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Title: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: Mangamax on 02 April, 2004, 01:30:25 PM
What's the betting that now he's back as chairman of the BBC, Micheal Grade will cancel Dr Who again as soon as he gets the chance?
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Post by: Priv8eye on 02 April, 2004, 03:42:59 PM
This is exactly what I was thinking on the way to work this morning when I heard the news.

All I can think of is that it is the BBC in its entirety he is in charge of and so may leave things like that to the head of BBC1.
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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 02 April, 2004, 04:06:57 PM
I don't think it would be in his remit. Besides, he had reasons he could argue for the last time. To do so now, with the masses of good publicity surrounding the show would be madness. It would cost a fortune - all those contracts to pay out - and would really shoot himself and the corporation in the foot. Right now they need something to boost popularity and the excitement around the new show is extended to the general public, not just us fanboys.
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Post by: DavidXBrunt on 02 April, 2004, 04:09:09 PM
Also Ecclestton is on Beeb 1 in a minute or two talking about it.
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Post by: Plif on 02 April, 2004, 04:45:27 PM
Shit. Thats the first I heard about it. It probably wont affect the return of the doctor, but as an ongoing concern, Im a little worried now....
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Post by: longmanshort on 02 April, 2004, 04:47:30 PM
He'll be too busy touching his toes and gritting his teeth for another 'round' with the 10 Downing Street press office to notice anything else ...
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Post by: GordonR on 02 April, 2004, 05:00:42 PM
Paranoia reigns supreme here, I think.

Grade was controller of BBC1 then - it was his job then to make decisions on axing or commissioning BBC1 shows.  Now he's Chairman of the entire BBC, way above the level of interfering in the daily decision process of specific shows.

If Who fails, it'll be nothing to do with him.  
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: petemaskreplica on 02 April, 2004, 05:04:42 PM
A BBC employee writes:

yup, what Gordon said.
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: GordonR on 02 April, 2004, 05:10:24 PM
You can't tell that to the die-hard Whoies, though, pete.  They're convinced Grade is some kind of evil mastermind whose life is dedicated to destroying the show.

Incidentally, what do you do at the beeb?
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Post by: longmanshort on 02 April, 2004, 05:13:12 PM
He works in the department responsible for kidnapping children and forcing them to sit in the audience on the Beeb's Saturday morning programmes ...
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Post by: Trout on 02 April, 2004, 05:15:47 PM
I can take Grade's point on Dr Who, although I was less than happy at the time.

On Room 101, he said he cancelled the programme because it was shit, at the time.

Now, it doesn't look shit. It looks good, even if they do cast Billie Piper.

It's also a limited run.

It may be stating the obvious, but the viewing figures and, to some extent, critical reaction, will be the make-or-break factors.

Even if Grade does have the power to cancel it and we know he won't have - there's no way he would want to if it's a success.

- Trout
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: petemaskreplica on 02 April, 2004, 05:16:09 PM
I'm in charge of making sure the crew working on the new Dr Who drink plenty of fluids to aid their pissing on the memories of disgruntled Who fans. BWAH-HA-HA-HAAA!

ahem. I work in the Beeb's music library. That's sheet music, before anyone gets any clever ideas about bombarding me with questions about recordings. And nothing whatsoever to do with Dr Who. Got that? NOTHING.
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: Trout on 02 April, 2004, 05:19:39 PM
I can exclusively reveal that Petemaskreplica is 96 years old, and has dust and cobwebs in his entirely grey hair.

He's a wizened little man who sits in a tiny, filthy office, surrounded by sheet music, and is still amazed that no-one at the Beeb has realised he's managed to get internet access.

If anyone comes in asking for sheet music, he tells them to fuck off.

Except that band leader guy who used to do Wogan.

And Three Poofs and a Piano.

- Trout
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Post by: Generally Contrary on 02 April, 2004, 05:20:31 PM
Grade will be playing The Master then, surely?
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Post by: GordonR on 02 April, 2004, 05:23:20 PM
With a guest appearance by John Birt as Davros.

Was it Dennis Potter who once called Birt a dalek?
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Post by: Dudley on 02 April, 2004, 05:54:29 PM
"A croak-voiced Dalek", as I recall.
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Post by: Art on 02 April, 2004, 05:57:06 PM
What IS the correct musical annotation for a bloopy synth and a theremin going eeeeOOOOeeeeOOOOeee then?
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Post by: Trout on 02 April, 2004, 06:38:31 PM
Fact: The Dr Who theme was created when a flu-addled member of staff in the BBC Radiophonic Workshop sneezed on the sheet music for the theme to Dixon of Dock Green.

