the living shit beaten out of him, yes but not being mutilated and killed.
Steve
To be honiest I know bugger all about the background to what happened so saying "he got what was coming to him" is abit off the mark as I can't make a judgement as I don't know all the details.
Still your right about Dredd..."No one takes the law into their own hands!".
This is all a bit too close to Huff Towers. i walk one of my sons to school down the street next to the one he was found in and my other Juve attends the school he taught at.
A couple o problems: one, there is the possiblity of a man (most likey) walking around our neibourhood who has cut someone into six bit and stuff some into a bin and and shallow graved the rest. ( but the police say they are holding someone for it)
The other is a rumour circulating that I wouldn't be writing on the net. Lets just say the Juve at school's been well warned, but what if the chopper guy starts working on the strength of rumours?
Strange days indeed
Huff
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There's good in everyone just as there's bad in everyone.
Nobody has the right to take someone else's life.
I've known two people accused of this.
One was a Minister, who happened to be gay, and some idiots confused this with being a peadophile.
So they beat him with sticks until he was dead.
The other guy killed himself.
So excuse me if I don't consider what happened to be justice.
I follow the bulk of the boarders here who feel that two wrongs don't make a right.
Yes I do have kids and hate to think how I would feel if such a thing happened to them, but the action taken in this case does not right that wrong.
And it still could mean that there is someone else just as twisted out there.
shit huffy, thats scary crap for your kids & community.
i wish the law would sit down & get its act together on a lot of issues, so communities werent faced with these fears & sick murdering loon jobs didnt have 'moral outrage' to pin their sickness onto.
i spend 20 years wanting to maim nastily someone for good reason, faced them 3 summers ago when they turned up at an event, looked this guy straight in eye & thought "you ain't even worth swearing at or a slap maggot-man, you know what you done & you are burninggggg ", he spent the next 3 hours sat in a corner looking miserable as hell, i carried on enjoying myself at event, & i felt justice had been done, time & guilt can do more that couldve been achieved if i'd set the boys onto him.
re paedies in community, it sucks, we got one, think the mums who've terrified their kids to not go out & play have done more damage that he's ever had a chance to, but wish he'd f*ck off to someone elses back yard. bizarrely enough one day i saw him & said to my car-passenger, i'd love it if he had a house fire & i could get in & find some real evidence on him... a week later he did, ( no arson, just un-swept chimney overspill) but his 'friend' was watching me like a hawk while i barked commands & had the living room furniture turned out & carpet etc... yes there was photos of kids everywhere.. but maybe he has lots of neicies & newphews? i coulnt get upstairs or nowt for real evidence. need to summonse i bigger fire next time...
non chopping vigilante Bou.
A good friend of mine e-mailed me today.
He lives round the corner from where this dismembered body was found, and he's bloody terrified, as are all his neighbours.
This isn't justice.
It's simply a new, horrific crime.
- Trout
So you got yourself a gen-yoo-ine one-hunnerd-per-cent paedophile within your community then, Bou?
Sifting through his burnt possessions to root out "evidence"...?
As other posts have pointed out, mistaken identities and wrong conclusions happen in this fragile department all the time - I take it you have this as firm, compulsory advice from the local authorities?
Bou, if you haven't got a killfile in action, just step away from that one.
- Trout
The person to blame is probably in a cryogenic chamber anyway.
Well that says it all, doesn't it?
In no way justice.
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Lord!
Musta been bored after HART TO HART finished!
you could say justice has been done----
but does it balance up??
should the punishment not fit the crime??
is death and the loss of 2 legs fitting for his past crimes??
Not justice no one deserves that not even scum like him
Why Dredd has a word on this very topic in this months' meg..."No, the day we start treating life as cheaply as scum like him, we put oursleves on his level..."
A true vitue of this country.
"Chop their hands/feet/balls off in public!" people shout, "like they do in Saudi Arabia!" etc.
Imagine that here?
Though on the other side of the coin, if I was or was related to or friends with a victim of serious, deviant crime... I may well bring sandwiches and watch such an event with eagerness.
And has anybody noted that, if this was a revenge crime, last year a paediatrician was getting death threats and paint thrown over his house by people too dumb to tell the difference.
>last year a paediatrician was getting death
>threats
Yeah, that instantly sprang to mind when I read the article...
Steve
And the cause of such knee-jerk, reactionary stupidity?
"Red-top" newspapers - favoured by idiots and criminals - encouraging potential lynch-mobs and bored single mothers to "be on their guard" in their neighbourhood and fuelling malicious distrust among the easily led and feeble minded.
To put an end to these papers is to take away a significant source of scum-mentality in this country, and all we need to do is stop buying them.
