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Not defending the Stallone debacle, but John Wagner and Alan Grant were commissioned by Ed Pressman to write a treatment for the movie in late 1991, which they spent six weeks on, only to demand payment upfront for it, which was totally ridiculous, you did not get paid upfront for a mere story outline treatment in 1991/2 unless you're name was Shane Black, Michael Crichton, or Joe Ezsterhas, and Wagner and Grant should have been aware of that fact, and because they wouldn't back down over payment, that treatment didn't go any further in the development process, alas...

Hmmm....

Harlan Ellison - PAY THE WRITER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE

Heh... That's an awesome rant.. But true, and not just limited to writers, which is why these days I've become somewhat of a mercenary. Done one too many jobs for 'contacts' or 'my portfolio' that in fact only ended up furthering other peoples careers leaving me exactly where I was.. Well, frankly, screw that, and good for Wagner and Grant.

I couldn't agree more. In many cases, not all, when you are told something is a good opportunity...it's really only an opportunity for them to get something for nothing from you. Look for the clip with Elison and Robin Williams...amazing insight into the motivations of L Ron Hubbard.

Did someone say 'prosthetic chin'?

Hmm...but the more I look at that, the more I think I see it.

And people wonder why Alan Moore disassociates himself with films based on his books...2000AD should have done that with Stallone - although it would have made no difference, I guess.

If Judge Dredd had been a creator-owned property, Wagner would have nixed that project at the first draft screenplay stage, rather than having to wait until shooting started until he had the opportunity to tell Danny Cannon he was "shooting the wrong fucking script".

If Mills and Wagner's unsuccessful bid to buy out 2000ad from IPC had been successful, the man who created Dredd might have been able to exert the same influence over the film adapatations of his work as JK Rowling did over the Potter books.

Huh...hadn't thought about it that way or heard that story.

[spoiler]Stallone Dredd fee: $15 million.[/spoiler] I'm sure he regrets the mess he made of a great character.

His 30 pieces of silver.

Oh...you know it dawned on me over dinner that this might be the point you were making. Nope. Didn't intend 2 trip wires by posting a shopped image, I'm new to the problems that troll twat has caused. Check the links I posted, you might know BT's wrk in animation etc.

I was only kidding.

One of the commentators somewhere said (un-ironically, I think) that they should have cast Billy Bob Thornton for his chin. While my initial reaction was "????!!!" they actually kinda have a point: he has the strong chin and pouty lips of an early Ezquerra or McMahon Dredd.

Good actor...but boy would I hate Thornton as a choice. I firmly believe Urban is the best possible choice today. Terrific  actor, not a primadonna megastar...great at physical scenes, fights, weapons...he's lean, not a muscle-head. He is something of a chameleon.

But if Carlos Ezquerra were directing a Dredd I think we'd need a dubbed Danny Trejo.

I think this film will do more than well in the rest of the world than the states. The US is stilla massive market but so now is Europe and Asia,Russia,Oz etc...and I think they have a better chanc of acepting this new Dredd over Sly more than the yanks.
And the lawmaster,my last reservation.....*holds hand up* my favouritest bit of the trailer,as a biker that is pure porn to me,unsure at first now i want to lick it exhaust pipes.

I'm thinking of that list of prices that used to be on the cover...the various currencies of the world. DREDD has fans in all those places. And it'll do well in the US because of the comic-con crowd. Seems comics are now cool in a way they never used to be. Then theirs Karl Urban's many female fans. This film will do very very  well I think. I'm planning to see it twice on day one if possible.

Did someone say 'prosthetic chin'?

Hilarious! ...chinny chin chin

Did someone say 'prosthetic chin'?

Hilarious!!!

[very]

Sorry if this is sacreligeous but I really don't like the 'classic' Lawmaster from the comics. It's bulky, blocky and square looking. All angles and bits stuck on randomly. It's one of the things that stick out like a sore thumb as an anachronism in the modern Dredd strip.

Nah, you're right; Ezquerra, Dillon and Mike McMahon are the most prominent names on a very small list of artists who can make that incredibly tricksy design look good. I was looking forward to what both films could do to come up with an elegant design solution to this age old problem, but both of them have fudged it (in different ways). This film's bike does look fine in the trailer, though; and to see it moving at such very impressive speed- after Stallone's feeble mobility scooter- is a joy in itself.

This bike will do fine for me, for this particular film.

I have to agree...I was always in denial about the bike. Early in the progs there was a cracking sleek- looking machine posted, diagrammatic...LAWMASTER MK1 I think, after that it was a boxy tank. Horrible really. As Steve Green said, McMahon did it best, it had bounce, seemed light ...amazing really. But again bravo to Minty for bringing the box to life. I'm dimly aware of the Dillon bike, werewolf story, loved it. I really liked Dillon...went on to read Pressbutton by him...I'm sure his bike was great. It's true what someone said earlier...a pimped out Harley would have worked...still think T2 channelled Dredd...Terminator on a fatboy...hmm

Best Lawsmaster artwork in Dredd comics always this by Greg Staples! What an action!

Beautiful play.

With regards to the prosthetic chin debate, . . . mould this beauty for DREDD2! 

I'm mixing up some plaster now!

No. I don't think he's ever used any pseudonyms either. How so?

Our resident troll Sc*j* has a habit of doing photoshop pictures like this.

Oh...you know it dawned on me over dinner that this might be the point you were making. Nope. Didn't intend 2 trip wires by posting a shopped image, I'm new to the problems that troll twat has caused. Check the links I posted, you might know BT's wrk in animation etc.

Alright, been holding this back WAY too long, ANDERSON COOPER, 2 last names, ok, fine, what are his 2 first names???

Think my avatar winks freak me out on my iPad!

They are unsettling.