- Trout
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Post by: starscape on 02 April, 2004, 10:07:42 PM
Heard Christopher Eccleston say he wants to play the Doctor with humour and love interest.  AAAAGGGHHH NO!  Play him with fear, malice and a general disdain for his assistants.
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Post by: VampiraJen on 02 April, 2004, 10:14:29 PM
mystery!  that's what i liked about him, you were never quite sure about him and whether he was always do the right thing.  i don't want the love thing, that's boring, that's not what doctor who was about.   aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: pauljholden on 03 April, 2004, 01:05:36 AM
Cought the tale end of 'pm' on radio 4, the last question the interviewer asked was 'are you going to cancel Dr Who again?". Grade laughed, said that when he cancelled it before the governors had gone mad, but the governors (him included) have no saying in what's commisioned and cancelled and that he was happy  as long as he doesn't have to watch it.

- pj
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: paulvonscott on 03 April, 2004, 01:42:50 AM
I agree with Jen about the mystery thing.  As long as the doctor is a mysterious alien character I'm pretty much happy with whatever they do with the series.  If he's just some bloke - boring.

Then again, i think there's a lot of media courting going on, so I'm not really worried by anything I've heard.  Mention of tabloid trash like Billi Piper certainly gets them in the papers.  These guys ain't dumb.

Also, if Grade cancelled Dr Who again, I suspect he might suffer a Fatwah that would make Salman Rushdie blanch.
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: Thread Zero on 03 April, 2004, 02:13:13 AM
What IS the correct musical annotation for a bloopy synth and a theremin going eeeeOOOOeeeeOOOOeee then?

There's no synths or theremin on the original version - it's all done with tape loops, and there's not any musical annotation for it because Delia Derbyshire worked it out in her head and never wrote it down.

Synths hadn't even been invented in 1963...

Presumably, Ron Grainer used proper musical writin for his orchestral version - but that sounds crap in comparison.
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 03 April, 2004, 02:33:17 AM
Ron Grainer scribbled the notes down and handed it over to Delia to realise. He heard it for the first time and asked 'Did I write that?' There's a great radio play about Delia and the moment where they simulate the looping and creation of the theme is magical.

Any orchestral version Ron may have done was after the Delia one.
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Post by: Richmond Clements on 03 April, 2004, 03:09:06 AM
Eccelstone was interviewed on Brakfast TV this morning.

The video of it is there, if you've got a Real Player.

Link: The doctor speaks.

Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 03 April, 2004, 03:32:42 AM
There's also a transcript of it over at www.gallifreyone.com for those of you in the same technology bracket as me.
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Post by: Art on 03 April, 2004, 04:49:19 PM
Ha ha! I was right. It will be rubbish.
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: Trout on 03 April, 2004, 08:02:29 PM
Sometimes, Art, I wonder who's really the most evil person round here.

It'll be great! Honest!

It will!

It won't have Bertie Bassett in, which is a good start!

- Trout
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: Quirkafleeg on 03 April, 2004, 08:42:38 PM
>It won't have Bertie Bassett in, which is a good start!

Are you sure?
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: petemaskreplica on 03 April, 2004, 09:35:21 PM
"He heard it for the first time and asked 'Did I write that?'"

To which Delia replied, "Most of it..." :)
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Post by: Devons Daddy on 04 April, 2004, 02:51:46 PM
this is terrible
i now have the DR Who them tune in my head. likely it will stay for the rest of the day now.

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Post by: Floyd-the-k on 04 April, 2004, 03:42:32 PM
thanks for the link Dxb. This Billie Piper seems like a warm and wonderful human being.
 Here`s hoping the new Who goes well. No reason why it can`t.

yours nostalgically,

Floyd

ps Devon`s daddy - nummenaman nummernanum, nummernanum...ooooo eeeee oooooo
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: Thread Zero on 06 April, 2004, 02:05:39 AM
Any orchestral version Ron may have done was after the Delia one.

Indeed - it's not by Ron Grainer at all, but Eric Winstone and his Orchestra. It's on the 'Who is Doctor Who' CD along with lots of other stuff that needs to be heard to be believed, including no less than three songs by Frazer Hines (the famous non-singing singer).
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: -=>DEMONIZER<=- on 06 April, 2004, 02:09:05 AM
"This Billie Piper seems like a warm and wonderful human being"

As is her husband.
Title: Re: Dr Who - bad news?
Post by: Mr C on 06 April, 2004, 02:52:00 AM
What's this? Michael Grade, the arch pornographer himself in charge of the Beeb?

Looking forward to the Summer line up then :P

Considering the fact that the writer of the new Who series is the infamous writer of the great Queer as Folk, what does this mean for Chris Eccleston's interest in giving the Doctor a lovelife?
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Post by: Adrian Bamforth on 06 April, 2004, 02:55:40 AM
The return of Doctor Who was in fact just a ploy to lure Grade back to the BBC so he can scrap it.

ADE