Kin we chop up Murdoch? Kin we pa? Kin we?
i did have some valid points to make... but stepping awayyyy from the thread would seem sensible.
sadly i forget the actual stats from the child protection etc type courses ive attended, but its sommat like 98& of abuse etc is from people 'known' to the victim, one in 'very small number' has suffered some kind of this shit. It is not on the increase, its just more reported. whats more scary? having uncle bob being an abusing scum-f*cker perv or uncle bob being an axe murderer?
but what would i know being a bored single mum.
fully scottish criminal records office checked & approved ; regions child protection policy signed up; qualified teacher & counsellor bored single mum , i've probably have no idea what i'm talking about & must remember in future to step awayyyy from the thread.
for gods sake someone restrain me quicklyyyyyyy
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being a single parent & bored is a contradiction in terms you ingnorant bigotted narrow minded shit stirring little orc......
nyayrrghghghg muffffffeeeleeeeeekkkkk arrghghghgmmm mmmmmm mmmmm
Uncle Bob is probably neither of the above and trying to live quite peacefully with Mrs Uncle Bob, if the finger-pointing lynch-mobs would just let him.
The recent frenzy over child-protection in the self-serving press has overstimulated many people into paranoic states.
It may do you well to be informed of who is living in your vicinity, but a level head is also very important.
its all a bit not im my back yard isnt it.
whilst he was the scum of the earth the fact that it was done causes concern.
two camps for me. one as a father, i dont think he suffered enough.
but as a man who believes in the justice system, i wish he had been caught and tried for his actions. ( though after which should something befall him in prison, i would be likely to ask for clemncy for the convict who did it too him.)
double standards but honest answers.
Here in singapore.for sucha crime.
mimium 10 storkes of the ratan cane,then
solitary confinement, rice and water minimum nutrients vitamins and a dark cell 23.5 hours a day 4ft by 5.ft they say. between 8-18 years detention. chemical castration after release.
it is also said they sometimes leave the lights on for a couple of weeks in the cell, non stop.
if child is physically injured in terms of actaul sexaul assault. it can be the death penalty. or life to mean until you die.
no jury trails in singapore. and if you disagree and appeal. if you lose they put 20%+ on top of your sentance for wasting the courts time.
So, under your system, a prisoner, probably already convicted of a violent crime, would be given clemency if he committed another?
I'm sorry, that is no justice system.
generally contrary.i stated myself
double standards but honest answers
i agree with you i admit my weakness in such matters towards such scum,
though i honestly think the singapore method method for such things works. it at least makes the offender live a life he/she deserves.
I don't agree with a justice system based on revenge.
I might agree with such harsh measures if they had a deterrent effect. However, brutal methods like these are usually proposed on the grounds that the offenders are driven by uncontrollable perveted lusts. If that is the case, then no deterrent effect is possible. And in such a case, all the cruelty of the system is there solely to satisfy the violent lusts of the population.
all the cruelty of the system is there solely to satisfy the violent lusts of the population.
At the risk of trivialising a serious subject, isn't it about time we had motorbike cyborg deathsport for this sort of thing?
The Five (err, Six) Nations starts on Saturday...
Or there is always crazee Japanese K-1 fighting.
Link: What is K-1?
Kin we chop up Murdoch? Kin we pa? Kin we?
Hold on thur, boy! Ma bestest buddy Murdoch is a'gonna be a'helpin' ma fav'rit doggie Tony ta rip th' balls from th' BBC! Dang tootin'!
That'll lurn them high falutin' no good hippy pinkos ta be a'badmouthin' ma good ol' war! Whee doogie!
For those who've been supportive of this can I just point out how tough the human body is and ho much time and effort would have to go in to cutting off someones limbs? That is not the action of a rational person, and certainly not something you should be supporting.
wherever you stand on the treatment of sex offenders, and personally i think they should be permanently detained in secure hospitals. Quatering someone ois not the kind of community initative we need,
Jim
A chainsaw would take them both off in about 2 minutes.
Noisy, though.
Yeah because a normal perosn ccould hack through one seeing the bllod and flayed muc=scle and hearing the crack of the bone and then doing the second.
I've always felt that in cases at court where a call of self defence is used for stabbings, jurors should have to force a knife into a carcass roughly the same size shapoe as a humans, that way we'll stop seeing people who have stabbed others half a dozen times getting off on self defence.
Jim
Was he still alive when they/he/she? commenced chopping him up?
Another gorehound!
I like it!
it not hard you know,
what has not been stated. for many reasons.by the police or the papers.to do this.
you have to be a professionally trained meat cutter
most chefs are,all butchers of course.
you just need a very simple and strong kitchen knife and the knowledge where to cut.
its far far simpler then you realise and more about techinque then brute strengh.
I'm taking all this as the professional knowledge of a chef and not a subject you given some thought? :)
I asked about the alive but 'cos if he was then Chesus! But also that points to a number of assailants so a whole host of psychopaths - Joy.
time taken
i would say a professoinal could cut up ( four limbed animal in about 15 minutes.
the size of a dear. if you where not going for a nice profesional finish.
This thread is bonkers!
I've cut up a few dears in my time!